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" they just really messed up the factory calibration"

No s***. After all the display hype I was stunned at the crap colors on this thing.
http://mashable.com/2012/07/24/google-nexus-7-display/
Thinking of returning and repurchasing in a few months.

I think their 'completely sold out' spin is really a back-to-the-drawing board on a few of these things.

rockky said:
No s***. After all the display hype I was stunned at the crap colors on this thing.
http://mashable.com/2012/07/24/google-nexus-7-display/
Thinking of returning and repurchasing in a few months.
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I bought one for my wife and the display looks fantastic. We use it to view pictures, play movies, games and read books and I'm impressed with the build quality of it and haven't had any of the issues some people have reported. For $200, no regrets.

I guess mine is defective. They failed to mess up the factory calibration and mine looks great.
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They said it's a calibration issue and that a software update will fix it.
Developers and modders, get hacking!
-Ara

just lou said:
I guess mine is defective. They failed to mess up the factory calibration and mine looks great.
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Lol, my display is great as well!
OP, it's a 200 dollar tablet, you're reading a review where they compare the n7 screen to the retina display on an ipad2.... Pull your head out of your ass.

Mine looks great.
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SoHaunted said:
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Lol, my display is great as well!
OP, it's a 200 dollar tablet, you're reading a review where they compare the n7 screen to the retina display on an ipad2.... Pull your head out of your ass.
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iPad2 has retina display?
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SoHaunted said:
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Lol, my display is great as well!
OP, it's a 200 dollar tablet, you're reading a review where they compare the n7 screen to the retina display on an ipad2.... Pull your head out of your ass.
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The price tag doesn't really have anything to do with the issue. And they compared it with a Galaxy Tab 7.0. The display really should look better than it does. I agree, seems like they messed up the calibration.
Here is my Nexus 7 (on the left) compared to my Nook Color (on the right). White saturation shouldn't be that bad.
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iPad2 has retina display?
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I don't know what the ipad2 has, I don't care for apple so I don't do my homework on their ****. I do know the ipad2 has the best screen though so comparing a budget tab screen to the ipad2 screen is pretty stupid.
Regardless, my n7 screen is more and adequate for my daily use, and and I think it looks great.
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All the people being defensive need to understand what this review is saying before leaping to the rescue. If the Nexus is good enough for you, that's fine. Your views on display quality are entirely subjective based on the best display you've had the fortune to use for any extended period of time. But what you are looking at is not just "what you get for $200", but a much better display hobbled by a stupid manufacturer error. Try and look beyond your post-purchase rationalization and maybe people can start caring enough to push an official response/solution to this.

Perhaps there are gradeA displays out there...not mine.
I think folks are either in denial....or rationalize it out via the $199 price.
For the resolution purported on this, my display is greatly disappointing...and I know the difference.
The calibration statement resonated immediately...I do think that's what's going on.
If dev's can mod it, great.

rockky said:
Perhaps there are gradeA displays out there...not mine.
I think folks are either in denial....or rationalize it out via the $199 price.
For the resolution purported on this, my display is greatly disappointing...and I know the difference.
The calibration statement resonated immediately...I do think that's what's going on.
If dev's can mod it, great.
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I think it's the denial.
I used to think Apple fanboys were bad... that is until I read the Nexus 7 forums, with many crossing the line from denial to delusional. When I write that small text rendering on the Nexus 7 is poorer than my 12" Windows laptop with 1280x800 resolution and ClearType on, I get 20 posts saying the Nexus 7 renders small text just as well as the retina Ipad or renders hundred page PDFs faster than the Ipad.
I just want a good product. $250 isn't chump change in this economy. Most of us wouldn't have bought a Chinese knockoff tablet for $250 if the reviews had said "craptastic colors, peeling screens, lose adhesive, insensitive touch screens." Think about that. So let's all be honest with ourselves.

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I don't know what the ipad2 has, I don't care for apple so I don't do my homework on their ****. I do know the ipad2 has the best screen though so comparing a budget tab screen to the ipad2 screen is pretty stupid.
Regardless, my n7 screen is more and adequate for my daily use, and and I think it looks great.
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If you don't do your homework on their **** then stop quoting false things. The iPad 2 has an awful screen. The iPad 3 has a nice screen. I know I'm splitting hairs but that was annoying
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If you don't do your homework on their **** then stop quoting false things. The iPad 2 has an awful screen. The iPad 3 has a nice screen. I know I'm splitting hairs but that was annoying
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exactly. Ipad 2 has exact same display and mediocre dpi as the Ipad 1. which I have. nexus 7 screen is way better. plus I won't take one bad review on the screen over the other countless ones praising it. there may be a few units out there with the color calibration off. but I'm sure majority of devices look fine, like mines. not worried about the comparison at all. I have multiple tablets and my nexus 7 looks good compared to others. its display is almost as good as my prime display(which was praised very highly). nexus 7 even has higher dpi than the prime. almost as much as the ipad3. nexus 7 display is better than the iPhone 4s so called retina display. this is based on dpi and how apple classifies a display being retina quality.

