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The way overclocking my original Touch helped with the lags due to the TouchFlo cube got me thinking: is it possible to overclock the Diamond beyond 528MHz? I heard before that Qualcomm processors were un-overclockable? Is this still valid? If not, how can I overclock my Diamond and what are the risks?
Blimey, how much hotter do we want the Diamond to get!
Methinks the battery isn't really up to it either...
It is hot but we need to acknowledge that it does lag sometimes.
A better battery is coming out in the near future (1350mAh) so I'm guessing we should consider overclocking.
I think the Processor is plenty fast enough . Its the operating system and a plugin that is causing the lag .
If you run the device without the 3d pluggin its very quick. Its just that the operating system is enhanced to the hardware but the pluggin is not as intergrated so will never run as fast
Count me in on anything that has the word:
Overclocking Like my insanely smoothly running Overclocked Vista Ultimate Machine!
wardy said:
I think the Processor is plenty fast enough . Its the operating system and a plugin that is causing the lag .
If you run the device without the 3d pluggin its very quick. Its just that the operating system is enhanced to the hardware but the pluggin is not as intergrated so will never run as fast
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I understand that if WM 6.1 runs smoothly on a 201MHz TI-OMAP processor, it will fly on a 528MHz processor. The point is to get TouchFlo3D to integrate that greatly with the remainder of the OS since it is the most appealing feature of the device. I think that upping the processor to say 650MHz would largely facilitate this.
no no no boys I think that more usefull will be underclock processor for better battery life when you didnt need so much performance...automated state will be the BEST!!! so try to think in this direction...
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no no no boys I think that more usefull will be underclock processor for better battery life when you didnt need so much performance...automated state will be the BEST!!! so try to think in this direction...
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I'm waiting for this option as well
is it ppossible to oc the touch diamond? and what program do i need?
i would really like to oc it!!
Bunch of fools :/ Overclocking a phone that already has overheating issues AND battery life issues.
Am I correct in thinking that there are other devices with the same processor running at 400mhz, if so the speed must be scalable? I agree that the diamond is quick already but if the speed was scalable like battery status with the TI omap I had in my old Artemis, then the battery should last longer since usually it would be running underclocked.
i will buy external bat. is there any program for oc touch diamond
kultus said:
no no no boys I think that more usefull will be underclock processor for better battery life when you didnt need so much performance...automated state will be the BEST!!! so try to think in this direction...
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Valid point. I guess the software that will overclock the Diamond will also allow underclocking so the goal is the same.
ljames28 said:
Bunch of fools :/ Overclocking a phone that already has overheating issues AND battery life issues.
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An extended battery is on the way and I haven't encountered any overheating issues yet. You better check your facts before calling everyone fools.
Apparently there isn't any such software available given that nobody has made suggestions concerning the availabilty of such software yet.
http://www.batteryupgrade.se/produc...9&PHP5SESSID=fe2844f3866fcfcdecb1881ab80afa2d
1800 mAh battery
so no software for now?
do you think it will be avilable one day?
I hope so but I think the problem is that most Qualcomm processors have fast enough clocks so the incentive for developers to look into the problem isn't that great.
Actually, how much resources are required to develop such an application? We could start raising funds to that end.
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http://www.batteryupgrade.se/produc...9&PHP5SESSID=fe2844f3866fcfcdecb1881ab80afa2d
1800 mAh battery
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Yeah. I know about this one but I also heard that GPS doesn't work well when it's on.
mennotheman said:
http://www.batteryupgrade.se/produc...9&PHP5SESSID=fe2844f3866fcfcdecb1881ab80afa2d
1800 mAh battery
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are you joking I bought Diamond because of dims and weight...If I ll want thick basta*d I ll buy HTC touch Pro muhehe or better stay with my Kaiser
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I could have sworn that the processor in the diamond is UNDERCLOCKED as standard, and does not even run at 528Mhz..
If true, probably a decision to conserve battery since 900mAH is bugger all.
