I have the LG 4x for some time now and i am wondering how to go about with it. I have certain questions, maybe knowledgeable people can answer them.
-I bought the phone with the German 10c firmware. I am now thinking of applying the European 10h one. When i click "software update" from the phone, it says no update available. When i click it from the LG pc suite, it says, the 10h is available, but does not give more information on which 10h it is. I also have downloaded the firmware from the internet, so i am wondering which is the safest, easiest, most certain procedure, to apply the updated firmware. I still have not rooted my phone. And what i have not figured out yet, is, DOES UPDATING THE FIRMWARE MEAN FACTORY RESET? Or is it more like a software update, where it just updates things needed to be updated, not touching anything else?
-Is it possible, if i root the phone, to unroot it, using a reverse procedure? You know, if the need for using the warranty arises.
-It really bothers me, the new type of file system with this android version. I ve been using the 2.3 before i got the phone, which requires, just a backup with clockworkmod and a copy of the external sd and you re done. Now, i don't know which is the best method to backup my phone. ALL apps, except for a couply of offline maps apps, install in the INTERNAL memory of the phone, all game data, etc, which has nearly filled half my phones internal memory so far. I understand that the only solutions to this, are root, and Directory Bind, and one other app i don't recall the name now. So, thats two reasons to root the phone, moving apps to sd, and using Titanium Backup with root, for backup. So the question is, what other option do i have for backup, WITHOUT root?
Everything else works great, good hardware on this phone!
ZTEBlade0 said:
I have the LG 4x for some time now and i am wondering how to go about with it. I have certain questions, maybe knowledgeable people can answer them.
-I bought the phone with the German 10c firmware. I am now thinking of applying the European 10h one. When i click "software update" from the phone, it says no update available. When i click it from the LG pc suite, it says, the 10h is available, but does not give more information on which 10h it is. I also have downloaded the firmware from the internet, so i am wondering which is the safest, easiest, most certain procedure, to apply the updated firmware. I still have not rooted my phone. And what i have not figured out yet, is, DOES UPDATING THE FIRMWARE MEAN FACTORY RESET? Or is it more like a software update, where it just updates things needed to be updated, not touching anything else?
-Is it possible, if i root the phone, to unroot it, using a reverse procedure? You know, if the need for using the warranty arises.
-It really bothers me, the new type of file system with this android version. I ve been using the 2.3 before i got the phone, which requires, just a backup with clockworkmod and a copy of the external sd and you re done. Now, i don't know which is the best method to backup my phone. ALL apps, except for a couply of offline maps apps, install in the INTERNAL memory of the phone, all game data, etc, which has bearly filled half my phones internal memory so far. I understand that the only solutions to this, are root, and Directory Bind, and one other app i don't recall the name now. So, thats two reasons to root the phone, moving apps to sd, and using Titanium Backup with root, for backup. So the question is, what other option do i have for backup, WITHOUT root?
Everything else works great, good hardware on this phone!
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All of your question was answered. don't be lazy
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All of your question was answered. don't be lazy
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Maybe they have been answered at some post in some thread, but i have no way of finding the exact post!
Why dont you help a fellow smartphoner and answer me here, if you know the answer?
1 - if you update via official SW it maybe leave data untouched and only update system
2- to unroot just reflash SW (via lgflashtool for example)
3- LGs backup app...
Maybe they have been answered at some post in some thread, but i have no way of finding the exact post!
Why dont you help a fellow smartphoner and answer me here, if you know the answer?
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You have a search feature in the forum, which you can use.
And the reason some of us don't answer questions that have been repeatedly asked and answered is that, if we do, we say that it's OK to open a thread to ask a question that's easilly answered.
But I'll do you a bit of a favor: I'll tell you WHERE you can find the information, and I'll even answer one of the questions (the last) since, regardless of having seen it asked and answered a few times before, I'm not able to direct you to the right place where this sort of question has been asked and answered.
ZTEBlade0 said:
I have the LG 4x for some time now and i am wondering how to go about with it. I have certain questions, maybe knowledgeable people can answer them.
