Having spent way too many hours trying to perfect my own DIY HMD, I thought I'd found the solution: I could just buy a Note 4, buy a Gear, and be done with it ( at least until the Rift is released).
Got my Gear today, and ... I can't get over how poor the image quality is. It's not the Note 4 screen, which is fine, it's the lenses on the Gear. When I look at a screen capture on my HMD (using the Note 4 as a screen), and then look at it on the Gear, the same image seems drastically different: zoomed in, with pixels the size of baseballs drowning out all sense of immersion. I tried a 1080p video on the Oculus Theater ... it was so pixelated it reminded me of watching videos on my old psp ...
In every other respect the Gear beats my DIY HMD hands down, but in this one--I would argue very important area--it absolutely does not.
Am I the only one who had this experience?
I agree with you that the image quality is still not good enough to replace mediums like a TV or monitor. This is for sure one reason why it will not find mass adoption right now. You must understand that this are really early days of consumer VR now and until today there is no "real" consumer ready HMD on the market.
ad. Gear VR lenses:
They really could have used better optics but then the price would be not "consumer friendly" then - also the DK2 lenses are crap in my opinion but it seems the market for good vr optics also just have been awaken.
I remember my first VR experience was with a homemade cardboard-design HMD using good lenses from high grade binoculars. They were heavy (as glass made) and the achieved FOV was not really great but it was crystal clear and nearly zero SDE. When i got my DK2 i was really disappointed to see this big pixel party! But realizing what a great FOV and the right software can achieve (a kind of presence) i knew we have to go for great FOV if VR should be a new medium and not only a image/movie viewer.
Thanks for the detailed response!
I think Samsung/Oculus tipped the balance WAY too far toward FOV at the expense of SDE.
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Thanks for the detailed response!
I think Samsung/Oculus tipped the balance WAY too far toward FOV at the expense of SDE.
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Personally I prefer a larger FOV, and think you get the best experience with the foams removed (only have some on my nose). Would never choose a smaller FOV just for slightly less of a SDE as that would totally kill the immersion for me. Hoping for 4K full RGB screens in two years time.
Agree with you
I for one absolutely agree with you. got mine 2 days ago and yeah the experience is nice but the image quality is fuzzy or blurry, it would be nice if someone can mod a lens on to the Gear VR to sharpen the quality.
my question: is this issue addressed in the upcoming drift in 2016?
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Having spent way too many hours trying to perfect my own DIY HMD, I thought I'd found the solution: I could just buy a Note 4, buy a Gear, and be done with it ( at least until the Rift is released).
Got my Gear today, and ... I can't get over how poor the image quality is. It's not the Note 4 screen, which is fine, it's the lenses on the Gear. When I look at a screen capture on my HMD (using the Note 4 as a screen), and then look at it on the Gear, the same image seems drastically different: zoomed in, with pixels the size of baseballs drowning out all sense of immersion. I tried a 1080p video on the Oculus Theater ... it was so pixelated it reminded me of watching videos on my old psp ...
In every other respect the Gear beats my DIY HMD hands down, but in this one--I would argue very important area--it absolutely does not.
Am I the only one who had this experience?
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To be very very honest, Im not disappointed about it at all. The tech is really young, the Note4 was only compatible with the innovator and development editions of the hardware. I cant comment on the quality improvement between the devices. But with a Note5 and a consumer version, Im getting exactly what I thought id be getting. Very bleeding edge technology that hasn't even gotten off the runway but is far ahead than anything else on the consumer market today.
Remember this: 100$ ..................... if you want something better, the next step is 600$ and only in march.
Also, this is technically not even an official 1st gen device. It's a slightly better draft than the slightly better draft of the previous editions. I think oculus and samsung partnered to use Galaxy users as a sort of Beta test. This technology obviously is the future, but as of now, its still a foetus. I have a Note 5, one of the most powerful smartphones in the world, and yet, the VR uses 98% of the phones performance. The battery drains within 1h practically and it generates so much heat it would probably keep your coffee warm in winter.
I bought one of the best rated VR headsets on amazon as a gift for my nephew, it cost me half of what my GearVR cost me, and it doesnt even come close to offer what Samsung does. The ONLY thing it does better, it it has almost no light leak. Thats also the only thing i can ***** about the GearVR, i would have liked a black background around lenses and thicker padding around face, or at least, an extra strip of padding we can patch the light leaks (also a carrying bag would have been nice even if it was cheap).
This GearVR sould have been called the "Early Bird Edition". We all are early adopters, I can tell you one thing, for 100$, I have impressed 100% of the people that put the headset on, and not only impressed, amazed. And 3 weeks later, i'm still being impressed by the new thing I find I can do, explore or play.
As for the pixels, it would take an 8K screen 3 inches from our face to not see them. I didnt know this until recently when the app froze on me but out the the entire screen realestate, only a very small portion is used for a majority of content. So yeah, that 1080p content you are watching, not exactly trueHD
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I might have made it a bit small, but not by much.
P.S. Not a big fan of the super mega studio adult films, but they have actually some of the highest quality videos out there, there are some samples floating around, its quite impressive.
Over the moon with mine, can watch full length movies with ease Tonto being one of them, battery no problem here with an s6 edge plus, but use mine on wifi only usually, and I have facebook blather and g+ disabled, and nothing polling ,email etc. all on manual , usually use unit at 4 to 5 on its brightness slide ,not aware of any light leak in my experience.
Everyone without exception who has tried it is blown away, I own my favourite phone anyway and then this appears, an accessory for $99 with this level of experience, if you are fortunate to be able to afford it without neglecting your life and dependants needs.......who wouldn't . If apple had released this exact same item with their logo ,the media would have eaten it alive with cream and the public would too, and, when they do, they will, we all
know this is in its infancy, but its a great place to be, the next advance in screen resolution will nail it, when your looking at a 25 foot screen with the clarity of a samsung big tv quality ,you, entertainment wise, have arrived.
plus, keep em like new guys, when it comes time to upgrade, this will practically sell your phone for you...maybe. lol.
