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Im planning to buy an unlocked version on the nexus straight from Google.com. My question is since its going to be an unlocked version does it mean it will also have an unlocked bootloader?? I know I need to unlock the bootloader so I can root and eventually install ROMS. Also, is it true that IF i need to unlock the bootloader GOOGLE will void my warranty?
Help is appreciated.
daraj said:
Im planning to buy an unlocked version on the nexus straight from Google.com. My question is since its going to be an unlocked version does it mean it will also have an unlocked bootloader?? I know I need to unlock the bootloader so I can root and eventually install ROMS. Also, is it true that IF i need to unlock the bootloader GOOGLE will void my warranty?
Help is appreciated.
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The bootloader is not unlocked out of the box however once you have fastboot setup it's easily unlocked with one command while in the bootloader.
Yes. It voids your warranty.
uberingram said:
The bootloader is not unlocked out of the box however once you have fastboot setup it's easily unlocked with one command while in the bootloader.
Yes. It voids your warranty.
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So although its an unlocked version still the bootloader is locked? Maybe Im getting confused between an unlocked phone and an unlocked bootloader. No relation?
daraj said:
So although its an unlocked version still the bootloader is locked? Maybe Im getting confused between an unlocked phone and an unlocked bootloader. No relation?
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Unlocked phone = not SIM locked to any particular provider.
Unlocked bootloader = you can flash whatever software you like on the phone = void warranty.
packetlss said:
Unlocked phone = not SIM locked to any particular provider.
Unlocked bootloader = you can flash whatever software you like on the phone = void warranty.
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Great I guess that answers my questions. IS there a way to reverse it back to the Google locked boot-loader in case I need to return?
daraj said:
Great I guess that answers my questions. IS there a way to reverse it back to the Google locked boot-loader in case I need to return?
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At the moment, no.
this should amuse you...
the $530 "unlocked" phone from Google is Sim unlocked...but so is the $180 TMO phone from Google For kicks I put my ATT Sim in my friend's TMO N1 and as expected, it worked just fine on ATT.
Not sure why they are calling it unlocked since all being sold are unlocked (unless my friend magically received the wrong phone) but I guess if that helps move units...why not. Perhaps they mean you are not locked into any contracts by purchasing it
yea that's wat is meant....
Even the subsidized version from Tmobile is not sim locked. Same phone, just get it at a cheaper price.
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deprecate said:
this should amuse you...
the $530 "unlocked" phone from Google is Sim unlocked...but so is the $180 TMO phone from Google For kicks I put my ATT Sim in my friend's TMO N1 and as expected, it worked just fine on ATT.
Not sure why they are calling it unlocked since all being sold are unlocked (unless my friend magically received the wrong phone) but I guess if that helps move units...why not. Perhaps they mean you are not locked into any contracts by purchasing it
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The "version" you get for $180 is the exact same one you get with $530. No one ever said it was locked. What they are doing is for the $180 price, you are re-locking yourself into another 2 year contract with T-Mobile and getting the phone at a subsidized price.
Unlike the phone they sell in the stores, this will be SIM unlocked since it is NOT T-Mobile branded.
T-Mobile (as well as any other carrier) will see this as a "gray market" device and will not support it, although, they will allow it on their network.
Hope this clarification helps.
Hey guys,
Just wondering if the Sony Xperia Z will come with a locked or unlocked bootloader?
if it is locked, can it easily be relocked after unlocking it for warranty purposes?
I know there isnt much info out right now, but i have never owned a sony xperia phone so,
someone shed some light for me?
Devices from carriers usually can't be unlocked. If you buy it outright then usually it can be unlocked. The process does not record your full IMEI and can be relocked after so you are pretty safe in that regard. My HTC takes the full IMEI (so it can be identified) and if you lock it then it goes to "re-locked" and not "unlocked" .... so the sony method is actually pretty good.
Before buying you can always check on a live unit if bootloader can be unlocked.
