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Upgrade to Win 7 without new installation of programs?

Hi guys,
as I read through the threads the upgrade to Win 7, same as the downgrade to Win XP, always requires the new installation of all software application programs that are not bundled with the OS.
i.e. MS Office, FireFox, Navigation software, ......
In June 2009 various news sites confirmed this obstacle.
In the last days I read that there will be (possibly) an upgrade that will not require the user to re-install the application layer programs.
Can anyone confirm or deny this statement.
And if it's confirmed will it be possible for the Shift?
Thnx a lot, guys

If you are upgrading from Vista, it is fine - you can do an in place upgrade and it will bring all your installed programs across.
If you have downgraded to XP, the only way to upgrade whilst preserving all your install programs is to upgrade to Vista first, and the upgrade to Win7 - there is no direct path from XP to Win7.
Regards,
Dave

Yeah, but Vista is still lurking, isn't it?
I'd rather endure installing everything twice (XP and Win7) than have Vista anywhere near my Shift!
In fact I did

foxmeister said:
If you are upgrading from Vista, it is fine - you can do an in place upgrade and it will bring all your installed programs across.
If you have downgraded to XP, the only way to upgrade whilst preserving all your install programs is to upgrade to Vista first, and the upgrade to Win7 - there is no direct path from XP to Win7.
Regards,
Dave
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Hi Dave,
thnx for your information.
I haven't done any downgrading (XP), not even the SP1 for Vista.
I have only liberated the Shift.
The OS is as shipped from HTC, only application programs installed.
If I do an inplace upgrade, will it get rid of all the Vista stuff that slows down the device? Meaning, will it be as good as a "complete from scratch" installation of Win 7?
Second, which version of Win 7 should I get? Home, Professional, RC?
And where do I get it?
Thnx a lot, cheers
baucis99

Yesterday I made a full backup image of my Vista installation. Then I upgraded my HTC Shift to Windows 7 Enterprise RTM from MSDN.
The upgrade process took 3 hours, because it had to migrate 300.000 files and settings from one OS to the other. Before the setup I had 15GiB free on the HDD and after that 18GiB where free! So upgrading Vista to Windows 7 won't leave any old memory chunk on the HDD.
I only had to reinstall the Touchscreen Drivers. Everything else was still there: Several network shares, desktop widgets, explorer settings, all the applications with theirs settings, my two Outlook profiles with their on Exchange setups and so on.
Windows 7 itself also responds faster than with Vista. With the same auto-start applications I have more free RAM available and the OS itself looks much better.
So I can only recommend you to upgrade your Vista to Windows 7.
There is no need for a clean install, as long as your current Vista setup isn't anyhow broken.
After this Windows 7 experience I hope that the prejudice against Windows upgrades will be a thing of the past.
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For the Windows 7 upgrade your Vista needs to have SP1 at least. I upgraded a Vista with SP2 and the latest Windows Update patches. The setup has to be started within Vista, otherwise it won't allow an upgrade. And you don't need to burn the Windows 7 DVD. You can mount it in Vista into a virtual drive or you can extract the ISO files to an folder. Before the first reboot the setup copies all the necessary installation files onto the local HDD. So after that the DVD isn't needed anymore.

LordDeath said:
Yesterday I made a full backup image of my Vista installation. Then I upgraded my HTC Shift to Windows 7 Enterprise RTM from MSDN.
The upgrade process took 3 hours, because it had to migrate 300.000 files and settings from one OS to the other. Before the setup I had 15GiB free on the HDD and after that 18GiB where free! So upgrading Vista to Windows 7 won't leave any old memory chunk on the HDD.
I only had to reinstall the Touchscreen Drivers. Everything else was still there: Several network shares, desktop widgets, explorer settings, all the applications with theirs settings, my two Outlook profiles with their on Exchange setups and so on.
Windows 7 itself also responds faster than with Vista. With the same auto-start applications I have more free RAM available and the OS itself looks much better.
So I can only recommend you to upgrade your Vista to Windows 7.
There is no need for a clean install, as long as your current Vista setup isn't anyhow broken.
After this Windows 7 experience I hope that the prejudice against Windows upgrades will be a thing of the past.
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For the Windows 7 upgrade your Vista needs to have SP1 at least. I upgraded a Vista with SP2 and the latest Windows Update patches. The setup has to be started within Vista, otherwise it won't allow an upgrade. And you don't need to burn the Windows 7 DVD. You can mount it in Vista into a virtual drive or you can extract the ISO files to an folder. Before the first reboot the setup copies all the necessary installation files onto the local HDD. So after that the DVD isn't needed anymore.
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Well i followed these steps - and when windows 7 boots the touch screen did not work as stated - so i downloaded the drivers from the HTC shift page, installed them. Although they did not error - they also did not work - seems to install properly but still not touch screen.
Also when I put the screen to 1024x600 the device bluescreened as it did in the pre-release versions..
Has anyone got Win 7 working (MSDN Release) and all hardware working; if so please share your steps.
Thanks
Kris