I'm very content with the Nexus 7's display with everything I've done far such as browsing, ebooks, movies, gaming, streaming YouTube, etc.
But now that I read about the issue all of the sudden everything has become worse so I'm going to RMA IT six times disregarding the fact that it's software correctable.

demandarin said:
nexus 7 display is better than the iPhone 4s so called retina display. this is based on dpi and how apple classifies a display being retina quality.
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More misinformation garbage from the fanboys.
Iphone 4s has 326dpi, or about 110 more dpi than Nexus 7.

So is this something that could be fixed with an OTA update?
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Dear OP,
NOBODY CARES.
Raymond Soneira spends all day calibrating $1000+ professional IPS displays, and uses them as a basis for comparison. His opinion on color reproduction on a budget consumer device is about as helpful as Montezemolo's opinion on how well a Prius handles corners.
It's $200. Deal with it.

If you want something to actually complain about get a transformer prime. Welcome to the world of asus
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Nexus 7 display looks quite bad!

Hi,
the display of our nexus 7 really is a shame for a google lead-device.
Look here:
http://www.displaymate.com/Tablet_7inch_ShootOut_1.htm
http://www.displaymate.com/news.html#8
http://www.zdnet.com/google-nexus-7-bright-image-compression-blamed-on-oem-incompetence-7000001450/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57479059-94/expert-claims-googles-nexus-7-display-has-flaws/
or here (left nexus 7 - right nook color):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1380397&stc=1&d=1349526183
The Nexus 7 has a very bad white saturation...
So hopefully these things will be fixed soon by Asus and Google. And hopefully these things are not hardware related..
PS: There is a further Problem with PRISM smartdimmer too (appears after watching full-screen movies).
This can be "fixed" resp. disabled by editing a config-file...but it doesn´t fix the bad quality over-all...
Very disappointing for a Google lead-device!

True.
The display, for me at least, is fine. You have to remember, Asus made this tablet in FOUR MONTHS. There's gonna be problems. I've read dozens
of threads about dead pixels, screen lift, screen ficker, bad replacements, ect. Mine, for example, has screen ficker, but it's not bad I just deal with it. Not everyone feels that way though. Also, Google sold this at a loss.

Considering how great I think my Nexus 7 display looks, the op is really over-generalizing.
Pixel density and color rendition I consider superb for a device in this class.
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Oh great, another thread with someone *****ing
Sent from my Nexus 7

I ride the light rail to work and frequently have people sit next to me that have competing devices, including iPad.
Before I'd read the articles, I was telling them how awesome the display was. And they would actually agree!
Then I read these articles and proceeded to stomp on my device and through it in the trash. Didn't matter what it looked like to me or even the owners of the competiton though about how vibrant and clear it was......
Just kidding, I still enjoy it very much and I used to own a Nook Color. I still can't see what the big deal is. Displaymate and the others have mentioned that the hardware is excellent for the display and that a color calibration is likely all that's required.
When that happens, I'll be like "holy cow!!!! Still can't see the big deal!"

Oh lordy this DisplayMate guy again with his graphs and charts.. Yeah he's doing what is called advertising his company by latching onto a hot item with unfounded negative opinions and "data" and it's working unfortunately because all you have to do in the tech field is claim you are an "expert" and anyone will put what you say to print. The N7 display looks absolutely fantastic and the DisplayMate guy is an idiot.

The first 4 links are about the same thing just from different places, I have no problems at all with my display and think it looks great.

styckx said:
Oh lordy this DisplayMate guy again with his graphs and charts.. Yeah he's doing what is called advertising his company by latching onto a hot item with unfounded negative opinions and "data" and it's working unfortunately because all you have to do in the tech field is claim you are an "expert" and anyone will put what you say to print. The N7 display looks absolutely fantastic and the DisplayMate guy is an idiot.
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Uh, no, he uses actual quantifiable data that tells you how the display performs technically. You may not care about the details, and the differences may not make a difference to you, but unless you have something to actually dispute the data, you're clearly the one being an idiot - you might as well be a flat heart her railing on someone and their fancy 'science' and stuff...