Love mine too. Have had it since the day after Thanksgiving, and still using it a lot daily. There is a "screen door effect" to it, but the resolution is still clear and bright on movies. I put on some 3D movies last week, and they look great, and are easy to watch. Games like Herobound and Gunjack are also stunning and extremely fun with a controller to play. Samsung Internet browser is great, but don't count on all content to be great quality. There are some good 3D video samples on Youtube through the browser though. Also just looked through some Experiences in the Oculus Video app tonight, like going to the Electric Daisy Carnival. Again, quality of that video not great, but still a fun experience to see what it would be like to be there.
SDE is overpowering and both sides of the screen out of focus - in my experience. Its a cool toy but nothing I would use for any length of time. This is with the Note 5.
That being said, the tech should probably be good in a year or so.
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My father's looking to buy an HDTV and I have no clue to help him so we both don't really know what to buy.
We have a 0-1400$ budget (Canadian dollar) for a 42" display. (0 would be an acceptable price)
Here are my question:
-I'll occasionnaly play Xbox 360 on it (not much tho, I got my 15" for that )
-We don't have any HD stuff right now
-He wishes to plug his laptop on it
-What else do we need to watch for?
Well you need to think about if you want plasma or LCD. I just bought a 47 inch LCD 1080p HDTV and love it.
Since you dont have any HD products except the xbox 360 you should look for something that does 720p which also will be in your budget. I would go with LCD and look for a 5 ms refresh rate or lower. I got a LG, it stood out in the store so much and I love it!
He wants 1080p, 42 inches and quality.
I tried explaining him about 720p, but he wants 1080p. I guess the only thing we really need is quality and something to plug his computer on it (either laptop just for fun or desktop as a media station).
If you are going to use it as a PC monitor, then LCD is the only choice to consider. I was shopping for a new monitor to augment my PC's dinky 17" at Fry's, and some how I ended up with this:
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It is a 40" 720p on sale for $999. I was told that 1080p is great, but there isn't enough 1080 content available to justify it. Also remember this, up close flat screen TVs look like crap. The bigger you go, the farther back you need to be from it to view it.
lcd vs. plasma
plasma have burn in which is bad if it happens there is nothing one can do
plasma give a imho better image colour and contrast
but also use alot more power then lcd
personaly i'm contemplating getting this one
http://www.samsung.com/uk/products/television/tftlcd/le26r86bdxxec.asp
like how it looks
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lcd vs. plasma
plasma have burn in which is bad if it happens there is nothing one can do
plasma give a imho better image colour and contrast
but also use alot more power then lcd
personaly i'm contemplating getting this one
http://www.samsung.com/uk/products/television/tftlcd/le26r86bdxxec.asp
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When I was at Best Buy looking at HDTV's for about 2 hours I would say LCD's looks MUCH better then plasmas especially with high action programs.
OP, if you want a true 1080p TV you better bump up your weak budget if you want a decent TV
Don't forget about DLP.
I know there are a lot of people who say no, but if you truly compare and shop around it gives you the most bang for the buck and you can hook up you computer, xbox and laptop to it. I have a Samsung and it gives a great picture running 1080i and it is 1080p capable.
Tigerdirect.com has some great prices on new HDTV's. I have had a very positive experience working with them. Best Buy and Circuit City will sell you the world when you are there and then they don't honor 3/4 of what they sold you (in terms of price plans and warrrantees). In most cases, the manufacturers(sp?) warranty will cover what you need it to and will even send someone out to work on the tv locally.
That said, I would include DLP in your search because it definitely fits your price range. DLP are only like 12-16 inches thick in their largest spot. If you're buying a big screen, its definitely going to be a prominant piece of furniture in the room so whats a foot off the wall vs. 3 inches....
I sell these things for a living so I think I may be of some help to you.
From the things that you are wanting to do, I think DLP would be the best choice for you.
They make excellent computer monitors. I have a PC hooked up to mine at home and it looks fantastic.
The response time is extremely fast. Much better than what LCD can offer. This will help alot when watching sports, racing or playing video games. Video games on LCD TV's often look blurry when there is a lot of action going on-screen. The only downfall to DLP is that it has a bulb that you must replace every 3 or 4 years. The bulbs pricing will range anywhere from 3-400 dollars depending on the set. Beware of the new Samsung DLP's. They have a bowing problem that I have seen with almost every one I have sold. Because of that, I have switched to Mitsubishi and they are performing really well.
If you must go flat panel, you are pretty much stuck with LCD. If you use a plasma, he could suffer burn in with a static image from his laptop. LCD's have a very long lifespan, but have unnatural colors and lower contrast than DLP's and Plasmas. They are also the slowest of all of the technologies. If you do go LCD, beware of the cheapies. They may look great in the store, but they are a lower quality panel, and will not last as long. Many people who have bought Vizios are finding out now that very thing. Look at Toshiba, Samsung or Panasonic.
PM me if you have any questions.
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When I was at Best Buy looking at HDTV's for about 2 hours I would say LCD's looks MUCH better then plasmas especially with high action programs.
OP, if you want a true 1080p TV you better bump up your weak budget if you want a decent TV
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LCD's are overly bright. They look the best on a showroom floor because of the bright, vivid colors.
When I look for a tv, I look for the one with the most true to life picture.
In ranking pictures of TV's as far as realism goes, the best is plasma, followed by DLP, then LCD.
Rudegar said:
lcd vs. plasma
plasma have burn in which is bad if it happens there is nothing one can do
plasma give a imho better image colour and contrast
but also use alot more power then lcd
personaly i'm contemplating getting this one
http://www.samsung.com/uk/products/television/tftlcd/le26r86bdxxec.asp
like how it looks
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I got that with the black bezel and it's beautiful. Very good picture. 1080i and 720p, though, no 1080p.
Back in March I purchased a Sony Bravia V-Series KDL-46V2500 46inch LCD TV and never looked back. I found his 26inch little brother for my bedroom.
xbox 360, DVD Movies HDTV all look brilliant on both of them. I've never experienced any blur effect with our xbox and there is a lot happeneing in Halo 3.