baucis99 said:
econd, which version of Win 7 should I get? Home, Professional, RC?
And where do I get it?
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MS have stopped distributing the RC now, but they will still provide product keys for it until Oct'09 (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/download.aspx).
You can get the full RTM version of Win7 if you have an MSDN or Technet subscription, but otherwise you'll have to search the usual sources for a copy of the RC iso (not promoting warez here!).
Regards,
Dave

i00 said:
Well i followed these steps - and when windows 7 boots the touch screen did not work as stated - so i downloaded the drivers from the HTC shift page, installed them. Although they did not error - they also did not work - seems to install properly but still not touch screen.
Also when I put the screen to 1024x600 the device bluescreened as it did in the pre-release versions..
Has anyone got Win 7 working (MSDN Release) and all hardware working; if so please share your steps.
Thanks
Kris
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Hello,
please try to uninstall the the VistaECDrvV1[1].0.1.10 driver first, then reboot, install it again and reboot again. Afaik I did this to activate the touchscreen driver.
Good luck!
And about 1024x600: That is a known problem. The Intel driver creates a BSOD as soon as you use a resolution higher than 800x480. The current workaround is to disable the Aero effects. With Aero Basic you can switch to higher resolutions without crashing the system.
I hope this will be fixed soon.

LordDeath said:
Hello,
please try to uninstall the the VistaECDrvV1[1].0.1.10 driver first, then reboot, install it again and reboot again. Afaik I did this to activate the touchscreen driver.
Good luck!
And about 1024x600: That is a known problem. The Intel driver creates a BSOD as soon as you use a resolution higher than 800x480. The current workaround is to disable the Aero effects. With Aero Basic you can switch to higher resolutions without crashing the system.
I hope this will be fixed soon.
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Ahh ok I didn't uninstall the previous driver 1st just tried to install over it. And I got the impression from #5 that the aero thing would work now - looks like ill be sticking with vista then thanks neway.
Kris

HTC shift (clio 160)
I had to format my htc shift (CLIO 160) and reinstall a new vista ultimate.
But since i done this, wifi and touchscreen doesnt work anymore.
I went on HTC website and downloaded the drivers for MARVELL SD8686 WIRELESS LAN SDIO ADAPTER and driver for touchscreen but it still not working.
Could you please help me.
Thank you

View Windows 8 Mobile Screen on Desktop

Hey guys,
I'm going to be demo'ing a windows 8 Mobile Device's integration with Live and our company apps. I was watching MMS 2013 videos and they showed a Windows 8 Mobile screen on their Windows 8 desktop during their demos.
Any ideas how I can do this? Using a Lumia 920.
Thanks

You can't. Developer devices include additional Drivers and Software to make this possible. Also the Software running on the Desktop for this is not released by Microsoft. There are some hacked ROMs for old WP7 devices but those won't help you with your use case.

StevieBallz said:
You can't. Developer devices include additional Drivers and Software to make this possible. Also the Software running on the Desktop for this is not released by Microsoft. There are some hacked ROMs for old WP7 devices but those won't help you with your use case.
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Well bullocks.
Thanks

[Q] about new application

how I can insall app design for wp8 at wp7
what about update wp7 to wp8 (I have hd7 wp7.8)

md80410 said:
how I can insall app design for wp8 at wp7
what about update wp7 to wp8 (I have hd7 wp7.8)
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Firstly this is Windows 8 not windows phone 8.
But in answer to your question. There is no way to update a windows phone 7 device to windows phone 8. Windows phone 8 apps physically cannot run on windows phone 7 as it lacks the APIs to do so. Most developers right now still make apps for windows phone 7 because they can run on both 7 and 8.
If you want windows phone 8 and windows phone 8 apps, get a windows phone 8 handset.

