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Pocketnow has posted a 11+ minute review on the Nexus 7. Brandon did a pretty good job describing the pros and cons of the device and the tablet received a very good score overall. Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jiu7_Auqyg&feature=g-all-u. The negatives were a washed out/dull screen and it takes over 7 hours to charge the device from 0-100%.

I could not stand that guy's voice. That and it looked like he was constantly mashing the screen just for the sake of it.
Personal opinion.

I'm a bit nervous about the washed out screen. Coming from both a Galaxy Nexus and an iPad 3 I felt the Transformer series screens were all lacking in color vibrancy. I guess I'll have to wait and find out!

Strange that his takes 7 hours to charge, other reviews like ubergizmo say 3 hours.

jabsys said:
Strange that his takes 7 hours to charge, other reviews like ubergizmo say 3 hours.
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7 hours over USB could be right, but surely not plugged into the mains.

I think the Anandtech mini-review explains the screen issue.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6054/google-nexus-7-mini-review
The big thing is his note that the greens seem undersaturated, which will make it appear dull. Plus comparing it to a phone isn't apples to apples because it is a different type of panel due to the need for greater viewing angles. I'd personally lose a bit of color vibrancy if it meant that I wouldn't have to hold it at a precise angle to be able to read it.

Really? People dislike the screen now? The day it was released at I/O everyone was complimenting it and saying that it looked great. It even looks good in videos.

>I'm a bit nervous about the washed out screen.
The comparison was to an AMOLED screen, which is stupid, since AMOLED is known to be oversaturated and brighter than most LCDs. He's comparing a $500 device (Galaxy Nexus) to a $200 device.
Comparison at 2:50 mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jiu7_Auqyg&t=170
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>7 hours over USB could be right, but surely not plugged into the mains.
Given the ill-advised comparison with AMOLED, dude has little credibility.
There are many variables in charging. He's had the unit 3-4 days, and likely has only one full charge for the review. The first charge cycle can be weird.
N7 is very similar to Fire. The Fire has a 4.4Ah batt, and a [email protected] charger. From TomsHardware, Fire has 0-100% recharge time of 2:48. Other sources say as long as 5 hrs.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amazon-kindle-fire-review,3076-14.html
N7 has a slightly smaller batt at 4.3Ah, and a slightly stronger [email protected] charger (same as iPad). Recharge time should be same or slightly less than Fire.
With his competence, dude probably used a standard cellphone (1.0A) charger.

Is it me.. or that video was so choppy that I just couldn't take it seriously

e.mote said:
He's comparing a $500 device (Galaxy Nexus) to a $200 device.
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The Galaxy Nexus is only $350.

My concern at this point is the browser, i want the browser to be smooth and work well on websites like theverge, and in this review he said that it was a bit choppy. I hope my preorder unit will not be choppy in the web browser.

lovenokia said:
My concern at this point is the browser, i want the browser to be smooth and work well on websites like theverge, and in this review he said that it was a bit choppy. I hope my preorder unit will not be choppy in the web browser.
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Everyone's unit will have a choppy browser unless Google patch through and update for chrome before the n7 is shipped. Think I will just download dolphin browser until its fixed. Oh and I did like this review but I just thought anandtech was better.
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androidkid311 said:
Everyone's unit will have a choppy browser unless Google patch through and update for chrome before the n7 is shipped. Think I will just download dolphin browser until its fixed. Oh and I did like this review but I just thought anandtech was better.
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I hope the dolphin web browser will be ipad smooth, i really need a good browsing device, cause i ruined the processor on my hp touchpad, and sold it to get an n7. Google better update chrome quickly.

