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Nexus One charging at 106F ~Froyo

my nexus one is charging on a regular basis around 106-7 F. I know there is another thread about this issue but the question was not resolved. So does anyone have experience with this issue. Is it a defect or dangerous? I have OSmonitor installed, this si where I am reading my temps. I also notice the CPU usage is pegged around 98-99%..is this normal?
I heard using setCPU with a charging profile can solve this problem if you have root?

No, it is not normal for the cpu to be maxed out while charging. Are you using the car dock or a wall charger?

nexous one
mine does the same thing all the time its not going to damage your phone at all
my phone has got about 120 F on car doc
my phone is perfect just set your set cpu for fail safe and your all good

You probably could use SetCPU to solve this problem, but the fact that your CPU usage is so high in the first place means there is something going wrong - my guess would be a rogue app.
Try downloading a task killer from the Market. Kill each app running one at a time then check your CPU usage. You'll soon find the culprit.

sn95chico said:
my phone has got about 120 F on car doc
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Yeah I'm starting to see the problem with the phone having a metal casing. Not good when it's summer and you have to place it under direct sunlight for extended amounts of time, while using navigation AND charging
That thing can get burning hot alright.

Are you using froyo 2.2?
I have had the same problem; I also have random periods of high cpu use when not charging as well. This issue is not caused by problem apps either. I must reboot to fix the issue, sometimes I must reboot several times until the cpu load is back to normal.
I am not sure it is a bug or a hardware fault. Maybe a quick call to HTC and/or google is in order.
I will also try to reapply the 2.2 update.

Marine6680 said:
I am not sure it is a bug or a hardware fault. Maybe a quick call to HTC and/or google is in order.
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Been there, done that. I opened a thread asking other users about the problem, and even mailed HTC's support. In the end I decided to try flashing the stock 2.1 rom again to see if the problem persisted, and it didn't.
I'm pretty sure it's not a hardware problem, but you might want to install eclair too and see if it works for you.

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Been there, done that. I opened a thread asking other users about the problem, and even mailed HTC's support. In the end I decided to try flashing the stock 2.1 rom again to see if the problem persisted, and it didn't.
I'm pretty sure it's not a hardware problem, but you might want to install eclair too and see if it works for you.
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I bet your heat issues are related to cpu loads or staying at high frequencies like mine. Sometimes the phone does not feel like it is really running as hard as the system monitors say, though it may still get hot.
Where can I find the older ROM? I thought the bootloader would not allow going to older ROMs, or maybe I am mistaken.
I am re-flashing the leaked 2.2 update to make sure there was no issue with the original install. I am also using the copy my GF downloaded when I sent her the instructions on the off chance that my download was corrupted in some small way; unlikely but hey. I do think that the original flash may have gone wrong, as mine hung and never rebooted after the flash was complete; I had to manually reboot. Lets hope this fixes it.
This issue may be more widespread than we realize, as many people do not actively monitor their cpu or notice/worry about the heat after charging. I do believe that these leaked ROMs send debug data to google, I remember reading something along those lines; these are internal test ROMs after all. Maybe this is a reason that 2.2 is not out yet, this and other bugs found during real world use.

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Where can I find the older ROM? I thought the bootloader would not allow going to older ROMs, or maybe I am mistaken.
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What I did was follow this guide up to the point where you have a stock eclair rom, then not upgrade to Froyo. Keep using that for some time, see whether the phone gets hot or not, THEN (if you want) move back to Froyo.

I am using the wall charger hat came with the nexus one. I am also running Froyo 2.2... can I set a CPU fail safe without my phone being rooted? Also what is a quick to check if my phone is rooted? I just bought this Nexus One from someone. I know on my G1 it was rooted bc I had Superuser permissions.

Using OSmonitor I can sort the processes by their CPU load and the one process that always has the highest load is " /init" which always has around 85-96% of the load. You can also kill these processes directly inside of OSmonitor and I have tried killing " /init" to no avail.