As for upgrading WP7 device to WP8, it's technically not impossible - the hardware can run it (though poorly) - but the WP8 OS was designed to require hardware features not present on WP7 handsets. Consequently, there are no WP7 devices which receive an official update to WP8.

GoodDayToDie said:
As for upgrading WP7 device to WP8, it's technically not impossible - the hardware can run it (though poorly) - but the WP8 OS was designed to require hardware features not present on WP7 handsets. Consequently, there are no WP7 devices which receive an official update to WP8.
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The biggest limitation for an update is a complete kernel swap. WP7 used the windows CE kernel. WP8 uses the windows NT kernel. For all intents and purposes this makes them entirely different operating systems and the technical difficulty of issuing an update for WP7 to 8 would be like releasing an update to the iPhone that installs android or an update to windows 8 which installs OSX.
Its only because WP7 apps are in .NET and it was possible to port .NET to WP8 that WP7 apps do run on WP8. Other than that the only relationships between the 2 platforms are name, general design style and the fact that they are made by the same company.
But otherwise. WP8 could feasibly run on WP7 handsets. Its just it wouldn't be possible to do the same way as regular software updates. Plus most WP7 devices are actually pretty low spec, they were all single core hitting clock speeds of 1.4ghz max, half gb of ram usually. Not beasts of handsets at all.

What do you mean by "regular updates"? Each Windows Phone update required the phone switching to a special "Update OS" boot mode where the "ROM" of the main OS could be modified, and at that point switching out the kernel (and associated userspace libraries) is no harder than, for example, switching out IE7 for IE9 (which the Mango update to WP7 did). Yeah, it's not really the same OS afterward, but so what? The data is still there.
Admittedly, WP7 makes substantial use of Windows Embedded Database and CE Database files, which are accessed through APIs that are CE-specific extensions to the standard Win32 API. Those would either need to be ported to the Win32/NT API, or the data in them would need to be converted to another format during the update... or the phone's configuration would need to be wiped and set up with defaults again, which would kind of suck but still be better than "no WP8 for you; go buy new hardware!"
Anyhow, this whole thread is in the wrong forum. Could somebody do something about that?

[Q] A Way to try windows phone without getting a new device

I need to try windows phone, i'm gonna get a one if i like it:cyclops:
The Web based windows phone is crap:silly:
i don't have a SnapDragon 200 or 400 so i can install windows phone 8.1 when it's out
and i have Windows 8 x86 but the SDK needs x64, i don't want to upgrade to x64 cause my RAM is Small
Any Help?????

I... can't even really tell what you're talking about. "Web based windows phone"? "i can install windows phone 8.1"?
Most stores in the US will let you try a phone for a while, and if you don't like it you can return it (sometimes there's a "re-stocking fee"). I have no idea if there's anything equivalent wherever you are...

i)If you have android...u can try with those wp launchers (although personally they are crap)
ii)Watch a lot of wp youtube videos and then sleep...xperience it in your dreams!!
iii)steal a lumia from anyone you know
iv)try it out at a store
v)dont drink bfore posting

You could try running the SDK on a virtual x64 Windows machine using Windows Virtual PC

Microsoft bypass manufacturers to update WP?

I'm about to buy a WP device, and of course it's my first WP device so I was doing some research on it.
We know that Lumia devices to WP are like Nexus device to Android, which means first gets update to new system.
And recently there a lot of wallet-friendly WP phones comes out like Prestigio, Yezz, Blu... etc, and as I have wait for 2 months that Lumia 630 dual sim is still not available in my country so I'm thinking about prestigio multiphone 8500.
Only thing I'm worrying about is system update. I take no doubt it's not gonna be as fast as Lumia devices get.
And I read an article about an app "windows preview for developers", and appears it can run on Lumia, Huawei and Samsung.
So I was wondering how does WP work?
I mean, for example the Android , each device has its own driver so need manufacturer to do the update.
And WP doesn't work that way? just like we saw on PC, one system contains almost all driver?

