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HTC Incredible S’ Bootloader And Recovery Are Signed

bad news
read this : http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...s-bootloader-and-recovery-are-signed-as-well/

RIP HTC
Complete Fail. TT

That was one of the reasons i liked HTC, but signed recoverys are no go. If they keep this tactic, no more htc for me

JeckyllHavok said:
That was one of the reasons i liked HTC, but signed recoverys are no go. If they keep this tactic, no more htc for me
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Exactly.
I don't even understand why they would do this...do they not realize that there is a pretty decent amount of customers who buy their phones based on the fact they're completely open to customization?
I feel like this would hurt them more than it could ever help them.

It's coming home, it's coming, my Blackberry's coming home, it's coming home.
Sorry Android, sorry Google, but for me, RIM is better.

redank said:
bad news
read this : http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...s-bootloader-and-recovery-are-signed-as-well/
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Saw this as soon as I woke up this morning. Bad news indeed. Very disappointing.
Just one more reason not to get the Incredible S
derhannes1983 said:
It's coming home, it's coming, my Blackberry's coming home, it's coming home.
Sorry Android, sorry Google, but for me, RIM is better.
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I've been thinking the same thing.

There goes the only developer-friendly phone maker..

I guess that means we want see any root access/development/custom roms for the Incredible S.

Not neccessarily, as I've already posted in the rooting thread, this was already known about and hasn't stopped us yet. Please be patient and stop spreading FUD

Does this mean we will never see csutom roms, or does this mean we'll have to wait until it's cracked?

JeckyllHavok said:
That was one of the reasons i liked HTC, but signed recoverys are no go. If they keep this tactic, no more htc for me
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I Fully agree. It's a pitty HTC wants in on the control over my device game...

I also hate that they want to control our devices. My next device probably wont be an HTC anymore also, however i do like the fooling arround with my phone. id rather would have it rooted quite easily, but i dont hate it they require some manual actions, since it saves a lot of people from having malware on there phones, but hell.... this one is over the top.
Probably have the IS for the next 2 years, so got enough time to play with it haha.

@DaanJordaan
having a motorola milestone with a signature-locked bootloader i can say, that custom roms ARE available... the key-difference is, that the signature-checking bootloader only boots signed kernels. everything else can be replaced with custom-made files. as an exaple: CyanogenMod ist available for the milestone, but without the enhanced kernel.
which in essence means:
custom roms: yes
custom kernels: no
i don't know how big the difference betweet the moto-bootloader and the htc-bootloader is. but if it's somehow similar, custom roms without custom-kernels will work. which indeed sucks... but that's still better than no custom roms at all... let's just hope htc produces very well coded kernels...

I dont think its "HTC" who wants to control rhe device, i've heard its the carriers that are asking for the bootloader to be singed, so they dont have to replace a brick device someone tried ro hack,
Just be thankfull they only signed it and not encrypted it like motorola.
Sent from my Defy

Brumble said:
I dont think its "HTC" who wants to control rhe device, i've heard its the carriers that are asking for the bootloader to be singed, so they dont have to replace a brick device someone tried ro hack,
Just be thankfull they only signed it and not encrypted it like motorola.
Sent from my Defy
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That makes sense (no pun intended).
It's still not good news for the developer community though.

kaze06 said:
That makes sense (no pun intended).
It's still not good news for the developer community though.
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No it doesn't. Maybe in the US it does. I can buy a OEM Incredible S with no association with any carrier by paying full price, but seems like even these factory HTC devices are bootloader signed.

syl0n said:
No it doesn't. Maybe in the US it does. I can buy a OEM Incredible S with no association with any carrier by paying full price, but seems like even these factory HTC devices are bootloader signed.
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Its probably easier for HTC to just push all the incredible s's through the same production line.
Sent from my Defy

Don't stress on this. ~1hour after it was identified on the thunderbolt, it was bypassed.
Don't go returning phones or quitting android over this.

I hope it will get rooted, I have just sold my HTC Desire, and am looking either to get the Nexus S or this. I have every confidence in the Dev guys to crack it.
HTC really have done something silly, the only reason the Desire sold so well was because it could get rooted so easily and allowed people to do anything they liked to it!

If this info is confirmed then the LG Optimus 2X is the best new phone!
I like HTC but I am not a fanboy fanatic to limit Android to HTC devices

Vanilla android?