-I bought the phone with the German 10c firmware. I am now thinking of applying the European 10h one. When i click "software update" from the phone, it says no update available. When i click it from the LG pc suite, it says, the 10h is available, but does not give more information on which 10h it is. I also have downloaded the firmware from the internet, so i am wondering which is the safest, easiest, most certain procedure, to apply the updated firmware. I still have not rooted my phone. And what i have not figured out yet, is, DOES UPDATING THE FIRMWARE MEAN FACTORY RESET? Or is it more like a software update, where it just updates things needed to be updated, not touching anything else?
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If you want to update it through flashing the .kdz, you should find that information in the respective thread, as it not only refers the correct method, but also the consequences.
ZTEBlade0 said:
-Is it possible, if i root the phone, to unroot it, using a reverse procedure? You know, if the need for using the warranty arises.
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This information can be found, as it turns out, in the two possible threads for rooting the LG 4X (one for ICS and one for JB). I'll give you a bit more help, as the threads aren't in the same sub-forum - the one for JB is in the General Forum, the one for ICS is in the Development Forum.
ZTEBlade0 said:
-It really bothers me, the new type of file system with this android version. I ve been using the 2.3 before i got the phone, which requires, just a backup with clockworkmod and a copy of the external sd and you re done. Now, i don't know which is the best method to backup my phone. ALL apps, except for a couply of offline maps apps, install in the INTERNAL memory of the phone, all game data, etc, which has nearly filled half my phones internal memory so far. I understand that the only solutions to this, are root, and Directory Bind, and one other app i don't recall the name now. So, thats two reasons to root the phone, moving apps to sd, and using Titanium Backup with root, for backup. So the question is, what other option do i have for backup, WITHOUT root?
Everything else works great, good hardware on this phone!
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Most backup programs don't care where you've installed your apps. That said, if you don't want to root your mobile, the only option you have is the LG Backup app. I'm not sure if it saves and recovers every bit of data (meaning the saves of your games and other information you may have configured into your apps), but it's your best bet for a root-less 4X.
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1 - if you update via official SW it maybe leave data untouched and only update system
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It "MAY" leave data untouched??? In computers, this word is not supposed to be used, either it WILL, or it will NOT. So you re telling me it will be an unstable procedure if i update via the official Software?
skryptus said:
Most backup programs don't care where you've installed your apps. That said, if you don't want to root your mobile, the only option you have is the LG Backup app. I'm not sure if it saves and recovers every bit of data (meaning the saves of your games and other information you may have configured into your apps), but it's your best bet for a root-less 4X.
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Great. So you re saying too, that the only backup option a non rooted user has is not even to be trusted. If it will not save apps data, its useless then. What am i supposed to do, play all games over again?
No, i used maybe , because i only flashing via LG flash tool and it erase all data ... but i THINK official update MAY leave data ( like on xperias phones)
its hard to root it, make complete backup and then flash it ? if answer is yes, dont go to upgrade...
mmm273 said:
No, i used maybe , because i only flashing via LG flash tool and it erase all data ... but i THINK official update MAY leave data ( like on xperias phones)
its hard to root it, make complete backup and then flash it ? if answer is yes, dont go to upgrade...
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No, if there is a procedure, i ll follow it and root it, i am just thinking, that i read that 4.1 will have a DIFFERENT rooting procedure, so i was thinking to wait, upgrade to 4.1 and THEN root it.
I am now backing up for the first time from within the phone app, see how it goes.
ZTEBlade0 said:
I am now backing up for the first time from within the phone app, see how it goes.
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Well, the backup is over, just about 1.3gb. Strange, the internal memory is full up to about 6.5gb. I don't understand WHAT exactly it backed up! It said it will back up "app data", along with other stuff (contacts, call log, etc.). I have no idea what it backed up from the Apps. Left more confused than before!
maybe that backup is justl ike you backup via CWM - backup system and data, and this lg backup tool make data backup... so you backup all of your internal storage to PC (before that make backup of contants and messages) try update , and after that run restore ...
or you can root, backup, flash, root again, restore...
ZTEBlade0 said:
It "MAY" leave data untouched??? In computers, this word is not supposed to be used, either it WILL, or it will NOT. So you re telling me it will be an unstable procedure if i update via the official Software?
