hey all ^_^
i was about 2 buy Xperia z when i heard that Sony will release smart phone which called honami with 20MP camera and xenon flash and 2700m battery and 5 inch display with snapdragon 800 clocked at 2.3GH
as i read it will be launched in japan in july and the universal version will be in august or september
Is that true?shall i wait 4 it?or thats just fake news?
Thanks in advance
Dude, 20MP is not possible for 2013! they made step from 8MP - 13MP after 2 or 3 years, no one will move forward to such a high resolution in so small time. Think twice...
droidhd said:
Dude, 20MP is not possible for 2013! they made step from 8MP - 13MP after 2 or 3 years, no one will move forward to such a high resolution in so small time. Think twice...
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see this http://www.phonearena.com/news/One-...20-MP-Cyber-shot-quality-Honami-phone_id41413
Good luck in waiting then, if you think so . I dont belive there will be 20MP phone soon, since even not so many DSLR doesn't have that amount of pixels
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Dude, 20MP is not possible for 2013! they made step from 8MP - 13MP after 2 or 3 years, no one will move forward to such a high resolution in so small time. Think twice...
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pretty sure its been out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiuxILBquRs
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abokorayem said:
hey all ^_^
i was about 2 buy Xperia z when i heard that Sony will release smart phone which called honami with 20MP camera and xenon flash and 2700m battery and 5 inch display with snapdragon 800 clocked at 2.3GH
as i read it will be launched in japan in july and the universal version will be in august or september
Is that true?shall i wait 4 it?or thats just fake news?
Thanks in advance
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are you a photographer?
G1_enthusiast said:
pretty sure its been out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiuxILBquRs
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are you a photographer?
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actually i dont rly care about the 20MP camera....what i care about the the Xenon flash as the xperia z flash isnt that good
abokorayem said:
actually i dont rly care about the 20MP camera....what i care about the the Xenon flash as the xperia z flash isnt that good
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...well thats a strange way to choose your phone but if thats what your after then look at Samsung or Nokia, my S3 is like a mini flash light...ridiculously bright.
u didnt get my point....Ofcourse i care about the camera but what i think is that 13mp or 20mp not that difference 2 me as iam not a photographer...but what will make a differenceis the good flash....dont forget the 2700-3000m battery and 2.3 snapdragon processor
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Dude, 20MP is not possible for 2013! they made step from 8MP - 13MP after 2 or 3 years, no one will move forward to such a high resolution in so small time. Think twice...
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If Nokia can bring out a 40+ mp phone why can't Sony bring out a 20mp phone? In the end the mp doesn't mean that much.
abokorayem said:
u didnt get my point....Ofcourse i care about the camera but what i think is that 13mp or 20mp not that difference 2 me as iam not a photographer...but what will make a differenceis the good flash....dont forget the 2700-3000m battery and 2.3 snapdragon processor
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well sounds like the Note II is good for u then...battery huge and the camera same as S3, the processor is a marketing gimmick, duo core S4 pro processor can run pretty much everything and anything.
P.S I got the 7000mah battery for my S3 and it last me 2 day with heavy usage and no wifi but if you have your heart set on that phone then by all mean, i'm just giving you the option that is already available.
On the end you guys will say I was correct . Android phones, long time won't see 20MP. Nokia made it in 2012, in that time was really popular 8MP on Android, am I right? XS was exception with 12mp. None of the high phones was better in mp.
Dsteppa, I agree, mps doesn't mean nothing .
P.S.: The point is, Xperia Z forums are the only one, who talks more about other phones than XZ. I never saw something like that for example in DHD forums. But nvm, I will ignore this kind of topics in future
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On the end you guys will say I was correct . Android phones, long time won't see 20MP. Nokia made it in 2012, in that time was really popular 8MP on Android, am I right? XS was exception with 12mp. None of the high phones was better in mp.
Dsteppa, I agree, mps doesn't mean nothing .
