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//serious question//

I would like to know one thing.... What devs are moving on to the evo? I can't, mostly due to the fact that I'm a broke-ass son of a *****, and I'm afraid we won't have any good devs left. So.. If you're a dev, are you moving on to the EVO?

So far ive seen more than 6 devs leaving the hero. I guess i should start learning to make roms and themes pretty soon. Funny thing is as ive stated before, the EVO is not the android savior phone and it will have issues at launch. Hell they don't even know if they can root the the thing yet, look at all the trouble our devs are having even cracking the 2.1 release.

markus_del_marko said:
So far ive seen more than 6 devs leaving the hero. I guess i should start learning to make roms and themes pretty soon. Funny thing is as ive stated before, the EVO is not the android savior phone and it will have issues at launch. Hell they don't even know if they can root the the thing yet, look at all the trouble our devs are having even cracking the 2.1 release.
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Good point. By the way, post one more time as a reply to this.... it'll be your 100th post!

HeroMeng said:
Good point. By the way, post one more time as a reply to this.... it'll be your 100th post!
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I even saw a few EVO's pop up on craigslist for over $700. Talk about trying to rip people off.

markus_del_marko said:
I even saw a few EVO's pop up on craigslist for over $700. Talk about trying to rip people off.
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Wow.. Also, gratz on senior membership

Everyone is caught up on Froyo. I think Regaw, Treve, and me are the only ones collaborating on rooting 2.1
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evo !!!
hero is a great phone but its time to move on

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Everyone is caught up on Froyo. I think Regaw, Treve, and me are the only ones collaborating on rooting 2.1
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Id rather have rooted 2.1 then you guys can concentrate on froyo, not too much can be done anyways without the source code right?

Sporkman said:
evo !!!
hero is a great phone but its time to move on
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And how long did you own the hero before you decided that?

markus_del_marko said:
So far ive seen more than 6 devs leaving the hero. I guess i should start learning to make roms and themes pretty soon. Funny thing is as ive stated before, the EVO is not the android savior phone and it will have issues at launch. Hell they don't even know if they can root the the thing yet, look at all the trouble our devs are having even cracking the 2.1 release.
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There's a reason why people are considering it a "savior" type phone... for Sprint especially. Sprint doesn't have any "powerful" or full spec'ed phones like the Nexus one (T-Mobile, GSM carriers), or the Droid (Version). The Moment and Hero are the only two Android phones Sprint has, but they're not fully comparable to the Nexus one or Droid. Adding the Evo to its line up finally gets Sprint in the "Big boy club", now we'll officially have one of the most powerful/full featured/sought after phones in market.
This phone is a savior, not only for Sprint; but for Android all together. Look at all the hype it's getting and for good reason. ****, I don't care what Android phone gets the hype, as long as it takes it away from the ****ting/proprietary Apple products.
P.s. I bet you the Evo is rooted before it's official release; Modaco has rooted a couple of phones already this way. I wouldn't be surprised, especially with a phone like the Evo.

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lol thats crazy, heres to hoping you guys find root.
Good luck

pseudoremora said:
To be expected?
There's a reason why people are considering it a "savior" type phone... for Sprint/B] especially. Sprint doesn't have any "powerful" or full spec'ed phones like the Nexus one (T-Mobile, GSM carriers), or the Droid (Version). The Moment and Hero are the only two Android phones Sprint has, but there not fully comparable to the Nexus one or Droid. Adding the Evo to its line up finally gets Sprint in the "Big boy club", now we'll officially have one of the most powerful/full featured/sought after phones in market.
This phone is a savior, not only for Sprint; but for Android all together. Look at all the hype it's getting and for good reason. ****, I don't care what Android phone gets the hype, as long as it takes it away from the ****ting/proprietary Apple products.
P.s. I bet you the Evo is rooted before it's official release; Modaco has rooted a couple of phones already this way. I wouldn't be surprised, especially with a phone like the Evo.
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I know it will be rooted in time but it won't be right away and i can just see the endless threads about it.

markus_del_marko said:
And how long did you own the hero before you decided that?
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like EVERY phone i get i know a update is AROUND the corner just like PC parts buy 1 part with in a few weeks/months its dates /shrug .
sad fact the hero -moment will be pushed to the side like most other phones
fact is deal with it and move on or hold on to a dated phone