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Back in March I purchased a Sony Bravia V-Series KDL-46V2500 46inch LCD TV and never looked back. I found his 26inch little brother for my bedroom.
xbox 360, DVD Movies HDTV all look brilliant on both of them. I've never experienced any blur effect with our xbox and there is a lot happeneing in Halo 3.
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that sucks
With my 47 inch 1080p LCD I am experiencing a little lag, not blur. Its pretty annoying when your trying to play because when the controls are of 4-5 ms it does change how you play. No fun right now
What do you have your xbox set to output the HD at?
I've used both 480 & 720, saw no real diff so I left it at 480 everythings blazing fast.
I think the blur problem is the xbox not the LCD TVs.
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that sucks
With my 47 inch 1080p LCD I am experiencing a little lag, not blur. Its pretty annoying when your trying to play because when the controls are of 4-5 ms it does change how you play. No fun right now
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What do you have your xbox set to output the HD at?
I've used both 480 & 720, saw no real diff so I left it at 480 everythings blazing fast.
I think the blur problem is the xbox not the LCD TVs.
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I have it at the highest the 360 can go, 720p I wish I had the elite but Im not doing that cause my 360 now is modded and its good enough minus the lag
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I have it at the highest the 360 can go, 720p I wish I had the elite but Im not doing that cause my 360 now is modded and its good enough minus the lag
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I have the elite, not sure it was worth the price diff though.
Try stepping the HD output down to 480 and see if you still have the lag issue.
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I have the elite, not sure it was worth the price diff though.
Try stepping the HD output down to 480 and see if you still have the lag issue.
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Will do, I will try that tomorrow!
Hi guys.
What is the difference betwean FULL HD and HDready?
Best HDTV
I have Olevia. Was middle priced but runs like the pro's.
Typically HD ready means that the TV doesn't include an off-air HD tuner inside. You would need a seperate tuner to receive local HD channels. Full HD means that the TV supports 1080p.
So, basically, I'm in the market for a new phone. For a long time I've scavenged the interwebs for all the 'needy info'. But we all know that the black hole called the internet is treacherous... Millions of opinions that seem to do nothing else but contradict each other.
The problem we call black crush. It's doing my head in, as I don't know what to believe anymore. Does every GNote suffer from it and how bad is the problem? After the ICS upgrade, that is. Also, where does this problem occur (video playback, photos/ web)? Certain movie formats/codecs (low quality xvid vs h264mkv for example?) I like to watch movies on my phone, so it's a big thing for me.
I'm deciding between the GNote and the Gnex (not sure if the Gnex suffers from the same issue)...
So, bottom line, does every GNote suffer from this problem and how bad is the problem realistically? (A lot of stuff gets greatly exaggerated on the web sometimes...)
Thanks for your time.
In my opinion problem is huge, and yet no fix from Samsung. I'm the same way I love watching movies on the phone especially on gnote's big screen but black crush issue totally ruins it. Everytime there is dark scene I get so distracted by all the pixellations, it's really hideous. Funny thing is I don't ever see this problem viewing pictures (do notice pixellation on wallpapers though) or games, only movies... It's really a shame. I have tried every types of movie formats, nothing works. ICS update did improve color banding but that's about it.
I have heard gnex has same screen issues but I can't tell for sure since I don't own one. If I were you I would get galaxy s3 or wait till gnote2.
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So, basically, I'm in the market for a new phone. For a long time I've scavenged the interwebs for all the 'needy info'. But we all know that the black hole called the internet is treacherous... Millions of opinions that seem to do nothing else but contradict each other.
The problem we call black crush. It's doing my head in, as I don't know what to believe anymore. Does every GNote suffer from it and how bad is the problem? After the ICS upgrade, that is. Also, where does this problem occur (video playback, photos/ web)? Certain movie formats/codecs (low quality xvid vs h264mkv for example?) I like to watch movies on my phone, so it's a big thing for me.
I'm deciding between the GNote and the Gnex (not sure if the Gnex suffers from the same issue)...
So, bottom line, does every GNote suffer from this problem and how bad is the problem realistically? (A lot of stuff gets greatly exaggerated on the web sometimes...)
Thanks for your time.
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Time for one of those contradictions! I have had Note since last November and never had pixelation issues (black crush) on GB or ICS. I do see some of the greyish wash on shadows, but found that turning off the option for Outdoor Visibility in the video settings solved most of that.
So I am one of the lucky ones, others have had issues and have posted on youtube about the problem.
I watch lots of movies and would recommend the Note. Best thing for you to do is to go to your local phone store and try it. It does seem that some screens are better than others so if you purchase from a local store you can try the phone first and return it if it doesn't work to your satisfaction.
I've had my Note for about a week, and I'm loving it!
About the Black Crush problem I, myself can only see it in low quality files in both GB and ICS. I'm currently watching 720p episodes of Rome and I cannot see any black crush, I also watched a couple of Game of Thrones 1080i files without any problem at all. In fact, I rather watch it on my note screen than my 46" Panasonic Plasma since the colors is so vibrant and everything is super-sharp!
TL;DR Black crush is noticeable on low quality files & youtube clips. Not on high quality files such as 720p or higher nor on, for example The Hobbit trailer on Youtube.
I've read so much about this, yet, I have no problems at all with anything people are describing. I am on Asylum ICS (a CM9 based ROM).
Try viewing this image on your gnote. Most people with black crush issues will be able to see 4-21 with no gradual gradations. 0-3 is pitch black.
On normal screen, you be able to see gradual gradations 1-21, 0 being pure black.
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it might not be on every galaxy note
but its in a lot of them
if watching movies is important to you i wouldnt recommend buying Gnote
until now there are no evidence (video) to prove that the note doesnt have this problem
only people in forums who say they dont have wich is not a solid proof
Never had any problem! As earlier stated it only occurs sometimes with v bad quality media!