Coming from the 1st Fire, this screen looks amazing and runs great thus far. Very happy with my purchase.
Even compared to a new Fire and went with this and I am wrapped up quite a bit in the Amazon ecosystem.
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Before the n7 I was owning the iPad 3, I must say the n7
have almost nothing to compare to the iPad 3 Disaply(only display).
But I got my n7 and it's pretty good display, not the best but above average.

ffs

I was complimented on how nice the display on my Nexus 7 looked just 3 days ago by my boss, who is an electrical and software engineer and total technophile... I think the display looks quite good, the color reproduction is truer to life than the over-saturated AMOLED displays.
In fact the Nexus 7 is quite frequently praised for it's display by reviewers, such as this one:
http://reviews.cnet.com/google-nexus-7/
Packed with pixels, the Nexus 7's screen truly satisfies. Its 1,280x800-pixel-resolution screen delivers 1,024,000 pixels, giving it one of the highest pixel densities of any tablet. The bottom line: With a beautiful screen, fast performance, a comfortable design, and overall great media options, the Nexus 7 is easily the best 7-inch tablet available and one of the top tablets on the market.
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I think most people complaining about the display are either used to the unrealistic saturation of OLED displays, have defective units, or are trolls.
The Google Nexus 7 has a retina-class display (215 PPI). The Galaxy Tab has a 169 PPI display similar to the Kindle Fire and the Nook tablet. For consumers who like to read e-books on their tablet, the Nexus offers a sharper display.
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Here it is in an article about tablets with the best screens:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57406607-251/tablets-with-the-best-screens/
Yeah... it basically has the best display in it's class, I really don't understand what people are complaining about. I think the display looks fantastic, and I am not newbie to smart phones or tablets. If yours really looks so awful send it back for an exchange because it is defective.

masully84 said:
Oh great, another thread with someone *****ing
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Umm...it's a fricking forum....for, amoung other things, people dissatisfied in some way to express it.
If its too much for you, don't click the post.

The calibration isn't quite right. Hopefully a firmware update at some point can fix it. But I can understand people getting tired of this topic brought up repeatedly. This has been discussed quite a bit. And I've been critical of the poor calibration, but I would not say the screen looks bad at all. I think it looks good, it just could look better.

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The calibration isn't quite right. Hopefully a firmware update at some point can fix it.
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Yes i hope they will fix it soon. The upcoming iPad Mini surely will have a display comparable to the iPad3.
And it´s rumored price is under $ 300,- too. So ASUS really should catch up with it.
Compared to an iPad 3 the lower Pixel density and bad color saturation makes (especially small) texts harder to read on our Nexus 7.
Fonts on iPad 3 are very sharp and deep-black - on Nexus 7 they often (chrome, flipboard, in-app settings-menu) look kinda gray and blurred.
Just compare it to iPad 3 and you will see the difference. If you don´t know how good it can be you will say our Nexus 7 display is good.
But if you have seen what´s possible on iPad3 you will be disappointed of N7.
I know a lot of "fandroids" always would say N7 is the best and greatest - i like the N7 too - but some things are bad and I don´t whitewash it.

Greens (and by extension yellows and cyans) tend to look more washed out on the Nexus 7 than on most other displays I've seen.
But colors are still better than any AMOLED I've ever seen. I'd much rather have a similar IPS panel on my Galaxy Nexus with its slightly washed out colors than the AMOLED with it's exaggerated saturation.

Who cares, some people have too much free time to nitpick
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Bogdan-xd said:
Greens (and by extension yellows and cyans) tend to look more washed out on the Nexus 7 than on most other displays I've seen.
But colors are still better than any AMOLED I've ever seen. I'd much rather have a similar IPS panel on my Galaxy Nexus with its slightly washed out colors than the AMOLED with it's exaggerated saturation.
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That´s difficult .. AMOLED on Galaxy SIII for me looks a little better than our washed out IPS (especially on texts).
But IPS on iPAD tops N7 significantly (especially the whites, greens and blues).

What's all this about amoleds and "more accurate" color reproduction. Going between my gnex and my N7 is like night and day. I absolutely love how the colors are so rich and deep looking. Then going to my N7 the colors are "accurate" but look washed comparing the two. If there was a little more contrast on the N7 it would be perfect but things are just too bright, needs more dept and shadows.
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What's all this about amoleds and "more accurate" color reproduction. Going between my gnex and my N7 is like night and day. I absolutely love how the colors are so rich and deep looking. Then going to my N7 the colors are "accurate" but look washed comparing the two. If there was a little more contrast on the N7 it would be perfect but things are just too bright, needs more dept and shadows.
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The problem is that colors on N7 are not accurate at all.
Blue green and white for example are far off the sRGB standard.
And Gamma is too low...
look here:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nexus-7-test-jelly-bean,review-32494-5.html
or here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexus-7-review/3
color gamut is pretty bad especially compared to ipad3 (and upcoming ipad mini too ????)
according to this graphic the display (hardware?) can´t show all green and blue tones.
So we maybe will never see a softwareupdate which fixes our problem.