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Official method leaves stuff untouched. It warns you it will erase the data, but from what I've heard, it doesn't. Although, everyone is advising for you to do a factory format after you update it, as it solves a lot of slowdowns and other possible incompatibility problems.
Great. So you re saying too, that the only backup option a non rooted user has is not even to be trusted. If it will not save apps data, its useless then. What am i supposed to do, play all games over again?
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Please stop putting words into other people's mouths. I said I'm not sure. I myself haven't used the app. Other users have been mentioned having used it (but then again you'd know that if you went to the trouble of looking around a bit), so I think it would be a viable alternative, but I won't vouch for it and/or its abilities because I have no experience with it.
Point is, if you don't want to use root, you lose the ability of writing into the /data folders (and some times even correctly reading from it). If LG, by some bending of those rules, made it so you can, count yourself lucky. If they didn't, you can't really blame them - it's Google's OS (who IMO should have come up with a decent Backup solution a long time ago).
mmm273 said:
maybe that backup is justl ike you backup via CWM - backup system and data, and this lg backup tool make data backup... so you backup all of your internal storage to PC (before that make backup of contants and messages) try update , and after that run restore ...
or you can root, backup, flash, root again, restore...
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I did a backup using the LG app. So it said it backs up "application data, contacts, etc". Ok. The size is just 1.8gb. The used space in internal memory is 9gb. So i don't understand WHAT exactly it backed up from the applications. Everything EXCEPT for the "sd data" of games?
So i would do a firmware update, then a factory reset, to have the new firmware installed, CLEAN, then restore my backup. Right? So after the factory reset, it will have wiped ALL applications, deleted them from the internal memory? Is that correct? So i would use the 1.8gb restore, and what will it give me from my 9+gb applications (games, etc) that i have now?
Or, do i have to COPY all "sd data" files from the internal memory to PC, and restore the 1.8gb backup AND re-copy the "sd data" files of games and applications, back to internal memory?
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I could search through the whole forum but maybe is a guide on it's place here.
Is there a way to backup all things except the installed Rom and Kernel, and maybe the launcher?
So smsses, applications and it's settings, keyboards etc.
Purpose: being able to install clean CM and applying a kernel and after that restoring all my applications, smss's etc...
Thanks for taking the time to explain this!
J
Why don't you just reflash new ROM without wipe? All you data you want stays and you have new rom.
I want to make sure nothing old remains. Why do they advise to do a wipe anyway?
wrong section but titanium backup should do the trick
huuub said:
I want to make sure nothing old remains. Why do they advise to do a wipe anyway?
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To ensure that no remnants of the previous Rom/kernel remain. If you notice weird behavior wipe is advisable
With other words it is unclear. That is why I want to do that.
Now I have Tit. backup on my device, however never really used it. (I bet 90% of the people don't). So my question remains. A little guide to be fool proof to do this.
huuub said:
With other words it is unclear. That is why I want to do that.
Now I have Tit. backup on my device, however never really used it. (I bet 90% of the people don't). So my question remains. A little guide to be fool proof to do this.
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It's very easy. If you are using Titanium (the paid version) go into the app and press the backup all apps + data option. This will copy everything. Once you wipe and reinstall a ROM go back into Titanium and press restore all apps +data. Pretty much simple as that
Thanks man!!! That indeed is not to difficult!
Hi, when i try to send a text to multiple people with one text message, I'm only allowed to send to 10 people max, is there a way to get rid of this?
Cheers.
Check this thread here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1371755
I believe this could be a limitation of the ROM or the service you are using. Search the developer forum for a ROM that gets past this limit and check with your phone service provider (I read somewhere that Verizon has this limit, but can't vouch for that as I am in different country)
thanks, but I am new to this whole android world, this is my first android coming from a nokia n900.
I have been reading, but it seems I need to root my phone which is now difficult because as soon as I received the phone i updated it and now have the kernel LA6 instead of original LA4 which is more difficult to root.
As for the thread you provided matius44, does the .apk file only work with ics roms or can one install it with just a rooted GB rom.
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Just so I can be sure, I do want to root, but I'm slightly confused, is it correct in saying that I need to downgrade the fw and kernel to an older stock rootable rom then root the phone? or is this wrong?