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like EVERY phone i get i know a update is AROUND the corner just like PC parts buy 1 part with in a few weeks/months its dates /shrug .
sad fact the hero -moment will be pushed to the side like most other phones
fact is deal with it and move on or hold on to a dated phone
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The hero is outdated before it's time IMO but yes i know it's the way things work. It all comes down to who has the extra money to blow.

markus_del_marko said:
Hell they don't even know if they can root the the thing yet, look at all the trouble our devs are having even cracking the 2.1 release.
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The EVO will be rooted, and it will be rooted before June is over. Stop posting it can't be rooted, that's false.
2.1 release isn't being handled like the original Hero release was or how the EVO release will be handled. We already have root status and 2.1 roms, so quite naturally the work on rooting the officially 2.1 is going slow. If somehow we were all magically updated to official 2.1, there would be a lot more progress on the root status of official 2.1 instead of trying to tinker with the 2.2 froyo port.
As for it not being a savior phone? It's the pure specs of the phone that are attracting most of us. 1ghz cpu, 1gb rom, 512mb RAM, not too mention many of it's features... so I fail to see how this is not a better Android/SenseUI capable phone?

Just wanted to point something out... if you click on the numbers in the poll it will tell you who voted and for yes or no.

Same here...there was a guy who listed the evo for $700(he got it from Google l/o)....at Craigslist....big time ripoff.....
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Same here...there was a guy who listed the evo for $700(he got it from Google l/o)....at Craigslist....big time ripoff.....
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Sad part is... Somebody go buy it!! And I'm going to be so jealous because that is an EASY $700 bucks..
I can see him being on a carrier other than Sprint... so he can't use the Evo as a phone.

I was going to pay full price to get the Evo since my upgrade isn't til October but I changed my mind and just going to wait. Good chance another phone will be out around that time that's just as good as the Evo if not better.

pseudoremora said:
There's a reason why people are considering it a "savior" type phone... for Sprint especially. Sprint doesn't have any "powerful" or full spec'ed phones like the Nexus one (T-Mobile, GSM carriers), or the Droid (Version). The Moment and Hero are the only two Android phones Sprint has, but they're not fully comparable to the Nexus one or Droid. Adding the Evo to its line up finally gets Sprint in the "Big boy club", now we'll officially have one of the most powerful/full featured/sought after phones in market.
This phone is a savior, not only for Sprint; but for Android all together. Look at all the hype it's getting and for good reason. ****, I don't care what Android phone gets the hype, as long as it takes it away from the ****ting/proprietary Apple products.
P.s. I bet you the Evo is rooted before it's official release; Modaco has rooted a couple of phones already this way. I wouldn't be surprised, especially with a phone like the Evo.
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I think if sprint were smart (which appears to not be the case most of the time) then they would have launched the Nexus One AND the EVO. But I guess only having one will force them to give half way decent support to someone instead of crap support to everyone.

Will the Bootloader be Locked or Unlocked?

Motorola got it so right with the Droid and then royally screwed it up with the Milestone by locking down it's bootloader, what are the odds with the new Droid X?
On a slight off topic speculation, same question for the Droid 2?

Charusen said:
Motorola got it so right with the Droid and then royally screwed it up with the Milestone by locking down it's bootloader, what are the odds with the new Droid X?
On a slight off topic speculation, same question for the Droid 2?
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Taking into account the number of previous models listed above, I'd say it's a 50/50 shot

cross my fingers, hope to die, stick a needle in my eye... lol

i can almost bet that the bootloader is locked. motorola said a few months back all their future phones will have locked bootloaders. just hope it can be hacked like the milestone, but desnt take as long.

bizzshow26 said:
i can almost bet that the bootloader is locked. motorola said a few months back all their future phones will have locked bootloaders. just hope it can be hacked like the milestone, but desnt take as long.
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This is the only thing that would make me return the Droid X. As far as I know, the Milestone bootloader still hasn't been cracked, and months on from its release, it's not looking that likely. I'm using the first 30 days to see if I can put custom roms on there or not -- if I can't, I'll go return it and wait for a better phone.

just read and no the milestone bootloader hasnt been unlocked. just hope they dont lock down this bootloader if they do i will keep my droid around for hacking perposes

If I cant put custom roms on this phone, I will not be getting it.

we may have to wait and see if their going to lock it down. i pray not, i want to keep custom roms but would rather overclock and keep the stock usablility or just theme my phone

From what I've heard, the bootloader is signed. Does anybody know if there's been any progress on the Milestone with the kexec method?

