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Questions about DroidX development.

Alright, I currently have an Incredible. I have yet to root it, because I'm thinking about using my 30 day satisfaction guarantee to switch for the DroidX. Now, from my understanding, root is essentially inevitable on all phones. However, the Incredible has custom ROMs available already, whereas from reading a thread elsewhere, it's looking like it will be nigh impossible to get custom ROMs for the DroidX? Is this true? Does that mean the Incredible is unsigned?
I was considering switching to the DroidX because of the bigger screen, better video and sound quality, among other reasons. Should I still consider this, or am I better off sticking with my Incredible?

The Inc. bootloader apparently will work with non-signed ROMs. Motorola has started to make their bootloaders check for a valid digital signature on any ROM it starts to load. If there is not a valid digital signature on the ROM, it won't load it. Therefore you cannot load a custom ROM with that type of bootloader. It hasn't been determined if the bootloader on the X will only work with digitally signed ROMs, but that is the expectation.
Whether or not you care depends on what you expect to do with the phone. Many people don't care to load custom ROMs. If the manufacturer keeps up with development, then the need for custom ROMs drops even further. There will always be those people that want to play around and tweak ROMs, but the general poplulation won't bother with ROMs.
It just depends on what you want to do.....

This is purely a guess... but I would venture to say the X will be rooted at some point. I'm basing this off the assumption nothing new is being implemented here. I can't imagine this phone is suddenly using some new technology that cannot be cracked.
But who knows. Only time will tell.

sic0048 said:
It just depends on what you want to do.....
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As I understand it, the Milestone is the only phone Motorola has locked down the ability to load unsigned roms. Is it also the only Android phone released by Motorola since the Droid? How can we know if this is something they simply decided to do after they released the Droid or if it was a one-off? I've read they said they will require signed roms on all future phones, but who knows. I thought the Droid was vanilla android, is the milestone not. If it runs without a manufacturer custom UI, what's the point of locking it down?
I dropped my iPhone in the lake a month ago, but was planning on replacing it in July with an Android phone anyway. I was waiting for the Evo, and now the Droid X but I don't think I can wait any longer without a phone. Reading all the reviews of the Droid X I've just ignored all critisism of the UI assuming I'd be able to throw vanilla Froyo on there within a few days when the community released something. This is really discouraging and sorry to say even with the Motorola UI I think it's still my best option. As a side rant, I know it's been said before, but I don't see how this is any different than buying a computer and not being allowed to put whatever OS I want on it as long as I can find drivers. It seems like the sort of thing the FTC would go after Dell or HP for doing, so why should smart-phones be any different, especially unsubsidized? In short, to answer your question, I'd like to not have the annoyance of feeling like MY hardware is being arbitrarily limited by the manufacturer, even if their custom android "does" everything I need it to.
What if you wanted to do development on your phone and not just virtual consoles on your computer. In a year or two is your only option going to be a designated development phone like the Nexus One? I can see why it has little effect on Motorola, people who care make up a very small percentage, but shouldn't Google care enough to step in and prevent Motorola from doing this?

Ok, I'm fairly new to all this, which leads me to my confusion on this issue. If we are worried about the bootloader, as with the milestone - no roms then what is this about?
[ROM][V0.3][28.06.2010] Senseui Mod for Milestone - xda-developers
Is he using a different version of milestone?

All im looking to do is get rid of the bloat apps that the X comes with. Even if we cant have custom roms, can this still be done? Im coming from an Omnia and i know the only way to get rid of the useless stuff was to flash. Does this work the same way with Android?
Yes Yes i have never had a Android phone before. Very excited about making the switch once the X is released

sjones765 said:
Ok, I'm fairly new to all this, which leads me to my confusion on this issue. If we are worried about the bootloader, as with the milestone - no roms then what is this about?
[ROM][V0.3][28.06.2010] Senseui Mod for Milestone - xda-developers
Is he using a different version of milestone?
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From what I understand, there's a[n experimental?] method to bypass the bootloader entirely on the milestone, and slip in a custom ROM that way. I think it's called kextern.
Mudvayne622 said:
All im looking to do is get rid of the bloat apps that the X comes with. Even if we cant have custom roms, can this still be done? Im coming from an Omnia and i know the only way to get rid of the useless stuff was to flash. Does this work the same way with Android?
Yes Yes i have never had a Android phone before. Very excited about making the switch once the X is released
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Once it's rooted, yes, you could easily do that. However if you don't like the psuedo-blur UI, there would be no way to get rid of that if the bootloader is encrypted.