P.S.: The point is, Xperia Z forums are the only one, who talks more about other phones than XZ. I never saw something like that for example in DHD forums. But nvm, I will ignore this kind of topics in future
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Depends on what you are using MP's for, creates damn good crops of photos due to the lack of zooming capability
The key here with the Honami is having a decent and most likely faster lens to benefit from more MP's
Sony need to proove themselves first by fixing the XZ photo quality, less noise suppression. Otherwise I am sure too many people will be put off.
droidhd said:
On the end you guys will say I was correct . Android phones, long time won't see 20MP. Nokia made it in 2012, in that time was really popular 8MP on Android, am I right? XS was exception with 12mp. None of the high phones was better in mp.
Dsteppa, I agree, mps doesn't mean nothing .
P.S.: The point is, Xperia Z forums are the only one, who talks more about other phones than XZ. I never saw something like that for example in DHD forums. But nvm, I will ignore this kind of topics in future
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...dude I dont know what the heck you talking about, no one says your right. matter of fact I proved you wrong there is a phone above 20 even 30 MP and matter or not is up to the user. That Nokia 808 has the best glass even for photographer standard. Its a Carl Zeiss lens with an aperture of f2.4 most DSLR kit lens come at F3.5-5.6
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/23/3113109/nokia-808-pureview-sample-photos
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...dude I dont know what the heck you talking about, no one says your right. matter of fact I proved you wrong there is a phone above 20 even 30 MP and matter or not is up to the user. That Nokia 808 has the best glass even for photographer standard. Its a Carl Zeiss lens with an aperture of f2.4 most DSLR kit lens come at F3.5-5.6
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/23/3113109/nokia-808-pureview-sample-photos
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Nicely put, and right on the money.
And as I said you can use any part of that photo to make a fantastic crop due to lack of zoom, and still be much better image quality than any phone out there.
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abokorayem said:
actually i dont rly care about the 20MP camera....what i care about the the Xenon flash as the xperia z flash isnt that good
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Really, that has got to be one of the most strange justifications I have heard. Just buy a Xenon flash light, Point and shoot, even better a point and shoot with a hotshoe, or a DSLR.
At the end of the day this is a Phone, and a bonus of the camera
You guys seem to be missing the point
In case of Honami it's not MP count but camera sensor size. It has a bigger sized camera sensor than Nokia N8 and close to Pureview808 size. That is 3 times bigger sensor than Xperia Z
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You guys seem to be missing the point
In case of Honami it's not MP count but camera sensor size. It has a bigger sized camera sensor than Nokia N8 and close to Pureview808 size. That is 3 times bigger sensor than Xperia Z
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And a decent lens
randomuseresato said:
You guys seem to be missing the point
In case of Honami it's not MP count but camera sensor size. It has a bigger sized camera sensor than Nokia N8 and close to Pureview808 size. That is 3 times bigger sensor than Xperia Z
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He is not real clear on what he want, first he say he want a better phone with a list of specific like camera, processor and etc. then he change his mind and say he wanted better flash and battery, which i offer him the choice of Samsung Note II, it offer all those things except for processor, which is negligent for a phone. I'm afraid he either a little confuse or just another Sony employee trying to advertise upcoming phone which I suspect is most of the user in this thread.
More megapixels = more noise = more processing = lesser details. The z is better for me.
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Simply put: go for Z. You can wait few months for Honami and don't even like it once it's out. Get XZ, and then when Honami gets out, you can sell XZ and get it instead if you'll think it's worth the change.
There will always be a next phone.
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i shoot few photos in night with proper settings,but i am really disappointed by the performance.taken pictures and videos are really worst and blurred.is there anybody faceing the same issue regarding the camera.
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i shoot few photos in night with proper settings,but i am really disappointed by the performance.taken pictures and videos are really worst and blurred. Is there anybody facing the same issue regarding the camera.
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Nope! Don't have that kind of problems!
It must be your phone only!
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Nope! Don't have that kind of problems!
It must be your phone only!
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bull****!
Xz'ts cammera is **** on night mode, and there is no way to stuck ISO for 200 for example in mid light, it will always use higher, and I hate this
infazz said:
bull****!