I'll chime in here with my own opinion of the "screen vs. AMOLED" thing others have also commented on. I've been trying out a Toshiba Excite 7.7 with AMOLED (same one as on the Galaxy Tab 7.7) and have an iPad 3. Comparing the two side-by-side, I'll say that colors on the Excite 7.7 are definitely bright and more saturated than on the iPad 3. In fact, one might say the iPad 3 colors looked "washed out" compared to those on the Excite 7.7.
However, if you ask me which I prefer when using the two tablets separately, I'd say I prefer colors on the iPad 3. They seem more natural, while colors on the Excite 7.7 seem unnatural and somewhat blown out.
Also, I wouldn't want an AMOLED screen on the Nexus 7 even if colors were so much better, because AMOLED on a 7"-ish screen (at least on the Excite, with a similar battery) absolutely KILLS the battery when backgrounds are white (or generally brighter). For ebook reading, which I prefer black text on a white background, or any app (say, Greader) that uses a light background, battery life is something like 30% less. Switch to a dark background, and battery life is much improved. However, who wants to adjust their tablet usage to avoid lots of white, really?
In fact, there's so much of an impact that Toshiba apparently tuned their AutoBrite feature (adjusting contrast and brightness for screen content) to really kill quality with bright backgrounds. In fact, it changes abruptly when scrolling a Web page that varies from light to dark to light backgrounds. It's distracting and ugly, frankly, but clearly Toshiba saw the need to implement it given the impact on battery life.
The Verge said that, yes, colors are "washed out" compared to AMOLED, but much more in line with the new iPad. I'd say, that's a very good thing overall.

lovenokia said:
My concern at this point is the browser, i want the browser to be smooth and work well on websites like theverge, and in this review he said that it was a bit choppy. I hope my preorder unit will not be choppy in the web browser.
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We can't go by software reviews right now. These tablets are all running a developer preview, not the final build. The only thing that won't change is the hardware.

revmra said:
I think the Anandtech mini-review explains the screen issue.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6054/google-nexus-7-mini-review
The big thing is his note that the greens seem undersaturated, which will make it appear dull. Plus comparing it to a phone isn't apples to apples because it is a different type of panel due to the need for greater viewing angles. I'd personally lose a bit of color vibrancy if it meant that I wouldn't have to hold it at a precise angle to be able to read it.
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Thanks! I couldnt remember where I saw the color review. That for sure makes more sense.
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I found the Anandtech review a little concerning because of the temperature thing. I like warmer screens, but 5500K seems a little too warm. Can't seem to get any feedback from anyone who has one on white balance, either.
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calvin4001 said:
We can't go by software reviews right now. These tablets are all running a developer preview, not the final build. The only thing that won't change is the hardware.
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So your saying that the web browser may in fact be all finished and smoothed out by the time of the release? than if so i am happy!

Isn't there already a thread for Hands-On reviews? This should probably continue there. Though I really shouldn't pretend to be Step666...

Was this guy smoking something when he said the back was "easy to remove"

" they just really messed up the factory calibration"

No s***. After all the display hype I was stunned at the crap colors on this thing.
http://mashable.com/2012/07/24/google-nexus-7-display/
Thinking of returning and repurchasing in a few months.

I think their 'completely sold out' spin is really a back-to-the-drawing board on a few of these things.

rockky said:
No s***. After all the display hype I was stunned at the crap colors on this thing.
http://mashable.com/2012/07/24/google-nexus-7-display/
Thinking of returning and repurchasing in a few months.
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I bought one for my wife and the display looks fantastic. We use it to view pictures, play movies, games and read books and I'm impressed with the build quality of it and haven't had any of the issues some people have reported. For $200, no regrets.

I guess mine is defective. They failed to mess up the factory calibration and mine looks great.
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They said it's a calibration issue and that a software update will fix it.
Developers and modders, get hacking!
-Ara

just lou said:
I guess mine is defective. They failed to mess up the factory calibration and mine looks great.
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Lol, my display is great as well!
OP, it's a 200 dollar tablet, you're reading a review where they compare the n7 screen to the retina display on an ipad2.... Pull your head out of your ass.

Mine looks great.
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SoHaunted said:
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Lol, my display is great as well!
OP, it's a 200 dollar tablet, you're reading a review where they compare the n7 screen to the retina display on an ipad2.... Pull your head out of your ass.
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iPad2 has retina display?
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SoHaunted said:
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Lol, my display is great as well!
OP, it's a 200 dollar tablet, you're reading a review where they compare the n7 screen to the retina display on an ipad2.... Pull your head out of your ass.
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The price tag doesn't really have anything to do with the issue. And they compared it with a Galaxy Tab 7.0. The display really should look better than it does. I agree, seems like they messed up the calibration.
Here is my Nexus 7 (on the left) compared to my Nook Color (on the right). White saturation shouldn't be that bad.
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iPad2 has retina display?
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I don't know what the ipad2 has, I don't care for apple so I don't do my homework on their ****. I do know the ipad2 has the best screen though so comparing a budget tab screen to the ipad2 screen is pretty stupid.
Regardless, my n7 screen is more and adequate for my daily use, and and I think it looks great.
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All the people being defensive need to understand what this review is saying before leaping to the rescue. If the Nexus is good enough for you, that's fine. Your views on display quality are entirely subjective based on the best display you've had the fortune to use for any extended period of time. But what you are looking at is not just "what you get for $200", but a much better display hobbled by a stupid manufacturer error. Try and look beyond your post-purchase rationalization and maybe people can start caring enough to push an official response/solution to this.