Also, again if this is true, you could probably assume it could at least be clocked to 528Mhz which would speed it up, at least make a difference from what were all used to.
Even with TouchFLO3D disabled, I find the Diamond to be not as responsive as other (much older) WinMo devices, this just does not seem to make any sense. An underclocked CPU would explain a lot of things, IMO.
The question is, how can we find out the truth?
with some software like cpu-z for pc.
are there programs for oc other htc products?
Wonderful! I have the ROM Lucapicci 1.8.1 and it works very well!
http://rapidshare.com/files/224152407/Performance.exe
I think that software can be dangerous to our HD´s, have you used it during a long time? any crash?
I'm using it from 2 days without problems!
Can you at least post some more info or some screenshots.
Never know, this may just be a virus
However I have no responsibilities. Is your risk!
Good work!
How about battery usage and warming?
overclocking about 20% for such a small device, i think is not very good.
2 days no problem i think is because u havn't used maximal of the clock, if you do that constantly, i think your touch HD might start crashing (more often, it crashs quiet often already ))
Hmm I´m a big fan of every overclocking (my home pc processor is a core 2 quad that normaly has 2.4GHz and it´s working on 4.1GHz without any problems).
Now my question is where can I see that the cpu of the touch hd really runs on 624MHz? And can someone post some benchmark tests comparing to the normal speed of 520MHz please???
I did not benchmark but it is obvious when you open applications or windows folder of HD simply.
it's a fake ... isn't the first post a the subject
Im sure that its fake! it doesnt work on qualcomms cpu.. make some benchs (coreplayer, sktools) then u ll see that there´s no difference btw 528 and 624mhz...
bye
Fake
Just instaled, Bench and the results
CPU Performance: Float : 713
CPU Performance: Integer : 8216
versus std
CPU Performance: Float : 785
CPU Performance: Integer : 8220
These are pure CPU. No bottle necks. Should see approx 20% improvement
eg
900 and 9850
Its a fake
i wouldnt overclock my 900 dollar hd anyways. i used to overclock my palm tungsten devices and a couple of my treos that used pxa procs and it shortend their life considerably. i would take them from the stock 200 and 312 to 312 and 400 respectively. it did improver performance for certain things like viewing pics and watching video but i have no performance issues with the HD
Its definately not working.
I made some benchmarks!
Nothing changes, shame! Perhaps it is definitely a fake! But he's nice!
I'm sorry!
This is the standard HTC Performance application that hasn't worked for years, from before the Vogue. Doesn't support the new Qualcomm processors.
How about this?
I don't think this is fake but who is willing to fry their HD?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=507301&highlight=clockspeed
I don't understand one thing. First of all, whether if the poster is posting something real or not, I will for sure not trying to OC my device. I luv my device in anyway, and I've no complaint with the speed, even if I do, I would blame on the operating system and the software, not the hardware.
I wouldn't putting stress to my HD if I were you guys. OC nature is like this, "if you take something, you must give away something too"! What is wrong with the HD that needed to be oc??????
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I wouldn't putting stress to my HD if I were you guys. OC nature is like this, "if you take something, you must give away something too"! What is wrong with the HD that needed to be oc??????
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I think you don't understand the overclockers . Some guys are keen on getting the maximum out of their devices, its not really rational at all, but its good to know whether something like this is possible, or not.
its a choose I would not risk it , its not a PC only a mobile phone, the speed on HD currently we have is far better than shorten it life by putting overload clock speed, Kill your HD if you like
Any ideas on how to improve 3D performance on the G1? I am talking about changing things in the kernel/firmware to make 3D games run a little smoother. My favorite game on android is raging thunder 2, and it runs fine for the most part until more then one car gets on the screen. At that point it starts to lag alot. I know it was designed for faster hardware but with some mods we can make it better.
My setup:
CM based 2.6.34 kernel with BFS
Cyanogen 5.0.8 test4
No sound
All tasks killed before the game starts.
Overclocked at 691 min/max (Universal overclock, and always plugged in)
Any ideas?
One, stop killing tasks.