M.
mattman83 said:
Devices from carriers usually can't be unlocked. If you buy it outright then usually it can be unlocked. The process does not record your full IMEI and can be relocked after so you are pretty safe in that regard. My HTC takes the full IMEI (so it can be identified) and if you lock it then it goes to "re-locked" and not "unlocked" .... so the sony method is actually pretty good.
Before buying you can always check on a live unit if bootloader can be unlocked.
M.
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Ah okay thanks mate,
hmm new to Sony here too. So what are the chances of pre-orders from carriers being bootloader locked? Just to clarify, does that mean carrier purchased devices are useless (if they are locked)? I was planning to get my device from Orange Uk as i can get a pretty decent 40% off the monthly tariff which makes it the best deal for me. But if it is locked then I may need to pass on this....bummer
m00moo said:
hmm new to Sony here too. So what are the chances of pre-orders from carriers being bootloader locked? Just to clarify, does that mean carrier purchased devices are useless (if they are locked)? I was planning to get my device from Orange Uk as i can get a pretty decent 40% off the monthly tariff which makes it the best deal for me. But if it is locked then I may need to pass on this....bummer
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Well, if i recall correctly, the verizon droid DNA had a permanent locked bootloader too, but the guys here on XDA found a way to crack it.
who knows, maybe there will be a loophole discovered after the first few days?
I'm currently using a T-Mobile Xperia T, and the bootloader is not unlockable. So I would guess the same for the Z.
Though I think early units are generally unlocked (but don't quote me on that but this was the case with my Galaxy SIII and another guy mentioned this for UK network 3).
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Devices from carriers usually can't be unlocked. If you buy it outright then usually it can be unlocked.
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Is this just the way sony handles it's bootloader?
I unlocked several different phones which were ordered from a carrier without problem. Depends on the device itself!
But Sony seems to be very developer-friendly. There's a developer site on sonys website, where details about bootloaders are posted. Don't know the exact url atm, I'm at work...
For me it is essential to get a phone where bootloader can be unlocked. My first phone was a lg, without custom rom I would not use it anymore...
It all depends on the country. In The Netherlands all bootloaders can be unlocked, even if it are branded handsets from a carrier.
again as mentioned this is my first Sony Android device so please bare with me. Can someone explain the reasons to unlock the bootloader as from what i've seen people have said u still can flash ROMS with a locked bootloader?
m00moo said:
hmm new to Sony here too. So what are the chances of pre-orders from carriers being bootloader locked? Just to clarify, does that mean carrier purchased devices are useless (if they are locked)? I was planning to get my device from Orange Uk as i can get a pretty decent 40% off the monthly tariff which makes it the best deal for me. But if it is locked then I may need to pass on this....bummer
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If you're getting any sort of subsidy discount, it's highly likely your device will not be unlockable.
The general rule for Sonys is: If it is sold SIM-locked, you will not be able to unlock the bootloader. If it is sold SIM-unlocked, you'll be able to unlock the bootloader. If the carrier later gives you a SIM-unlock code for a device that is sold SIM-locked, your bootloader will remain locked (Sony is working on trying to change this with carriers).
spazzy1912 said:
Well, if i recall correctly, the verizon droid DNA had a permanent locked bootloader too, but the guys here on XDA found a way to crack it.
who knows, maybe there will be a loophole discovered after the first few days?
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Sony's bootloader security is pretty strong. If the Z were likely to have a loophole, the T would've probably been defeated by now.
m00moo said:
again as mentioned this is my first Sony Android device so please bare with me. Can someone explain the reasons to unlock the bootloader as from what i've seen people have said u still can flash ROMS with a locked bootloader?
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You can cross-flash firmwares for other devices, but you cannot flash anything that has a modified kernel.