Are retail devices have Locked BootLoaders.

G1BRICKED said:
Are retail devices have Locked BootLoaders.
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That's a bit of a bummer, but I mean the phone is just plainly better than an Evo. Even if it can't flash roms, having root inside the OS is still ok. I mean that way we can do wifi tethering and stuff like that.
What really impresses me from this phone is the GPU. The Evo's sucks.

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That's a bit of a bummer, but I mean the phone is just plainly better than an Evo. Even if it can't flash roms, having root inside the OS is still ok. I mean that way we can do wifi tethering and stuff like that.
What really impresses me from this phone is the GPU. The Evo's sucks.
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Yeah, the GPU in this is really helping to sell me on it. TBH I don't mind not having custom ROMs (Android custom ROM's aren't nearly as necessary as WinMo custom ROMs IMO), but I really want to be able to overclock, since hopefully this will be able to get up to 1.2-1.3GHz, at least.

iamrobk said:
Yeah, the GPU in this is really helping to sell me on it. TBH I don't mind not having custom ROMs (Android custom ROM's aren't nearly as necessary as WinMo custom ROMs IMO), but I really want to be able to overclock, since hopefully this will be able to get up to 1.2-1.3GHz, at least.
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I am sure it can do those frequencies provided someone hacks the bootloader. But I have a feeling even if the snapdragon is at 1.2ghz it probably is equal to the Droid x's 1ghz OMAP proc.
It's just a better phone, it just has a bit odd stylistically, thank goodness the front looks smexy.
I wish Froyo would come out to it earlier, but it's not a must. (I want Flash )

With all the competition I can't see myself picking this up with a locked boot loader. Development efforts will seriously be non existent. Foolish on motorola's part. They gain nothing by locking it and ultimately lose sales.

Can someone clarify: an earlier poster said that the bootloader had been accessed, but the rest of the posts are going along the lines that the bootloader is NOT unlocked...
does anyone have any clarity for this one

timing?
Using the Droid as an example anyone remember how long it took "them" to figure out whether the bootloader was locked? Trying to figure out if this will be determined before I trying to pick one up on the 15th.

Wow this has been eye opening. I have been a long time winmo user and love flashing ROM's. I'm about to switch to verizon and was already sold on the X but after reading about the locked boot loader I think I'll stick with HTC devices, or at least the original moto droid. This will be a deal breaker sorry moto

There is a person at androidforums who has a Droid X. He is doing a Q&A right now. He has been asked twice (once by me) if the bootloader is locked or not. He is unsure how to check this (as am I). Figured someone here may be able to help him out. Since I cannot post links the thread is "Droid X in my hands on monday". Hopefully something good will come out of this.

jte6263 said:
Wow this has been eye opening. I have been a long time winmo user and love flashing ROM's. I'm about to switch to verizon and was already sold on the X but after reading about the locked boot loader I think I'll stick with HTC devices, or at least the original moto droid. This will be a deal breaker sorry moto
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All Winmo / HTC phones are locked at the beginning and you get a great unlocker usually from Olipro. It usually takes a month or so for this to happen. Not sure why you would think an Android device would be different or why this would be a deal breaker for you. I am sure there will be someone who knows enough about the bootloader who will figure out how to unlock it.

symyn said:
All Winmo / HTC phones are locked at the beginning and you get a great unlocker usually from Olipro. It usually takes a month or so for this to happen. Not sure why you would think an Android device would be different or why this would be a deal breaker for you. I am sure there will be someone who knows enough about the bootloader who will figure out how to unlock it.
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I would feel more at ease if the precedence set by the milestone didn't exist...

Questions about DroidX development.

Alright, I currently have an Incredible. I have yet to root it, because I'm thinking about using my 30 day satisfaction guarantee to switch for the DroidX. Now, from my understanding, root is essentially inevitable on all phones. However, the Incredible has custom ROMs available already, whereas from reading a thread elsewhere, it's looking like it will be nigh impossible to get custom ROMs for the DroidX? Is this true? Does that mean the Incredible is unsigned?
I was considering switching to the DroidX because of the bigger screen, better video and sound quality, among other reasons. Should I still consider this, or am I better off sticking with my Incredible?