Each OEM device contains the Windows Phone OS + OEM/Carrier specific firmwares that do include drivers that will add and tweak things for the specific version of WP.
The Preview for Developers program allows a user to update his or her phone to the latest version of the Windows Phone OS ONLY, keeping the current firmware that you had installed BEFORE you updated the OS via the preview for developers. Before updating, Microsoft informs you that if something goes wrong with your phone, that it CAN void your warranty (unless you can get back to a previous version of the OS to match the version that is in production for your carrier).
The carriers will release the OEM/Carrier updates when they are approved.

qtwrk said:
I'm about to buy a WP device, and of course it's my first WP device so I was doing some research on it.
We know that Lumia devices to WP are like Nexus device to Android, which means first gets update to new system.
And recently there a lot of wallet-friendly WP phones comes out like Prestigio, Yezz, Blu... etc, and as I have wait for 2 months that Lumia 630 dual sim is still not available in my country so I'm thinking about prestigio multiphone 8500.
Only thing I'm worrying about is system update. I take no doubt it's not gonna be as fast as Lumia devices get.
And I read an article about an app "windows preview for developers", and appears it can run on Lumia, Huawei and Samsung.
So I was wondering how does WP work?
I mean, for example the Android , each device has its own driver so need manufacturer to do the update.
And WP doesn't work that way? just like we saw on PC, one system contains almost all driver?
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Hi,
Firstly, although now Nokia's mobile division belongs to Microsoft, I do not think as long as it is a kind of exclusivity for updates. It's just that there are only a duo (or rather all in one) Microsoft/Nokia that move your ass, the rest of the manufacturers do almost nothing, and royally fu** Windows Phone (Huawei, HTC, Samsung, etc). It is therefore felt in the updates:
- Nokia first in almost all the time
- Huawei, HTC, Samsung, etc. last
All this because some OEMs do not want to bet (big) on Windows Phone. This is unfortunate.
In addition, the updates via the Developers Preview for all models of Windows Phone 8 uild OS updates have the same time. Namely, since the GDR3 Preview, the Preview status updates become official once the release for everyone (almost no change the build version between of Preview/official).
On Windows Phone, the packages the OS portion and the firmware part *are separated*, which means that one can go without the other.
Some example (Nokia):
- Preview GDR3 WP8.0 on Lumia Amber (Lumia Amber is fully compatible under GDR2 WP8.0).
- Preview WP8.1 on Lumia Black (Lumia Black is fully compatible under GDR2 WP8.0).
- Preview GDR1 WP8.1 on Lumia Cyan (Lumia Cyan is fully compatible in WP8.1).
- Etc. (along with other OEM).
Of course, for each GDR (at minimum), OEMs need to update their firmware to make it fully compatible at this level (software-hardware).

anaheiim said:
Hi,
Firstly, although now Nokia's mobile division belongs to Microsoft, I do not think as long as it is a kind of exclusivity for updates. It's just that there are only a duo (or rather all in one) Microsoft/Nokia that move your ass, the rest of the manufacturers do almost nothing, and royally fu** Windows Phone (Huawei, HTC, Samsung, etc). It is therefore felt in the updates:
- Nokia first in almost all the time
- Huawei, HTC, Samsung, etc. last
All this because some OEMs do not want to bet (big) on Windows Phone. This is unfortunate.
In addition, the updates via the Developers Preview for all models of Windows Phone 8 uild OS updates have the same time. Namely, since the GDR3 Preview, the Preview status updates become official once the release for everyone (almost no change the build version between of Preview/official).
On Windows Phone, the packages the OS portion and the firmware part *are separated*, which means that one can go without the other.
Some example (Nokia):
- Preview GDR3 WP8.0 on Lumia Amber (Lumia Amber is fully compatible under GDR2 WP8.0).
- Preview WP8.1 on Lumia Black (Lumia Black is fully compatible under GDR2 WP8.0).
- Preview GDR1 WP8.1 on Lumia Cyan (Lumia Cyan is fully compatible in WP8.1).
- Etc. (along with other OEM).
Of course, for each GDR (at minimum), OEMs need to update their firmware to make it fully compatible at this level (software-hardware).
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thanks for your reply.
please forgive my stupidity and poor english, about GDR, can I take it like a big update on Windows , like Service Pack ? at least that's how I felt about this thing ...
what do you mean "Amber", "Black" and "Cyan" ? I assume it's like system name ? like TouchWiz , SenseUI and something ?
so I assume i bought a Prestigio Multiphone 8500 duo (WP8.1) , is it possible i get WP8.1 GDR1 myself ? (even somehow it's problematic and not fully compatible) or I must wait for OEM to do it ?