Perhaps there are gradeA displays out there...not mine.
I think folks are either in denial....or rationalize it out via the $199 price.
For the resolution purported on this, my display is greatly disappointing...and I know the difference.
The calibration statement resonated immediately...I do think that's what's going on.
If dev's can mod it, great.

rockky said:
Perhaps there are gradeA displays out there...not mine.
I think folks are either in denial....or rationalize it out via the $199 price.
For the resolution purported on this, my display is greatly disappointing...and I know the difference.
The calibration statement resonated immediately...I do think that's what's going on.
If dev's can mod it, great.
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I think it's the denial.
I used to think Apple fanboys were bad... that is until I read the Nexus 7 forums, with many crossing the line from denial to delusional. When I write that small text rendering on the Nexus 7 is poorer than my 12" Windows laptop with 1280x800 resolution and ClearType on, I get 20 posts saying the Nexus 7 renders small text just as well as the retina Ipad or renders hundred page PDFs faster than the Ipad.
I just want a good product. $250 isn't chump change in this economy. Most of us wouldn't have bought a Chinese knockoff tablet for $250 if the reviews had said "craptastic colors, peeling screens, lose adhesive, insensitive touch screens." Think about that. So let's all be honest with ourselves.

SoHaunted said:
I don't know what the ipad2 has, I don't care for apple so I don't do my homework on their ****. I do know the ipad2 has the best screen though so comparing a budget tab screen to the ipad2 screen is pretty stupid.
Regardless, my n7 screen is more and adequate for my daily use, and and I think it looks great.
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If you don't do your homework on their **** then stop quoting false things. The iPad 2 has an awful screen. The iPad 3 has a nice screen. I know I'm splitting hairs but that was annoying
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hic9582 said:
If you don't do your homework on their **** then stop quoting false things. The iPad 2 has an awful screen. The iPad 3 has a nice screen. I know I'm splitting hairs but that was annoying
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exactly. Ipad 2 has exact same display and mediocre dpi as the Ipad 1. which I have. nexus 7 screen is way better. plus I won't take one bad review on the screen over the other countless ones praising it. there may be a few units out there with the color calibration off. but I'm sure majority of devices look fine, like mines. not worried about the comparison at all. I have multiple tablets and my nexus 7 looks good compared to others. its display is almost as good as my prime display(which was praised very highly). nexus 7 even has higher dpi than the prime. almost as much as the ipad3. nexus 7 display is better than the iPhone 4s so called retina display. this is based on dpi and how apple classifies a display being retina quality.

I'm very content with the Nexus 7's display with everything I've done far such as browsing, ebooks, movies, gaming, streaming YouTube, etc.
But now that I read about the issue all of the sudden everything has become worse so I'm going to RMA IT six times disregarding the fact that it's software correctable.

demandarin said:
nexus 7 display is better than the iPhone 4s so called retina display. this is based on dpi and how apple classifies a display being retina quality.
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More misinformation garbage from the fanboys.
Iphone 4s has 326dpi, or about 110 more dpi than Nexus 7.

So is this something that could be fixed with an OTA update?
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Dear OP,
NOBODY CARES.
Raymond Soneira spends all day calibrating $1000+ professional IPS displays, and uses them as a basis for comparison. His opinion on color reproduction on a budget consumer device is about as helpful as Montezemolo's opinion on how well a Prius handles corners.
It's $200. Deal with it.

If you want something to actually complain about get a transformer prime. Welcome to the world of asus
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Nexus 7 display looks quite bad!

