What Would You Change If Microsoft Asked You To Redesign Windows Mobile Entire OS ?
I would add exit to the programs
I Would Make windows mobile like pc eg say a new version of it comes out you could purchase it from microsoft or your local store instead of waiting for oem to realease it which most of the times they dont even though the device is quite cable of running it.
And For Device Maker to plan ahead for the future by making devices that pass the minimum requirements for the current os so when an updated version comes out they capable of running it.
Do You Think The HTC Diamond Will be able to run Windows Mobile 7 or 8
Can we have it WinMo 6.5???
http://www.zune.net/en-US/products/kin/default.htm?Mnthly&c7hero
no unless someone ports it?
kin is not a windows mobile or even windows CE based device
it's just a generic os phone made by sharp which ms oem and skin and let interface with zune software to get some mobile news press untill they are ready with their windows phone 7 devices
you can't port software from such a platform (or lack of same) to ours more then you can iphone apps
Rudegar said:
kin is not a windows mobile or even windows CE based device
it's just a generic os phone made by sharp which ms oem and skin and let interface with zune software to get some mobile news press untill they are ready with their windows phone 7 devices
you can't port software from such a platform (or lack of same) to ours more then you can iphone apps
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Kin is based on Windows Phone 7 or some lite derivative of it so its based on CE7.
How can we move forward by continuing what we were used to do with WM6.5 on WP7 & HD7
I have just purchased HD7 and was expecting to move easily from WM6.5 on my previous diamond to WP7.
One of my reasons why I am buing a windows phone device is that all my history of work for more than 10 years was stored on windows mobile... It is true that I find some difficulties when upgrading, but there is always a way to upgrade and take with you your old staff...
Here is a surprise ...
This was a chat that i made on microsoft official Website...
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-How can we move forward by continuing what we were used to do with WP6.5 and work with WP7?
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-Ok it seems that i will regret buying my new HTC HD7 that operates Windows phone 7.
-I have my own software that i purchased for windows phone 6.5 and i have no idea if I am able to install these softwares on windows phone 7.
-I use these software in my work and the backup softwares that i was used to for getting back all my contacts and SMS's... If anyone have a solution for this please reply and help the windows phone users.
-I beleive I am not the only one suffering from the same problem.
-Is Microsoft asking us to go and buy again the same softwares just for the reason of being windows phone 7?
-Ok, let us think forward, I will buy the new windows phone 7 apps but I want to be sure that these apps can also work on windows phone 6.5 so that i can continue building up by taking my old personal files and continue.
-I don't think it is a good idea to restart from scratch again...!
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REPLY: from Joel Ivory Johnson
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Cutting straight to the conclusion, Windows Phone isn't a form of Windows Mobile and has no compatibility with it. You can't use your Windows Mobile software on it.
If you want to see the full reasons behing the break away from Windows Mobile for a consumer solution you will want to watch the 15 February 2010 announcement from the Mobile World Congress for what was then called "Windows Phone 7 Series" (by Joe Belfiore and Steve Ballmer). The best way I can summarize it is that Microsoft couldn't provide the user experience they aimed for while retaining backwards compatibility. With the shrinking marketshare of Windows Mobile among consumers it would appear that the lost of past investments was already a shrinking concern (after all as users moved to Android and iPhone they were separating themselves from the past software investments. So no matter what it is bound to happen).
So Microsoft designed a new operating system for consumers and Windows Mobile (now called Windows Embedded Handheld) is still around as an enterprise solution and evolving in it's own direction.
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WoW... it was really shocking ... Now microsoft is asking me again to forget about my work in the last years...
I am ordered to push the button and restart or else i will be outdated...
does anyone have a suggestion ?
Now, I will not only think of changing my operating system, I'll think of changing my whole life and go to any other company that would respect people efforts over the years... And i have nothing to sacrifice this time, by anyways I will lose my previous work...
Thanks Microsoft for wasting 10 years of my life... (I started to work on windows mobile since this old i-mate 2020, anyone remember?)
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-What do you think? -Any suggestion? -Any work arround? -Should we go back?
Move on, adapt to changes. I think Microsoft did a good thing starting from scratch. I mean.. if there was no Windows Phone 7 you would have either moved to Android, iOS, Blackberry or Symbian(Which is as good as dead by now). Then you would have had to start all over again with everything unless you wanted to use an archaic phone with an even more archaic OS.