Jyosua said:
However if you don't like the psuedo-blur UI, there would be no way to get rid of that if the bootloader is encrypted.
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Installing something like LauncherPro will go a long way towards removing the blur-like elements on the droidx. Getting rid of the motorola widgets and using a 3rd party launcher brings you fairly close to a stock android experience.

about DroidX development
The developer will need to CUSTOM make it for the EVO.

NinjaBlur Home on Motorola Droid?

Is there any possible way to port that BlurHome.apk in the Droid X dump to the Motorola Droid, I couldn't find it in the forums.

thepwneddroid said:
Is there any possible way to port that BlurHome.apk in the Droid X dump to the Motorola Droid, I couldn't find it in the forums.
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There is a way by most likely porting the whole build over. But I'm waiting for the droid2 to come out which is supposed to have ninjablur running on froyo. It should be a very easy port since it's basically an upgraded droid from what I've heard.

Ok, great. thanks for the reply.

zenulator said:
There is a way by most likely porting the whole build over. But I'm waiting for the droid2 to come out which is supposed to have ninjablur running on froyo. It should be a very easy port since it's basically an upgraded droid from what I've heard.
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so, now that the droid 2 is out, r u working on a rom?

if I may interject, that may be hard due to the locked bootloader, but stranger things have happened, though I do wonder what you find desirable in blur. Not meant to be rude, it's just that launcher pro payed has awsome homescreen widgets for social networks, and to my knowlede one of the main reasons people root is to rid their phones of forced upon software like blur. Though if it's really uninvasive, I guess I could see how that could be usefull. (oh, btw hardware changes all the time, just because its the droid 2, don't automatically think its an easy port to throw onto the D1) Did you know the Htc Incredible was originally supposed to have 8 gigs of rom, and, I believe like 2 gigs of ram, too. Though you see how that played out, slap the droid label on anything and you can sell about half the actual device to people at the same price, but I digress. Basically, if you really, really want this ported, make some developer friends online, ask nicely on the forums, or, you know, become a rom chef.

HTC Incredible S’ Bootloader And Recovery Are Signed

bad news
read this : http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...s-bootloader-and-recovery-are-signed-as-well/

RIP HTC
Complete Fail. TT

That was one of the reasons i liked HTC, but signed recoverys are no go. If they keep this tactic, no more htc for me

JeckyllHavok said:
That was one of the reasons i liked HTC, but signed recoverys are no go. If they keep this tactic, no more htc for me
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Exactly.
I don't even understand why they would do this...do they not realize that there is a pretty decent amount of customers who buy their phones based on the fact they're completely open to customization?
I feel like this would hurt them more than it could ever help them.

It's coming home, it's coming, my Blackberry's coming home, it's coming home.
Sorry Android, sorry Google, but for me, RIM is better.

redank said:
bad news
read this : http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...s-bootloader-and-recovery-are-signed-as-well/
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Saw this as soon as I woke up this morning. Bad news indeed. Very disappointing.
Just one more reason not to get the Incredible S
derhannes1983 said:
It's coming home, it's coming, my Blackberry's coming home, it's coming home.
Sorry Android, sorry Google, but for me, RIM is better.
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I've been thinking the same thing.

There goes the only developer-friendly phone maker..

I guess that means we want see any root access/development/custom roms for the Incredible S.

Not neccessarily, as I've already posted in the rooting thread, this was already known about and hasn't stopped us yet. Please be patient and stop spreading FUD

Does this mean we will never see csutom roms, or does this mean we'll have to wait until it's cracked?

JeckyllHavok said:
That was one of the reasons i liked HTC, but signed recoverys are no go. If they keep this tactic, no more htc for me
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I Fully agree. It's a pitty HTC wants in on the control over my device game...

I also hate that they want to control our devices. My next device probably wont be an HTC anymore also, however i do like the fooling arround with my phone. id rather would have it rooted quite easily, but i dont hate it they require some manual actions, since it saves a lot of people from having malware on there phones, but hell.... this one is over the top.
Probably have the IS for the next 2 years, so got enough time to play with it haha.