Hi,
the display of our nexus 7 really is a shame for a google lead-device.
Look here:
http://www.displaymate.com/Tablet_7inch_ShootOut_1.htm
http://www.displaymate.com/news.html#8
http://www.zdnet.com/google-nexus-7-bright-image-compression-blamed-on-oem-incompetence-7000001450/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57479059-94/expert-claims-googles-nexus-7-display-has-flaws/
or here (left nexus 7 - right nook color):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1380397&stc=1&d=1349526183
The Nexus 7 has a very bad white saturation...
So hopefully these things will be fixed soon by Asus and Google. And hopefully these things are not hardware related..
PS: There is a further Problem with PRISM smartdimmer too (appears after watching full-screen movies).
This can be "fixed" resp. disabled by editing a config-file...but it doesn´t fix the bad quality over-all...
Very disappointing for a Google lead-device!

True.
The display, for me at least, is fine. You have to remember, Asus made this tablet in FOUR MONTHS. There's gonna be problems. I've read dozens
of threads about dead pixels, screen lift, screen ficker, bad replacements, ect. Mine, for example, has screen ficker, but it's not bad I just deal with it. Not everyone feels that way though. Also, Google sold this at a loss.

Considering how great I think my Nexus 7 display looks, the op is really over-generalizing.
Pixel density and color rendition I consider superb for a device in this class.
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Oh great, another thread with someone *****ing
Sent from my Nexus 7

I ride the light rail to work and frequently have people sit next to me that have competing devices, including iPad.
Before I'd read the articles, I was telling them how awesome the display was. And they would actually agree!
Then I read these articles and proceeded to stomp on my device and through it in the trash. Didn't matter what it looked like to me or even the owners of the competiton though about how vibrant and clear it was......
Just kidding, I still enjoy it very much and I used to own a Nook Color. I still can't see what the big deal is. Displaymate and the others have mentioned that the hardware is excellent for the display and that a color calibration is likely all that's required.
When that happens, I'll be like "holy cow!!!! Still can't see the big deal!"

Oh lordy this DisplayMate guy again with his graphs and charts.. Yeah he's doing what is called advertising his company by latching onto a hot item with unfounded negative opinions and "data" and it's working unfortunately because all you have to do in the tech field is claim you are an "expert" and anyone will put what you say to print. The N7 display looks absolutely fantastic and the DisplayMate guy is an idiot.

The first 4 links are about the same thing just from different places, I have no problems at all with my display and think it looks great.

styckx said:
Oh lordy this DisplayMate guy again with his graphs and charts.. Yeah he's doing what is called advertising his company by latching onto a hot item with unfounded negative opinions and "data" and it's working unfortunately because all you have to do in the tech field is claim you are an "expert" and anyone will put what you say to print. The N7 display looks absolutely fantastic and the DisplayMate guy is an idiot.
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Uh, no, he uses actual quantifiable data that tells you how the display performs technically. You may not care about the details, and the differences may not make a difference to you, but unless you have something to actually dispute the data, you're clearly the one being an idiot - you might as well be a flat heart her railing on someone and their fancy 'science' and stuff...

Coming from the 1st Fire, this screen looks amazing and runs great thus far. Very happy with my purchase.
Even compared to a new Fire and went with this and I am wrapped up quite a bit in the Amazon ecosystem.
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Before the n7 I was owning the iPad 3, I must say the n7
have almost nothing to compare to the iPad 3 Disaply(only display).
But I got my n7 and it's pretty good display, not the best but above average.

ffs

I was complimented on how nice the display on my Nexus 7 looked just 3 days ago by my boss, who is an electrical and software engineer and total technophile... I think the display looks quite good, the color reproduction is truer to life than the over-saturated AMOLED displays.
In fact the Nexus 7 is quite frequently praised for it's display by reviewers, such as this one:
http://reviews.cnet.com/google-nexus-7/
Packed with pixels, the Nexus 7's screen truly satisfies. Its 1,280x800-pixel-resolution screen delivers 1,024,000 pixels, giving it one of the highest pixel densities of any tablet. The bottom line: With a beautiful screen, fast performance, a comfortable design, and overall great media options, the Nexus 7 is easily the best 7-inch tablet available and one of the top tablets on the market.
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I think most people complaining about the display are either used to the unrealistic saturation of OLED displays, have defective units, or are trolls.
The Google Nexus 7 has a retina-class display (215 PPI). The Galaxy Tab has a 169 PPI display similar to the Kindle Fire and the Nook tablet. For consumers who like to read e-books on their tablet, the Nexus offers a sharper display.
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Here it is in an article about tablets with the best screens:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57406607-251/tablets-with-the-best-screens/
Yeah... it basically has the best display in it's class, I really don't understand what people are complaining about. I think the display looks fantastic, and I am not newbie to smart phones or tablets. If yours really looks so awful send it back for an exchange because it is defective.

masully84 said:
Oh great, another thread with someone *****ing
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Umm...it's a fricking forum....for, amoung other things, people dissatisfied in some way to express it.
If its too much for you, don't click the post.