Thanks Entropy for your very helpful reply! I appreicate it
In regards to the discount, it is only because a friend works for them and in return are given a discount for friends and family. Otherwise it will be just the same as purchasing it direct from my carrier. My usual experience with purchasing a phone from a carrier, especially a newer phone which has 'just' (first batch usually) released is that they are usually simfree stock (sim unlocked), but heres hoping!
The Bell (Canada) Xperia ZL I have has an unlockable bootloader.
Only stok based roms... cm, miui, paranoid, etc bootloader must be unlocked so you can flash custom kernel
Sent from my LT26i
So therefore AOSP roms cannot run on a Locked bootloader due to requiring a different kernel. Where as variations/modded versions of Sony's rom can be flashed due to not requiring a custom kernel.
I think I understand now. The Sony rom looks decent to be honest which isn't something I can say about Touchwiz. It is actually skinned nicely and I wouldnt mind a de-bloated version of that.
I'm pretty sure sony will unlock it, judging from Sony's recent actions where they released the kernel source for the T if i'm not mistaken. Why wouldn't they do it for this monster phone right?
brambizimski said:
I'm pretty sure sony will unlock it, judging from Sony's recent actions where they released the kernel source for the T if i'm not mistaken. Why wouldn't they do it for this monster phone right?
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It's already listed on Sony's "Unlock Bootloader" site. So i guess they'll all unlock, unless you get it carrier branded/simlocked and they ( carrier ) will interfere with unlocking process.
m00moo said:
again as mentioned this is my first Sony Android device so please bare with me. Can someone explain the reasons to unlock the bootloader as from what i've seen people have said u still can flash ROMS with a locked bootloader?
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I believe you need an unlocked bootloader to be able to boot the rom?
For htc devices, you need an unlocked bootloader, but it does not have to be S OFF.
If it was S ON, you just had to do an extra process of manual flashing the boot.img through fastboot
This is pretty simple if it's sim locked then it's also bootloader locked. The issue is not if you bought it on your carrier or on a retailer store. It's about locks
spazzy1912 said:
I believe you need an unlocked bootloader to be able to boot the rom?
For htc devices, you need an unlocked bootloader, but it does not have to be S OFF.
If it was S ON, you just had to do an extra process of manual flashing the boot.img through fastboot
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Depending on what you mean by "boot the rom" i am assuming you are referring to AOSP roms which use a different kernel to stock roms usually. Thus if you cannot flash a custom rom on the phone with a "locked" bootloader, you are stuck with stock Sony type roms. Don't mind it personally just sucks i cannot experience the great kernels that the XDA devs release. Fingers cross the first batch of pre orders will be unlocked though as they are usually sim unlocked in my experience.
Riyal said:
This is pretty simple if it's sim locked then it's also bootloader locked. The issue is not if you bought it on your carrier or on a retailer store. It's about locks
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50% true. As Entropy said the simlock can be "unlocked" by the carrier. This will therefore then be a sim unlocked device, but the bootloader remains locked. This needs to be clarified to Sony noobies like myself who may think sim unlocking will result in a unlocked bootloader, or by buying a sim unlocked device from say Ebay they have definately gotten a unlocked BL.
spazzy1912 said:
I believe you need an unlocked bootloader to be able to boot the rom?
For htc devices, you need an unlocked bootloader, but it does not have to be S OFF.
If it was S ON, you just had to do an extra process of manual flashing the boot.img through fastboot
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It's different again. With a locked bootloader you can't flash a custom kernel *at all*. I'm on a HOX now so I know all about the stupid htc bootloader unlock It basically means the device is useless for custom roms etc..
Still waiting to see if my local carrier will lock it or not, they have a mixed history with simlocking devices so could go either way. If it is locked I'll just pick get an iphone instead (should be roughly same price on contract) to sell on ebay and buy my sony outright I'll make it work one way or another.