qtwrk said:
thanks for your reply.
please forgive my stupidity and poor english, about GDR, can I take it like a big update on Windows , like Service Pack ? at least that's how I felt about this thing ...
what do you mean "Amber", "Black" and "Cyan" ? I assume it's like system name ? like TouchWiz , SenseUI and something ?
so I assume i bought a Prestigio Multiphone 8500 duo (WP8.1) , is it possible i get WP8.1 GDR1 myself ? (even somehow it's problematic and not fully compatible) or I must wait for OEM to do it ?
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GDR means "General Distribution Release". GDRs provide bug fixes, modifications of any kind, add features, etc.
If Windows Phone 8 would "equal" (excuse the term) at Windows 7 (not Windows 8, because there are more Service Pack on this version), then yes a GDR would be about equal to a Service Pack.
Lumia Amber, Lumia Black and Lumia Cyan are firmware developed by Nokia. They contain all sorts of things, such as drivers, features, assembly (dll/exe), etc.
Basically, it is the firmware that makes the link between the hardware and the software. All other manufacturers are developing the firmwares for their Windows Phone, only they do not give of name at of their firmware. Nokia does.
All Windows Phone 8 will get the GDR1 of WP8.1, even your device (either by voice Preview, or by the official voice).

anaheiim said:
GDR means "General Distribution Release". GDRs provide bug fixes, modifications of any kind, add features, etc.
If Windows Phone 8 would "equal" (excuse the term) at Windows 7 (not Windows 8, because there are more Service Pack on this version), then yes a GDR would be about equal to a Service Pack.
Lumia Amber, Lumia Black and Lumia Cyan are firmware developed by Nokia. They contain all sorts of things, such as drivers, features, assembly (dll/exe), etc.
Basically, it is the firmware that makes the link between the hardware and the software. All other manufacturers are developing the firmwares for their Windows Phone, only they do not give of name at of their firmware. Nokia does.
All Windows Phone 8 will get the GDR1 of WP8.1, even your device (either by voice Preview, or by the official voice).
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if I may , i'd like to know something more about WP.
as we can see in Android , the eco-system is full of fragment , and Google couldn't push OEMs to update their devices, does Microsoft have more control over this matter ?
I mean , how could Microsoft to be so sure about all WP8 devices will get GDR1 ? for Lumia series I can understand , but what about devices of Huawei , Samsung and other OEMs ? how could Microsoft guarantee the update on NO-Lumia devices ?

qtwrk said:
if I may , i'd like to know something more about WP.
as we can see in Android , the eco-system is full of fragment , and Google couldn't push OEMs to update their devices, does Microsoft have more control over this matter ?
I mean , how could Microsoft to be so sure about all WP8 devices will get GDR1 ? for Lumia series I can understand , but what about devices of Huawei , Samsung and other OEMs ? how could Microsoft guarantee the update on NO-Lumia devices ?
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All Windows Phone 8 device has support in terms of updates. Support for Windows Phone 8 will normally end at the latest in 2016 (for some device).
On this point, you do not have to inquitez, not before long (and in hope that Microsoft to learn from their mistake with WP7).

anaheiim said:
All Windows Phone 8 device has support in terms of updates. Support for Windows Phone 8 will normally end at the latest in 2016 (for some device).
On this point, you do not have to inquitez, not before long (and in hope that Microsoft to learn from their mistake with WP7).
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with all due respect sir , i think you misunderstood me ...
my main question is , how could Microsoft possibly to oversee the update over all other OEMs ? for Lumia , there is no doubts about that ...
like they've made a contract , agreement , or such thing ?
we see how the looser Google is, in the control, special the update part of Android ...:crying:

Microsoft controls the phone update servers. If an OEM doesn't want to release an update for their phone, MS could (in theory) just push the OS update to all users of that phone anyhow. This would be functionally equivalent to using the Preview For Developers option, except doing it for everybody instead of just those who opted into it.
PFD allows you to update any WP8 device from any OEM and on any carrier as though it were an Android Nexus device: you get the updates as soon as Microsoft publishes them, without waiting on OEM/MO customizations and without the OEM or MO having any opportunity to block or delay the update unless it breaks on their firmware (in which case MS will stop pushing the update until it's fixed).