I thought the nexus 5 display is supposed to be the most accurate?

I remember reading an article saying the nexus 5 panel is the most accurate. Not sure if the picture can show it here but turquoise came out looking very blue.
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I remember reading an article saying the nexus 5 panel is the most accurate. Not sure if the picture can show it here but turquoise came out looking very blue.
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I think it's just the auto white balance adjusting for the lighting conditions. That's a camera issue, not a display issue.

adjust some settings in your camera app, its way off! unless you already adjusted them to look like this, then youre way off

Okay i'll try it again with my qx100. Your reasoning makes sense.
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Your logic is flawed. Nobody said the camera had perfect color reproduction.

Funny enough, I thought the same about the display. It actually really bothers me. I came from a Samsung Galaxy Nexus (CDMA). I had a couple short 1080p HD videos that I would play on that phone. Just like HD test videos. They looked great on that screen. So sharp and the color looked great on max brightness. The brighter the screen got the better the picture looked.
On this phone those same videos and others, too, look kind of grainy. Like the display should be a little smaller to get that sharp, crisp look. Turning the brightness all the way up just makes the grainy effect even worse. All of my HD videos have the same effect / look. I even turned on all of the warranty replacements I got. Same on 4 handsets. Kinda disappointed in the screen in that sense, but hey the phone was cheap.

RoyJ said:
Funny enough, I thought the same about the display. It actually really bothers me. I came from a Samsung Galaxy Nexus (CDMA). I had a couple short 1080p HD videos that I would play on that phone. Just like HD test videos. They looked great on that screen. So sharp and the color looked great on max brightness. The brighter the screen got the better the picture looked.
On this phone those same videos and others, too, look kind of grainy. Like the display should be a little smaller to get that sharp, crisp look. Turning the brightness all the way up just makes the grainy effect even worse. All of my HD videos have the same effect / look. I even turned on all of the warranty replacements I got. Same on 4 handsets. Kinda disappointed in the screen in that sense, but hey the phone was cheap.
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thats because samsung uses samoled screens. yes they are vivid and full of color, but they are more vivid and more colorful than in real life. where the n5 screen colors are more true to the colors in reality.

simms22 said:
thats because samsung uses samoled screens. yes they are vivid and full of color, but they are more vivid and more colorful than in real life. where the n5 screen colors are more true to the colors in reality.
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Agreed. It's just unfortunate that real life sucks.

I think this is a pointless thread
Flash Franco's kernel and adjust the color reproduction of your screen as per your liking..
Topic closed..
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Techimplant said:
I think this is a pointless thread
Flash Franco's kernel and adjust the color reproduction of your screen as per your liking..
Topic closed..
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You forgot to close the topic, Mr. Mod. I can still post.
If that's the case, maybe they should use the same kind of screen. My GNex was beautiful and I miss it. This display is just sub-par now that I really think about it. Comparing side by side with the HD videos...this is sad. Still love my N5, but I really miss that old screen. The N5 would have killed if it was the same
Edit: @ tech. Shutup lawlz, changing my gamma values, etc. Won't fix the grainy issue. Troll

RoyJ said:
You forgot to close the topic, Mr. Mod. I can still post.
If that's the case, maybe they should use the same kind of screen. My GNex was beautiful and I miss it. This display is just sub-par now that I really think about it. Comparing side by side with the HD videos...this is sad. Still love my N5, but I really miss that old screen. The N5 would have killed if it was the same
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Dont know about your N5 but my display is same as a HTC One ..and similar to my iPhone 5 as well ..coz ppi> 300 is all the same to naked eyes..
And if u r in love in with those pathetic over saturated amoled screens then nobody can help you..U should switch to a S4 or Note 3 or S5(will be unveiled tomorrow) as soon as possible..
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RoyJ said:
You forgot to close the topic, Mr. Mod. I can still post.
If that's the case, maybe they should use the same kind of screen. My GNex was beautiful and I miss it. This display is just sub-par now that I really think about it. Comparing side by side with the HD videos...this is sad. Still love my N5, but I really miss that old screen. The N5 would have killed if it was the same
Edit: @ tech. Shutup lawlz, changing my gamma values, etc. Won't fix the grainy issue. Troll
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I agree, accurate or not it's not a very good looking screen. On my computer monitor or TV I'll take accurate colors, but on my smartphone I much prefer bright, vivid colors. I really think LG/Google and N5 fanboys use "accuracy" as an excuse for such a subpar display. Between the washed out colors and poor viewing angles, it's easily the biggest disappointment with the N5.

Um not visible to the naked eye? Actually it is. I notice it. With my eyes. SMH lol. Why do some people argue JUST to argue? There is a noticeable difference to the naked eye 100%.
Just because you never used the screen, or are a huge fanboy isn't my problem. My Gnex (like 3 years old) displays HD videos as sharply as my 70" smart TV. My N5 (new) doesn't even come close. It looks grainy and pixelated.