M.
someone told me it is possible to jtag my moto x runnong 4.4.2 in order to make it a dev edition , but said tht after i would not recevie any updtae which is fine ............is this possible and if so could someone direct me on how to or refer me to site tht tells me how
dgross1123 said:
someone told me it is possible to jtag my moto x runnong 4.4.2 in order to make it a dev edition , but said tht after i would not recevie any updtae which is fine ............is this possible and if so could someone direct me on how to or refer me to site tht tells me how
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I have not heard of that.
Besides the physical appearance, when it comes to the difference between the "Developer Edition" and Retail or Moto Maker edition, the only difference is unlocking the bootloader on the Dev Edition doesn't void the warranty, but on the "non-Dev" it does void the warranty.
For the most part, Motorola gives the bootloader unlock code away for free on their web site, along with the instructions to unlock. The exception being in the case of a few carriers like ATT, Verizon and Republic Wireless, where for what appears to be carrier requirements, they do NOT give out the code.
If you have ATT, VZW or Republic Wireless, and have an X built in 2014, see the China Middle Man is back thread in the general section about getting a bootloader unlock code from the only way possible at this time. But yes, it does void the warranty
KidJoe said:
I have not heard of that.
Besides the physical appearance, when it comes to the difference between the "Developer Edition" and Retail or Moto Maker edition, the only difference is unlocking the bootloader on the Dev Edition doesn't void the warranty, but on the "non-Dev" it does void the warranty.
For the most part, Motorola gives the bootloader unlock code away for free on their web site, along with the instructions to unlock. The exception being in the case of a few carriers like ATT, Verizon and Republic Wireless, where for what appears to be carrier requirements, they do NOT give out the code.
If you have ATT, VZW or Republic Wireless, and have an X built in 2014, see the China Middle Man is back thread in the general section about getting a bootloader unlock code from the only way possible at this time. But yes, it does void the warranty
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thank you for your response I do know that the unlocking the bootloader voids the warranty but again I ask is there any way to JTAG in order to unlock for att or verizonhas anyone looked into that and how reliable are the Chinese middleman for unlocking the bootloader
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thank you for your response I do know that the unlocking the bootloader voids the warranty but again I ask is there any way to JTAG in order to unlock for att or verizonhas anyone looked into that and how reliable are the Chinese middleman for unlocking the bootloader
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I have seen NOTHING on using JTAG to unlock the bootloader on the Moto X.
Since its release, the only way to UNLOCK the Bootloader on the X has been to get the unlock code.
How reliable is the middle man? Just read that thread. If the build date on your phone is 2014, you will likely be able to get a code. The middle man doesn't have "real time access" to the database containing the unlock codes, so if your phone was built a week ago, you might have to wait. As long as you meet those conditions, you'll likely get your code. In cases where the middle man didn't have the code, he's refunded the money.
Hi...someone can help me?
I have bootloader unlocked and root. If.i do update for 4.4.3 version i lost root??
hawkdown77 said:
Hi...someone can help me?
I have bootloader unlocked and root. If.i do update for 4.4.3 version i lost root??
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Nope. Not if the bootloader is unlocked...
Good Luck
hawkdown77 said:
Hi...someone can help me?
I have bootloader unlocked and root. If.i do update for 4.4.3 version i lost root??
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You might, but with an unlocked bootlaoder you can easily re-root at any time.
I have heard that some of the phones are being shipped with unlocked bootloader? So i was wondering if i unlock bootloader but don't manager to S-OFF it, does it void my warranty?
shad0wboss said:
I have heard that some of the phones are being shipped with unlocked bootloader? So i was wondering if i unlock bootloader but don't manager to S-OFF it, does it void my warranty?
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Developer editions are shipped with an unlocked bootloader. If your phone is not a dev edition, unlocking its bootloader may void your warranty as explained at htcdev.com/bootloader
shad0wboss said:
I have heard that some of the phones are being shipped with unlocked bootloader? So i was wondering if i unlock bootloader but don't manager to S-OFF it, does it void my warranty?