Yes- have a look at the developer forum - there are details here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1329360
and here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1424997
Dr Ketan is the man!
salespalace said:
thanks, but I am new to this whole android world, this is my first android coming from a nokia n900.
I have been reading, but it seems I need to root my phone which is now difficult because as soon as I received the phone i updated it and now have the kernel LA6 instead of original LA4 which is more difficult to root.
As for the thread you provided matius44, does the .apk file only work with ics roms or can one install it with just a rooted GB rom.
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Just so I can be sure, I do want to root, but I'm slightly confused, is it correct in saying that I need to downgrade the fw and kernel to an older stock rootable rom then root the phone? or is this wrong?
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That used to be the case, but there is now an easier way which flashing pre rooted ROMs directly and you're good to go, here is the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1535025
As for the .apk mod, I never tried myself honestly but there are versions for GB and for ICS, any .apk with ZCLP in it's name is for ICS you don't need that, take the other ones
I've tried dr. ketan's way and it didnt work for me, maybe i didnt know what I was doing,
Ill try these pre rooted roms, I just basically flash them to the phone, does all my data in my phone get wiped off clean? if so, what do i use to make a backup.
btw sorry for all these questions.
and thanks in advance.
It's been that long since I rooted my phone I've forgotten how to do a backup without rooting! Titanium backup needs root.
Have you tried booting into recovery mode then doing a backup from the menu that appears (vol up+home then press power until Galaxy Note boot screen appears then let go of all buttons) I'm pretty sure you can backup from there.
salespalace said:
I've tried dr. ketan's way and it didnt work for me, maybe i didnt know what I was doing,
Ill try these pre rooted roms, I just basically flash them to the phone, does all my data in my phone get wiped off clean? if so, what do i use to make a backup.
btw sorry for all these questions.
and thanks in advance.
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You can have it either ways, wiped clean or not, up to you..
At the pre rooted ROMs thread there is a screen shot showing the three file you will find in the zips and the places they should be put at in Odin, if you do NOT want to wipe your data do NOT choose the CSC file, only flash PDA and phone (modem)
Or you can use Titanium Backup to backup your user apps only, do NOT backup system apps but your settings will be lost of course
Your preference
EDIT: Sorry forgot you don't have root lol! Sorry have no idea how to backup without root, try the poster above me suggested
Congrats Matius! 1000 posts! That is great work!
no you can't backup using that method, it just give me options to reboot, wipe everything off and some other things. all i need to backup is mainly my contacts and some data, ill try kies.
Kies should work. I wish I could remember what I did to create the backup - I've done a quick google and only found using adb and a terminal prompt, which I have never used. A quick search of Google Play shows some that may be worth a try and are free.
Wish I could be more help but for the life of me can't remember what I did that first night with my Note and got it to backup.
Good luck with Kies and enjoy flashing ROMs!
even kies doesnt work. i think astro backup will backup my files, as for settings ill just have to deal with it.
OK - good luck!
BTW - If you get heat issues after flashing - don't panic! Leave the phone off for five to ten minutes to cool down then charge it for an hour with the screen off. I found this was my biggest worry when I started flashing. Got really hot - thought the screen would melt. Now I just use the above process and never have problem.
All the best!
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Congrats Matius! 1000 posts! That is great work!
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Loool I just noticed this! Thanks!
salespalace said:
no you can't backup using that method, it just give me options to reboot, wipe everything off and some other things. all i need to backup is mainly my contacts and some data, ill try kies.
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Backup contacts with your Google account, most reliable way
thanks all, cant press thanks anymore, 8 thanks limit.
im now on the process rooting, but accidentally added the csc file, oh well..
I don't know if ive rooted, lol.
erm, odin says successful, but nothing seems to be removed, and i mean nothing, everything is still there, even my apps. but i do have two new apps or maybe one not sure. this superuser app, the other is a facebook camera app.
am i rooted? if so... thanks all. now to read through forum to see what the best gingerbread rom is or if ics rom is worth using now.
salespalace said:
I don't know if ive rooted, lol.
erm, odin says successful, but nothing seems to be removed, and i mean nothing, everything is still there, even my apps. but i do have two new apps or maybe one not sure. this superuser app, the other is a facebook camera app.
am i rooted? if so... thanks all. now to read through forum to see what the best gingerbread rom is or if ics rom is worth using now.
