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Int. Razr HD, Razr i on T-Mobile USA?

My parents are considering ditching VZW and going with T-Mobile. The bring-your-own-phone discount T-Mo offers is really appealing to them, and my dad's a huge Moto fan (IDK why). So, that said, i went poking around, and found a couple reviews that stated they were pentaband phones? I know Pentaband usually means T-Mobile 4G-friendly (EG galaxy nexus) but i really wanted to confirm that they would work on T-Mo at full speed before recommending either of the phones.
According to GSMArena, these are the bands the phones have:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
So... how would they fare?
Thanks in advance!

Is the phone unlocked? My Droid 3 had to be flashed to even work on gsm plus unlocked. It will work with 3g if you live in an area on air portal.de.
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They're European Sim-free phones, so yes, they're unlocked. The Razor I is already out, the Razor HD is coming soon.

mtmerrick said:
They're European Sim-free phones, so yes, they're unlocked. The Razor I is already out, the Razor HD is coming soon.
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It doesn't have the 1700 mHz band, so unless you live in an area that T-Mobile has completed (or is in the process of), the refarming of the 1900 mHz band to,HSPA+ you will only get EDGE data speeds. Calls and texts will work fine.
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Also that is not a pentaband phone it's quadband.
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So for future reference, the 1700 MHz band is important one? Is that single band used for 3G and HSPA+ "4G", or just one of them?

mtmerrick said:
So for future reference, the 1700 MHz band is important one? Is that single band used for 3G and HSPA+ "4G", or just one of them?
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T-Mobile uses both the 1700mHz and the 2100mHz bands, you need both to get "4G" or HSPA+ (since HSPA+ is really 3.5G you will fall back to EDGE is the phone is not compatible.)
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Babydoll25 said:
T-Mobile uses both the 1700mHz and the 2100mHz bands, you need both to get "4G" or HSPA+ (since HSPA+ is really 3.5G you will fall back to EDGE is the phone is not compatible.)
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Thank you, I've been wondering this for a while
*bookmarks page for future reference*

mtmerrick said:
Thank you, I've been wondering this for a while
*bookmarks page for future reference*
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One is the downlink, the other the uplink. I believe the 1700mHz band is the downlink.
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Babydoll25 said:
One is the downlink, the other the uplink. I believe the 1700mHz band is the downlink.
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Correct. Thankfully the refarm is going well and it should be hitting the top 100 markets soon. I'm really excited for Wichita getting this because I'm stuck on edge.

MrObvious said:
Correct. Thankfully the refarm is going well and it should be hitting the top 100 markets soon. I'm really excited for Wichita getting this because I'm stuck on edge.
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They have already lit up the 1900mHz band in parts of brooklyn and manhattan (nyc). Since I live in Jersey it shouldn't be too long before I have HSPA+ on my One X....
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Any news of the network updates coming to Southern California?

mtmerrick said:
Any news of the network updates coming to Southern California?
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Check hofo (howardforums). They have a thread dedicated to people posting updates about the refarm.
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So-cal has been getting some refarming already.
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So that means the Xperia T will work on non-refarmed areas, on '4G'?
Here are the bands, as according to gsmarena:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100

mtmerrick said:
So that means the Xperia T will work on non-refarmed areas, on '4G'?
Here are the bands, as according to gsmarena:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100
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Whoa very nice you can use either AT&T or T-Mobile for 3G without worrying about refarming.

Sry I hope i dont double post here cause i dont have the timd to read the full thread just my two cents:
Motorola RAZR i
No 4G at all
Unlocked and carrier free
Will it be released in the US? I thought it wouldnt...
And when amazon germany is correct it will be released on 15., two days later i will get it
Again sry for (possible) double posting
//Robert

1) Razr i has, AFAIK, AT&T HSPA+ "4G" radios, just no LTE
2) sim free version, yes
3) In the US we get the Droid Razr M, which is identical except for its S4 CPU and VZW LTE radios. Doesn't stop us from importing the GSM Razr i tho
4) I thought it was already out?

Uk only so far i think, France and Germany up next. Sweden seems to be a no show

Thanks for correcting me
Though im on vacation till 18th so i will get it on 20th when i meet a friend who ordered it for me :/
//Robert
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Unlocked Version Spec Differences, Band Differences?