The fastest way I can think would be installing Lamppu, then trying to use it to light up the camera flash. If it works your phone is flashed, if it doesn't it's not.
As for your other questions... sorry, i don't know. I hope someone else can help you.

foethalove said:
Using OSmonitor I can sort the processes by their CPU load and the one process that always has the highest load is " /init" which always has around 85-96% of the load. You can also kill these processes directly inside of OSmonitor and I have tried killing " /init" to no avail.
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Thats a system process so you can not kill it.
Going to test my GFs nexus and see if she has these issues as well.

I restored my N1 to the factory image, the updated back through each update to 2.2; so far so good. My GF's N1 has been running fine since I really started watching it, so I figured it would hurt to try to restore and redo the update.

No 100% cpu load during charging any more!

i am using the Motorola charger and my phone is not getting hot at all. with the charger that comes in the box for the N1 it seems to heat up.

Still had the CPU load get stuck at 100% today; though charging is not forcing 100% loads any more.

By the way, how do you measure how busy the processor is? How do you know that it's at 100%?

frandavid100 said:
By the way, how do you measure how busy the processor is? How do you know that it's at 100%?
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System monitor apps, some will even put a little icon in the notification tray that shows current cpu load.

Battery life analysis: myths and reality

After going through lots of pain with my Vibrant (Galaxy S) to try to maximize battery life and hearing discussions on here about removing this or that to extend the NC’s battery, I thought I’d apply the same analysis techniques I learned from the Vibrant to the NC.
Thanks to many smart people (BruceElliot) in the Vibrant forum, I was turned onto an app called System Panel, which gives historical monitoring of battery usage and the apps that consume them. Here is my analysis.
First, I reimaged my NC and returned it to factory state just to be sure none of my user settings would muck this test up. Then I updated to 1.0.1 and used AutoNooter to root. Next, using the paid version of System Panel, I set up monitoring and left my NC on over night (no use). I looked at it this morning. The first picture (SummaryBarGraph) shows the historical battery usage for the past 8 hours (ignore the spikes at the end, I was actually reading a book). As you can see, there are some micro spikes while the device is “sleeping”.
Next, I looked at the top apps that have been consuming power. The second picture (TopApps) shows the apps the percentage of power they consumed over the past 8 hours. As you can see, it is very little. If I click on “System Processes”, you can see more processes running underneath it. The third picture (SystemProcessDetails) shows that there are just a handful of apps. The top one is “Suspend”, as it should be as this is when the devices is sleeping.
My conclusion:
If phone or mms or other telephony services was one of the processes listed, I could see how removing the apk would have an effect on battery life. The fact that they are not listed proves those apps have no bearing on battery life. While removing them probably does not hurt, the "increases" people see are fictional.
If you feel the need to remove those apks, I would suggest getting TitaniumBackup and just "Freezing" them. You can unfreeze at anytime with out adverse effect and not worry about screwing anything up.

Yep, System Panel works great, I've owned it for months and have it running in Monitor mode 24/7 on my Nexus One and the NC.
I seem to always have 1-2% CPU going when idle on my NC, but I have several widgets which are probably doing something nearly all of the time at any given moment...
Regardless, I see about .2%/hr battery usage in suspend and a nearly constant 8%/hr while the NC is in use regardless of wifi, and with the screen at maybe 5-10% brightness, not sure what the exact level is.
Thanks for taking the time to verify that the phone related apk's really seem to be a bit of a false positive when it comes to actual battery usage. It could be that with a heavily configured device partial wake consumes more battery than a device which doesn't have stuff running, widgets, etc... That'd be a bit hard to determine I'd think, however.
Regarldless I renamed the phone apps a week or so ago, but I am inclined to think there's really no difference on the battery life in the end.

Thank You. I too saw no improvement in battery life by removing the phone and telephony apks. Not having the phone apk caused reboots when i put the NC to sleep. Reinstalled the phone.apk and reboots stopped. At least in firmware 1.0. I have not gone back 1.1 yet.

Great Post, there were many questions of whether this saved battery life or not. Thanks.

gedster314 said:
Thank You. I too saw no improvement in battery life by removing the phone and telephony apks. Not having the phone apk caused reboots when i put the NC to sleep. Reinstalled the phone.apk and reboots stopped. At least in firmware 1.0. I have not gone back 1.1 yet.
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Nonsense, the phone apk's have nothing to do with the reboots from all of the observations on the long thread about this.
Why would you mess with 1.0.0 FW? It'll automatically update you 1.0.1 and hose your install....