The calibration isn't quite right. Hopefully a firmware update at some point can fix it. But I can understand people getting tired of this topic brought up repeatedly. This has been discussed quite a bit. And I've been critical of the poor calibration, but I would not say the screen looks bad at all. I think it looks good, it just could look better.

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The calibration isn't quite right. Hopefully a firmware update at some point can fix it.
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Yes i hope they will fix it soon. The upcoming iPad Mini surely will have a display comparable to the iPad3.
And it´s rumored price is under $ 300,- too. So ASUS really should catch up with it.
Compared to an iPad 3 the lower Pixel density and bad color saturation makes (especially small) texts harder to read on our Nexus 7.
Fonts on iPad 3 are very sharp and deep-black - on Nexus 7 they often (chrome, flipboard, in-app settings-menu) look kinda gray and blurred.
Just compare it to iPad 3 and you will see the difference. If you don´t know how good it can be you will say our Nexus 7 display is good.
But if you have seen what´s possible on iPad3 you will be disappointed of N7.
I know a lot of "fandroids" always would say N7 is the best and greatest - i like the N7 too - but some things are bad and I don´t whitewash it.

Greens (and by extension yellows and cyans) tend to look more washed out on the Nexus 7 than on most other displays I've seen.
But colors are still better than any AMOLED I've ever seen. I'd much rather have a similar IPS panel on my Galaxy Nexus with its slightly washed out colors than the AMOLED with it's exaggerated saturation.

Who cares, some people have too much free time to nitpick
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Bogdan-xd said:
Greens (and by extension yellows and cyans) tend to look more washed out on the Nexus 7 than on most other displays I've seen.
But colors are still better than any AMOLED I've ever seen. I'd much rather have a similar IPS panel on my Galaxy Nexus with its slightly washed out colors than the AMOLED with it's exaggerated saturation.
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That´s difficult .. AMOLED on Galaxy SIII for me looks a little better than our washed out IPS (especially on texts).
But IPS on iPAD tops N7 significantly (especially the whites, greens and blues).

What's all this about amoleds and "more accurate" color reproduction. Going between my gnex and my N7 is like night and day. I absolutely love how the colors are so rich and deep looking. Then going to my N7 the colors are "accurate" but look washed comparing the two. If there was a little more contrast on the N7 it would be perfect but things are just too bright, needs more dept and shadows.
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ÜBER™ said:
What's all this about amoleds and "more accurate" color reproduction. Going between my gnex and my N7 is like night and day. I absolutely love how the colors are so rich and deep looking. Then going to my N7 the colors are "accurate" but look washed comparing the two. If there was a little more contrast on the N7 it would be perfect but things are just too bright, needs more dept and shadows.
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The problem is that colors on N7 are not accurate at all.
Blue green and white for example are far off the sRGB standard.
And Gamma is too low...
look here:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nexus-7-test-jelly-bean,review-32494-5.html
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexus-7-review/3
color gamut is pretty bad especially compared to ipad3 (and upcoming ipad mini too ????)
according to this graphic the display (hardware?) can´t show all green and blue tones.
So we maybe will never see a softwareupdate which fixes our problem.

According to Apple...

During their announcement today stated that the Nexus 7 "a scaled up phone experience"
(approx 1:58PM - Engadget's live blog)
hmm, never once did I ever feel that with my N7.
I just thought it was an arrogant statement, and kind of pissed me off.

meh, it kinda is. Having a Galaxy Nexus and a Nexus 7, they feel very similar.... mostly because they both use the Phone UI homescreen. FWIW I use Tablet mode on the Nexus 7 simply because it utilizes the larger screen space more efficiently and also lets my mind realize that I'm on a tablet and not my phone.
This is a skillet calling the kettle black, because iOS is EXACTLY the same on iPhones and iPads alike.
This is the same Apple spin that they've always done. "ProductXYZ is so awesome because ProductABC sucks". There is absolutely no credit or specifics given. Hence why we have iSheep... they just simply believe everything they say.
Realistically the iPad is no different then the Nexus 7. They both use the same phone interface but yield a few tablet specific apps. This is the same spin that say their, "Apple Mini is 30% larger then the competition [of other 7" tablets]". Yea but isn't the idea of a "mini" to be "mini". I mean the difference between 7.9" and a 9.7" isn't really that great.