I'm curious if there's a way to assign more RAM to 3d. Hence a... reverse RAM hack?
r3s-rt said:
One, stop killing tasks.
I'm curious if there's a way to assign more RAM to 3d. Hence a... reverse RAM hack?
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I use the running services section under settings to kill tasks. I haven't used a separate app taskiller since my donut days. Now the reverse RAM hack seems like a good idea, but wouldn't general phone performance suffer because of that?
Ah. Smart man on the killing tasks then.
Hmm... Probably? I usually go with about 18 free... never under 10... But that's ME. Maybe giving it 5mb more? That's a ~50% increase of the original 10.7MB reserved for it. The question here is how? I'm sure it can't be too hard.
the funny thing is dude, you dont mean to boost ur GPU as everything is integrated. when it comes to lag u'd usually resort to OCing the processor. i normally stick to RT1. RT2's requirements are 700Mhz and I dont know if i wanna put ma poor G1 through that - i have a hard enough time trying to get speedforge to work propperly
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the funny thing is dude, you dont mean to boost ur GPU as everything is integrated. when it comes to lag u'd usually resort to OCing the processor. i normally stick to RT1. RT2's requirements are 700Mhz and I dont know if i wanna put ma poor G1 through that - i have a hard enough time trying to get speedforge to work propperly
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How could I have forgotten about overclock?!?! I'm one of the lucky ones my phone will boot at up to 710 Mhz for a good 30 seconds and I'm perfectly stable at around 652 Mhz. RT1 runs a lot smoother but it has a lot worse graphics. RT2 actually runs fairly well most of the time with the sound off when clocked at 528 so I dunno.
Yeah so I played with overclock some and I'm getting amazing results. When playing 3D games I've got my cpu clocked at 710 max/min and I am getting absolutely no slowdowns. My neocore benchmark is at 30.2 fps now, way higher then stock cyanogen's 22.5 ish scores. I haven't played with overclock since the universal overclock first came out and now my phone seems to be a lot more stable at higher frequencies then it was before. It's gonna kill my battery, but I'll just play with the phone plugged in lol. Problem is solved, but I'm still open to any 3D improving suggestions.
EDIT:I still get a few random reboots, specially if the phone has been idle, but performance is amazing.
EDIT2: I'm gonna have to eat my words....710max/min might have been too aggressive. Sometimes it reboots completely, sometimes it just exits out of the game. Until I posted on here I was having amazing results but a slower clock is more reasonable...I'll go with 691 max/min=p
I already overclock and undervolt my Galaxy S running Darky 8.1 with SUpero Optimize Kernel 4_6_8. But I'm not sure that this clock frequency will be safe for my device.
Hi Luke.
First of all i wouldn't recommend it at all.
Why...???
First of all, this is an expensive mobile phone.
When we put custom ROM's inside we are always doing it with a risk to get our phones ''bricked'' or unresponsive.
For example,
i have OC my PC's proccessor and i did it on purpose, but when you OC it,
your proccessor's life-time is decreasing and the question is...how long will it work!
So it's the same thing for SGS, how long will it work and is your proccessor going to get fried up.
So for me now...i'll stick to the darky's custom rom and nothing else.
LukeSP said:
I already overclock and undervolt my Galaxy S running Darky 8.1 with SUpero Optimize Kernel 4_6_8. But I'm not sure that this clock frequency will be safe for my device.
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Its up to you. I have it OC. Firstly, Overclocking doesnt mean that the processor is going to run at 1.2Ghz all the time. On the contrary, you can govern the speed of your processor and it runs to 1.2Ghz only when it needs to. For example, after using Voltage tool, use SetCpu and there you can set the mode to conservative or on-demand. Go to Info tab and there you can see for how long certain frequency/CPU speed was used and you will see different values are used, not just 1.2Ghz.
As for the safety part, Putting a custom ROM, Rooting etc is already the way your phone is not supposed to be used, risking the life and warranty.
So, it depends how you look at it. I recommend it.