If I were to buy an unlocked version from HTC, or from another retailer, maybe from the UK, are the specs different? What about the hspa, hspa+, or LTE bands?
Right now I have TMO, if I could find an unlocked version before they release the phone, I'll buy that, just curious about the specs and usage.

LTE won't work at all. HSPA+ might but on TMOUS you probably won't get HSPA+ unless the variant has AWS.

Anyway to know?
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purchase the HTC DEV EDITION.

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=4041
LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900
WCDMA 850 / 1900 / 2100
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
T-Mobile version supports WCDMA 1700 instead of LTE 850/1900

I want to buy the phone outright, but since I live in Houston, there is LTE with both T-Mobile and ATT, will the Developer edition allow for LTE on either carrier? I don't want to get stuck with something that only has Edge of HSPA+ speeds.

Unless I"m missing something, the T-Mo version would work on all bands on both AT&T and T-Mobile. The Dev edition wouldn't get you HSPA on AWS for T-Mobile (which is almost all of T-MO HSPA), nor would you get WiFi calling if you were going to be using T-Mobile.
Edit: More info on the Dev edition:
http://www.phonedog.com/2013/04/05/...ick-off-today-scheduled-to-ship-out-april-19/

oryan_dunn said:
Unless I"m missing something, the T-Mo version would work on all bands on both AT&T and T-Mobile. The Dev edition wouldn't get you HSPA on AWS for T-Mobile (which is almost all of T-MO HSPA), nor would you get WiFi calling if you were going to be using T-Mobile.
Edit: More info on the Dev edition:
http://www.phonedog.com/2013/04/05/...ick-off-today-scheduled-to-ship-out-april-19/
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Would putting the eventual TMOUS radio on the Dev Edition get us AWS HSPA? I can give up the extra LTE bands.

OCedHrt said:
Would putting the eventual TMOUS radio on the Dev Edition get us AWS HSPA? I can give up the extra LTE bands.
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I have no idea.

It seems strange to me. Why is the regular version (sold on Handtec, Clove etc...) more expensive than the developers version?

OCedHrt said:
Would putting the eventual TMOUS radio on the Dev Edition get us AWS HSPA? I can give up the extra LTE bands.
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Now that I think about it, since it's a dev phone, why wouldn't they enable all bands if it were technically capable? Seems to me there'd be a hardware difference limiting the bands.
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romitkin said:
It seems strange to me. Why is the regular version (sold on Handtec, Clove etc...) more expensive than the developers version?
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Are those importers?

From what i've read, the Developer edition is 64GB and only available in Silver (booo!)
And it doesn't support HSPA+ on T Mobile in the USA
However, I don't care about T Mobile HSPA+, what I want to know is if it will work on other UK networks with HSPA+
All the information i can find goes on about T mobile....does anyone know if it contains HSPA+ that works on other networks?
This website says:
http://www5-shopamerica.htc.com/cell-phones/productdetail.htm?prId=41599
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)
However, I think HTC are going to pimp any and all versions possible
We already now know the nexus edition is coming
As this design is so popular, I would image they will start making HTC One Mini, HTC One Pad and other improvements to the current design
I had a tweet back from one of their developers about a black 64gb dev version, she said anything is possible
I would imagine they are just having stock issues at present, so i'm hoping for a black version

Does The HTC One Dev Edition Have Quad Band???

Hi,
As the title implies, is the htc one dev phone quad band? and if not, is any htc one quad band? of course they are locked down to use certain frequencies and what not to specific carriers.
Thing Im getting at is... if it indeed does have quad band then there is room for devs to find a way for people like me to get LTE on t-mobile and not just 3G. Unfortunately, the devs phone tend to favor ATT and leaves t-mobile hanging when it comes to 4G.
Many thanks,
Tim

Becool0130 said:
Hi,
As the title implies, is the htc one dev phone quad band? and if not, is any htc one quad band? of course they are locked down to use certain frequencies and what not to specific carriers.
Thing Im getting at is... if it indeed does have quad band then there is room for devs to find a way for people like me to get LTE on t-mobile and not just 3G. Unfortunately, the devs phone tend to favor ATT and leaves t-mobile hanging when it comes to 4G.
Many thanks,
Tim
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I have been told that when a radio is available then we could flash it. But I haven't been able to confirm this and I too want to know about this. 1700mhz band is what Tmobile uses. This really could be the difference between me getting an S4 and this phone.