Yeah, The iPad launcher is terrible. That's just a scaled up phone UI.
But quite like the phablet UI on the nexus 7, its more convenient than the tablet UI on a 7in Tablet.
There is starting to be more tablet-optimized apps for android now

Lolwut? He actually said that.. he does realize that the grid size of icons on the iPhone are exactly the same as on the ipad right? And thats something THEY create?... and hes saying the N7 is just a scaled up phone UI... WTF is wrong with this guy.. -_- . Least we have the option to use tablet mode or hybrid or whatever the hell we want...

I'm pretty sure he was referring to apps. Most third party apps on the Nexus 7 are the same as their phone counterparts - just scaled up. In comparison, many of Apple's third party apps are designed differently for the iPhone and the iPad. Unfortunately, at the present moment, he's right about this.

Ipad mini has lower resolution and ppi than our nexus 7.
Tell me something. Ipad mini screen is 7.9in. They claim its over 30% larger screen than our nexus7(7in.). Does a .9 screen increase really translate to it being more than 30% screen size over us?
They do have a rear cam though. So it has us on that. Plus it has same dual core A5 that was in original ipad2. It looks nice but I still love my N7.

You have to admit in the presentation they made the Nexus display to bezel ratio look bad. Makes me kinda jealous of the thin bezel on the mini. Perhaps 4:3 AR is a better fit for small tablets? Note that they didn't mention anything about pixel density, because it doesn't help them. Only saying XGA res is the same as iPad 2 and apps don't have to be rewritten.
I only hope Google will take a hint and perhaps offer hybrid/tablet mode options on stock launcher in the future, as the nav buttons on bottom doesn't make efficient use of screen real estate.

Im suprised there isnt a nexus 7 vs ipad mini thread already. :good:
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Well the slides showing the comparison of the mini verses the nexus7 sure gave a lot better view on web pages from the mini.And it has a camera.:laugh:

Considering that Android lacks proper tablet apps, it kinda is a scaled-up phone experience.
While I love my Nexus 7, I really miss iPad's app selection.

TidBit said:
During their announcement today stated that the Nexus 7 "a scaled up phone experience"
(approx 1:58PM - Engadget's live blog)
hmm, never once did I ever feel that with my N7.
I just thought it was an arrogant statement, and kind of pissed me off.
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I believe Phil was talking about how the apps were scaled up phone apps

Android = More customizable to make it your own, Not locked into having to use any particular software for transferring media, can have many numerous options for icon layout per device.
Apple = Less customizable, more cloning, Locked into using iTunes to transfer media, uses the exact same icon layout regardless the iDevice
I don't mind Apple Devices, but by Heck their devices are slow - this coming from when I had to use an iPhone 4 when my HTC was being repaired......and also when comparing my Boss' iPad 3 to my Nexus 7....

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You have to admit in the presentation they made the Nexus display to bezel ratio look bad. Makes me kinda jealous of the thin bezel on the mini. Perhaps 4:3 AR is a better fit for small tablets? Note that they didn't mention anything about pixel density, because it doesn't help them. Only saying XGA res is the same as iPad 2 and apps don't have to be rewritten.
I only hope Google will take a hint and perhaps offer hybrid/tablet mode options on stock launcher in the future, as the nav buttons on bottom doesn't make efficient use of screen real estate.
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I find the bezel on the n7 *almost* too small as it is. I fairly frequently overlap my thumb on the touch screen and I wouldn't say my hands are particularly big!
Any smaller/narrower would be a problem personally...
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Honestly I really wasn't impressed with the iPad mini, seems a bit half assed. It's just an iPad 2 with a slightly smaller screen. The resolution is weak, and a they were bragging about a 4:3 aspect ratio... Ok? Is it the 90s again? The price is great... For an apple fanboy. From my perspective its pretty overpriced for such dated hardware. And with that aspect ratio and screen size is it really even smaller enough to have the convenience factor the nexus 7 has?
Sadly, it'll outsell our tablet just because of that apple logo. But I still can't think "is this the best you got apple?". It was pretty much their ego on display.
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Personally I've always wanted the Nexus tablet to have a display somewhere around 8". I've had experience on the Asus eeePC 701, 7" netbook back in 2007 and I've always thought 7" was a bit too small for my taste. Of course this was with running desktop apps. But I just had to own Nexus tablet as it was just so tempting to play with. I'll just have to see what Google has in store for us on Oct. 29.