Essence is its up to you and your choice to take the risk involved .
jje
Charlie Wax said:
Hi Luke.
First of all i wouldn't recommend it at all.
Why...???
First of all, this is an expensive mobile phone.
When we put custom ROM's inside we are always doing it with a risk to get our phones ''bricked'' or unresponsive.
For example,
i have OC my PC's proccessor and i did it on purpose, but when you OC it,
your proccessor's life-time is decreasing and the question is...how long will it work!
So it's the same thing for SGS, how long will it work and is your proccessor going to get fried up.
So for me now...i'll stick to the darky's custom rom and nothing else.
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theres a reason you can overclock a cpu alot more than stock, fans, coolants etc.
a computer chip needs to work whether its in the hottest climate and the coldest and thats why youve got scope to overclock the ass of the cpu if you got the fans , pipes, water blah blah blah
so the cpu overclock and the phone overclock are totaly different
regards
thebazman said:
theres a reason you can overclock a cpu alot more than stock, fans, coolants etc.
a computer chip needs to work whether its in the hottest climate and the coldest and thats why youve got scope to overclock the ass of the cpu if you got the fans , pipes, water blah blah blah
so the cpu overclock and the phone overclock are totaly different
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So would you be so kind to explain us the differences between those two things...
From my point of view...it is the same thing, the CPU will not always work at full load, as darky once said there is no need for overclocking or dual-core cpu on mobile phones.
The problem is not in the hardware, it's inside the software.
K to the question.
It is relative "safe" if you know how to do it, but not much point of doing it.
I used to have it Overclocked but saw only the slightest difference.
I think you better off with what you are on mate.
Unless you are bored want to try it out
Charlie Wax said:
So would you be so kind to explain us the differences between those two things...
From my point of view...it is the same thing, the CPU will not always work at full load, as darky once said there is no need for overclocking or dual-core cpu on mobile phones.
The problem is not in the hardware, it's inside the software.
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if you say theres no difference then fine. ive just explained why you can overclock a pc cpu.
a mobile phone processor and its cooling system is different dont you think?
well if someone says dont overclock your pc cause theres no need, would you follow that instruction ?
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btw im not saying your better of overclocking or not, its up to the individual to research or read im just pointing out theres a big difference from pc cpu and phone cpu
It depends...on my primary usage of PC.
I'm a photographer, so i need lot of CPU and RAM power, but according to that i have adequate cooling system.
But my point is overclocking is always the same thing, raising your voltage and CPU speed. Mobile phone actually doesn't need OC, the usage of CPU is written inside the program, application, software...you name it.
I agree with you that cooling is different, but c'mon mate, do u really see that big difference.
Charlie Wax said:
It depends...on my primary usage of PC.
I'm a photographer, so i need lot of CPU and RAM power, but according to that i have adequate cooling system.
But my point is overclocking is always the same thing, raising your voltage and CPU speed. Mobile phone actually doesn't need OC, the usage of CPU is written inside the program, application, software...you name it.
I agree with you that cooling is different, but c'mon mate, do u really see that big difference.
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you keep talking as if iv said ive overclocked my phone , i havnt
i just gave a pov on the differences thats all
regards
I overclocked my SGS to 1.2GHz because of Dungeon Defenders. It was unplayable with many creatures and players. After OC, the difference is huge. No problems with overheating or freezing.
How to OC SGS on Darky's ROM 9.1 with SO Kernel?
Is there any tutorial? Anybody can explain me how to OC to 1.2Ghz?
You can use Galaxy tuner app from market
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Overclocking always has risks, except on platforms designed to accommodate it. Don't overclock your phone if you rely on it for everyday use.
I have my phone at 1.3ghz for everyday use. No lagfix, its buttery smooth! I'll never go back.
I don't think its safe
Searching Google for other peoples opinion on this. I have over clocked at times and the difference is small unless you are looking at benchmarks.
I think what people don't realize is that each cpu has an average life span at its given clock speed. When you over clock i can say 100% for certain you are decreasing its life.