I believe that the dev edition out of the box will not support 1700 for TMO but I also believe that is a software limitation and not a hardware one as I believe it is the same hardware as the at&t version.
MG

Becool0130 said:
Hi,
As the title implies, is the htc one dev phone quad band? and if not, is any htc one quad band? of course they are locked down to use certain frequencies and what not to specific carriers.
Thing Im getting at is... if it indeed does have quad band then there is room for devs to find a way for people like me to get LTE on t-mobile and not just 3G. Unfortunately, the devs phone tend to favor ATT and leaves t-mobile hanging when it comes to 4G.
Many thanks,
Tim
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Dev version has same frequency as AT&T version
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE:
US (AT&T): 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz
3G for Tmobile is not supported but I guess 4G is supported because it has AWS

1900 mhz is t-mobile 3G network it will have 3G but no 4G. Unless the devs get there hands on the 1700 soon.
My other question still applies from above. Is this phone indeed a quad band one?
Thanks
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Becool0130 said:
1900 mhz is t-mobile 3G network it will have 3G but no 4G. Unless the devs get there hands on the 1700 soon.
My other question still applies from above. Is this phone indeed a quad band one?
Thanks
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Anyone know for a fact that a radio flash would enable 1700?

I couldn't find exact specs, but the report on ifixit (can't post link) tells that there is a Qualcomm MDM9215M Communications Chip for GSM/UMTS/LTE. The other chip TriQuint TQM7M9023 is for Quad Band usage, GSM etc.
I am trying to find out, which Frequencies this chip supports.
I want to buy the US Dev Edition 64GB for use in Europe and I am still hoping that flashing a new radio rom is a work-around to get it working everywhere.
Maybe somebody has already done it?

Becool0130 said:
1900 mhz is t-mobile 3G network it will have 3G but no 4G. Unless the devs get there hands on the 1700 soon.
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It's actually 7-band (700/850/900/AWS/1800/1900/2100)... but not all bands are available for all technologies. Here is what you get:
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz - This will give you 3G support on AT&T and MAY give you 3G/4G support on T-Mobile, but only in the limited areas where T-Mobile has already migrated their 1900MHz spectrum to HSPA+. In most areas, their 3G/4G service is limited to the AWS band which the HTC One Developer Edition only supports for LTE.
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz - This will give you 2G/2.5G support on pretty much every GSM provider.
LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz - This will give you 4G LTE support on AT&T and T-Mobile.

Cloudscout said:
It's actually 7-band (700/850/900/AWS/1800/1900/2100)... but not all bands are available for all technologies. Here is what you get:
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz - This will give you 3G support on AT&T and MAY give you 3G/4G support on T-Mobile, but only in the limited areas where T-Mobile has already migrated their 1900MHz spectrum to HSPA+. In most areas, their 3G/4G service is limited to the AWS band which the HTC One Developer Edition only supports for LTE.
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz - This will give you 2G/2.5G support on pretty much every GSM provider.
LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz - This will give you 4G LTE support on AT&T and T-Mobile.
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Hi, T-mobile uses band 4 via 1700/2100. Also the 3G support. And tmobile HSPA must use 1700/2100 BOTH or it wont work which makes T-mobile 3g unavailable till 1900 is completed.
But perhaps when it says "AWS" maybe it means band 4 ? is that what your referring to? if so I stand corrected. Then again, LTE 4G is in so little places now.. lets not compute it -_-

Correct. Band 4 is AWS.

Anybody knows if i could use LTE in Spain with my Dev Edition

The One Developer Edition also includes support for 850/1900/2100 MHz HSPA and 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz 4G LTE connectivity
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[Q] HTC one Developer Edition - Will LTE work on ATT USA

I am ready to buy the 64 mb Developer Edition but I want to make sure
this will work with the LTE USA bands.
My Nexus 4 does not. Experts Please advise.
Thank you in advance,
Charlie C

Yes works in ATT and T-Mobile. It says it on the spec page bud
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experto
expertzero1 said:
Yes works in ATT and T-Mobile. It says it on the spec page bud
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Experto
On ALL LTE bands? Final question....
Thank you
Charlie

I don't have the specs off my head but 700, aws and others just check at the HTC store for the specs
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HTC One Developer Edition unboxing and hands-on VIDEO
Here is HTC One Developer Edition unboxing video.