I was waiting on the sgs4, but after the cringe worthy unveiling last night…Im not 100% sold on it. Even with a nice vanilla rom, the hardware looks a bit boring (yeah, the screen does look nice…plus I bet the cpu+gpu will be awesome)…so my next choice is the HTC One. However, I don’t see any posts talking about Roms (other than stock/sense roms)…is this because its new…or is there an issue and custom vanilla android roms might not come out straight away?
Sorry for all the questions, just want to make sure I know whats what before jumping in (I know for example, the sgs2 couldn’t get JB roms working 100% because it was missing the Sammy HW compressor at one point)
Cheers guys

fracmo2000 said:
I was waiting on the sgs4, but after the cringe worthy unveiling last night…Im not 100% sold on it. Even with a nice vanilla rom, the hardware looks a bit boring (yeah, the screen does look nice…plus I bet the cpu+gpu will be awesome)…so my next choice is the HTC One. However, I don’t see any posts talking about Roms (other than stock/sense roms)…is this because its new…or is there an issue and custom vanilla android roms might not come out straight away?
Sorry for all the questions, just want to make sure I know whats what before jumping in (I know for example, the sgs2 couldn’t get JB roms working 100% because it was missing the Sammy HW compressor at one point)
Cheers guys
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It's just a matter of time till the No-Sense script (I believe that's what it was called for most htc phones) is adapted for the One.
However, out of the box you should be able to use something like Nova launcher to give you as much vanilla as you can get without rooting.
Hope it helped

aranab said:
It's just a matter of time till the No-Sense script (I believe that's what it was called for most htc phones) is adapted for the One.
However, out of the box you should be able to use something like Nova launcher to give you as much vanilla as you can get without rooting.
Hope it helped
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Not had an HTC phone since the Sony X1! Thanks for the heads up on the No-Sense script, I found the HTC One M7 multi purpose tool...awesome!

fracmo2000 said:
Not had an HTC phone since the Sony X1! Thanks for the heads up on the No-Sense script, I found the HTC One M7 multi purpose tool...awesome!
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wouldnt that be a sony then and not a htc lol

strikerdj2011 said:
wouldnt that be a sony then and not a htc lol
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i think he means since the time of the sony x1

You have to wait for someone to develope AOSP for this device. Typically, you have some one try to get CM going, then you'll get aokp and so on if this device is popular enough.
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strikerdj2011 said:
wouldnt that be a sony then and not a htc lol
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Would be Sony Ericsson, but the Xperia X1 was build by HTC just Software was SE.

it will need some time until someone figures out how everthing works with snapdragon cpu and until htc delivers some kernel sources... hopefully they will update to 4.2.2 anytime soon with kernel sources to get stable cm10.1

Is there really any need to flash a custom Rom on the One?

Firstly, please don't get me wrong here. Im not trolling in the slightest and I really appreciate all the work the devs do here.
With the HTC One having such high specs is there really any need to flash custom Roms? In my opinion all of them seem the same and don't look or feel any different to the stock rom on the One. The only benefit I can see is for Root access.
Im sure there is a lot of "under the hood" tweaks that are done but are these really noticeable or beneficial to the end user? Other peoples thoughts would be interesting.

dr9722 said:
Firstly, please don't get me wrong here. Im not trolling in the slightest and I really appreciate all the work the devs do here.
With the HTC One having such high specs is there really any need to flash custom Roms? In my opinion all of them seem the same and don't look or feel any different to the stock rom on the One. The only benefit I can see is for Root access.
Im sure there is a lot of "under the hood" tweaks that are done but are these really noticeable or beneficial to the end user? Other peoples thoughts would be interesting.
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Actually yes, I wish to get CM working fully on HTC One.
It gives us an alternate experience than what HTC wanted us to.
Best of all, you don't have to wait so long for HTC to update their phones.
Especially when they abandon the One, we rely on CM.
But I'm really hoping for the success of the One, nobody could resist the look and feel of the One.

Livebyte said:
Actually yes, I wish to get CM working fully on HTC One.
It gives us an alternate experience than what HTC wanted us to.
Best of all, you don't have to wait so long for HTC to update their phones.
Especially when they abandon the One, we rely on CM.
But I'm really hoping for the success of the One, nobody could resist the look and feel of the One.
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I totally agree the updates and the benefit of getting rid on Sense if you dont like it is a real benefit. But is there a need for multiple Sense custom roms?

dr9722 said:
I totally agree the updates and the benefit of getting rid on Sense if you dont like it is a real benefit. But is there a need for multiple Sense custom roms?
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That's subjective I guess. But for something like example HTC DROID DNA or Butterfly, Sense 5 gets ported before HTC did. So I guess it's also a huge benefit.