Xz'ts cammera is **** on night mode, and there is no way to stuck ISO for 200 for example in mid light, it will always use higher, and I hate this
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Hater gonna hate...
And it's your problem,
I owned an EOS 7D and 6D,
so I know what I am talking about...
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Hater gonna hate...
And it's your problem,
I owned an EOS 7D and 6D,
so I know what I am talking about...
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wery glad for you, but we're talking about other things here
Have to generally agree with roaringhere here, for a phone the low light performance/quality is not as bad as people keep on making out, if you take control from the phone auto mode!!! The biggest problem is the Sony selecting a very high ISO, so set this manually with a shutter you can hand hold and you will be a lot better off.
Seriously get any point and shoot or other phone and run it at the same ISO's and see how crap they are also, even some DSLR's running ISO's of 1600 look pretty crap.
Seen it time and time again people bagging the camera in low light, comparing it to others, and yeah they definitely look different, and mostly worse on the Sony, but they are comparing ISO 1600 vs ISO 400...
Here is an untouched hand held ISO 8000 fireworks mode using the Sony Xperia Z, no photoshop here http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan-wilson/9921483725/ I can tell you now you would struggle to find a point and shoot sensor or smaller that produces a better hand held shot at 1 second exposure with an 8000 ISO. I can tell you now I wouldn't even dream of using this ISO with my Canon 7D
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Have to generally agree with roaringhere here, for a phone the low light performance/quality is not as bad as people keep on making out, if you take control from the phone auto mode!!! The biggest problem is the Sony selecting a very high ISO, so set this manually with a shutter you can hand hold and you will be a lot better off.
Seriously get any point and shoot or other phone and run it at the same ISO's and see how crap they are also, even some DSLR's running ISO's of 1600 look pretty crap.
Seen it time and time again people bagging the camera in low light, comparing it to others, and yeah they definitely look different, and mostly worse on the Sony, but they are comparing ISO 1600 vs ISO 400...
Here is an untouched hand held ISO 8000 fireworks mode using the Sony Xperia Z, no photoshop here http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan-wilson/9921483725/ I can tell you now you would struggle to find a point and shoot sensor or smaller that produces a better hand held shot at 1 second exposure with an 8000 ISO. I can tell you now I wouldn't even dream of using this ISO with my Canon 7D
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My point exactly! Thanks...
I feel that the hardware is not to be blamed here...
The software here is at fault..
The superior auto mode is not so superior in its job(it's ok if you want to capture something real-quick)... But if you want the best from the hardware you'll have to turn to manual controls...(Camera FV-5 is the best app I know for that)
Jpeg compression is just too much here...thus we can see the lack of detail in some photos(macro)
To get the best of the camera,My suggestions are as follows :-
If you like the stock camera app... 1)Turn off superior auto mode... Switch to manual mode
2) set the ISO at 200 (max) for daylight photography,,,,400 for twilight
3) HDR off
4) metering mode set to average
And if you still want better results:
1) install Camera FV-5 (full version support developer )
2) go to settings -> photo encoding settings -> file format -> set it to PNG ( it takes some seriously huge pics (15 mb..:-o) )
3) now apply all the manual controls mentioned above
If you think what difference does the above methods do to the quality of the photos... Take a photo with normal method (superior auto) and then manual method... And then compare..
If you feel that I've helped you in anyway, please hit the thank button
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Nevermind
-sent from that phone below
roaringhere said:
Hater gonna hate...
And it's your problem,
I owned an EOS 7D and 6D,
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consider all you own is ****ty phone...
yes the camera quality sucks, no way around it. Sony did the XZ1 customers dirty too lol dint fix a damn thing with their camera. OP should have read before owning this Piece of sh!t phone
this phone problem:
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camera
overheat
speakerphone
a bunch more sh!t.
G1_enthusiast said:
consider all you own is ****ty phone...
yes the camera quality sucks, no way around it. Sony did the XZ1 customers dirty too lol dint fix a damn thing with their camera. OP should have read before owning this Piece of sh!t phone
this phone problem:
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camera
overheat
speakerphone
a bunch more sh!t.