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To make sure you are rooted use a file explorer app (root explorer or ES file explorer)and try to copy a file (pic, video or anything) to /system folder
If it's saved then congrats you're rooted
Hi everybody
I'm new to Android Mobile and I got my HTC ONE just recently. I have to say that I'm in love with it, finally something I can really use.
I would like to root my phone and I went through several doc/videos about how to unlock the boot loader and how to root it.
I feel quite confident to do that on my own (I know, I know... I'm a lady and usually this kind of stuff are for boys only... but I'll give it a try).
I have only few questions if you can help an not expert user as myself:
1. after root my HTC One, will my mobile able to receive software updates pushed from the vendor?
2. by reading the forum, my understanding is that some of the system apps will be removed (not big deal actually and I understand I can recover them in some way). However, will I be able to recover all the other apps installed, phone settings and the usual data from my backup? I do a daily backup of my phone via the system Backup & Restore utility which stored the data in DropBox.
Thanks a lot boys and I sorry for the silly questions. I did my best to search on my own but still a bit confused
When you unlock the bootloader, you eliminate all OTA updates. That is my understandin.
If you backup'd up with method X (whatever method that maybe), I dont see why you cant continue to use method X to restore your settings as well.
When i forgot got my phone, I unlocked and rooted immediately. I installed titanium backup (thats my method of choice), and transfered the content from my old phone and use titanium to restore everything.
Linda2013 said:
Hi everybody
I'm new to Android Mobile and I got my HTC ONE just recently. I have to say that I'm in love with it, finally something I can really use.
I would like to root my phone and I went through several doc/videos about how to unlock the boot loader and how to root it.
I feel quite confident to do that on my own (I know, I know... I'm a lady and usually this kind of stuff are for boys only... but I'll give it a try).
I have only few questions if you can help an not expert user as myself:
1. after root my HTC One, will my mobile able to receive software updates pushed from the vendor?
2. by reading the forum, my understanding is that some of the system apps will be removed (not big deal actually and I understand I can recover them in some way). However, will I be able to recover all the other apps installed, phone settings and the usual data from my backup? I do a daily backup of my phone via the system Backup & Restore utility which stored the data in DropBox.
Thanks a lot boys and I sorry for the silly questions. I did my best to search on my own but still a bit confused
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1. Yes you will receive update notifications but depending on what recovery you have you might not be able to install the update until you go to stock recovery.
2. Yes you will be able to restore your data and it work rather well. Don't remember if it backed up the app data (settings for apps accounts save games etc....) and depending on your settings it may not backup pictures and videos so make a copy on a computer if you have pics you don't want to lose.
Linda2013 said:
Hi everybody
I'm new to Android Mobile and I got my HTC ONE just recently. I have to say that I'm in love with it, finally something I can really use.
I would like to root my phone and I went through several doc/videos about how to unlock the boot loader and how to root it.
I feel quite confident to do that on my own (I know, I know... I'm a lady and usually this kind of stuff are for boys only... but I'll give it a try).
I have only few questions if you can help an not expert user as myself:
1. after root my HTC One, will my mobile able to receive software updates pushed from the vendor?
2. by reading the forum, my understanding is that some of the system apps will be removed (not big deal actually and I understand I can recover them in some way). However, will I be able to recover all the other apps installed, phone settings and the usual data from my backup? I do a daily backup of my phone via the system Backup & Restore utility which stored the data in DropBox.
Thanks a lot boys and I sorry for the silly questions. I did my best to search on my own but still a bit confused
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Let me start off by congratulating you on an excellent choice of phone!
In response to your questions, I havesome answers for you:
1. After unlocking the bootloader/rooting your phone, you will still be able to receive OTA updates. However, to actually install them you will have to relock the bootloader. Take care when installing OTA updates, as they may contain "fixes" that will disable re-unlocking the bootlader or rooting.
2. You should be able to recover all of your apps, settings, and data. Once rooted, I highly recommend Titanium backup for apps and data, and MyBackupPro for contacts, call logs, messages, and such.