As a good rule of thumb, it's always beneficial to do some research on what you are purchasing before you go ahead with the purchase.
As you have found out, Windows Mobile 6.5 is nothing like or even related to Windows Phone 7 (aside from the similarities in the name). Applications from Windows Mobile are not compatible with Windows Phone, and the same is true the other way around.
If you like Windows Mobile 6.5, you should stick with it. You'll be safe in knowing you will always have the latest version of Windows Mobile and won't ever have to upgrade your software again.
If you switch to Windows Phone 7, you switch to a brand new (version 1.0) platform. Kinda like switching from a PC to a Mac. So you'll be buying and building new apps for your new platform and will have to find ways to work with the new platform. You'll find that both Windows Mobile 6.5 and Windows Phone 7 have their positives and negatives, and you just need to figure out what works best for you and stick with it.
You remember moving from 3.11 -> Win 95, Win 98 -> XP, and XP -> Vista... Win CE -> WM5
Now it is WM6.5 -> WP7...
Microsoft always do the same...
Don't you remember some good staff you had on your Win98 that you miss now?
I am an Engineer, I was used to use multiple engineering softwares that creat special file formats. Also some general softwares like GPS Tracking software, Graphic Calculators, and more...
Now Microsoft dicovered that it is out of the competition due to Android OS, and Iphone. So instead of holding its previous clients who where Using there PPC for real business applications and paying lots on cash for doing this, Microsoft decides to go with the easy trend. Some funny games, some animation, BUT WHERE IS THE CORE?
Now Windows Phone 7 looks to me like any simbian device with "MS office" (thanks god, they did not throw it away)
Where is the origen of "Windows =(multi-tasking)"?
does anyone believe that a windows os doesn't have multi-tasking? doesn't have file explorer?
sooo weired ...
I was a fan of Microsoft I always say those competitors are far away from what a PPC was made for...
Now I am shocked, even Microsoft is taking the easy way...
AmgAdly said:
You remember moving from 3.11 -> Win 95, Win 98 -> XP, and XP -> Vista... Win CE -> WM5
Now it is WM6.5 -> WP7...
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And this is where you misunderstand. Your progress chart is kinda off.
Win 1.x -> Win 2.x -> Win 3.x -> Win 95 -> Win 98 -> Win ME (end)
Win NT 3.x -> WinNT 4 -> Win 2000 (end)
Then the Windows consumer kernel and the Windows NT kernel were combined to create Windows XP.
Win XP -> Win Vista -> Win 7
The above are three separate lines of products but they happen to share the same brand name. Windows ME was the last of its product line. Upgrading from the Windows ME line to XP was a rather turbulent experience as it broke support for many hardware devices and offered little support for older software (though of course, there were always ways to make it work).
As for the Windows Mobile and Windows Phone lines.
... -> WM 6.0 -> WM 6.1 -> WM 6.5
WP7
Windows Mobile 6.5 and below are not part of the Windows Phone 7 line of software. They are two separate software product lines. Though they share similar names, which is a marketing tactic (a failed one I might add), but that's where the similarities end.
A sentiment shared by most people in the industry (and most consumers), Windows Mobile was (is) a dead platform and could not succeed any longer in its current form in this modern market. So its development has ended, and a new product was created called Windows Phone 7. WP7 is built from scratch, and because of that, it does not have all the features that the 10+ year old Windows Mobile product has. Given time, Windows Phone 7 will become an even better mobile platform than it currently is, but until then, if you are not happy with the kinds of things Windows Phone 7 brings to the table, then by all means switch to something else that does, or stick with Windows Mobile.
You bring up points that countless others have brought up before, and your complaints will yield no results, so its rather useless to complain. Not to mention, it is rather unfair to compare a product less than a year old to a product that has more than 10 years of development time. Of course Windows Mobile has got more features. That's just common sense.
What kind of a business tactic involves supporting a 10 year old product that doesn't cut it anymore? In this modern day of smartphones, the game has changed, so Microsoft needed to change with it.
So you are right, PPC is made for a different type of person, and Windows Phone 7 is not PPC, not even close.
You're a little off on your chart as well.
Win2000 is NT5.0. XP is NT5.1. They should be listed on the same line.
Just sayin'.
Thank you all for your reply...
As you mentioned, we should move forward... There was a nice PIM backup software that we used to backup our SMS's and contacts...