@DaanJordaan
having a motorola milestone with a signature-locked bootloader i can say, that custom roms ARE available... the key-difference is, that the signature-checking bootloader only boots signed kernels. everything else can be replaced with custom-made files. as an exaple: CyanogenMod ist available for the milestone, but without the enhanced kernel.
which in essence means:
custom roms: yes
custom kernels: no
i don't know how big the difference betweet the moto-bootloader and the htc-bootloader is. but if it's somehow similar, custom roms without custom-kernels will work. which indeed sucks... but that's still better than no custom roms at all... let's just hope htc produces very well coded kernels...

I dont think its "HTC" who wants to control rhe device, i've heard its the carriers that are asking for the bootloader to be singed, so they dont have to replace a brick device someone tried ro hack,
Just be thankfull they only signed it and not encrypted it like motorola.
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Brumble said:
I dont think its "HTC" who wants to control rhe device, i've heard its the carriers that are asking for the bootloader to be singed, so they dont have to replace a brick device someone tried ro hack,
Just be thankfull they only signed it and not encrypted it like motorola.
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That makes sense (no pun intended).
It's still not good news for the developer community though.

kaze06 said:
That makes sense (no pun intended).
It's still not good news for the developer community though.
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No it doesn't. Maybe in the US it does. I can buy a OEM Incredible S with no association with any carrier by paying full price, but seems like even these factory HTC devices are bootloader signed.

syl0n said:
No it doesn't. Maybe in the US it does. I can buy a OEM Incredible S with no association with any carrier by paying full price, but seems like even these factory HTC devices are bootloader signed.
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Its probably easier for HTC to just push all the incredible s's through the same production line.
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Don't stress on this. ~1hour after it was identified on the thunderbolt, it was bypassed.
Don't go returning phones or quitting android over this.

I hope it will get rooted, I have just sold my HTC Desire, and am looking either to get the Nexus S or this. I have every confidence in the Dev guys to crack it.
HTC really have done something silly, the only reason the Desire sold so well was because it could get rooted so easily and allowed people to do anything they liked to it!

If this info is confirmed then the LG Optimus 2X is the best new phone!
I like HTC but I am not a fanboy fanatic to limit Android to HTC devices

kexec bootloader bypass coming in a few days

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1519448&page=21:D
once we get it ported to the D3 helloooo camcorder and adobe flash!

Huh?
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this loads a seperate kernel once the stock locked one loads so we can run a custom kernel for our roms.

GAHH!!!!!!
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fap?

This looks awesome, I can't wait to get chrome loaded up on my XT860 running AOKP.

DoubleYouPee said:
fap?
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yes, this is worthy of a fap, once its ported my body is ready

ssinisterss said:
yes, this is worthy of a fap, once its ported my body is ready
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If this works for us, im kicking Bar Refaeli out of my house. This would be better than anything she could provide.

ssinisterss said:
yes, this is worthy of a fap, once its ported my body is ready
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your body...LMAO!!!!!

Well, we won't necessarily have it in a few days. It will take a lot of work to port it to our devices because of hardware differences, and we would need someone very good at coding these types of things.

Pokelover980 said:
Well, we won't necessarily have it in a few days. It will take a lot of work to port it to our devices because of hardware differences, and we would need someone very good at coding these types of things.
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it wont be as hard as it seems, we have the same internals as the razr minus the 1gb ram. i dont know if the kexec is the same (it should be for the omap 4430) but the only coding that would be different is getting the kexec to take the modded kernel. once its released for the razr within the week im sure hash is gonna have some fun with this.

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it wont be as hard as it seems, we have the same internals as the razr minus the 1gb ram. i dont know if the kexec is the same (it should be for the omap 4430) but the only coding that would be different is getting the kexec to take the modded kernel. once its released for the razr within the week im sure hash is gonna have some fun with this.
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There was some discussion of this over at the Razr forum in that thread. The differences between the GSM and CDMA versions of the Razr are alone enough to cause major pains in porting it between the two devices, and it was originally developed for the GSM version.

i would think that since its a nice sized topic in our razr forums its gonna work for CDMA too. the dev of the work around won a developer contest and recieved a CDMA razr along with kejar.