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Honestly I really wasn't impressed with the iPad mini, seems a bit half assed. It's just an iPad 2 with a slightly smaller screen. The resolution is weak, and a they were bragging about a 4:3 aspect ratio... Ok? Is it the 90s again? The price is great... For an apple fanboy. From my perspective its pretty overpriced for such dated hardware. And with that aspect ratio and screen size is it really even smaller enough to have the convenience factor the nexus 7 has?
Sadly, it'll outsell our tablet just because of that apple logo. But I still can't think "is this the best you got apple?". It was pretty much their ego on display.
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True it will sell cause of the apple logo. Like I told my wife I could put the apple logo on a leapfrog tablet for kids and call it the ipad 4 and dummies would be clamoring all over.

Yeah I figured they'd use retina and at least try to 1up the nexus 7s screen. I'll be fair in saying a 4:3 aspect ratio works in a 9.5 inch size but 16:9 seems perfect for a smaller tab imo. It was laughable that they seriously attacked the nexus 7 for its screen that had "less display area" in portrait mode. Really? Sure it does have less display but with its higher resolution and ppi everything will be clearer in that area.
Steve Jobs is rolling in his grave over this thing. It's so blatantly a "me too" product its pathetic!
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Apple market things 10/10 Build Quality 10/10 customer Support 10/10
PROBLEM IS IT'S APPLE.... Locked Down & Very Over Priced.
GOOGLE ANDROID. 11/10
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The thing is, I am using my N7 mostly in portrait mode. This way I see more of a website.
I watch movies and play games in landscape mode and again I will see more than on a 4:3 screen.
The media world standard is 16:9 when will Apple learn?
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[Q] Nook HD+ for school

I'm sorry if this is a super noob question but please bare with me. I am looking into purchasing a Nook HD+ with the primary intent being use as I finish up undergraduate and (hopefully) enter medical school. Does the 8.9 inch screen allow for adequately viewing textbook PDF pages? I have a Kindle Fire (1st generation) that is ok but the pages display incredibly tiny text and make reading a textbook a pain. Is 8.9 inches big enough for this or is 10.1 the only truly viable option? The last question I have is does the device allow for annotation with a stylus? Additionally, does any tablet (non-iPad/Surface) scream "FOR STUDENTS" that would be a significantly better investment?
A tangential question is will the device do screen capture?
Thank you so much for any replies.

dude101589 said:
I'm sorry if this is a super noob question but please bare with me. I am looking into purchasing a Nook HD+ with the primary intent being use as I finish up undergraduate and (hopefully) enter medical school. Does the 8.9 inch screen allow for adequately viewing textbook PDF pages? I have a Kindle Fire (1st generation) that is ok but the pages display incredibly tiny text and make reading a textbook a pain. Is 8.9 inches big enough for this or is 10.1 the only truly viable option? The last question I have is does the device allow for annotation with a stylus? Additionally, does any tablet (non-iPad/Surface) scream "FOR STUDENTS" that would be a significantly better investment?
A tangential question is will the device do screen capture?
Thank you so much for any replies.
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It will depend on your eyes. I have no trouble reading PDFs on the screen but you may or may not like it. You could buy one they allow you return it for a few days after buying if you don't like it. You can do screenshots but I am not sure how I saw it mentioned it elsewhere but can't find it now.