The Inc. bootloader apparently will work with non-signed ROMs. Motorola has started to make their bootloaders check for a valid digital signature on any ROM it starts to load. If there is not a valid digital signature on the ROM, it won't load it. Therefore you cannot load a custom ROM with that type of bootloader. It hasn't been determined if the bootloader on the X will only work with digitally signed ROMs, but that is the expectation.
Whether or not you care depends on what you expect to do with the phone. Many people don't care to load custom ROMs. If the manufacturer keeps up with development, then the need for custom ROMs drops even further. There will always be those people that want to play around and tweak ROMs, but the general poplulation won't bother with ROMs.
It just depends on what you want to do.....

This is purely a guess... but I would venture to say the X will be rooted at some point. I'm basing this off the assumption nothing new is being implemented here. I can't imagine this phone is suddenly using some new technology that cannot be cracked.
But who knows. Only time will tell.

sic0048 said:
It just depends on what you want to do.....
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As I understand it, the Milestone is the only phone Motorola has locked down the ability to load unsigned roms. Is it also the only Android phone released by Motorola since the Droid? How can we know if this is something they simply decided to do after they released the Droid or if it was a one-off? I've read they said they will require signed roms on all future phones, but who knows. I thought the Droid was vanilla android, is the milestone not. If it runs without a manufacturer custom UI, what's the point of locking it down?
I dropped my iPhone in the lake a month ago, but was planning on replacing it in July with an Android phone anyway. I was waiting for the Evo, and now the Droid X but I don't think I can wait any longer without a phone. Reading all the reviews of the Droid X I've just ignored all critisism of the UI assuming I'd be able to throw vanilla Froyo on there within a few days when the community released something. This is really discouraging and sorry to say even with the Motorola UI I think it's still my best option. As a side rant, I know it's been said before, but I don't see how this is any different than buying a computer and not being allowed to put whatever OS I want on it as long as I can find drivers. It seems like the sort of thing the FTC would go after Dell or HP for doing, so why should smart-phones be any different, especially unsubsidized? In short, to answer your question, I'd like to not have the annoyance of feeling like MY hardware is being arbitrarily limited by the manufacturer, even if their custom android "does" everything I need it to.
What if you wanted to do development on your phone and not just virtual consoles on your computer. In a year or two is your only option going to be a designated development phone like the Nexus One? I can see why it has little effect on Motorola, people who care make up a very small percentage, but shouldn't Google care enough to step in and prevent Motorola from doing this?

Ok, I'm fairly new to all this, which leads me to my confusion on this issue. If we are worried about the bootloader, as with the milestone - no roms then what is this about?
[ROM][V0.3][28.06.2010] Senseui Mod for Milestone - xda-developers
Is he using a different version of milestone?

All im looking to do is get rid of the bloat apps that the X comes with. Even if we cant have custom roms, can this still be done? Im coming from an Omnia and i know the only way to get rid of the useless stuff was to flash. Does this work the same way with Android?
Yes Yes i have never had a Android phone before. Very excited about making the switch once the X is released

sjones765 said:
Ok, I'm fairly new to all this, which leads me to my confusion on this issue. If we are worried about the bootloader, as with the milestone - no roms then what is this about?
[ROM][V0.3][28.06.2010] Senseui Mod for Milestone - xda-developers
Is he using a different version of milestone?
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From what I understand, there's a[n experimental?] method to bypass the bootloader entirely on the milestone, and slip in a custom ROM that way. I think it's called kextern.
Mudvayne622 said:
All im looking to do is get rid of the bloat apps that the X comes with. Even if we cant have custom roms, can this still be done? Im coming from an Omnia and i know the only way to get rid of the useless stuff was to flash. Does this work the same way with Android?
Yes Yes i have never had a Android phone before. Very excited about making the switch once the X is released
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Once it's rooted, yes, you could easily do that. However if you don't like the psuedo-blur UI, there would be no way to get rid of that if the bootloader is encrypted.

Jyosua said:
However if you don't like the psuedo-blur UI, there would be no way to get rid of that if the bootloader is encrypted.
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Installing something like LauncherPro will go a long way towards removing the blur-like elements on the droidx. Getting rid of the motorola widgets and using a 3rd party launcher brings you fairly close to a stock android experience.

about DroidX development
The developer will need to CUSTOM make it for the EVO.

Vanilla android?