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it might not be on every galaxy note
but its in a lot of them
if watching movies is important to you i wouldnt recommend buying Gnote
until now there are no evidence (video) to prove that the note doesnt have this problem
only people in forums who say they dont have wich is not a solid proof
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Careful buddy! You are bordering on being offensive - saying that those of us that are happy with our video quality don't know what we are talking about.
I watch around 90 minutes of video every week day on public transport and have never had an issue - that's over 200 hours and many TV shows and movies of varying quality - but usually HD - with no conversion.
As I posted above - best to check out the phone at a local store - you can make your own mind up then. I would recommend this phone to anyone that is not concerned about it's size. Each to his own.
I had 4 notes and seen 3 others. These all had black crush. The 2 latest notes made in march this year have a 90 % improvement. During normal use in day or under normal lighting to dim lighting the left side has a gradually decline black. You cannot tell their is an issue. In pitch black it still cuts off at 4. The old notes were clear to see the cut off even during normal lighting. I think they Must have sorted the issue In the newest notes but I could be wrong.
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Careful buddy! You are bordering on being offensive - saying that those of us that are happy with our video quality don't know what we are talking about.
I watch around 90 minutes of video every week day on public transport and have never had an issue - that's over 200 hours and many TV shows and movies of varying quality - but usually HD - with no conversion.
As I posted above - best to check out the phone at a local store - you can make your own mind up then. I would recommend this phone to anyone that is not concerned about it's size. Each to his own.
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sorry man i didnt meant to offend anyone
but as i said i didnt find a solid proof to prove there are no promlems with dark gradients
so, can you please make a video of the galaxy note playing this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPoHPNeU9fc
it will be really helpful for guys like th OP
I have just watched that trailer on mine and it plays fine. I remember on my other notes it was awful and dark scenes were terrible on the same video. On this new note its fine. I will try to post a video later today or tomorrow.
I just watched the Avengers 720p trailer, from youtube down-loader, and i saw none or very little "black crush/clipping/pixelation" , there is a problem with the very bottom of the video, a horizontal line, you would think it was a vhs conversion.
Now this is my second Note, the first one had very bad black crush, large areas of moving and static pure black in dark/shadow areas of movies.
My new note is a newer version than my last one, so maybe samsung is working on the problem behind the scenes, as according to a lot of note owners they denigh there is any problem, and they say this is the first time they have heard of this issue , looks like they dont want a massive recall.
I have heard some note owners have had to swap up-to five time before they get a good note.
John.
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I have heard some note owners have had to swap up-to five time before they get a good note.
John.
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I was one of those. I sent Samsung 6-7 letters and even changed my screen on my 2nd note after 5 days and still had the issue. After 3-4 months of constant talking to Samsung Head Office they agreed to change my note and I got my wife's note on a T mobile upgrade. Both manufactured in March April and these have no issues. I know when I say there's definitely an improvement as I was very active on the Screen Issue thread with my other notes. A screen change will not solve the issue from my experience. They have tinkered something within the note to improve the black crush issue.
Cheers for the extensive input, guys. However, the contradiction is (sadly) also strong with this one. Varying from only HD quality videos will play well, to units that were made before March are more faulty than newer units, to no problems at all...
Perhaps it's wise to state your devices' manufacture date, along with your experiences, to shed some light in this mess, provided by Samsung™.
I feel we still need more input/cowbell...
I think this problems is not as big as people say it is...
Has 2 devices already, both were affected - and honestly i couldn't care less... if you watch decent quality movie, no black crush will disturb you that much.
( yes, i know that some devices might have a huge problem with that, but haven't seen one with it yet )
So is this a problem with the older Notes or something?
I had a look at the image in post number 6 and can definitely see that numbers 1-3 are "missing" and the other numbers are very "samey" but that Avenger video looks absolutely crisp and generally just great. I downloaded the Full HD version to my phone to test it.
Does anyone have a clip that is good for testing this black crush?
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I've read so much about this, yet, I have no problems at all with anything people are describing. I am on Asylum ICS (a CM9 based ROM).
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never experienced this on any rom ive tried wither
@OP remember: people who are happy dont come onto the internet to say that, but people who are unhappy will rant and rave about the problem
for every one person who says there is a problem, there is 50 that arent affected
I am on my second Note, both have the issue. It is not in your face or really noticable in nornal light, watch a movie in a darkened room and bang its in your face.
Its like there is a big gap between 3 and 4 on the test image with no fade, and when a movie tries to show a shade between the 2 levels the Note does not know what to do, so you get the black and grey blocks ( the closest it can get to the real shade that should be displayed) .
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I am on my second Note, both have the issue. It is not in your face or really noticable in nornal light, watch a movie in a darkened room and bang its in your face.
Its like there is a big gap between 3 and 4 on the test image with no fade, and when a movie tries to show a shade between the 2 levels the Note does not know what to do, so you get the black and grey blocks ( the closest it can get to the real shade that should be displayed) .
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Right, that's what I read a lot yeah: not really noticable in the light, but quite a lot in the dark. And that's exactly where I plan to watch the majority of (HD) films.
The Note in this video is extremely affected, I'd say:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a8aIGeLERg
I really blame Samsung for being such d*ckheads to release an (imo) unfinished device.
Does anyone know if it's the same on the Gnex, since I can't really find the same issue. Other than the purple screen, black splotches, banding. Those are usually really visible when screen brightness is all the way down.
Pocketnow has posted a 11+ minute review on the Nexus 7. Brandon did a pretty good job describing the pros and cons of the device and the tablet received a very good score overall. Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jiu7_Auqyg&feature=g-all-u. The negatives were a washed out/dull screen and it takes over 7 hours to charge the device from 0-100%.
I could not stand that guy's voice. That and it looked like he was constantly mashing the screen just for the sake of it.
Personal opinion.
I'm a bit nervous about the washed out screen. Coming from both a Galaxy Nexus and an iPad 3 I felt the Transformer series screens were all lacking in color vibrancy. I guess I'll have to wait and find out!
Strange that his takes 7 hours to charge, other reviews like ubergizmo say 3 hours.
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Strange that his takes 7 hours to charge, other reviews like ubergizmo say 3 hours.