Yay gsm!
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Pardon my ignorance on the topic, but this allows us to use another kernel on top of the stock one, but not replace it right? Is the only downside a longer boot time? Also will this be relatively easy to port due to similar hardware or will that another challenge in itself.

Yankeefan144 said:
Pardon my ignorance on the topic, but this allows us to use another kernel on top of the stock one, but not replace it right? Is the only downside a longer boot time? Also will this be relatively easy to port due to similar hardware or will that another challenge in itself.
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so far the longer boot time is the only downside but its not a bad thing considering we reboot only to flash roms or refresh the phone a couple times a week and since it will let us have a fully working rom. this lets the phone boot with the gingerbread kernel behind the bootloader, then after the M splash screen it will boot into the ICS or modified GB kernel that is loaded.
we would have to have hashcode or anyone that has any kind of knowledge of how this really works tell us the time frame. as it stands we dont know anything other than it works on GSM razrs, and the dev has a CDMA razr he is porting it to and its days from release. we need to see the details on how to approach porting this to the D3/D4/bionic. it may not be that hard since its designed to do only 1 thing and hardware is mostly the same.

OP you are being way too optimistic in this thread. Chances of this being ported for D3 is very low as aboves has stated. It won't be anywhere as easy as changing the string "RAZR" to "Droid 3" in the kernels

eXecuter.bin said:
OP you are being way too optimistic in this thread. Chances of this being ported for D3 is very low as aboves has stated. It won't be anywhere as easy as changing the string "RAZR" to "Droid 3" in the kernels
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like i said we have a few guys in here that have experience with coding. if it could be done with the cdma razr it can be done for the rest of them.

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like i said we have a few guys in here that have experience with coding. if it could be done with the cdma razr it can be done for the rest of them.
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It's taking quite a long time to be ported from the GSM Razr to the CDMA one, though. There aren't many hardware differences between those two devices, but for those differences it's taking a large amount of time. Now imagine how long it will take, and how complicated it will be to port, with all of the hardware differences between the Droid 3 and the Razr (and not to mention the different models of the D3; I assume a kexec module for the XT862 would not work on the XT860 or XT883 without changes). You are being a bit too optimistic here, especially with your thread title. It's less a bootloader bypass and more a "we're just gonna load our own kernel after the bootloader loaded the default one, but we still can't change anything about the boot process."
I hate to be the bearer of bad news and the one to shoot down everyone's hopes and dreams, but at the same time I don't want people to get too worked up over this and then get incredibly disappointed when it doesn't come or takes ungodly forever for it to come to use.

Well, you went to the other extreme and assumed it's impossible to port and that even if it could be done it would suck or something like that.
I'd like to take a more neutral stance on this and
a) be exited that this approach is being taken on locked devices.
b) be exited that a relatively similar device to the D3 is getting this kind of attention. because it could make things easier for D3 devs to port it to this device.
c) wait patiently, with no ETA expectations and offer to help with whatever I can to the devs.
I think it's much better than waiting for someone to crack moto's keys.
It's at least a chance.
Hope devs can ( and want to ) do something with this : )
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It's taking quite a long time to be ported from the GSM Razr to the CDMA one, though. There aren't many hardware differences between those two devices, but for those differences it's taking a large amount of time. Now imagine how long it will take, and how complicated it will be to port, with all of the hardware differences between the Droid 3 and the Razr (and not to mention the different models of the D3; I assume a kexec module for the XT862 would not work on the XT860 or XT883 without changes). You are being a bit too optimistic here, especially with your thread title. It's less a bootloader bypass and more a "we're just gonna load our own kernel after the bootloader loaded the default one, but we still can't change anything about the boot process."
I hate to be the bearer of bad news and the one to shoot down everyone's hopes and dreams, but at the same time I don't want people to get too worked up over this and then get incredibly disappointed when it doesn't come or takes ungodly forever for it to come to use.
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I want the Moto X, but....