Is there any news about a new version to work on WP7 and use the Backup files we created on WM6.5 to be restored on WP7?
or any fix to run PIM backup software (in compatiblity view) (run as WM6.5 app) on WP7...?
We need to go forward and at least keep some backup of our SMS's ... right?
Thank you!
prjkthack said:
And this is where you misunderstand. Your progress chart is kinda off.
Win 1.x -> Win 2.x -> Win 3.x -> Win 95 -> Win 98 -> Win ME (end)
Win NT 3.x -> WinNT 4 -> Win 2000 (end)
Then the Windows consumer kernel and the Windows NT kernel were combined to create Windows XP.
Win XP -> Win Vista -> Win 7
The above are three separate lines of products but they happen to share the same brand name. Windows ME was the last of its product line. Upgrading from the Windows ME line to XP was a rather turbulent experience as it broke support for many hardware devices and offered little support for older software (though of course, there were always ways to make it work).
As for the Windows Mobile and Windows Phone lines.
... -> WM 6.0 -> WM 6.1 -> WM 6.5
WP7
Windows Mobile 6.5 and below are not part of the Windows Phone 7 line of software. They are two separate software product lines. Though they share similar names, which is a marketing tactic (a failed one I might add), but that's where the similarities end.
A sentiment shared by most people in the industry (and most consumers), Windows Mobile was (is) a dead platform and could not succeed any longer in its current form in this modern market. So its development has ended, and a new product was created called Windows Phone 7. WP7 is built from scratch, and because of that, it does not have all the features that the 10+ year old Windows Mobile product has. Given time, Windows Phone 7 will become an even better mobile platform than it currently is, but until then, if you are not happy with the kinds of things Windows Phone 7 brings to the table, then by all means switch to something else that does, or stick with Windows Mobile.
You bring up points that countless others have brought up before, and your complaints will yield no results, so its rather useless to complain. Not to mention, it is rather unfair to compare a product less than a year old to a product that has more than 10 years of development time. Of course Windows Mobile has got more features. That's just common sense.
What kind of a business tactic involves supporting a 10 year old product that doesn't cut it anymore? In this modern day of smartphones, the game has changed, so Microsoft needed to change with it.
So you are right, PPC is made for a different type of person, and Windows Phone 7 is not PPC, not even close.
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I'm quoting this because this is just about the best explanation I have seen so far. Honestly, this should be at the top of every WP7 related page on this forum. This is very well thought out, and articulated version of what I keep screaming everytime I read/see the same stuff.
"Quit cryin!" Get over it or move to Android (which IMO is Windows MOBILE 7+)
You're not going to cry MS into reverting back to WM6.'whatever'. So you can roll with it or move and roll in another direction.
You can keep backups of your SMS messages by utilizing Microsoft MyPhone (WinMo 6.5), which syncs your texts to your live account.
Unfortunately, no way to get those texts to your WP7. But you can always look at them.
http://myphone.microsoft.com
jimbonics said:
You're a little off on your chart as well.
Win2000 is NT5.0. XP is NT5.1. They should be listed on the same line.
Just sayin'.
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I separated Windows 2000 from XP because it is considered that Windows 2000 was the end of the whole "business-only" Windows platform (at the time 2000 was released, ME was also not far behind, so it was still billed as the separate "consumer" and "business" platforms), even though it was technically the first hybrid kernel Windows platform. It was only when XP was released that it was considered the first of the consumer/business hybrid platform. So therefore I think that warrants it to be part of a separate line on its own since its all been based on XP's whole hybrid mantra since then.
So yes, on either line, technically, it'd be correct. Haha.
The best indicator of whether something is good and valuable is the equipment price. At the beginning of the HD7 was very expensive and no one knew what it is WP7. After several months, it appears that it is better to give the phone to be utilized than to sell it on ebay. Nice phone on which you can do a little.
how I can insall app design for wp8 at wp7
what about update wp7 to wp8 (I have hd7 wp7.8)
md80410 said:
how I can insall app design for wp8 at wp7
what about update wp7 to wp8 (I have hd7 wp7.8)
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Firstly this is Windows 8 not windows phone 8.
But in answer to your question. There is no way to update a windows phone 7 device to windows phone 8. Windows phone 8 apps physically cannot run on windows phone 7 as it lacks the APIs to do so. Most developers right now still make apps for windows phone 7 because they can run on both 7 and 8.