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also, as I found out a few days ago, when having a live chat with HTC customer services about the 5.1 update, as soon as they get your serial number, they know everything about your phone, so if you s-off'd it and converted to to dev edition, they know it was sent out and shipped as a 401 phone, ie. WWE europe by your IMEI or serial number, they can still refuse a warranty repair as they know you converted / messed with it yourself.
ps. we will get 5.1, they wouldnt say if it was with sense 6 or 7, and ETA is still unknown, 5.0 is still shipping.
Seanie280672 said:
also, as I found out a few days ago, when having a live chat with HTC customer services about the 5.1 update, as soon as they get your serial number, they know everything about your phone, so if you s-off'd it and converted to to dev edition, they know it was sent out and shipped as a 401 phone, ie. WWE europe by your IMEI or serial number, they can still refuse a warranty repair as they know you converted / messed with it yourself.
ps. we will get 5.1, they wouldnt say if it was with sense 6 or 7, and ETA is still unknown, 5.0 is still shipping.
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Well, S-OFF and just locking bootloader later before repair might still void my warranty as they'll know that i, at some point, unlocked the phone...So why bother locking bootloader?
Also I'm on lollipop and i heard that sunshine doesn't S-OFF on lollipop and trying would mean that i'll have to unlock bootloader first which may turn out to be a fail attempt... GAH HTC.....
shad0wboss said:
Well, S-OFF and just locking bootloader later before repair might still void my warranty as they'll know that i, at some point, unlocked the phone...So why bother locking bootloader?
Also I'm on lollipop and i heard that sunshine doesn't S-OFF on lollipop and trying would mean that i'll have to unlock bootloader first which may turn out to be a fail attempt... GAH HTC.....
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technically yes, but im not so sure they actually record or bother looking up whether you unlocked your bootloader or not, plenty of people have returned their phone back to 100% stock, removed the flags, locked the bootloader, gone s-on and had their phones repaired by HTC under warranty.
As for sunshine, no it doesnt yet support lollipop, and if your on Lollipop and locked, why would you want to unlock and s-off at the moment ? I understand it has some bugs still, but its still the best yet (in my opinion), however, ive never used sunshine myself, but i think you can run it on a locked bootloader, im sure I read it does everything for you, unlocks and s-off's.
Seanie280672 said:
technically yes, but im not so sure they actually record or bother looking up whether you unlocked your bootloader or not, plenty of people have returned their phone back to 100% stock, removed the flags, locked the bootloader, gone s-on and had their phones repaired by HTC under warranty.
As for sunshine, no it doesnt yet support lollipop, and if your on Lollipop and locked, why would you want to unlock and s-off at the moment ? I understand it has some bugs still, but its still the best yet (in my opinion), however, ive never used sunshine myself, but i think you can run it on a locked bootloader, im sure I read it does everything for you, unlocks and s-off's.
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Yes, sunshine does (recently) support lollipop. Version 3.0.3 is available.
Change Log
Version 3.0.3
Fixed two "Unexpected Errors"
Fixed one SuperSu Hang
Fixed HTC CDMA TempRoot Crash
Fix paypal crash
Added Mini2/Remix (s400) support
Now supporting all 4.4.4 HTC
Now supporting all rootable 5.0.x HTC
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http://theroot.ninja/download.html
So I've got a g977u model. bought it from someone I work with. have bo idea where they got it. Here's the deal. The phone was bought from Verizon because I live in the United states. it fuxked up 2 verizon sim cards when I got it. The phone still isn't paid off. But. att and tmobile and us cellular sim cards work in the phone. There is no "OEM unlock" option in developers options. but I didn't do anything special to get the other sim cards to work. JUST INSTALLED THEM. I want to root the phone but can't find a clear method. everything I find always states to toggle OEM unlock. I'm guessing this phone is already unlocked. Because it is working on other carriers. FULLY. DATA AND call/MMS.
Do I need to downgrade to pie to get the root complete. AND THEN go through the process of upgrading and patching the new firmware with magisk to get back to the newest firmware. and any clear method to root would be helpful I'm new at this. I would like a hand holding guide but I'll settle for one that isn't totally ambiguous. thanks.