In short yes it will work fine with both AT&T and TMO LTE bands.
It gets more complicated when talking about UMTS/HSPA bands on TMO but for LTE you're fine.
MG

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Yes works in ATT and T-Mobile. It says it on the spec page bud
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Are you sure about T-mo? From the T-mo site http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-5627
-Mobile’s 4G LTE network will operate on the same band as our 4G HSPA+ network, Band IV, which uses 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies to transmit data services.
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I hope I'm reading this wrong, I am by no means an expert, but if they use 1700/2100 as they do for HSPA (IE one frequency upstream the other down) then the dev edition will not get 4G LTE on TMOUS.
Sorry for Hijacking the thread a little.

Quote from Android Police
A reminder to T-Mobile customers: this model will not support HSPA+ in most markets, but should work on its growing LTE network where offered.
Also, to follow that up. If you are in a refarmed 1900mhz area it will work HSPA+
That is my take from the Article
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...-pre-orders-open-up-to-u-s-customers-for-649/

SykesAT said:
I hope I'm reading this wrong, I am by no means an expert, but if they use 1700/2100 as they do for HSPA (IE one frequency upstream the other down) then the dev edition will not get 4G LTE on TMOUS.
Sorry for Hijacking the thread a little.
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The quote is correct but so is what rugmankc said. The short answer is that UMTS and LTE band support does not have to be the same.
If you want a few specifics, the dev and AT&T Ones support LTE band 4 (AWS, or 1700/2100MHz) but only have triband UMTS (850/1900/2100 iirc). The T-Mobile One supports quadband UMTS (all UMTS frequencies except 900MHz I think) as well as LTE band 4. They both support LTE band 17 (700MHz) also, not sure about others.
So in conclusion: ATT/dev One works on T-Mo LTE and refarmed 1900MHz HSPA+.

ATT
Does anyone actually have the HTC one developer Edition on ATT and is running LTE?
CC

How do I enable LTE on my unlocked One?

Bought the developer edition, stuck in my TMo micro-sim and I'm only getting HSPA/3G.
Followed this post to no avail: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2236735
What am I missing?
I'm in NYC so I'm in one of their 4G LTE markets.

you'll need the t-mobile version i think as they run on different bands?
blame the US carriers for that

The dev edition supports the T-Mo LTE bands out of the box. Shouldn't have to do a thing I don't think. Did you try it stock? Are you sure there's LTE where you're at?

blahblahyoutoo said:
Bought the developer edition, stuck in my TMo micro-sim and I'm only getting HSPA/3G.
Followed this post to no avail: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2236735
What am I missing?
I'm in NYC so I'm in one of their 4G LTE markets.
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Did you change your network mode to LTE/GSM/WCDMA?
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you'll need the t-mobile version i think as they run on different bands?
blame the US carriers for that
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No, the developer edition works for all US LTE bands. It doesn't work on T-Mobile's HSPA+, since that runs on mostly 1700 MHz AWS band. The Dev only has 1900. But, if you live in a refarmed area (where they change 1900 MHz towers to support HSPA+) then you'd be okay.

aznxk3vi17 said:
Did you change your network mode to LTE/GSM/WCDMA?
No, the developer edition works for all US LTE bands. It doesn't work on T-Mobile's HSPA+, since that runs on mostly 1700 MHz AWS band. The Dev only has 1900. But, if you live in a refarmed area (where they change 1900 MHz towers to support HSPA+) then you'd be okay.
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Yes, it's set to "GSM/WCDMA/LTE auto".
Do I have to delete the old default APN?

gtg465x said:
The dev edition supports the T-Mo LTE bands out of the box. Shouldn't have to do a thing I don't think. Did you try it stock? Are you sure there's LTE where you're at?
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Yes, left it stock for a few hours and then tried the above settings.
According to this, I am.
http://ltemap.org/tmobile

LTE is not officially out in NY yet, so far it's available in certain subway stations and the majority of Queens. June is the official roll out.

SmiLey497 said:
LTE is not officially out in NY yet, so far it's available in certain subway stations and the majority of Queens. June is the official roll out.
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interesting. the map says it is, but I'll check back next week in June.