I'm coming from a Verizon Galaxy Nexus. I was going to wait for the Nexus 5--but everything points to it not being available on Verizon. So...
I enjoy ROM hackery and all that. I don't like the idea of safe strapping specifically because I have to lose available data space. Not even that, but I've heard safestrapping in general is tricky. My brother used to have a Bionic. He safestrapped--he said it was awful the hoops and hurdles he had to get through to use a custom ROM. Luckily, I plan on using the Stock software while using Xposed Framework to be able to customize the things I need. I plan on rooting.
However, I'm going to miss some stuff. To my knowledge, you can't have custom kernels on safestrapped devices (feel free to correct me). I like that since the GNexus had custom kernels and tweaks out the wazzoo, I was able to change the gamma values for the screen to make it look even nicer. I like the GNexus screen. However, I went to the Verizon store today and played around with the MotoX--I enjoy the screen, I love the feel of the phone, it looks great--super fast also. I don't know what to do. I'm looking for some opinions, even if they are biased. Maybe that's what I need.
So.... what do?

natezire71 said:
I'm coming from a Verizon Galaxy Nexus. I was going to wait for the Nexus 5--but everything points to it not being available on Verizon. So...
I enjoy ROM hackery and all that. I don't like the idea of safe strapping specifically because I have to lose available data space. Not even that, but I've heard safestrapping in general is tricky. My brother used to have a Bionic. He safestrapped--he said it was awful the hoops and hurdles he had to get through to use a custom ROM. Luckily, I plan on using the Stock software while using Xposed Framework to be able to customize the things I need. I plan on rooting.
However, I'm going to miss some stuff. To my knowledge, you can't have custom kernels on safestrapped devices (feel free to correct me). I like that since the GNexus had custom kernels and tweaks out the wazzoo, I was able to change the gamma values for the screen to make it look even nicer. I like the GNexus screen. However, I went to the Verizon store today and played around with the MotoX--I enjoy the screen, I love the feel of the phone, it looks great--super fast also. I don't know what to do. I'm looking for some opinions, even if they are biased. Maybe that's what I need.
So.... what do?
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If you get the Dev edition you can unlock the boot loader and flash when things become available. If you get the vzw version there is a chance you'll get it before the ota and you can root. If its updated, root isn't available.
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rmead01 said:
If you get the Dev edition you can unlock the boot loader and flash when things become available. If you get the vzw version there is a chance you'll get it before the ota and you can root. If its updated, root isn't available.
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But the dev edition is crazy expensive.

kernels are for the most part a no go, on that note once safestrap gets better it is quite easy to use and looks like there will be decent development soon. it wont be anything like the nexus line but even stock with xposed framework mods you can totally customize an already great phone !

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kernels are for the most part a no go, on that note once safestrap gets better it is quite easy to use and looks like there will be decent development soon. it wont be anything like the nexus line but even stock with xposed framework mods you can totally customize an already great phone !
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Will we ever be able to adjust kernel parameters though? Maybe? If I got a dev edition would kernels be plausible?

you can play with the kernel play with speeds and change governor and shceduler probly more im not sure. anything is plausable on a developer edition as long as someone develops for it.

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you can play with the kernel play with speeds and change governor and shceduler probly more im not sure. anything is plausable on a developer edition as long as someone develops for it.
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But what about the non-dev version? Would we be able to change kernel stuff too? I can't afford the Dev edition unfortunately.

Here my experience.
I came from an sgs3, before that I had the sgs2, HTC vivid and infuse... With each one I was a flashaholic, I enjoyed tweaking with the phones, rooting, flashing custom roms, building my own... Both stock based and cm.
I was a little concerned about the locked bl on the moto x. But, I quickly came to realize that this phone was damn near perfect right out of the box, basically what I have tried to achieve on all my other devices, yet failing to do so. Yes, there are a few things I miss, but it pales in comparison to having a phone that I trust to "just simply work" but it doesn't "just simply work" it "fu**ing works brilliantly"
I can now say that I do not miss flashing Roms and kernels, I don't miss backing up and restoring data through nandroids every other day, I don't miss soft bricks and bootloops, I don't miss flashing cm/aosp and breaking functionality... Simply put, i don't miss feeling like I need to consistently flash to have an enjoyable experience. I have found a new enjoyment... Having a phone that is innovative, reliably and comfortable, that works as intended... The battery life is amazing, I don't think I could live without active notifications now and always listening and the accuracy of voice recognition makes hands free use actually enjoyable and practical, every other past phone just made hands free a headache and stress inducing.
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Sry the first part of that statement was about the consumer edition lol. You can change some stuff with the kernel but I usually don't mess with that to much. The phone is smooth as hell and just needs minor visual tweeks IMO.