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Pity! You don't know s**t about using a photographic equipment...
Nyahahahaha
roaringhere said:
Pity! You don't know s**t about using a photographic equipment...
Nyahahahaha
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I guess not since I own a Canon 5D Mark II with prime lens and L lens.. BUT if you consider this crappy phone a "photographic equipment" good luck getting customers. Even this "noob" of a photographer can tell its a horrible camera phone, man what kind of pro are you...LMAO
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I guess not since I own a Canon 5D Mark II with prime lens and L lens.. BUT if you consider this crappy phone a "photographic equipment" good luck getting customers. Even this "noob" of a photographer can tell its a horrible camera phone, man what kind of pro are you...LMAO
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Just learn how to use your XZ, if I may say...
You may not be aware that there's a lot of settings in the XZ...
Besides, 5D Mark II is an old tech compared to Exmor sensor...
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Just learn how to use your XZ, if I may say...
You may not be aware that there's a lot of settings in the XZ...
Besides, 5D Mark II is an old tech compared to Exmor sensor...
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you cant be serious... Go learn a thing or two about photography...
as far as "not knowing a lot of settings" I probably own this phone longer than u. You just in denial that you bought a $500 piece of crap.
I'm done talking to people who knows nothing but talking out of their ass...
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Besides, 5D Mark II is an old tech compared to Exmor sensor...
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lol are you talking seriously?
I have to agree that sony is doing crap with the software and maybe the hardware.
Usually camera in a phone should be aim and shoot,and should deliver the best results in a quick way.
Not all costumers know photography,and they don't want to stay in the settings for a few minutes before taking a photo.
I am a photographer and i couldn't ever take a nice and quick photo for my 11 months daughter with this phone.
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G1_enthusiast said:
consider all you own is ****ty phone...
yes the camera quality sucks, no way around it. Sony did the XZ1 customers dirty too lol dint fix a damn thing with their camera. OP should have read before owning this Piece of sh!t phone
this phone problem:
screen
camera
overheat
speakerphone
a bunch more sh!t.
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Do us all a favour and buy another phone instead of bagging the phone, move to a different forum, then we don't have to listen to your ranting
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G1_enthusiast said:
I guess not since I own a Canon 5D Mark II with prime lens and L lens.. BUT if you consider this crappy phone a "photographic equipment" good luck getting customers. Even this "noob" of a photographer can tell its a horrible camera phone, man what kind of pro are you...LMAO
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Dude just because you own a Canon 5D doesn't make you a photographer, just means that you have money to buy one, a camera and lenses does not make the photographer. So stop with the mine is bigger than yours crap.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, if you continue to bag the phone in low light. You clearly have no idea about image sensors and how they work, what causes image noise in a photo, why ISO effects are different per device based on the image sensor size.
The photo I show on my website, is not a wow shot to look at, but if you take into account all the elements then it actually is, 1 second exposure hand held, ISO 8000 on a tiny sensor. I am sure you will not be able to hand hold a low light shot for one second with your 5D and have it as sharp as the phone shot I show.
Come on guys really stop talking crap and just compare apples with apples, not apples with cars. I challenge any of you to find a single point and shoot and take pictures with the phone and with the camera with as similar settings as you possibly can then compare how good or bad they are, and really for a phone with a sensor much smaller than most of the point and shoot cameras the zperia z is right up there, the Sony auto modes (software is crap) at making the best decisions, and I would say any Sony P&S with superior auto mode is in the same boat.
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Do us all a favour and buy another phone instead of bagging the phone, then we don't have to listen to your ranting
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Dude just because you own a Canon 5D doesn't make you a photographer, just means that you have money to buy one, a camera and lenses does not make the photographer. So stop with the mine is bigger than yours crap.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, if you continue to bag the phone in low light. You clearly have no idea about image sensors and how they work, what causes image noise in a photo, why ISO effects are different per device based on the image sensor size.