I think u dont know anything about displays ..and I hope you are not comparing a HD video..hope those are "Full HD" videos ..
And one of the best hardware review site said this about the display of N5 ..Now I dont know whether YOU are more intelligent and knowledgeable or the guys at Anandtech... The problem is that u were using a phone thats generations old now
.and here is the review..a part of it:
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Um not visible to the naked eye? Actually it is. I notice it. With my eyes. SMH lol. Why do some people argue JUST to argue? There is a noticeable difference to the naked eye 100%.
Just because you never used the screen, or are a huge fanboy isn't my problem. My Gnex (like 3 years old) displays HD videos as sharply as my 70" smart TV. My N5 (new) doesn't even come close. It looks grainy and pixelated.
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The problem is that u dont know about pixels either..when u run a 720p video on a screen that has much less pixels built in then it would look fine..
But when u run at a 720p video on a screen whose resolution is 1080p then obviously it wont look that sharp..
i have a Dell Ultrasharp and thats one of the best monitors on the planet..so trust me I know how displays should be like..
EDIT: The reviewers at Anandtech said that the screen is even better than Note 3 ..and u are comparing it to a Galaxy Nexus
I think XDA membership should only be given to those people who have basic technical knowledge so that threads like this one can be avoided..
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Just because you buy a plane doesn't make you a pilot...
Obviously they are "full HD" lol. Use whatever tactics you would like to try to "prove" me wrong...
But the fact of the matter- the point I was trying to make, is
The galaxy nexus screen looks better to the naked eye than the n5 display does. Point blank period. Put the two side by side and it become obvious.
Who cares if I'm comparing n5 to a gnex??? Gnex looks better. Colors don't even look over saturated lol. Maybe that's because my gnex has a custom kernel with custom colors on it.
Okay so we took out the part of over saturation. So now pixelated effect. Gnex > n5.

RoyJ said:
Just because you buy a plane doesn't make you a pilot...
Obviously they are "full HD" lol. Use whatever tactics you would like to try to "prove" me wrong...
But the fact of the matter- the point I was trying to make, is
The galaxy nexus screen looks better to the naked eye than the n5 display does. Point blank period. Put the two side by side and it become obvious.
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you do realize that its a matter of taste, right? it might look better to you, but to someone else it might look like trash. "looks" isnt an accurate method to measure which is better, just like "feels" isnt an accurate way to measure temperature.

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It looks grainy and pixelated.
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Are we talking about the same phone here? LG's OLED screen on the G Flex is exactly as you describe.
Thankfully I haven't been tainted by OLED yet but I can safely say the Nexus 5's IPS LCD is of superior quality than my $400 BenQ 120Hz TN display from a few years back. Also much nicer to look at than the majority of 15" 1080p mobile screens you find in $900 laptops.
If you're rooted I think you can boost colour saturation which would somewhat mimic the look you're going for.

RoyJ said:
Just because you buy a plane doesn't make you a pilot...
Obviously they are "full HD" lol. Use whatever tactics you would like to try to "prove" me wrong...
But the fact of the matter- the point I was trying to make, is
The galaxy nexus screen looks better to the naked eye than the n5 display does. Point blank period. Put the two side by side and it become obvious.
Who cares if I'm comparing n5 to a gnex??? Gnex looks better. Colors don't even look over saturated lol. Maybe that's because my gnex has a custom kernel with custom colors on it.
Okay so we took out the part of over saturation. So now pixelated effect. Gnex > n5.
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Dude..N5 has a full RGB display..Amoleds dont.. The only little tiny tiny tiny issue with N5 display is that the colors are warm and so there is a slight yellow tint..and thats coz the gamma is set to 1.8 all across..
Now if you correct that gamma then the yellow tint will disappear..Right now my N5 has a gamma of 2.2 all across ..and 2.2-2.4 is the most accurate for any display in the world ..2.2 being the best
Now if you dont have any idea what I said then google is your friend..
And trust me u need it..u r in need of some serious knowledge..loads of it..
And now I cannot waste my knowledge and time with you any more..this conversation is over..
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simms22 said:
you do realize that its a matter of taste, right? it might look better to you, but to someone else it might look like trash. "looks" isnt an accurate method to measure which is better, just like "feels" isnt an accurate way to measure temperature.
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Whatever lol. I'm so done with this thread. I don't care how old a gnex is. It just looks better. Sure you are right, but as far as I'm concerned, that only has to do with the "color saturation levels".
I can watch the same video on both phones. Full HD. On my gnex, I can read the writing on paper money in movies. I can see designs / patterns in the iris of someones eyes. I can see every nook and cranny or the trunk of a tree.
On the N5 it just looks lower quality. I can see the color of someone's eyes but really no specific pattern. The picture isn't sharp enough. I can see a blurred image of what looks like text on money or papers on the N5.
Newer isn't always better lol

Display issue - pentile grid?