Thank you guys, you are wonderful! I love u!!!
Last question then I promise I will not bothering anymore
I can see from the tutorial that once I've unlocked the boot loader I will need to use a recovery utility like TWRP.
I'm not going to install any custom ROM for now and I would like to keep the original one. The only thing that I really need is root privileges to rid off some apps that were installed by the carrier (which I hate), as well the carrier boot up logo animation.
So, for instance... I'm running at the moment the 1.29.841.2 software version.
Will the recovery process keep the phone on the same version or it will install a flat one without the updates?
Linda
Linda2013 said:
Thank you guys, you are wonderful! I love u!!!
Last question then I promise I will not bothering anymore
I can see from the tutorial that once I've unlocked the boot loader I will need to use a recovery utility like TWRP.
I'm not going to install any custom ROM for now and I would like to keep the original one. The only thing that I really need is root privileges to rid off some apps that were installed by the carrier (which I hate), as well the carrier boot up logo animation.
So, for instance... I'm running at the moment the 1.29.841.2 software version.
Will the recovery process keep the phone on the same version or it will install a flat one without the updates?
Linda
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Not bothering at all, that's what the forums are here for.
The recovery process will leave the phone on the same version that has been installed. All apps will need to be re-updated, but the system version will stay the same.
skunkbandit said:
Not bothering at all, that's what the forums are here for.
The recovery process will leave the phone on the same version that has been installed. All apps will need to be re-updated, but the system version will stay the same.
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Great!!! all my doubts and questions are now solved. I'm ready now to try the tutorial on my own (I'm so happy ).
Thanks you sooooooo much!
Linda2013 said:
Great!!! all my doubts and questions are now solved. I'm ready now to try the tutorial on my own (I'm so happy ).
Thanks you sooooooo much!
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You're welcome!
just a quick heads up, be aware that unlocking your bootloader will wipe all of the data stored in your phone. Make sure to have a recent backup available.
Lots of useful info here, make sure to check it out: http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader
Linda2013 said:
Great!!! all my doubts and questions are now solved. I'm ready now to try the tutorial on my own (I'm so happy ).
Thanks you sooooooo much!
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Good luck, hope you enjoy your HTC One
Not sure which tutorial you're using, I have found this one to be very thorough, written by a respected Rom developer
[GUIDE] Complete Flashing Guide | Rooting | Going Back To Stock | 05.05.2013
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2265618
Sent from my HTC One using xda app-developers app
All good! I've successfully unlocked and rooted my device.
I've installed TWRP and made a backup (just in case).
Then restored all my data/apps.
Very happy thx again guys!
Hi, I am sure this is answered somewhere here, but there is so much cumulative information and half-answers to go through.
First the short version then some additional info.
Short;
How can I do a complete backup of a new TF701 so that I could restore it to the state it arrived in before I would unlock the bootloader, root, and install a recovery?
Info;
Although I am not an expert, I have rooted/put clockwork recovery on a few different phones and tablets. I am familiar with adb and know there are techniques to use that to do a backup.
A bit more info;
I have another TF701 that is rooted and works reasonably well, but I did something at some point that now it randomly reboots, as well as it will not install the update to go from JB to KK (I get a "not enough space" error that I assume is really a misleading error based on having encrypted the device).
On the new TF701, after turning it on, all I have done is apply the various system updates. I would like to capture the device in this state so that in the future I can restore to it. IE, that I would both be able to restore to this clean KK as well as stock recovery, and anything else (if there is) software-wise that might cause the device to misbehave. Having a re-locked bootloader isn't necessarily a requirement, as I'm not sure how hard that is, but if possible I would like the state captured to be with the device as it currently is with the locked bootloader.
If possible, I don't want to root, install a recovery, and only then be able to do a backup and have to rely on someone's post of a "Stock recovery" or image.
My main concern is not around returning the device and getting support or things like that; it is being able to return the device to a known, pristine state, since most backup methods don't seem to backup everything; they either only backup apks, or only backup the system rom, or only the "sdcard", etc.
SocketTumi said:
Hi, I am sure this is answered somewhere here, but there is so much cumulative information and half-answers to go through.