Earlier updates is the main reason why I will be rooting, these phone networks take ages to update it's unavailable!!
Also there are some very nice skinned roms out there

I won't be unlocking my bootloader for a while. Not until I am at least sure that my device is working 100% and that will take a couple of weeks. I was eager to root it etc but I was reading about HTC's warranty and it seems as though it is a very long winded process. Maybe you wish to do the same?

m00moo said:
I won't be unlocking my bootloader for a while. Not until I am at least sure that my device is working 100% and that will take a couple of weeks. I was eager to root it etc but I was reading about HTC's warranty and it seems as though it is a very long winded process. Maybe you wish to do the same?
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yep ill be in no hurry either.
when i finally get a device im happy with yea i will root and flash custom rom, but not CM - Sense 5 is great and IMO is much better than stock JB - there are a few minor things I would like added, but I have no doubt they will be added to custom sense 5 roms in due course.

to me, there is no point in being a flashaholic. flash the latest stable base, and then keep up with custom kernels for battery.
thats me, idk bout u guys

Personally something that will push me over the unlock bootloader line is when either when A) IF the HTC logo can become mapped as a button, or B) A full relock becomes available lol

For me, absolutely. I consider some features (such as long press vol key to skip tracks) essential. There are also always some visual things I like to change no matter how well it is made

I just need root to enable volume key wake, and ill want to remap the keys. Everything else looks flawless
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do you need root etc. to install flash on ONE ?

ChazyChaz said:
do you need root etc. to install flash on ONE ?
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No. To my knowledge, the built in browser has flash support.

What about Wi-Fi hotspot support?
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While there's obviously no NEED, a lot of people will prefer to flash ROMs for a variety of different reasons.
I'd say the main reasons are;
*The ability to have a pure AOSP look which is preferred by a lot of people (especially those who come from a Nexus device). Also, a lot of people don't like the look/feel of Sense and will therefore want to change the UI to something which is more preferable to them.
I, for example, have never tried Sense before and could quite possibly hate it once I finally test it. On the flip side of that, I may love it but at least custom ROMs will give me the ability to completely change the UI whilst giving me a ton more customizations and optimizations than a custom launcher would do.
*As mentioned at the end of the first reason, customization is a huge part of what a lot of people do with their devices. For example, when I had my SGS2 I used to love the ability to flash a simple ROM and have a ton of customization at my fingertips, so I could edit the look of my phone to my hearts content.
*Some people are simply flashaholics and have ORD (Obsessive ROM-flashing/updating Disorder). I'll normally flash every ROM in sight if the device is new and there aren't many ROMs available yet. This way it gives me a good early decision as to what type of ROM I'd prefer on said device. However, once the device starts getting more development and more ROMs start appearing in quick succession, I'll then make my mind up about which ROM to choose and generally won't change ROM for the vast majority of the devices lifetime.
Got a HTC? Join the HTC Hangout Thread

I unlocked, rooted and flashed now because in a few months time the phone will be setup perfectly; all the right apps, all the right data, all in the right place (and HTC might of discovered a way to do a Sensation on us (S-Off))
With the phone rooted I can be relatively confident of getting it back to my currently backed up state after any major updates (and, when I finally install some games, get their progress restored as well)
Sent from my Tricked out HTC One via xda-developers application

Sense means HTC. I don't see any reason to buy HTC if I'm not gonna use sense.

Because HTC makes great hardware. I buy HTC exclusively, but I rip sense off it ASAP and put AOKP or CM or something without sense. Nexus devices are generally not top of the line hardware, they're supposed to be a benchmark for development (i.e. midrange). That said, N4 has more impressive specs than usual, but I can't imagine buying an LG phone. I have never realized LG even made smartphones, only flip phones until the N4 was released.
Still, HTC makes best hardware, I just generally don't like sense. That said, sense 5 does look interesting.
Sent from my EVO LTE using xda premium

Having options is nice!
Dharkan said:
Sense means HTC. I don't see any reason to buy HTC if I'm not gonna use sense.
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To a certain extent, yes, I agree with you on that statement. However, sometimes you just need a change and it is nice to have the option of running AOSP roms as well. I would much rather go back and forth between Sense/AOSP than TouchWiz/AOSP after having my GS3.