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7 hours over USB could be right, but surely not plugged into the mains.
I think the Anandtech mini-review explains the screen issue.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6054/google-nexus-7-mini-review
The big thing is his note that the greens seem undersaturated, which will make it appear dull. Plus comparing it to a phone isn't apples to apples because it is a different type of panel due to the need for greater viewing angles. I'd personally lose a bit of color vibrancy if it meant that I wouldn't have to hold it at a precise angle to be able to read it.
Really? People dislike the screen now? The day it was released at I/O everyone was complimenting it and saying that it looked great. It even looks good in videos.
>I'm a bit nervous about the washed out screen.
The comparison was to an AMOLED screen, which is stupid, since AMOLED is known to be oversaturated and brighter than most LCDs. He's comparing a $500 device (Galaxy Nexus) to a $200 device.
Comparison at 2:50 mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jiu7_Auqyg&t=170
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>7 hours over USB could be right, but surely not plugged into the mains.
Given the ill-advised comparison with AMOLED, dude has little credibility.
There are many variables in charging. He's had the unit 3-4 days, and likely has only one full charge for the review. The first charge cycle can be weird.
N7 is very similar to Fire. The Fire has a 4.4Ah batt, and a [email protected] charger. From TomsHardware, Fire has 0-100% recharge time of 2:48. Other sources say as long as 5 hrs.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amazon-kindle-fire-review,3076-14.html
N7 has a slightly smaller batt at 4.3Ah, and a slightly stronger [email protected] charger (same as iPad). Recharge time should be same or slightly less than Fire.
With his competence, dude probably used a standard cellphone (1.0A) charger.
Is it me.. or that video was so choppy that I just couldn't take it seriously
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He's comparing a $500 device (Galaxy Nexus) to a $200 device.
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The Galaxy Nexus is only $350.
My concern at this point is the browser, i want the browser to be smooth and work well on websites like theverge, and in this review he said that it was a bit choppy. I hope my preorder unit will not be choppy in the web browser.
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My concern at this point is the browser, i want the browser to be smooth and work well on websites like theverge, and in this review he said that it was a bit choppy. I hope my preorder unit will not be choppy in the web browser.
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Everyone's unit will have a choppy browser unless Google patch through and update for chrome before the n7 is shipped. Think I will just download dolphin browser until its fixed. Oh and I did like this review but I just thought anandtech was better.
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Everyone's unit will have a choppy browser unless Google patch through and update for chrome before the n7 is shipped. Think I will just download dolphin browser until its fixed. Oh and I did like this review but I just thought anandtech was better.
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I hope the dolphin web browser will be ipad smooth, i really need a good browsing device, cause i ruined the processor on my hp touchpad, and sold it to get an n7. Google better update chrome quickly.
I'll chime in here with my own opinion of the "screen vs. AMOLED" thing others have also commented on. I've been trying out a Toshiba Excite 7.7 with AMOLED (same one as on the Galaxy Tab 7.7) and have an iPad 3. Comparing the two side-by-side, I'll say that colors on the Excite 7.7 are definitely bright and more saturated than on the iPad 3. In fact, one might say the iPad 3 colors looked "washed out" compared to those on the Excite 7.7.
However, if you ask me which I prefer when using the two tablets separately, I'd say I prefer colors on the iPad 3. They seem more natural, while colors on the Excite 7.7 seem unnatural and somewhat blown out.
Also, I wouldn't want an AMOLED screen on the Nexus 7 even if colors were so much better, because AMOLED on a 7"-ish screen (at least on the Excite, with a similar battery) absolutely KILLS the battery when backgrounds are white (or generally brighter). For ebook reading, which I prefer black text on a white background, or any app (say, Greader) that uses a light background, battery life is something like 30% less. Switch to a dark background, and battery life is much improved. However, who wants to adjust their tablet usage to avoid lots of white, really?
In fact, there's so much of an impact that Toshiba apparently tuned their AutoBrite feature (adjusting contrast and brightness for screen content) to really kill quality with bright backgrounds. In fact, it changes abruptly when scrolling a Web page that varies from light to dark to light backgrounds. It's distracting and ugly, frankly, but clearly Toshiba saw the need to implement it given the impact on battery life.
The Verge said that, yes, colors are "washed out" compared to AMOLED, but much more in line with the new iPad. I'd say, that's a very good thing overall.
lovenokia said:
My concern at this point is the browser, i want the browser to be smooth and work well on websites like theverge, and in this review he said that it was a bit choppy. I hope my preorder unit will not be choppy in the web browser.
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We can't go by software reviews right now. These tablets are all running a developer preview, not the final build. The only thing that won't change is the hardware.
revmra said:
I think the Anandtech mini-review explains the screen issue.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6054/google-nexus-7-mini-review
The big thing is his note that the greens seem undersaturated, which will make it appear dull. Plus comparing it to a phone isn't apples to apples because it is a different type of panel due to the need for greater viewing angles. I'd personally lose a bit of color vibrancy if it meant that I wouldn't have to hold it at a precise angle to be able to read it.
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Thanks! I couldnt remember where I saw the color review. That for sure makes more sense.
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So your saying that the web browser may in fact be all finished and smoothed out by the time of the release? than if so i am happy!
Isn't there already a thread for Hands-On reviews? This should probably continue there. Though I really shouldn't pretend to be Step666...
Was this guy smoking something when he said the back was "easy to remove"
Just got my Gear VR for Christmas and the 360° videos are AMAZING. I'd like to be able to film my own and watch them on the device, but I need suggestions for the best cameras out there that would be able to take video and stills with the full 360° range. Does anyone know any that are out for a decent price with good quality? And that would be compatible?
Thanks!
If you look around net there are companies what sell kits to make 360 videos using digital cameras like go pro... You can find plans how to do that and you will need " stitching " software to create spherical video.
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The Note 4 has an optional camera mode setting called "Surround Shot" for stills. I read about it elsewhere. I have tried it a couple of times, but must be doing something wrong as the pictures are quite distorted when viewed on the Gear VR. Perhaps you'll have better luck or can figure out the correct technique.