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O I'm sorry I dint ask u to read my post...and yea it make sense someone who don't know photography spend 10 grand on their equipment...use ur brain or shut your trap. Last I thought this was a mobile phone not camera sensor, for that moron to say that Exmor technology on a phone beat out a full frame camera is utterly an idiot statement, do you want to jump on that band wagon with him?
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G1_enthusiast said:
O I'm sorry I dint ask u to read my post...and yea it make sense someone who don't know photography spend 10 grand on their equipment...use ur brain or shut your trap. Last I thought this was a mobile phone not camera sensor, for that moron to say that Exmor technology on a phone beat out a full frame camera is utterly an idiot statement, do you want to jump on that band wagon with him?
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Stop acting like a baby, I know plenty of people who have forked out similar money or more that have not idea about photography, nor can use the camera or equipment, sorry it was an example I was not trying to bag your photography skills, rather making a point (Mine is bigger than yours...) you're clearly doing it again ...10 grand bla bla bla... But you should really also stop talking crap otherwise you will get dished out what you deserve.
I did not make his statement about Exmor tech, nor even referenced it once. And exactly my point, too many people talking crap about stuff they do not really understand.
What I do know is that most of you are try talking about things in "authority" that you clearly do not understand
Fighting, internet, Special Olympics, yada yada yada...
nbell13 said:
Fighting, internet, Special Olympics, yada yada yada...
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hahahaha, with you on that
Since no topic has been created regarding this issue (For me), I created one. I was browsing my old pictures (Taken with my Nokia 6220c which has a 5MP Carl Zeiss Lens) when I suddenly though of comparing it to my current phone (Which is the ZR), What I found out was, the vertical and horizontal resolution of my 6220c is MUCH MORE HIGHER compared to the one captured by my ZR! What the heck is Sony doing? I hope this gets fixed at the upcoming Kitkat Update because I really feel that my Nokia 5MP Shooter shoots much better shots than my ZR (Except for the pixel size of course). So what do you think guys? (Not a camera specialist here). Anyways, Here is an image for reference of what I am saying.
Kratellismorru question <== BIG FAIL
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Since no topic has been created regarding this issue (For me), I created one. I was browsing my old pictures (Taken with my Nokia 6220c which has a 5MP Carl Zeiss Lens) when I suddenly though of comparing it to my current phone (Which is the ZR), What I found out was, the vertical and horizontal resolution of my 6220c is MUCH MORE HIGHER compared to the one captured by my ZR! What the heck is Sony doing? I hope this gets fixed at the upcoming Kitkat Update because I really feel that my Nokia 5MP Shooter shoots much better shots than my ZR (Except for the pixel size of course). So what do you think guys? (Not a camera specialist here). Anyways, Here is an image for reference of what I am saying.
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http://forums.steves-digicams.com/s...lt/122155-horizontal-vertical-resolution.html
The camera has absolutely no idea how you will display and print your photos. The value ... is entirely arbitrary.
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more info
http://www.rideau-info.com/photos/faq.html#question03
nostupidthing said:
http://forums.steves-digicams.com/s...lt/122155-horizontal-vertical-resolution.html
more info
http://www.rideau-info.com/photos/faq.html#question03
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Thanks for the clarification, I thought it was something to worry about
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I was shocked for a moment and read the article and understood
Kratellismorru said:
Since no topic has been created regarding this issue (For me), I created one. I was browsing my old pictures (Taken with my Nokia 6220c which has a 5MP Carl Zeiss Lens) when I suddenly though of comparing it to my current phone (Which is the ZR), What I found out was, the vertical and horizontal resolution of my 6220c is MUCH MORE HIGHER compared to the one captured by my ZR! What the heck is Sony doing? I hope this gets fixed at the upcoming Kitkat Update because I really feel that my Nokia 5MP Shooter shoots much better shots than my ZR (Except for the pixel size of course). So what do you think guys? (Not a camera specialist here). Anyways, Here is an image for reference of what I am saying.
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You right friend
sony camara give picture with much compression, and its affect a quality and definition
i found a program camara, that can give a picture with a 100% quality a think
in play store "vignette"
configuration! vignette
resolution 13 megapixeles
quality
superfine
effects
no efects
and important
Auto save = 2 seconds
and the pictures now are excelentys
My Z1 compact has the same dpi. What should it say?