No. Roms are for old devices. Lol
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Stock Android ROM

Hi all,
Is there a stock android ROM 4.2.2 similar to the Nexus 4 available to the HTC One. Had a little look in the Development section couldn't find one.
With the announcement of the HTC One Nexus Experience it has perked my interest however there's a possibility it won't come to the UK, therefore looking at getting a One and putting a stock ROM on it.
I am aware of Cyanogen Mod however I'm not a fan of it.

look again

If you look in the right section you'll find some...

Wingzer said:
Hi all,
Is there a stock android ROM 4.2.2 similar to the Nexus 4 available to the HTC One. Had a little look in the Development section couldn't find one.
With the announcement of the HTC One Nexus Experience it has perked my interest however there's a possibility it won't come to the UK, therefore looking at getting a One and putting a stock ROM on it.
I am aware of Cyanogen Mod however I'm not a fan of it.
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...yeah, no.
Talk about disrespectful....CyanogenMod is the closest you're going to get to bone-stock Android for a long time. The NE was only announced today. It doesn't even start shipping for another month.
Could have put two and two together...

LiquidSolstice said:
...yeah, no.
Talk about disrespectful....CyanogenMod is the closest you're going to get to bone-stock Android for a long time. The NE was only announced today. It doesn't even start shipping for another month.
Could have put two and two together...
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itll surely help with the AOSP source code to iron out any bugs in CM10.1

IINexusII said:
itll surely help with the AOSP source code to iron out any bugs in CM10.1
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I get that this seems to be a popular assumption, but that's not as much of a given thing as many of you would like to hope. HTC isn't obligated to release the source code for the NE One (only the kernel). If they bake Beats/Camera stuff into that ROM, there's no guarantee that our CM10.1 build will get it.
I have no doubt someone will turn the NE's ROM into a rooted stock ROM for you to flash, but I really wouldn't expect it to help CM10.1 all that much.

Once the release the HTC One with stock rom, will it be easier to port it?
Will we be able to get a fully functional working rom?
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Of course it will be easy to port it. Porting aosp roms to the LG Optimus G is dead simple because internally it is identical to the Nexus 4. Same logic applies here

Wingzer said:
Hi all,
Is there a stock android ROM 4.2.2 similar to the Nexus 4 available to the HTC One. Had a little look in the Development section couldn't find one.
With the announcement of the HTC One Nexus Experience it has perked my interest however there's a possibility it won't come to the UK, therefore looking at getting a One and putting a stock ROM on it.
I am aware of Cyanogen Mod however I'm not a fan of it.
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you must have had your eyes closed

Jheez, don't think I'll ever bother asking a question again no need for the rudeness!
And for the individual who took offence to me to not liking CM its personal preference I've never liked CM same way I've never like the AOKP either. It sure is a widespread popular ROM and I'm not insulting the developers in fact I respect anyone who can come up with a good stable ROM for android phones.

rooting the ONE is it worth it...or should i

any one regret rooting the one ? i had a htc sensation rooted but alll the roms seem to have some thing that did not work...the one seems to be fine the way it is so before i root it i wanted some option ..... do the the htc one also have roms with broken parts of it ?
should i just wait on the updates ?

Really depends on how you use your device and how you feel about the stock setup. I didn't like having all the bloatware that AT&T packed on and really wanted to play around more under the hood, but obviously that is not for everyone and comes with all of the standard risks.
I'm running the latest ViperOne ROM and really love the options that can be set and tweaked. So many ROM options available for the device the choices are almost endless.

You haven't tried Trickdroid 9.0. Amazing rom that's not missing anything! insane battery life also

does the update also add alot of features ?

I've rooted every android phone I've had and flashed numerous roms on each one but this is the first device that I've left completely stock. I don't even have an unlocked bootloader. The phone is just fine the way it is, I will not be rooting or unlocking the bootloader on this phone anytime soon. Myself and many other users used to root our phones and flash custom roms because android phones used to be incredibly laggy and we always wanted better performance. Overclocking our processors was the norm but now android has matured so much and devices are ridiculously powerful now there is just no need to change them. Even if we were to still overclock our devices you wouldn't see a change in performance.
It's completely up to you though.

Personally, I think rooting is worth it just for the ad blocking it allows; i.e. editing the hosts file. Running a custom rom, being able to backup with titanium and nandroids, and changing radios is just gravy. And if you've ever had a device go south without a custom recovery already on it it's incredibly difficult to fix.
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lampel said:
Personally, I think rooting is worth it just for the ad blocking it allows; i.e. editing the hosts file. Running a custom rom, being able to backup with titanium and nandroids, and changing radios is just gravy. And if you've ever had a device go south without a custom recovery already on it it's incredibly difficult to fix.
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Devices don't tend to break on stock, that is a case for warranty

Matt said:
Devices don't tend to break on stock, that is a case for warranty
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The wife bought a refurb Acer tablet - no warranty (I think it was thirty days.) Was ridiculous to restore. I learned my lesson, well! And I'd rather be able to fix it myself than be without while I wait for someone else to. To each their own...
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yeah if this was a slow phone or laggy maybe i would,but a have read a few tread with custom roms and some are having trouble with them,think i'll wait on update....although the 4.2.2 update seems to not be coming to t-mobile,all i got so far was a small update.