Good Luck!
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Just got my Gear VR for Christmas and the 360° videos are AMAZING. I'd like to be able to film my own and watch them on the device, but I need suggestions for the best cameras out there that would be able to take video and stills with the full 360° range. Does anyone know any that are out for a decent price with good quality? And that would be compatible?
Thanks!
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Samsung is actually making one soon.
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The Note 4 has an optional camera mode setting called "Surround Shot" for stills. I read about it elsewhere. I have tried it a couple of times, but must be doing something wrong as the pictures are quite distorted when viewed on the Gear VR. Perhaps you'll have better luck or can figure out the correct technique.
Good Luck!
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I noticed that pictures taken outside in good light are far better than any iv done inside my small house
rogvid700 said:
Just got my Gear VR for Christmas and the 360° videos are AMAZING. I'd like to be able to film my own and watch them on the device, but I need suggestions for the best cameras out there that would be able to take video and stills with the full 360° range. Does anyone know any that are out for a decent price with good quality? And that would be compatible?
Thanks!
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Hi
What about the Kodak SP360? It is already available but not too sure about the compatibility of the movies with the GEAR VR.
Kind regards
Phil
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Hi
What about the Kodak SP360? It is already available but not too sure about the compatibility of the movies with the GEAR VR.
Kind regards
Phil
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The Kodak PixPro SP360 is for sure the best consumer-friendly option for 360-degree video. That said, it does leave a lot to be desired. To be clear, it does not capture full spherical video. It captures it in a "dome" type format. That means that if you're capturing video indoors, for example, you'll get the area all around you, behind you, and above you up to the ceiling, etc. But you will *not* capture the area under the camera, the floor, etc.
I can confirm that if you export the video in panoramic format, you can view it in the Gear VR, and you'll be able to turn around 360 degrees. If you look straight ahead and just move in circular movements, it's a pretty cool experience. You'll see black if you look down.
As far as having one camera that exports one video file in a compatible Gear VR format with no stitching required, with unlimited video recording limits (similar cameras, like the Ricoh Theta M15, only let you record 3 minutes of video at a time), the SP360 is the only option right now, so it's worth a shot if you really want to try it out. Otherwise, if you wait several months, there will definitely be other, better options on the market.
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The Kodak PixPro SP360 is for sure the best consumer-friendly option for 360-degree video. That said, it does leave a lot to be desired. To be clear, it does not capture full spherical video. It captures it in a "dome" type format. That means that if you're capturing video indoors, for example, you'll get the area all around you, behind you, and above you up to the ceiling, etc. But you will *not* capture the area under the camera, the floor, etc.
I can confirm that if you export the video in panoramic format, you can view it in the Gear VR, and you'll be able to turn around 360 degrees. If you look straight ahead and just move in circular movements, it's a pretty cool experience. You'll see black if you look down.
As far as having one camera that exports one video file in a compatible Gear VR format with no stitching required, with unlimited video recording limits (similar cameras, like the Ricoh Theta M15, only let you record 3 minutes of video at a time), the SP360 is the only option right now, so it's worth a shot if you really want to try it out. Otherwise, if you wait several months, there will definitely be other, better options on the market.
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Thanks for your input! Good to have some feedback from someone who already owns that camera! :good:
Thanks again
Phil
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Thanks for your input! Good to have some feedback from someone who already owns that camera! :good:
Thanks again
Phil
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Glad to help!
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mdude04 said:
The Kodak PixPro SP360 is for sure the best consumer-friendly option for 360-degree video. That said, it does leave a lot to be desired. To be clear, it does not capture full spherical video. It captures it in a "dome" type format. That means that if you're capturing video indoors, for example, you'll get the area all around you, behind you, and above you up to the ceiling, etc. But you will *not* capture the area under the camera, the floor, etc.
I can confirm that if you export the video in panoramic format, you can view it in the Gear VR, and you'll be able to turn around 360 degrees. If you look straight ahead and just move in circular movements, it's a pretty cool experience. You'll see black if you look down.
As far as having one camera that exports one video file in a compatible Gear VR format with no stitching required, with unlimited video recording limits (similar cameras, like the Ricoh Theta M15, only let you record 3 minutes of video at a time), the SP360 is the only option right now, so it's worth a shot if you really want to try it out. Otherwise, if you wait several months, there will definitely be other, better options on the market.
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Thanks a lot for your explanations!
I'd like to know if the video appears in 3D with the Gear VR, and if it seems really as immersive as the other videos of the Milk app (except the fact that you can't look down). Thank you.
I'm wondering why the 360 videos I've seen are so out of focus compared to standard FHD video? The Iceland and NYC flyovers are terrible and not even 720p quality.
Which is a better set in terms of video quality, price and portability? SP360 or Ricoh M15?
Photosphere or Surround mode on our phone is not bad at all for still photos.
SDJB said:
Which is a better set in terms of video quality, price and portability? SP360 or Ricoh M15?
Photosphere or Surround mode on our phone is not bad at all for still photos.
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I have not used the Ricoh model; the kodak one relies heavily on its own proprietary software to achieve its effects. If you do not use Kodak's software, all photos and videos look the same (360 dome)
I wish I had not bought it and ripped up the box
Charlie
I have been looking around at different cameras and I am glad to have seen the feedback on the Kodak. That is the one I have seen advertised everywhere. It seems like many of the others are preorders by companies that didn't exist before that hardware.
http://360.tv/ (and https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/giroptic/the-worlds-first-full-hd-360-camera). It says it is 4K and costs $500. I would be interested to see the reviews, though. It also doesn't seem to be suited for an "active" lifestyle. (Not yet available)
There was also https://360fly.myshopify.com/products/360fly which claims to be geared toward mobile and has some nice environmental features, such as shock and water resistance, but at the cost of not being as high of a resolution. (Not yet available)
My favorite so far is http://www.vsnmobil.com/products/v360 with an Amazon listing at http://www.amazon.com/V-360-HD-Camera-Kit-seamless/dp/B00PSSGKRQ (In stock and shipping out)
That one has some pretty positive reviews, costs $300, and seems to have both the resolution and the environmental features. I would be interested how well it worked with the Gear VR. Ironically, it is packing a Qualcomm 800 processor. It would be pretty crazy to see the surveillance mode turned into a Gear VR app. Imagine being able to look around inside your house while sitting in a friend's living room. That'd be trippy.