Thanks for the info, makes sense these app wouln't have any impact in the absence of the related hardware.

webvan said:
Thanks for the info, makes sense these app wouln't have any impact in the absence of the related hardware.
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Reading the other threads is what got me thinking about it. Its not the phone process that kills the battery, its the radio. And if the Nook doesn't have a radio that is activated, than how can it be using power?
khaytsus said:
Nonsense, the phone apk's have nothing to do with the reboots from all of the observations on the long thread about this.
Why would you mess with 1.0.0 FW? It'll automatically update you 1.0.1 and hose your install....
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It's not the absence of the phone.apk but the way it is removed. If there were any system dependencies on that file and it all of the sudden went missing, I could see why he'd get some FC.
It's like deleting a exe from Program Files instead of using the uninstaller on a PC.

khaytsus said:
Why would you mess with 1.0.0 FW? It'll automatically update you 1.0.1 and hose your install....
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Two reasons I'm still on 1.0:
1. I changed otacerts name and, after several weeks, there have been no automatic updates, crazy system restores, or Bigfoot sightings.
2. Dolphin HD successfully changes your user agent (all except Android) on 1.0. People on 1.0.1 have reported that none work.

When you say freezing apps do you mean using adb to disable the package?
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dr3 said:
When you say freezing apps do you mean using adb to disable the package?
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No, TitaniumBackup has an option to freeze. It's different than using adb.

wvcachi said:
Two reasons I'm still on 1.0:
1. I changed otacerts name and, after several weeks, there have been no automatic updates, crazy system restores, or Bigfoot sightings.
2. Dolphin HD successfully changes your user agent (all except Android) on 1.0. People on 1.0.1 have reported that none work.
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Ditto. I'm on 1.0.0 with otacerts renamed...no auto updates, crazy re-initializations/reboots, etc. I'm leaving it alone for now.
Thanks for studying this. It sounded a little too good to be true.

gedster314 said:
Thank You. I too saw no improvement in battery life by removing the phone and telephony apks. Not having the phone apk caused reboots when i put the NC to sleep. Reinstalled the phone.apk and reboots stopped. At least in firmware 1.0. I have not gone back 1.1 yet.
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Did you have softkeys installed? Mine was rebooting too when going to sleep with wifi on and it stopped doing that after I removed the softkeys app thanks to a comment I saw in another thread. Replaced with Button Savior and no reboots with the said apks disabled (I didn't remove them, just renamed).

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Two reasons I'm still on 1.0:
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2. Dolphin HD successfully changes your user agent (all except Android) on 1.0. People on 1.0.1 have reported that none work.
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Am on 1.01 and the user agent works for me ....

I removed the softkeys app thanks to a comment I saw in another thread. Replaced with Button Savior and no reboots
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I did the same thing based on the post in that other thread and I'm up to 20 hours without a reboot so far. Keeping my NC on my desk at work today to listen for reboots

What about trying this with those two files renamed and see if that changes the battery usage?

lopezpm said:
What about trying this with those two files renamed and see if that changes the battery usage?
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I thought about doing that but the issue is that there is no phone process running for me to monitor. Doing the same process on my Vibrant shows the the phone process is indeed running and using power. Here, nothing.
I might do a comparative test to measure battery life drain per hour while idle, but I don't think its necessary at this point.

But is the System Pannel deserve your trust?

[Q] Massive data hit RESSOLVED

Bit of a tricky one this…
I’m on a Darky 4.1JVT 2.6.35.7 Ficeto and have been for months without major issues. I’m on Vodafone UK with my Galaxy S.
My average data use per month is about 600mb, I’m not a stream addict nor a mobile YouTube user but last week at 6am on Monday my phone either up or downloaded .9Gb of data, two hours later it did it again, exactly the same amount and again in two hours. In all a bit under 3Gb in 4 hours. I was in bed at 6am and off work that day. To the best of my knowledge my phone was doing nothing other than it normally does, sit there, poll emails and ring. It’s not happened before and todate it’s happened again. Have locked the gate now after the event by using Watchdog and others 3g monitoring apps.
Has anyone else spotted a one off massive data movement?
Using Watchdog and PhoneUsage I've found that SEESMIC for Android, despite background updates not being enabled has been the cause. Today I caught it doing another 1Gb via wireless this time. Time to ask Seesmic for my bill to be paid.