I have only had the One for a few weeks, but I rooted it and flashed CM10.1 before I even put my SIM in it. Definitely worth it. No reason to deal with carrier restrictions.

t mobile told me there is no 4.2.2 update for the htc one......HTC said the same thing,so now im wondering how come people are saying there receiving this update..
who's lying

bucknaked said:
t mobile told me there is no 4.2.2 update for the htc one......HTC said the same thing,so now im wondering how come people are saying there receiving this update..
who's lying
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There will be no 4.2.2 update from tmobile, my guess is they are gonna skip that and go straight to 4.3 plus they said it on the internet on the news that htc said it themselves and that there would be no customer benefit for an update like 4.2.2 so they said they were gonna skip it and bring up 4.3.
The update started along the lines of outside international countries that aren't big market carriers and then it rolled on slowly...so no one's lying you just have to do some research on the internet but that 4.2.2 update never got to the US thats why it was never rolled out to large carriers to their customers..
Hopefully this gave you some insight on things that are currently happening.
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leohdz148 said:
There will be no 4.2.2 update from tmobile, my guess is they are gonna skip that and go straight to 4.3 plus they said it on the internet on the news that htc said it themselves and that there would be no customer benefit for an update like 4.2.2 so they said they were gonna skip it and bring up 4.3.
The update started along the lines of outside international countries that aren't big market carriers and then it rolled on slowly...so no one's lying you just have to do some research on the internet but that 4.2.2 update never got to the US thats why it was never rolled out to large carriers to their customers..
Hopefully this gave you some insight on things that are currently happening.
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there was alot of people saying they received the 4.2.2 update to there htc one

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there was alot of people saying they received the 4.2.2 update to there htc one
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It had to have been those in the UK or in some parts of the world because it started from one small part of the world, I mean those that are not on carriers, and it did end up in parts of the UK but it never got to the US and if people who are in the US saying they got the update they changed their CID to a region that had the update rolling out so really no one on this side of the US has that software except verizon because they shipped those one models with the current software, and the GPE ones got an update first because well those aren't sold by carrier they are sold by htc themselves on their website. So yes people have said that they receive it but unless there is proof I wouldn't go off of their word, they more than likely did something to their phone to get that software, they might have a custom rom on their phone or done something to get it officially but here in the us there is no word of 4.2.2 ever coming to their customers....of course except verizon....
Well hopefully this helps...if you have any other questions or concerns please do let us know as we want to help you out
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guess i may have to root it to get the extra features,just hate all the other problems that comes with custom roms,there always updating to fix this or that.

bucknaked said:
guess i may have to root it to get the extra features,just hate all the other problems that comes with custom roms,there always updating to fix this or that.
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Not always. Running a stock 4.2.2 Rom or something without major modifications will be smooth for a long time. I ran Mike's stock build rooted for almost a month with no issues at all.
It all depends on what you want from it. If you want all the themes and icon changes and modify this and that, you will have issues. But if you JUST want the newest version out there then I would say go ahead and run a stock build, get it odexed (not deodexed) and you will have buttery smoothness
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is revone still not working for updated htc ones ?
or have they got that fixed ?

zammboss said:
You haven't tried Trickdroid 9.0. Amazing rom that's not missing anything! insane battery life also
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Hi, I am looking for ROM with better battery life than Stock.
My average battery drain about 1% for about 4-5 minutes while using Internet via WIFI for browsing using JB's 4.2.2 default browser, chatting via WhatsApp, reading emails and using Blink Feed.
How about using this ROM?
Thanks.

My main reason FOR rooting, was to theme the phone red. I have the HTC one Red edition. And just love red. I also hate blink feed. Ive flashed Venom rom, and desensed it. Battery life is amazing, I cant find anything that don't work, well nothing I need to use anyway. Plus they have there own red theme, and with the help of a few icon designes from Seriously Crazy. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2091654 This is what ive come up with.
So worth rotting for me, if only for the theming, and gtting rid of blink feed.
Steve