Low FOV on Vertical Angle
I went ahead and ordered the V.360 from Amazon base on the fact that it has a higher resolution. I will see.
Honestly, I don't have too high expectations for two reasons:
1. The sample I downloaded, while the resolution was higher - it was in a split screen (front and back in a top/bottom arrangement). This setup/presentation will present higher resolution as the aspect ratio is usually 1:1. However, when you go for the panoramic view required for 360 - the resolution tends to be significantly lower.
2. This one is potentially the big deal breaker; The camera vertical angle is only 60 degree. The PixPro XP360 (kodak) offers a 214 degree vertical angle and the same 360 degree horizontal the V360 offers. We'll see.
I will post my findings, and maybe a video comparison with both SP360 and V360. We obviously know the SP360 has a disadvantage in resolution, but the angle is greater. I expect the V360 will at least reverse that It will have higher resolution (maybe) but much lower FOV on the vertical axis.
stay tuned.
mdude04 said:
The Kodak PixPro SP360 is for sure the best consumer-friendly option for 360-degree video. That said, it does leave a lot to be desired. To be clear, it does not capture full spherical video. It captures it in a "dome" type format. That means that if you're capturing video indoors, for example, you'll get the area all around you, behind you, and above you up to the ceiling, etc. But you will *not* capture the area under the camera, the floor, etc.
I can confirm that if you export the video in panoramic format, you can view it in the Gear VR, and you'll be able to turn around 360 degrees. If you look straight ahead and just move in circular movements, it's a pretty cool experience. You'll see black if you look down.
As far as having one camera that exports one video file in a compatible Gear VR format with no stitching required, with unlimited video recording limits (similar cameras, like the Ricoh Theta M15, only let you record 3 minutes of video at a time), the SP360 is the only option right now, so it's worth a shot if you really want to try it out. Otherwise, if you wait several months, there will definitely be other, better options on the market.
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To be precise : i bought this camera and your description is incomplete.
The only way to use it with a Gear Vr or cardboard is to export the video in panoramic format, right, but you forgott to mention that : If you look straight ahead and just move in circular movements, it's a pretty cool experience. You'll see black if you look down. And if you look up you'll see black too!
For example if you take a video indoor, you won't see the ceiling. You can only watch the video with your gear VR as a 360 degree strip with big black holes down and up. It's a been desapointing, not to mention that the quality is very low...
To be honest i can't advertise this camera if the goal is only to take 360° video for VR, especially indoor videos. Maybe some other products like the giroptic cam could be better but we have to wait...
If you want a FULL 360 pictures/video (but decent quality) check device - Ricoh Theta , https://theta360.com/en/gallery/
The quality of pictures is ok, if there is a good sun light, the picture will be very nice. Price is also nice - just 300€/$ (this is a second model with movies, now worldwide, but one year ago - only in Japan and price with taxes was something like 450)
My photo (G+ compression..., photos looks better from your device (PC/smart) or oficiall Theta site)
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos?...112253762336696676097&authkey=CP6al5-jlff4wQE
Random photo for Theta
https://theta360.com/spheres/samples/5bdbf9f8-3a15-11e4-bf19-52540092ec69-1
For me, pics looks better on smarphone, than Gear VR - only 2m from center of camera is readable, others parts of photo looks blury, pixolated, etc.
And this is a second idea for 360 pictures - Android 4.4 and Google Camera
Quality will be much better than Ricoh Theta but takes more time to make a one sphere. On Ricoh, you just click the button and move ahead, but with smartphone - you need take everypart of sphere, sometimes after "rendering" you see small glitches so you need to make other one.
I am very excited. I really think it's a special phone, at least from a first glance. The phones that Samsung, Apple, LG, and others put out year after year are all.. carbon copies of one another. I always choose an outsider if I have the option for anything outside of the mainstream - you know, especially if everyone has it.
I had HTC m8 when Samsung ruled Android all alone. Than I opted for OnePlus when I broke my HTC.. because, why not right? Cheap, and as good as the twice as expensive ones.
Anyway!!
That was probably the main reason I decided to go with Pixel. On top of guarantee of getting new Android OS probably before anyone else, I also like the lack of a company skin, and bloatware. I mean root does take care of that but you shouldn't need to root to get rid of apps from a device that you OWN.
When I get it, hoping the order process goes without a hitch, I will write my first impressions here.
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I didn't spend much time on the forum but from a few reviews I read.. it seems pretty mixed. Some hate it, others love it. Care to enlighten me, please?
Greatly appreciate any effort to that question..
Cheers, Amer
The sound quality will blow you away.
Phone calls are clear and crisp, no complaints, people can hear me great too.
Small but pleasant surprises:
The vibrating motor has an interesting kick to it. It's hard to ignore.. (if you've used phones set to vibrate and still missed calls you didn't notice you'd understand what I mean)
I'm coming from a P30, so battery life in comparison is certainly an issue (or at least precieved to be an issue.)
To counteract this I ordered an iotie wireless charger for the car.
Face unlock: yes we all heard its bad, cause it doesn't require "attention" to unlock.
I don't have trust issues or major security requirements. However....
When you put this in the car holder... If it catches a glimpse of your face for even a second... The screen unlocks and stays open (very annoying) also if you have the screen off and it somehow gets a glimpse of your face... Screen unlocked... Now your fingers are doing all sorts of things on the phone that you don't want to happen.
Having said that.. We all know google will patch in the "attention" feature for face unlock. I'm not happy about the delay... But I can certainly wait.
Bottom line, could it have been better... Absolutely.... Do I have any regrets? No.
I'm very happy with my purchase. And I've had it since the 26th of October. So literally 1 week.