First the short version then some additional info.
Short;
How can I do a complete backup of a new TF701 so that I could restore it to the state it arrived in before I would unlock the bootloader, root, and install a recovery?
Info;
Although I am not an expert, I have rooted/put clockwork recovery on a few different phones and tablets. I am familiar with adb and know there are techniques to use that to do a backup.
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I have another TF701 that is rooted and works reasonably well, but I did something at some point that now it randomly reboots, as well as it will not install the update to go from JB to KK (I get a "not enough space" error that I assume is really a misleading error based on having encrypted the device).
On the new TF701, after turning it on, all I have done is apply the various system updates. I would like to capture the device in this state so that in the future I can restore to it. IE, that I would both be able to restore to this clean KK as well as stock recovery, and anything else (if there is) software-wise that might cause the device to misbehave. Having a re-locked bootloader isn't necessarily a requirement, as I'm not sure how hard that is, but if possible I would like the state captured to be with the device as it currently is with the locked bootloader.
If possible, I don't want to root, install a recovery, and only then be able to do a backup and have to rely on someone's post of a "Stock recovery" or image.
My main concern is not around returning the device and getting support or things like that; it is being able to return the device to a known, pristine state, since most backup methods don't seem to backup everything; they either only backup apks, or only backup the system rom, or only the "sdcard", etc.
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The short answer is: You can't.
You can't do anything in terms of backing up anything system related with a locked bootloader
You cannot relock the bootloader
You cannot make a nandroid without a custom recovery installed.
What's wrong with the stock recovery image and the stock rom you can find on Droidbasement????
They are just that: Pure stock. If you flash those you're tablet is back to factory specs except for the BL unlock.
Try formatting /data on your old tablet, then reflash the rom. Most likely your problems are related to the encryption....
berndblb said:
You can't do anything in terms of backing up anything system related with a locked bootloader.
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Well, I said I understand I might need to unlock the bootloader.
I don't understand why, for example;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-nexus/general/guide-phone-backup-unlock-root-t1420351
after an adb restore;
"You're back to normal, short of possibly some widgets on the home screen. [...] I did have an issue with not all files being restored to the Internal Storage; in particular, the Gallery still displayed all the folders and files that it had cached (which it expected to be there) as only gray boxes, and would not display the images, nor would it rescan the media. [...] this will not back up SMS messages"
Why??? Is this a bug in adb? something about not being able to lock the file system? Those questions are rhetorical, but I don't understand why everything with Android seems to be "it works, ... except ..."
berndblb said:
What's wrong with the stock recovery image and the stock rom you can find on Droidbasement????.
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Probably nothing, but what is it's provenance? It was not posted by Asus, right? How do I know it was not posted by some hacker who has added three lines of code that captures every "keystroke" I make? Most of the posted tutorials just say "go here ..,. download this ..., type this ... and there is no explanation of what is going on or why I should trust that download. If I can't get a purely stock rom, how did the person who posted that one?
SocketTumi said:
Well, I said I understand I might need to unlock the bootloader.
I don't understand why, for example;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-nexus/general/guide-phone-backup-unlock-root-t1420351
after an adb restore;
"You're back to normal, short of possibly some widgets on the home screen. [...] I did have an issue with not all files being restored to the Internal Storage; in particular, the Gallery still displayed all the folders and files that it had cached (which it expected to be there) as only gray boxes, and would not display the images, nor would it rescan the media. [...] this will not back up SMS messages"
Why??? Is this a bug in adb? something about not being able to lock the file system? Those questions are rhetorical, but I don't understand why everything with Android seems to be "it works, ... except ..."
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Why should something titled as experimental developed for a Samsung Nexus on ICS from 2011 not work on your current tablet?
I don't even know where to begin.......
And anyway, that post is about backing up apps and data. Doesn't backup the rom....
Probably nothing, but what is it's provenance? It was not posted by Asus, right? How do I know it was not posted by some hacker who has added three lines of code that captures every "keystroke" I make? Most of the posted tutorials just say "go here ..,. download this ..., type this ... and there is no explanation of what is going on or why I should trust that download. If I can't get a purely stock rom, how did the person who posted that one?