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Bit of a tricky one this…
I’m on a Darky 4.1JVT 2.6.35.7 Ficeto and have been for months without major issues. I’m on Vodafone UK with my Galaxy S.
My average data use per month is about 600mb, I’m not a stream addict nor a mobile YouTube user but last week at 6am on Monday my phone either up or downloaded .9Gb of data, two hours later it did it again, exactly the same amount and again in two hours. In all a bit under 3Gb in 4 hours. I was in bed at 6am and off work that day. To the best of my knowledge my phone was doing nothing other than it normally does, sit there, poll emails and ring. It’s not happened before and todate it’s happened again. Have locked the gate now after the event by using Watchdog and others 3g monitoring apps.
Has anyone else spotted a one off massive data movement?
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What does Watchdog say about the massive data consumption? have u been able to figure out, which app is reasonable for that?
Another good app to show would be radioopt widget from the market.
If u find out, let me know...another option is, to freeze the mean app with titanium backup.
Do u use a GPS app on ur phone? May be its trying to download new maps in the background?!

Many thanks for replying, I only put Watchdog on after it happened to see if it would happen again. I've spoken to Vodafone UK but they say they cannot say where it was going to or came from. However they did say they have had an increase if unaccounted for data issues with Android & iOS.

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Many thanks for replying, I only put Watchdog on after it happened to see if it would happen again. I've spoken to Vodafone UK but they say they cannot say where it was going to or came from. However they did say they have had an increase if unaccounted for data issues with Android & iOS.
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so u still dont know if this is a provider or an android-issue?! If this will happen again, let me know!
I recommended you the radioopt widget...this is just the developer. The one that i meant is called Traffic Monitor, which is more battery saving than Watchdog. You can find it here
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.radioopt.widget&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5yYWRpb29wdC53aWRnZXQiXQ..
Good luck!
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Does S-Off hurt battery life?

I've noticed a significant drop in battery life over the last few months corresponding directly to when I S-off'd my device. I've RUU'd, wiped, reformat, all of the usual stuff to make sure it's not crud apps, sync off, wifi scanning off, google now off, etc etc.
The reason I'm wondering about specifically S-off being the culprit is due to the clause HTC includes at the beginning of phone setup.. 'regardless of your 'contact htc' option, your device is considered a test device so it doesn't matter what you choose, your phone will always talk to HTC' (paraphrased). If the phone is capturing and updating various testing metrics to HTC it's never really sleeping and constantly keeping a data connection alive (even if very little data is sent).
I'm attaching a screenshot of what really 'broke the camels back' (or however it goes..). I'm not sure why wifi is shown as being on, it is most definitely turned off from the drop down panel.
Less than 5H of the phone being off the charger, less than 30M of screen on time.. something is keeping it alive and I have no idea what. This is a fresh install, I wiped the phone (w/ no restore) 3 days earlier. Amazon, Plex, Chromecast and Netflix installed. (amazon downloaded an album i had purchased, but that's it)
I've never had good battery life, but this is now in abysmal territory.

pbassjunk said:
I've noticed a significant drop in battery life over the last few months corresponding directly to when I S-off'd my device. I've RUU'd, wiped, reformat, all of the usual stuff to make sure it's not crud apps, sync off, wifi scanning off, google now off, etc etc.
The reason I'm wondering about specifically S-off being the culprit is due to the clause HTC includes at the beginning of phone setup.. 'regardless of your 'contact htc' option, your device is considered a test device so it doesn't matter what you choose, your phone will always talk to HTC' (paraphrased). If the phone is capturing and updating various testing metrics to HTC it's never really sleeping and constantly keeping a data connection alive (even if very little data is sent).
I'm attaching a screenshot of what really 'broke the camels back' (or however it goes..). I'm not sure why wifi is shown as being on, it is most definitely turned off from the drop down panel.
Less than 5H of the phone being off the charger, less than 30M of screen on time.. something is keeping it alive and I have no idea what. This is a fresh install, I wiped the phone (w/ no restore) 3 days earlier. Amazon, Plex, Chromecast and Netflix installed. (amazon downloaded an album i had purchased, but that's it)
I've never had good battery life, but this is now in abysmal territory.
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S-OFF won't affect battery afaik, because on my One I'm getting the same battery life as I did before I did S-OFF. Try using a wakelock detector to see what's affecting your battery. Also, try flashing a custom kernel (such as Kangaroo Kernel) and see if that improves battery life.