Truff1epig said:
So I've got a g977u model. bought it from someone I work with. have bo idea where they got it. Here's the deal. The phone was bought from Verizon because I live in the United states. it fuxked up 2 verizon sim cards when I got it. The phone still isn't paid off. But. att and tmobile and us cellular sim cards work in the phone. There is no "OEM unlock" option in developers options. but I didn't do anything special to get the other sim cards to work. JUST INSTALLED THEM. I want to root the phone but can't find a clear method. everything I find always states to toggle OEM unlock. I'm guessing this phone is already unlocked. Because it is working on other carriers. FULLY. DATA AND call/MMS.
Do I need to downgrade to pie to get the root complete. AND THEN go through the process of upgrading and patching the new firmware with magisk to get back to the newest firmware. and any clear method to root would be helpful I'm new at this. I would like a hand holding guide but I'll settle for one that isn't totally ambiguous. thanks.
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It is sim unlocked. The bootloader is not unlocked if it holds true it's a permantly locked bootloader to being from a US carrier. You might want to do some more reading since you believe buying a sim unlocked device is the same as bootloader unlocked. No offense intended. But you will want to study a lot better so you do not damage your device trying things that would not be compatible.
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I may be wrong on the perm locked bootloader but in the past they have been in the US
My OP was all inquiry.
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It is sim unlocked. The bootloader is not unlocked if it holds true it's a permantly locked bootloader to being from a US carrier. You might want to do some more reading since you believe buying a sim unlocked device is the same as bootloader unlocked. No offense intended. But you will want to study a lot better so you do not damage your device trying things that would not be compatible.
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I may be wrong on the perm locked bootloader but in the past they have been in the US
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That entire post was asking questions. Because I don't fully understand about the unlocked bootloader. everything I'd read that I could find on the the 5g s10 kept.referring.to the OEM unlock option in developer settings. Which on my phone it's not there. So I was asking.if that meant it was OEM unlocked because I am.able.to use t mobile, att sim cards on my phone. Yes it sometimes has a notification that says the inseeted8 sim card is not from Verizon. but it.is easily dismissws away and the phone data and.talk continue to work. So maybe it is my fault I didn't ask plainly enough but if.it isn't oem.unlocked then how am.i able to use it on other carriers. Fully. and.is that not some.sort of chance if only a slim one that the phone is bootable. I mean I can read and read until my eyes hurt but the learning goes better if I have something real going on in my hands. even all my bull**** burner Android.phones seem to be models that don't have a root method. so again any actual help you could offer aside from your encouraging first message would be very helpful. stay COVIID free!
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That entire post was asking questions. Because I don't fully understand about the unlocked bootloader. everything I'd read that I could find on the the 5g s10 kept.referring.to the OEM unlock option in developer settings. Which on my phone it's not there. So I was asking.if that meant it was OEM unlocked because I am.able.to use t mobile, att sim cards on my phone. Yes it sometimes has a notification that says the inseeted8 sim card is not from Verizon. but it.is easily dismissws away and the phone data and.talk continue to work. So maybe it is my fault I didn't ask plainly enough but if.it isn't oem.unlocked then how am.i able to use it on other carriers. Fully. and.is that not some.sort of chance if only a slim one that the phone is bootable. I mean I can read and read until my eyes hurt but the learning goes better if I have something real going on in my hands. even all my bull**** burner Android.phones seem to be models that don't have a root method. so again any actual help you could offer aside from your encouraging first message would be very helpful. stay COVIID free!
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you need to go read some more.. you are trying to mix sim unlock with bl unlock which r two very different things.. no ur not oem unlocked and u dont see it cuz its not an option for u.. if ur phones sim unlocked then go use it on w.e carrier u want but oem unlock doesnt mean anything in regardsto using ur phone on other carriers..
and no, root is also not possible