theraffman said:
Here my experience.
I came from an sgs3, before that I had the sgs2, HTC vivid and infuse... With each one I was a flashaholic, I enjoyed tweaking with the phones, rooting, flashing custom roms, building my own... Both stock based and cm.
I was a little concerned about the locked bl on the moto x. But, I quickly came to realize that this phone was damn near perfect right out of the box, basically what I have tried to achieve on all my other devices, yet failing to do so. Yes, there are a few things I miss, but it pales in comparison to having a phone that I trust to "just simply work" but it doesn't "just simply work" it "fu**ing works brilliantly"
I can now say that I do not miss flashing Roms and kernels, I don't miss backing up and restoring data through nandroids every other day, I don't miss soft bricks and bootloops, I don't miss flashing cm/aosp and breaking functionality... Simply put, i don't miss feeling like I need to consistently flash to have an enjoyable experience. I have found a new enjoyment... Having a phone that is innovative, reliably and comfortable, that works as intended... The battery life is amazing, I don't think I could live without active notifications now and always listening and the accuracy of voice recognition makes hands free use actually enjoyable and practical, every other past phone just made hands free a headache and stress inducing.
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Sry the first part of that statement was about the consumer edition lol. You can change some stuff with the kernel but I usually don't mess with that to much. The phone is smooth as hell and just needs minor visual tweeks IMO.
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I figured it was.
That's what I've heard. It sounds incredible. The only thing I'm going to need to change is the Quick Settings. I also really need quick replies from the SMS app--I don't think there is anyway to get those. :|

I was in the same situation and I decided to switch to AT&T for the moto x. If the Nexus 5 is sweet i can just sell the moto x and buy it off contract...
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yes in safestrap..hashcode has kexec tools built in. but the kernel will have to have kexec patches to boot with Safestrap. i know Hashcode is planning on working on that for the consumer version
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What I'd do if I were you is buy a 5s with my upgrade . sell it and get Dev edition
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natezire71 said:
I figured it was.
That's what I've heard. It sounds incredible. The only thing I'm going to need to change is the Quick Settings. I also really need quick replies from the SMS app--I don't think there is anyway to get those. :|
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Slide messaging can do it unrooted
Rooted you can replace stock messaging with cyanogen messaging

sleepyguy007 said:
What I'd do if I were you is buy a 5s with my upgrade . sell it and get Dev edition
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Oh **** that's smart. That's REALLY smart. I was thinking maybe get a G2 and sell it.

tw1tch175 said:
Rooted you can replace stock messaging with cyanogen messaging
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Oh yeah. Duh... Lol.

natezire71 said:
Oh **** that's smart. That's REALLY smart. I was thinking maybe get a G2 and sell it.
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yeah if you are trying to effectively sell your upgrade, its almost always best to get an apple product.
i mean if you got a gold one right now who knows you could probably do pretty well.

sleepyguy007 said:
yeah if you are trying to effectively sell your upgrade, its almost always best to get an apple product.
i mean if you got a gold one right now who knows you could probably do pretty well.
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The thing is, I didn't want to spend $200 or whatever the 5s costs. I wanted to spend $100 on Amazon for the upgrade to the Moto X. However, if I paid $20 more, I could get a G2.

natezire71 said:
The thing is, I didn't want to spend $200 or whatever the 5s costs. I wanted to spend $100 on Amazon for the upgrade to the Moto X. However, if I paid $20 more, I could get a G2.
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valid point.
but i think you'll get more for a iphone.
and i think the market for itis bigger . i mean if the G2 costs $80 less, but someone pays you $100 more for the iphone.. i tend to like doign the iphone route, just because theres so many "THE HOTTEST ANDROID" phone that they drop in price fast. with the iphone if you are slow to sell it, you arent gonna immediately lose value.
if you can upgrade using verizonwireless.com you acn do the VERIZON30 code on say the note 3 and get 30% off. dont know if that works on iphone. and then sell the note 3 possibly is another idea.

sleepyguy007 said:
yeah if you are trying to effectively sell your upgrade, its almost always best to get an apple product.
i mean if you got a gold one right now who knows you could probably do pretty well.
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This and also do everything you can to keep them from even opening the box the phone it in, with the plastic still on it it's worth more