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^^^
Correct me if I'm wrong, but rooting, custom recoveries, S-off, changing pretty much anything that isn't the OS or the kernel will not affect the operation of the device. It will only ALLOW you to change it.
On a side note, you know what scares the living crap out of me? When I'm on a stock ROM and the Dialer asks for superuser. What the hell is up with that?

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but rooting, custom recoveries, S-off, changing pretty much anything that isn't the OS or the kernel will not affect the operation of the device. It will only ALLOW you to change it.
On a side note, you know what scares the living crap out of me? When I'm on a stock ROM and the Dialer asks for superuser. What the hell is up with that?
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System apps in a stock ROM usually already have Super User permissions. When you root and install SuperSU all apps must ask for super user permissions again. There's a check box in the settings to auto allow them. Previously I don't think regular SuperUser made system apps get permission again.

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System apps in a stock ROM usually already have Super User permissions. When you root and install SuperSU all apps must ask for super user permissions again. There's a check box in the settings to auto allow them. Previously I don't think regular SuperUser made system apps get permission again.
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Yeah I should have googled it before posting lol . Thanks

I S-Off'd on 1.55 Modified and have not seen any change in battery life, it should not be depended on S-Off but rather the Rom and Configuration you are using.

[Q] extreme RAM issues - has anyone experienced this?

My gf's Moto X (1st gen, stock, unrooted, Verizon, 4.4.4) has been freaking out lately and she brought it to me to investigate. The thing will sporadically tie up all of its RAM and basically become unusable. Phone gets hot and battery drains fast.
I understand how Android handles memory, so this isnt me being paranoid about available RAM...im talking about less than 20mb of available RAM and I cant even open the app drawer because it crashes. I clear all recent apps, force close anything i can, and no RAM opens up at all. Only solution is reboot and then its only good for a few hours until it gets jammed up again.
Sounds like a software issue to me, so a factory reset should fix it, but i just dont want to deal with backing up my gf's crap and heaven forbid i miss something and lose it forever. Anyone have any ideas?
PS - gsam battery monitor shows nothing noteworthy...doesnt report weird app usage, and no wakelocks or anything like that seems out of the ordinary.

prittjr said:
My gf's Moto X (1sr gen, stock, unrooted) has been freaking out lately and she brought it to me to investigate. The thing will sporadically tie up all of its RAM and basically become unusable. Phone gets hot and battery drains fast.
I understand how Android handles memory, so this isnt me being paranoid about available RAM...im talking about less than 20mb of available RAM and I cant even open the app drawer because it crashes. I clear all recent apps, force close anything i can, and no RAM opens up at all. Only solution is reboot and then its only good for a few hours until it gets jammed up again.
Sounds like a software issue to me, so a factory reset should fix it, but i just dont want to deal with backing up my gf's crap and heaven forbid i miss something and lose it forever. Anyone have any ideas?
PS - gsam battery monitor shows nothing noteworthy...doesnt report weird app usage, and no wakelocks or anything like that seems out of the ordinary.
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Version of Android? Carrier?
What apps are installed? Non-stock launcher?

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Version of Android? Carrier?
What apps are installed? Non-stock launcher?
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Updated in OP. Verizon, latest version (i believe Verizon has 4.4.4 up for moto x, so that would be the one)

prittjr said:
Updated in OP. Verizon, latest version (i believe Verizon has 4.4.4 up for moto x, so that would be the one)
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Something like Watchdog Task Manager or a memory monitor app might help you figure out what's misbehaving. Logcat might give some clues.
Personally, I think I would just prefer to backup what is necessary and reset the device. You might spend a lot of time trying to attack this from any other direction. Good luck.