I love having a comparable screen to iPhone, gestures, and stock android. And the camera is better than I need it to be. (yup not a pro phone cam user.. I mostly take pics of my pets or business cards or important notes..) for anything else I have a dslr.
This is highly subjective... So I hope you'll be happy with it. And if not.. That's fine... Just return or sell and go with something that makes you happy =)
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Very quickly, I am absolutely happy with my Pixel.
Face unlock, I really do think this is a storm in a tea cup. If your life leads you to worry about people sneaking in to your bedroom and presenting your phone to your face whilst you sleep... You have much more serious issue to deal with than the pixel's biometric supposed shortcomings.
More annoying is that it doesn't work with all those apps that I just got used to working with my fingerprint.
Don't understand about it opening when it catches sight of your face instantly? Mine doesn't, I have to press the power button before it activates? Probably something I've misunderstood. (Edit - I get it now actually. Soli wakes the phone up and then your face unlocks it. Doesn't seem to happen that often unintentionally though)
It does just work 100% of the time (so far at least) really, really quickly.
The battery. It is 19:05 here, the phone was charged up yesterday, I left it off the power overnight, to see how it would fare (it lost 8%) and I'm on 33%. I charged it fit approx 10 minutes in car earlier.
It could be better, but really it doesn't impact anywhere near as much as done would have you think.
The camera is simply brilliant.
Scrolling around is super smooth. Noticeably smoother than my old Huawei P20 Pro. To use some other company's tag line - it just works.
I agree with everybody else in that it does have it's shortcomings but overall I love the phone. I mainly like it because of the size. It just feels so much more comfortable in the hand vs larger form factor phones like the 4 XL. It's also a very unique phone in that it is the only small form factor phone with a 90hz display right now, every other phone that has a 90hz display is on the larger side.
Battery life is relatively bad compared to other phones, I'm getting about 4 hours of screen on time with light-medium usage, which includes youtube videos and scrolling through social media. It's not much of an issue for me though because I always charge my phone in my car and I always carry a portable charger with me.
I just can't get over that 90hz display, it's so smooth.
Amer28 said:
I am very excited. I really think it's a special phone, at least from a first glance. The phones that Samsung, Apple, LG, and others put out year after year are all.. carbon copies of one another. I always choose an outsider if I have the option for anything outside of the mainstream - you know, especially if everyone has it.
I had HTC m8 when Samsung ruled Android all alone. Than I opted for OnePlus when I broke my HTC.. because, why not right? Cheap, and as good as the twice as expensive ones.
Anyway!!
That was probably the main reason I decided to go with Pixel. On top of guarantee of getting new Android OS probably before anyone else, I also like the lack of a company skin, and bloatware. I mean root does take care of that but you shouldn't need to root to get rid of apps from a device that you OWN.
When I get it, hoping the order process goes without a hitch, I will write my first impressions here.
^^ Hoping the estimate is very close to accurate.
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I didn't spend much time on the forum but from a few reviews I read.. it seems pretty mixed. Some hate it, others love it. Care to enlighten me, please?
Greatly appreciate any effort to that question..
Cheers, Amer
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I don't agree putting LG with Samsung and Apple. In fac I can tell you that carbon copy is Apple and Pixel when it comes to main camera sensor module. They both share an Sony imx363 but assembled and with lenses from LG Innotek . So who's copying who? Apple has f1.8, pixel f1. 7 and lg the more advanced f1. 5 since lg v40 ThinQ. That's 1 year before.
Regarding photovideography my V50 kills both the iPhone and the pixel.
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Regarding sound quality, saying the pixel has sound quality without reffering to the best in class... Quad dac, LDAC, dtsx, hardware MQA, 32 bit audio processor and so on...
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Design?
Just take a look at the V50 Korean model. Under glass most advanced and best on the planet triple camera system. LG has done it. Pixel apple and Samsung are dreaming.
Inerent said:
I don't agree putting LG with Samsung and Apple. In fac I can tell you that carbon copy is Apple and Pixel when it comes to main camera sensor module. They both share an Sony imx363 but assembled and with lenses from LG Innotek . So who's copying who? Apple has f1.8, pixel f1. 7 and lg the more advanced f1. 5 since lg v40 ThinQ. That's 1 year before.
Regarding photovideography my V50 kills both the iPhone and the pixel.
Regarding sound quality, saying the pixel has sound quality without reffering to the best in class... Quad dac, LDAC, dtsx, hardware MQA, 32 bit audio processor and so on...
Design?
Just take a look at the V50 Korean model. Under glass most advanced and best on the planet triple camera system. LG has done it. Pixel apple and Samsung are dreaming.
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LG's flagship devices are meh at best.
Camera? Can only take average at best in detail. f1.5 means nothing if image processing is mediocre.
Under glass camera? LG wasn't the first to do that and they can only do so because they are using smaller camera sensors (aka. for midrange)
Design? This is subjective. LG phones are always a clone of Samsung but look plain and boring.
There is no real character in their phones. Let's not talk about LG's hideous notch because it's not even funny to begin with.
Sound quality? They should thank HTC for being bankrupt, else, HTC will continue to dominate this space.
Videography? I am not a fan of iPhone but everyone will agree that they rule this piece even without pro mode.
Yeah, right. I'm telling you. LG V50 kills everything in both photos and videos.
Regarding design:
How about this? Got it since 04 December.
I've heard there are pixel 4 xl out there with like September and October security patch.
Intresting how times changes...
Regarding the camera aspect don't forget that LG Innotek makes them both for iPhone and Pixel. No way iPhone is taking better videos than V50. They're dreaming.
Ah. I forgot to mention I'm getting 10-12 hours SOT with my V50 4000mah.
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Inerent said:
How about this? Got it since 04 December.
I've heard there are pixel 4 xl out there with like September and October security patch.
Intresting how times changes...
Regarding the camera aspect don't forget that LG Innotek makes them both for iPhone and Pixel. No way iPhone is taking better videos than V50. They're dreaming.
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Pixel 4 xl with Sept security patches!? You do realize the pixel 4 wasn't released until October ? Let me guess this coming from the grapevine right.