I can tell you what I know. I have the HD+ and I use it to read my Programming text book. I don't have the greatest eyes, but my PDF of my textbook works out great when I wear my reading glasses. It's very convenient. I wouldn't even think to attempt it on anything smaller.
I had a 10.1 transformer infinity before this and I couldn't tell the difference from the 9 to the 10.1 and vice versa. I think the resolution is the biggest help. Just really clears up those words.
I can't speak for your other questions...

dude101589 said:
... Does the 8.9 inch screen allow for adequately viewing textbook PDF pages? I have a Kindle Fire (1st generation) that is ok but the pages display incredibly tiny text and make reading a textbook a pain. Is 8.9 inches big enough for this or is 10.1 the only truly viable option? The last question I have is does the device allow for annotation with a stylus? Additionally, does any tablet (non-iPad/Surface) scream "FOR STUDENTS" that would be a significantly better investment?
A tangential question is will the device do screen capture?
Thank you so much for any replies.
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I am coming from a Nook Color, still unrooted, running Gingerbread from an SD card. I had this little beauty while working toward my degree in Electrical Engineering. I have also recently purchased a pair of HD+'s for a Fathers day/Mothers day gift. My bride has the Asus T700 10.1 screen.
So, with this background experience, I'll offer my 2c worth.
When the PDF is not flowable, another words if you zoom in you have to scroll back and forth to read it, it can be a serious issue. Unfortunately, most eText books are this way at the moment. I prefer the 9.8 screen. When you are reading a book in a chair or room where you have to hold the reader in your arm, the Asus T700 weighs a ton after 20 minutes.
I've loved my 7" Nook Color, small enough to fit in a backpack with several other books and shtuff, large enough to read most texts without scrolling (only scroll for non-flowable PDF's so far) and light enough to hold for long periods of time.
I love the fact it has an expandable MicroSD card slot. Like I mentioned, I'm running two OS's on it, stock B&N (Which I haven't actually used for almost a year now) and Cyanogen Gingerbread. I have too much information to risk updating the OS and possibly losing something at the moment so I have not upgraded yet.
I bought the HD+'s for $149 and B&N has a two-year full coverage warranty for $60. You get it wet, drop if off the roof of the car, use it to support the leg of the chair you are sitting on, whatever the reason, it's covered.
The Asus T700 was in the $500 range when we bought it, and the HD+'s weight a fraction of what the T700 weighs. There are stylus's you can purchase for roughly $15 that work great, in fact my bride uses one on her T700 constantly. As for screen capture, I've done it with the Gingerbread OS, and my bride has done it with the Asus, but I am not sure about the B&N OS. I would assume so as you now have access to the Google Play with the HD+.
So for a hair less than $250, you get an excellent unit with still top-of-the-line hardware, a two year full coverage warranty, a nice case, screen protector, an expansion slot capable of booting an alternate OS, and some expert coders on XDA that put OS's bootable from an SD here to assist and compliment the HD+. What more can you ask for?

Hangman_ said:
So, with this background experience, I'll offer my 2c worth.
When the PDF is not flowable, another words if you zoom in you have to scroll back and forth to read it, it can be a serious issue. Unfortunately, most eText books are this way at the moment. I prefer the 9.8 screen. When you are reading a book in a chair or room where you have to hold the reader in your arm, the Asus T700 weighs a ton after 20 minutes.
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I feel the weight of the Nook HD+ too but I can sustain the weight longer for about 90 minutes...a bit better than tf700. I bought tf700 for $600 as a gift to my dad and he felt it laggy probably due to poor io... I wish Nook HD+ were available back then. I could have saved $300. Reading PDF documents is still very inconvenient so I usually read those on a 23 inch PC screen....epub and mobi work great on the Nook HD+. I hope more books can be available in epub or mobi formats...

Reading PDFs is the main reason why I got the HD+. The main determinant is screen width (since you want to read in portrait to see the whole page). HD+ screen is 4.99" wide. For my eyes, I consider 4.5" and up as minimum acceptable for portrait reading for PDFs, which generally have complex layouts with non-reflowable text (for reflowable-text formats like epubs, it doesn't matter.) What's "acceptable" of course varies depending on your visual acuity.
I've made a list of screen widths for popular devices here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32118091). You can calculate widths for other devices from here (http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html). iPads, being 4:3, are the best for long-form reading, with the regular having the widest (ergo largest) screen, and the Mini being the most portable while having nearly the same width as the HD+.
Re: Screen capture - Don't know about stock firmware, but CM allows screenshots in Settings > System > Power Menu > Screenshot. There are also apps that do screenshots.
Legibility also depends on the PDF reader, and whether it allows cropping of border to allow for largest possible text. Below are two screen caps from ezPDF of a typical PDF textbook on HD+. The second is after double-tapping to auto-crop. The uncropped is (to me) borderline legible, but with eyestrain; the second is of course very legible.
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