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Yes, you should only download from reputable sources. How do you find out if they are reputable? Google is your friend.
How could they do it? Because they know a whole lot more than you do.... or I for that matter.
But it's totally up to you to benefit or not from a boatload of work done for free in the spirit of sharing.
berndblb said:
Try formatting /data on your old tablet, then reflash the rom. Most likely your problems are related to the encryption....
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Thank you. I was trying to avoid starting over on that tablet, but that worked.
I can access the CM12 Recovery but thats it. I have tried with many nightlies sideloading through adb or just from the sd card but it still isnt working. I don't mind downgrading but I can't work out how to.
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I can access the CM12 Recovery but thats it. I have tried with many nightlies sideloading through adb or just from the sd card but it still isnt working. I don't mind downgrading but I can't work out how to.
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Hello
You have to flash the stock rom with flashtool to recover the phone.
I give you a link of the stock rom for the xperia z3 compact.
And if you need instructions tell me here.
I hope that I help you.:good:
Regards
ovejasrepublicanas said:
Hello
You have to flash the stock rom with flashtool to recover the phone.
I give you a link of the stock rom for the xperia z3 compact.
And if you need instructions tell me here.
I hope that I help you.:good:
Regards
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No offence but that's crappy advice, imo. If you tell people that the only way to recover from a soft brick is by restoring stock, you'll help raise a full generation of idiots. Flashing a stock .FTF can do many things if you don't know how to use Flashtool, including wiping the internal storage (which I'm sure OP doesn't want), and is only really necessary if nothing else works.
@H0lmEd: Try flashing the TWRP recovery (2.8.5.0 is the latest available version) and while you're at it, flash the boot image of the nightly you've downloaded. Boot into TWRP, then backup your data partition (if you have any data on there that you'd like to restore later). Then wipe /system, /cache, /data and dalvik (basically anything but your SD card and internal storage), and flash the ROM zip. You should be up and running again.
If you want to restore any apps and such, you can try just restoring from TWRP, or (preferably) using an app (like Titanium Backup) to restore your apps and their data from the recovery backup.
someone755 said:
No offence but that's crappy advice, imo. If you tell people that the only way to recover from a soft brick is by restoring stock, you'll help raise a full generation of idiots. Flashing a stock .FTF can do many things if you don't know how to use Flashtool, including wiping the internal storage (which I'm sure OP doesn't want), and is only really necessary if nothing else works.
@H0lmEd: Try flashing the TWRP recovery (2.8.5.0 is the latest available version) and while you're at it, flash the boot image of the nightly you've downloaded. Boot into TWRP, then backup your data partition (if you have any data on there that you'd like to restore later). Then wipe /system, /cache, /data and dalvik (basically anything but your SD card and internal storage), and flash the ROM zip. You should be up and running again.
If you want to restore any apps and such, you can try just restoring from TWRP, or (preferably) using an app (like Titanium Backup) to restore your apps and their data from the recovery backup.
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You offended me.I go with the good intetion to help other people.
I want to remove my account.There are more experts than me.Now i know that my help don´t served.
Regards
ovejasrepublicanas said:
You offended me.
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While that was not my intention, and I do feel apologetic, that doesn't change anything. I don't know why you felt the need to write this.
I go with the good intetion to help other people.
I want to remove my account.There are more experts than me.Now i know that my help don´t served.
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I believe that your intentions were good, as were mine; I was simply pointing out that your advice is valid and satisfactory, but that there are many methods that are more efficient and overall superior.
You are free to remove your account should you so please, but having somebody correct you is no reason to wish to do that -- must I switch schools (or worse, commit suicide) because my math teacher corrected me when I had made an error!? We're here to help other people learn, both you and me. There are hundreds upon hundreds of people that know better than both of us, and we are here to learn from them. Taking the comment of your advice to your heart is no way to go about it (or anything else in life, for that matter). Instead what you should see is a short critique of your advice, followed by a comment on what is better and why that is so -- see the knowledge and helpfulness, don't stop because you did something that wasn't perfect.
And though my comment was not meant as a derogatory one, I do see that my poor choice of words could and, in fact, should, be improved upon.