If you want windows phone 8 and windows phone 8 apps, get a windows phone 8 handset.
As for upgrading WP7 device to WP8, it's technically not impossible - the hardware can run it (though poorly) - but the WP8 OS was designed to require hardware features not present on WP7 handsets. Consequently, there are no WP7 devices which receive an official update to WP8.
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As for upgrading WP7 device to WP8, it's technically not impossible - the hardware can run it (though poorly) - but the WP8 OS was designed to require hardware features not present on WP7 handsets. Consequently, there are no WP7 devices which receive an official update to WP8.
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The biggest limitation for an update is a complete kernel swap. WP7 used the windows CE kernel. WP8 uses the windows NT kernel. For all intents and purposes this makes them entirely different operating systems and the technical difficulty of issuing an update for WP7 to 8 would be like releasing an update to the iPhone that installs android or an update to windows 8 which installs OSX.
Its only because WP7 apps are in .NET and it was possible to port .NET to WP8 that WP7 apps do run on WP8. Other than that the only relationships between the 2 platforms are name, general design style and the fact that they are made by the same company.
But otherwise. WP8 could feasibly run on WP7 handsets. Its just it wouldn't be possible to do the same way as regular software updates. Plus most WP7 devices are actually pretty low spec, they were all single core hitting clock speeds of 1.4ghz max, half gb of ram usually. Not beasts of handsets at all.
What do you mean by "regular updates"? Each Windows Phone update required the phone switching to a special "Update OS" boot mode where the "ROM" of the main OS could be modified, and at that point switching out the kernel (and associated userspace libraries) is no harder than, for example, switching out IE7 for IE9 (which the Mango update to WP7 did). Yeah, it's not really the same OS afterward, but so what? The data is still there.
Admittedly, WP7 makes substantial use of Windows Embedded Database and CE Database files, which are accessed through APIs that are CE-specific extensions to the standard Win32 API. Those would either need to be ported to the Win32/NT API, or the data in them would need to be converted to another format during the update... or the phone's configuration would need to be wiped and set up with defaults again, which would kind of suck but still be better than "no WP8 for you; go buy new hardware!"
Anyhow, this whole thread is in the wrong forum. Could somebody do something about that?
hi
is it possible to install windows 8.1 on nokia lumia 1520? hardware is good enough and display size is big enough to have windows
I request to find way to do that!
motibala said:
hi
is it possible to install windows 8.1 on nokia lumia 1520? hardware is good enough and display size is big enough to have windows
I request to find way to do that!
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Yes.
You have two possibility:
- Install Windows Phone 8.1 via the Preview for Developers (PFD) program.
- Wait for the official deployment.
I do not give you more information on the PFD, because the official deploy Windows Phone 8.1 (and Lumia Cyan) for Nokia Lumia 1520 should soon began. Also, Microsoft currently stopped for the moment (for a indefinitely period) deploying Windows Phone 8.1/Lumia Cyan on phones equipped with PFD.
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Yes.
You have two possibility:
- Install Windows Phone 8.1 via the Preview for Developers (PFD) program.
- Wait for the official deployment.
I do not give you more information on the PFD, because the official deploy Windows Phone 8.1 (and Lumia Cyan) for Nokia Lumia 1520 should soon began. Also, Microsoft currently stopped for the moment (for a indefinitely period) deploying Windows Phone 8.1/Lumia Cyan on phones equipped with PFD.
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thanks for your quick reply, I meant hack for windows 8.1 as a computer!
motibala said:
thanks for your quick reply, I meant hack for windows 8.1 as a computer!
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may be Windows RT which is the versión of Windows OS for ARM. Instead of that, think about something, since this is not open source is not possible to Port Windows RT, may be is possible using a virtual machine but that is a lot of work and i dont think anyone will do it for free. Just my two cents ?.
Yeah, the hardware is absolutely not "good enough" for normal Windows 8.1, because that only runs on x86 or x64 CPUs, not on ARM. Windows RT 8.1 is a locked-down version of Windows 8.1 which does run on ARM, but it's not "installable" in the usual sense so you'd need to hack it on there, and its performance on the 1520 would be OK but not tremendous.
The Lumia 2520 tablet is an example of an RT device.
No any way.. Can't do it. Lack of hardware requirements.
Thanks ALL