Got my N6 today and as soon as I powered on, noticed that I can see what looks like a faint grid like pattern on the display, vertical lines. Most noticeable with brighter colors, like white, etc. It's very faint, but noticeable. Is this normal, everyone else have this?

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Got my N6 today and as soon as I powered on, noticed that I can see what looks like a faint grid like pattern on the display, vertical lines. Most noticeable with brighter colors, like white, etc. It's very faint, but noticeable. Is this normal, everyone else have this?
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Is it dots in a grid or lines?
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It's not dots, more like linear streaks. Most noticeable with brightness set below 30%/

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It's not dots, more like linear streaks. Most noticeable with brightness set below 30%/
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Hmm not too sure to be honest.. Id gve it a couple weeks and wait till more info on the n6 is available.
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aimfire72 said:
It's not dots, more like linear streaks. Most noticeable with brightness set below 30%/
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I've noticed this on almost all phones I've had with Gorilla Glass.......something in the manufacture I think......normal as far as I know.
EDIT: NVM........duh......I forgot, that was the glass screen protectors. Maybe sensors??

It's not the glass, but the display itself... Used to be common with amoled displays, but that was a few years ago. From what I've been reading, the amoled panel used on Nexus 6 isn't exactly one of the best. I need to compare to a display model or something...

Sounds exactly like the digitizer too me, but I could be wrong. Haven't heard anyone else mention it. So either that or maybe u got a lemon? That's my best guess unfortunately

Nah, it's not the digitizer... Maybe I should explain better. It's not a straight grid, but rather a "plaid" design of very faint vertical and horizontal "streaks". It only shows up on certain colored backgrounds. You kind of have to look for it... More noticeable when brightness set to below 50% in a darker room. I dunno, maybe it's just the lesser quality amoled display panel they used on this. I think I really need to compare it with a display model maybe.

Is it that mura effect? If you go to an all black screen in a dark room do you see it?

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Is it that mura effect? If you go to an all black screen in a dark room do you see it?
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Lol, no... It's visible on light colored backgrounds.

it definitely sounds like amoled background texture.
it's just the nature of the beast. the pixels on amoled are not worn exactly at the same level and produce very minimal differences of light output from pixel to pixel. most people won't notice but it's there. as time gets by and pixels are worn more unevenly the effect because more pronounced. best way to check it out is putting a white background and play with brightness. at some levels, what should be totally white it has an inherent unchangeable pattern.
nexus 6 is not too bad but I guess it will get worse with time. watch out for burn in, it will happen. the note 4 is a next gen display and it's hard to see this effect at all.

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it definitely sounds like amoled background texture.
it's just the nature of the beast. the pixels on amoled are not worn exactly at the same level and produce very minimal differences of light output from pixel to pixel. most people won't notice but it's there. as time gets by and pixels are worn more unevenly the effect because more pronounced. best way to check it out is putting a white background and play with brightness. at some levels, what should be totally white it has an inherent unchangeable pattern.
nexus 6 is not too bad but I guess it will get worse with time. watch out for burn in, it will happen. the note 4 is a next gen display and it's hard to see this effect at all.
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Thanks, you nailed it. Do you see it on yours as well? The visibility definitely changes depending on the screen brightness and background color. With normal usage so far, I don't really notice it much, bit it's still there. Another way to describe it I guess is that it sort of looks like faint grayish "stains" on the back of the glass.

OK, set your brightness to around 50% and open up the Clock app... see anything? On mine, looks almost like someone took a wide paintbrush and dragged it down the screen, lots of dark vertical streaks. Anyone see that?

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OK, set your brightness to around 50% and open up the Clock app... see anything? On mine, looks almost like someone took a wide paintbrush and dragged it down the screen, lots of dark vertical streaks. Anyone see that?
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Do you think if you took a picture of the screen it would show up?

I'll try... Will have to do it with my tablet

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Thanks, you nailed it. Do you see it on yours as well? The visibility definitely changes depending on the screen brightness and background color. With normal usage so far, I don't really notice it much, bit it's still there. Another way to describe it I guess is that it sort of looks like faint grayish "stains" on the back of the glass.
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Yes, it's pretty obvious to me. I just noticed after two days of heavy use that burn-in has started right where the notification bar ends. Not very apparent but noticeable already after 48 hours of use. I can't imagine what this display would look like a year from now.... It's obvious Samsung if keeping their best AMOLEDs for themselves and this is 1-2 year old tech albeit with super high PPI. Between this super average display, average battery life but with premium price starting to think to sit this one out.