The decrease may be so small that the phone is going to be outdated before it dies or it could be great enough that one day in 3 months time your phone just dies and there is not really any way of knowing for sure.
So id say if you are going to over clock just be aware of that as a lot of people seam to think as long as you use profiles and don't let it get over a certain temp its doing no damage =P
martan1981 said:
I overclocked my SGS to 1.2GHz because of Dungeon Defenders. It was unplayable with many creatures and players. After OC, the difference is huge. No problems with overheating or freezing.
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strange. I have played DD1 & DD2, with standard 1GHz without any problems.
I'm on insanity cm with glitch kernel, @1.4Ghz for everyday use, very smooth, web pages load in a flash, the time it spends at that frequency is tiny, if I was gaming a guide amount I would probably go down to 1.2Ghz to be safe as it would probably warm up a bit, but I monitor everything carefully, time in state, temp, etc........to me it is worth it, but of course there is a risk, but my contract is 2 years, so phone only has to last that, and if it does fry, how are samsung going to know? They will just replace motherboard, and in any event I'm kind of old fashioned, I take responsibility for my mistakes! Do it and enjoy, or don't and forever wonder!
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Charlie Wax said:
Hi Luke.
First of all i wouldn't recommend it at all.
Why...???
First of all, this is an expensive mobile phone.
When we put custom ROM's inside we are always doing it with a risk to get our phones ''bricked'' or unresponsive.
For example,
i have OC my PC's proccessor and i did it on purpose, but when you OC it,
your proccessor's life-time is decreasing and the question is...how long will it work!
So it's the same thing for SGS, how long will it work and is your proccessor going to get fried up.
So for me now...i'll stick to the darky's custom rom and nothing else.
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yeah i agree,i don c the sense of oc,if u c the current market there r phones wiv 1.5ghz,3d chips an all those high fiv hardware.even a 2ghz dual-core is abt to come.the company has given sgs 1ghz ,but neva said its cool to oc it...i had tried oc once but frankly i dint notice any diff..but its as per personnel wish ,if u wanna oc then its right for u....
Its totally safe as long as you don't be ridiculous about it....I.e most people make kernels capable of oc to 1.7ghz but that's just stupid because you'll fry your processor, I'd say Max....1.5ghz.....oh and btw it eats your battery so I suppose theirs good and bad sides to it
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I want to know that how can I find that my cpu & gpu processors are working well ?
you know in some games I have few problems , few delays and I'm confused.
for example for "Subway Surf" I think there must be no delay or lag !
And the other question , what's your suggestion for an excellent Task Manager ?
I have tried some and now I have GO on my phone but I'm so willing to know the better one !
I sometimes got lagg on subway surf
And it only happens on stock rom tho
Its gone for me now on cm10.1
Try benchmarking apps if u really want check
Quadrant standart
Antutu
Are 2 good ones
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jasin91 said:
I want to know that how can I find that my cpu & gpu processors are working well ?
you know in some games I have few problems , few delays and I'm confused.
for example for "Subway Surf" I think there must be no delay or lag !
And the other question , what's your suggestion for an excellent Task Manager ?
I have tried some and now I have GO on my phone but I'm so willing to know the better one !
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Everything is probably ok. Our phone isn`t very good for games (stock) and JB became for slow for some.
Look for Gaming threads but, I can tell you this:
Root
Install Tegra Overclock (not tegrak) and set GPU Clock to 380 (more stable for me) or 416 for 3D and 2D. In Core Count, tick Force selected number of CPUs Online ONLY WHEN YOU WANT TO PLAY.
Maybe play with the thermal throttle.
Look for other kernels that support higher GPU clock. (don`t really recommend).
This is me, don`t know other users opinion:
Install Autokiller Memory Optmizer and set it to Extreme. This will consume more battery (my testing) but eliminates system UI lag.
This should do it.
Oh, of course, your Antutu Benchmark should result around 13k, but dont worry if you get 12k, it varies quite a bit.
I used LG boost app from development thread every time I wanna play
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