I was waiting on the sgs4, but after the cringe worthy unveiling last night…Im not 100% sold on it. Even with a nice vanilla rom, the hardware looks a bit boring (yeah, the screen does look nice…plus I bet the cpu+gpu will be awesome)…so my next choice is the HTC One. However, I don’t see any posts talking about Roms (other than stock/sense roms)…is this because its new…or is there an issue and custom vanilla android roms might not come out straight away?
Sorry for all the questions, just want to make sure I know whats what before jumping in (I know for example, the sgs2 couldn’t get JB roms working 100% because it was missing the Sammy HW compressor at one point)
Cheers guys

fracmo2000 said:
I was waiting on the sgs4, but after the cringe worthy unveiling last night…Im not 100% sold on it. Even with a nice vanilla rom, the hardware looks a bit boring (yeah, the screen does look nice…plus I bet the cpu+gpu will be awesome)…so my next choice is the HTC One. However, I don’t see any posts talking about Roms (other than stock/sense roms)…is this because its new…or is there an issue and custom vanilla android roms might not come out straight away?
Sorry for all the questions, just want to make sure I know whats what before jumping in (I know for example, the sgs2 couldn’t get JB roms working 100% because it was missing the Sammy HW compressor at one point)
Cheers guys
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It's just a matter of time till the No-Sense script (I believe that's what it was called for most htc phones) is adapted for the One.
However, out of the box you should be able to use something like Nova launcher to give you as much vanilla as you can get without rooting.
Hope it helped

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It's just a matter of time till the No-Sense script (I believe that's what it was called for most htc phones) is adapted for the One.
However, out of the box you should be able to use something like Nova launcher to give you as much vanilla as you can get without rooting.
Hope it helped
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Not had an HTC phone since the Sony X1! Thanks for the heads up on the No-Sense script, I found the HTC One M7 multi purpose tool...awesome!

fracmo2000 said:
Not had an HTC phone since the Sony X1! Thanks for the heads up on the No-Sense script, I found the HTC One M7 multi purpose tool...awesome!
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wouldnt that be a sony then and not a htc lol

strikerdj2011 said:
wouldnt that be a sony then and not a htc lol
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i think he means since the time of the sony x1

You have to wait for someone to develope AOSP for this device. Typically, you have some one try to get CM going, then you'll get aokp and so on if this device is popular enough.
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wouldnt that be a sony then and not a htc lol
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Would be Sony Ericsson, but the Xperia X1 was build by HTC just Software was SE.

it will need some time until someone figures out how everthing works with snapdragon cpu and until htc delivers some kernel sources... hopefully they will update to 4.2.2 anytime soon with kernel sources to get stable cm10.1

Is there really any need to flash a custom Rom on the One?

Firstly, please don't get me wrong here. Im not trolling in the slightest and I really appreciate all the work the devs do here.
With the HTC One having such high specs is there really any need to flash custom Roms? In my opinion all of them seem the same and don't look or feel any different to the stock rom on the One. The only benefit I can see is for Root access.
Im sure there is a lot of "under the hood" tweaks that are done but are these really noticeable or beneficial to the end user? Other peoples thoughts would be interesting.

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Firstly, please don't get me wrong here. Im not trolling in the slightest and I really appreciate all the work the devs do here.
With the HTC One having such high specs is there really any need to flash custom Roms? In my opinion all of them seem the same and don't look or feel any different to the stock rom on the One. The only benefit I can see is for Root access.
Im sure there is a lot of "under the hood" tweaks that are done but are these really noticeable or beneficial to the end user? Other peoples thoughts would be interesting.
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Actually yes, I wish to get CM working fully on HTC One.
It gives us an alternate experience than what HTC wanted us to.
Best of all, you don't have to wait so long for HTC to update their phones.
Especially when they abandon the One, we rely on CM.
But I'm really hoping for the success of the One, nobody could resist the look and feel of the One.

Livebyte said:
Actually yes, I wish to get CM working fully on HTC One.
It gives us an alternate experience than what HTC wanted us to.
Best of all, you don't have to wait so long for HTC to update their phones.
Especially when they abandon the One, we rely on CM.
But I'm really hoping for the success of the One, nobody could resist the look and feel of the One.
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I totally agree the updates and the benefit of getting rid on Sense if you dont like it is a real benefit. But is there a need for multiple Sense custom roms?

dr9722 said:
I totally agree the updates and the benefit of getting rid on Sense if you dont like it is a real benefit. But is there a need for multiple Sense custom roms?
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That's subjective I guess. But for something like example HTC DROID DNA or Butterfly, Sense 5 gets ported before HTC did. So I guess it's also a huge benefit.