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Yes, it's pretty obvious to me. I just noticed after two days of heavy use that burn-in has started right where the notification bar ends. Not very apparent but noticeable already after 48 hours of use. I can't imagine what this display would look like a year from now.... It's obvious Samsung if keeping their best AMOLEDs for themselves and this is 1-2 year old tech albeit with super high PPI. Between this super average display, average battery life but with premium price starting to think to sit this one out.
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So you do have the N6? Are you thinking of sending it back? I might... after I compare to a display model at T-Mobile just to see. Here are some shots I took...The photos make it look worse than it actually is in person, but this is pretty much what I'm dealing with.
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So you do have the N6? Are you thinking of sending it back? I might... after I compare to a display model at T-Mobile just to see. Here are some shots I took...The photos make it look worse than it actually is in person, but this is pretty much what I'm dealing with.View attachment 3024612
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Yeah, the Nexus 6 is a bag of compromises. If it's your first Nexus device it will feel quite nice. I have a Nexus 5 and frankly, after Lollipop the Nexus 5 feels like new. Sure battery life sucks, but N6 is not that much better. I really like the screen of the Nexus 5, accurate colors and no burn-in problems.
The display of the Nexus 6 is a pain point for me. I'm trying of giving it a chance, but it's starting to feel like a let down.. Have you seen the display of the iPhone 6+ or the LG3? they are amazing LCD displays. Just more accurate colors and none of the AMOLED issues. I wish the N6 had one like that. I'd be sold if it did.

I really didn't like the display on the G3, lol. I do have a Galaxy Tab S 10.5 and screen is amazing, blows away N6. The only thing holding me back on Note 4 right now is Touchwiz... such a shame they went with this display on the N6, it's otherwise super fast and Lollipop is great... but these lines already driving me nuts and hard to justify spending 650 on a phone with this screen. Ugh... compromise is right. Need to think on this one.

I'm getting concerned now. The description of a "faint grid like pattern on the display" sounds like what the galaxy nexus suffered from and it looks horrible at low brightness levels.
For me a screen with "issues" is a major turn off as for me the screen is the most important thing, and unfortunately it seems like the one used in the nexus 6 has too many compromises.
I just don't want another samsung device
I was so happy with the thought of a 6" amoled display with stero front facing speakers and stock android as the icing on the cake and now all this.
Initially I thought the nexus 6 display was just less bright than the note 4 which I could have lived with but as I do a lot of viewing in the dark at low brightness levels the graininess and grid like patterns with streaking etc will be too much for me

Anyone Else Disappointed with Gear Image Quality?

Having spent way too many hours trying to perfect my own DIY HMD, I thought I'd found the solution: I could just buy a Note 4, buy a Gear, and be done with it ( at least until the Rift is released).
Got my Gear today, and ... I can't get over how poor the image quality is. It's not the Note 4 screen, which is fine, it's the lenses on the Gear. When I look at a screen capture on my HMD (using the Note 4 as a screen), and then look at it on the Gear, the same image seems drastically different: zoomed in, with pixels the size of baseballs drowning out all sense of immersion. I tried a 1080p video on the Oculus Theater ... it was so pixelated it reminded me of watching videos on my old psp ...
In every other respect the Gear beats my DIY HMD hands down, but in this one--I would argue very important area--it absolutely does not.
Am I the only one who had this experience?

I agree with you that the image quality is still not good enough to replace mediums like a TV or monitor. This is for sure one reason why it will not find mass adoption right now. You must understand that this are really early days of consumer VR now and until today there is no "real" consumer ready HMD on the market.
ad. Gear VR lenses:
They really could have used better optics but then the price would be not "consumer friendly" then - also the DK2 lenses are crap in my opinion but it seems the market for good vr optics also just have been awaken.
I remember my first VR experience was with a homemade cardboard-design HMD using good lenses from high grade binoculars. They were heavy (as glass made) and the achieved FOV was not really great but it was crystal clear and nearly zero SDE. When i got my DK2 i was really disappointed to see this big pixel party! But realizing what a great FOV and the right software can achieve (a kind of presence) i knew we have to go for great FOV if VR should be a new medium and not only a image/movie viewer.

Thanks for the detailed response!
I think Samsung/Oculus tipped the balance WAY too far toward FOV at the expense of SDE.

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Thanks for the detailed response!
I think Samsung/Oculus tipped the balance WAY too far toward FOV at the expense of SDE.
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Personally I prefer a larger FOV, and think you get the best experience with the foams removed (only have some on my nose). Would never choose a smaller FOV just for slightly less of a SDE as that would totally kill the immersion for me. Hoping for 4K full RGB screens in two years time.

Agree with you
I for one absolutely agree with you. got mine 2 days ago and yeah the experience is nice but the image quality is fuzzy or blurry, it would be nice if someone can mod a lens on to the Gear VR to sharpen the quality.
my question: is this issue addressed in the upcoming drift in 2016?
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Having spent way too many hours trying to perfect my own DIY HMD, I thought I'd found the solution: I could just buy a Note 4, buy a Gear, and be done with it ( at least until the Rift is released).
Got my Gear today, and ... I can't get over how poor the image quality is. It's not the Note 4 screen, which is fine, it's the lenses on the Gear. When I look at a screen capture on my HMD (using the Note 4 as a screen), and then look at it on the Gear, the same image seems drastically different: zoomed in, with pixels the size of baseballs drowning out all sense of immersion. I tried a 1080p video on the Oculus Theater ... it was so pixelated it reminded me of watching videos on my old psp ...
In every other respect the Gear beats my DIY HMD hands down, but in this one--I would argue very important area--it absolutely does not.
Am I the only one who had this experience?
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To be very very honest, Im not disappointed about it at all. The tech is really young, the Note4 was only compatible with the innovator and development editions of the hardware. I cant comment on the quality improvement between the devices. But with a Note5 and a consumer version, Im getting exactly what I thought id be getting. Very bleeding edge technology that hasn't even gotten off the runway but is far ahead than anything else on the consumer market today.

Remember this: 100$ ..................... if you want something better, the next step is 600$ and only in march.
Also, this is technically not even an official 1st gen device. It's a slightly better draft than the slightly better draft of the previous editions. I think oculus and samsung partnered to use Galaxy users as a sort of Beta test. This technology obviously is the future, but as of now, its still a foetus. I have a Note 5, one of the most powerful smartphones in the world, and yet, the VR uses 98% of the phones performance. The battery drains within 1h practically and it generates so much heat it would probably keep your coffee warm in winter.
I bought one of the best rated VR headsets on amazon as a gift for my nephew, it cost me half of what my GearVR cost me, and it doesnt even come close to offer what Samsung does. The ONLY thing it does better, it it has almost no light leak. Thats also the only thing i can ***** about the GearVR, i would have liked a black background around lenses and thicker padding around face, or at least, an extra strip of padding we can patch the light leaks (also a carrying bag would have been nice even if it was cheap).
This GearVR sould have been called the "Early Bird Edition". We all are early adopters, I can tell you one thing, for 100$, I have impressed 100% of the people that put the headset on, and not only impressed, amazed. And 3 weeks later, i'm still being impressed by the new thing I find I can do, explore or play.
As for the pixels, it would take an 8K screen 3 inches from our face to not see them. I didnt know this until recently when the app froze on me but out the the entire screen realestate, only a very small portion is used for a majority of content. So yeah, that 1080p content you are watching, not exactly trueHD
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I might have made it a bit small, but not by much.
P.S. Not a big fan of the super mega studio adult films, but they have actually some of the highest quality videos out there, there are some samples floating around, its quite impressive.

Over the moon with mine, can watch full length movies with ease Tonto being one of them, battery no problem here with an s6 edge plus, but use mine on wifi only usually, and I have facebook blather and g+ disabled, and nothing polling ,email etc. all on manual , usually use unit at 4 to 5 on its brightness slide ,not aware of any light leak in my experience.
Everyone without exception who has tried it is blown away, I own my favourite phone anyway and then this appears, an accessory for $99 with this level of experience, if you are fortunate to be able to afford it without neglecting your life and dependants needs.......who wouldn't . If apple had released this exact same item with their logo ,the media would have eaten it alive with cream and the public would too, and, when they do, they will, we all
know this is in its infancy, but its a great place to be, the next advance in screen resolution will nail it, when your looking at a 25 foot screen with the clarity of a samsung big tv quality ,you, entertainment wise, have arrived.
plus, keep em like new guys, when it comes time to upgrade, this will practically sell your phone for you...maybe. lol.

Love mine too. Have had it since the day after Thanksgiving, and still using it a lot daily. There is a "screen door effect" to it, but the resolution is still clear and bright on movies. I put on some 3D movies last week, and they look great, and are easy to watch. Games like Herobound and Gunjack are also stunning and extremely fun with a controller to play. Samsung Internet browser is great, but don't count on all content to be great quality. There are some good 3D video samples on Youtube through the browser though. Also just looked through some Experiences in the Oculus Video app tonight, like going to the Electric Daisy Carnival. Again, quality of that video not great, but still a fun experience to see what it would be like to be there.

SDE is overpowering and both sides of the screen out of focus - in my experience. Its a cool toy but nothing I would use for any length of time. This is with the Note 5.
That being said, the tech should probably be good in a year or so.