Earlier updates is the main reason why I will be rooting, these phone networks take ages to update it's unavailable!!
Also there are some very nice skinned roms out there

I won't be unlocking my bootloader for a while. Not until I am at least sure that my device is working 100% and that will take a couple of weeks. I was eager to root it etc but I was reading about HTC's warranty and it seems as though it is a very long winded process. Maybe you wish to do the same?

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I won't be unlocking my bootloader for a while. Not until I am at least sure that my device is working 100% and that will take a couple of weeks. I was eager to root it etc but I was reading about HTC's warranty and it seems as though it is a very long winded process. Maybe you wish to do the same?
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yep ill be in no hurry either.
when i finally get a device im happy with yea i will root and flash custom rom, but not CM - Sense 5 is great and IMO is much better than stock JB - there are a few minor things I would like added, but I have no doubt they will be added to custom sense 5 roms in due course.

to me, there is no point in being a flashaholic. flash the latest stable base, and then keep up with custom kernels for battery.
thats me, idk bout u guys

Personally something that will push me over the unlock bootloader line is when either when A) IF the HTC logo can become mapped as a button, or B) A full relock becomes available lol

For me, absolutely. I consider some features (such as long press vol key to skip tracks) essential. There are also always some visual things I like to change no matter how well it is made

I just need root to enable volume key wake, and ill want to remap the keys. Everything else looks flawless
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do you need root etc. to install flash on ONE ?

ChazyChaz said:
do you need root etc. to install flash on ONE ?
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No. To my knowledge, the built in browser has flash support.

What about Wi-Fi hotspot support?
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While there's obviously no NEED, a lot of people will prefer to flash ROMs for a variety of different reasons.
I'd say the main reasons are;
*The ability to have a pure AOSP look which is preferred by a lot of people (especially those who come from a Nexus device). Also, a lot of people don't like the look/feel of Sense and will therefore want to change the UI to something which is more preferable to them.
I, for example, have never tried Sense before and could quite possibly hate it once I finally test it. On the flip side of that, I may love it but at least custom ROMs will give me the ability to completely change the UI whilst giving me a ton more customizations and optimizations than a custom launcher would do.
*As mentioned at the end of the first reason, customization is a huge part of what a lot of people do with their devices. For example, when I had my SGS2 I used to love the ability to flash a simple ROM and have a ton of customization at my fingertips, so I could edit the look of my phone to my hearts content.
*Some people are simply flashaholics and have ORD (Obsessive ROM-flashing/updating Disorder). I'll normally flash every ROM in sight if the device is new and there aren't many ROMs available yet. This way it gives me a good early decision as to what type of ROM I'd prefer on said device. However, once the device starts getting more development and more ROMs start appearing in quick succession, I'll then make my mind up about which ROM to choose and generally won't change ROM for the vast majority of the devices lifetime.
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I unlocked, rooted and flashed now because in a few months time the phone will be setup perfectly; all the right apps, all the right data, all in the right place (and HTC might of discovered a way to do a Sensation on us (S-Off))
With the phone rooted I can be relatively confident of getting it back to my currently backed up state after any major updates (and, when I finally install some games, get their progress restored as well)
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Sense means HTC. I don't see any reason to buy HTC if I'm not gonna use sense.

Because HTC makes great hardware. I buy HTC exclusively, but I rip sense off it ASAP and put AOKP or CM or something without sense. Nexus devices are generally not top of the line hardware, they're supposed to be a benchmark for development (i.e. midrange). That said, N4 has more impressive specs than usual, but I can't imagine buying an LG phone. I have never realized LG even made smartphones, only flip phones until the N4 was released.
Still, HTC makes best hardware, I just generally don't like sense. That said, sense 5 does look interesting.
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Having options is nice!
Dharkan said:
Sense means HTC. I don't see any reason to buy HTC if I'm not gonna use sense.
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To a certain extent, yes, I agree with you on that statement. However, sometimes you just need a change and it is nice to have the option of running AOSP roms as well. I would much rather go back and forth between Sense/AOSP than TouchWiz/AOSP after having my GS3.

No. Roms are for old devices. Lol
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