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starlith said:
my z1 compact has the same dpi. What should it say?
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3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097494459230781640
I read some infos in google but dont know whats sensor comes with turbo/maxx, anyone confirms anything?
Think its the same sony sensor from xperia z3.
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Think its the same sony sensor from xperia z3.
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I think that too but no ones from. Motooola confirmes nothing
matheus_sc said:
I think that too but no ones from. Motooola confirmes nothing
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It is 100% for certain a Sony sensor. It is the same as the Z2 and Z3. Sony has different optics and better camera drivers/software.
The Z2 and Z3 don't have the same sensor.....
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The Z2 and Z3 don't have the same sensor.....
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Yes they do and if we want to go further with it, so does the Z1. They differ in optics. Reading material for you:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z3_compact-review-1135p8.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exmor
http://www.phonearena.com/news/First-camera-samples-from-the-Motorola-DROID-Turbo_id62258
IMX220
Sony Xperia Z1
Sony Xperia Z1 Compact
Sony Xperia Z2
Sony Xperia Z3
Sony Xperia Z3 Compact
Meizu MX4
Fun fact: The Z3V is the same sensor and optics setup as the Z2.
I'm personally glad it's sony hardware without sony's software post processing
zed011 said:
I'm personally glad it's sony hardware without sony's software post processing
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I'm not, because without that software, photos are still mediocre comparing to those who can get the Z series with the same sensor.
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matheus_sc said:
I read some infos in google but dont know whats sensor comes with turbo/maxx, anyone confirms anything?
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Think its the same sony sensor from xperia z3.
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I think that too but no ones from. Motooola confirmes nothing
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Indeed I was researcing the same some months ago before purchasing the Maxx, and although no one can confirm it, it was obvious for me after I spend a lot of time looking for some information.
First place, the resolution is not so common, so there are no many sensors on the market with it. Second, actual resolution it is 20.7M and not 21M. Often, most of companies just round the numbers up to keep it simple. Third and final one, this camera has no OIS, so for elimination and conclusion, the only sensor that fulfill this specs it is the IMX220.
The other possible option was the IMX230, but it is not released yet as far as I know.
I think there is still plenty of room for improvement, but we have to take in mind that Motorola is really young in image processing software.
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I'm not, because without that software, photos are still mediocre comparing to those who can get the Z series with the same sensor.
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Are you sure about this? Sony has not been praised for their post processing because it is noisy and grainy.Also the colours are a little washed out compared to the competition and is colder in colour temperature. The ISO is pumped up absurdly high for night shots as well creating noise and artifacts. I have always felt sony's post processing especially in their auto mode is what is holding them back. This doesn't mean nobody can get good shots but when put into perspective by using a competitor's camera side by side it is hard to argue for sony. The shots look good when not being compared to another camera.
Also someone was upset enough to create a petition for them to fix their software.
https://www.change.org/p/sony-mobile-fix-the-camera-software-sony
Sony handheld cameras are great but their mobile division is a different story. I don't think they even work together that's how disjointed that company is.
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Are you sure about this? Sony has not been praised for their post processing because it is noisy and grainy.Also the colours are a little washed out compared to the competition and is colder in colour temperature. The ISO is pumped up absurdly high for night shots as well creating noise and artifacts. I have always felt sony's post processing especially in their auto mode is what is holding them back. This doesn't mean nobody can get good shots but when put into perspective by using a competitor's camera side by side it is hard to argue for sony. The shots look good when not being compared to another camera.
Also someone was upset enough to create a petition for them to fix their software.
https://www.change.org/p/sony-mobile-fix-the-camera-software-sony
Sony handheld cameras are great but their mobile division is a different story. I don't think they even work together that's how disjointed that company is.
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I know 2 persons who had Z series and the pictures were really nice, I mean, I'm not saying that Maxx's camera is bad, but I have seen many times that for a "top" sensor, I'm not getting the quality I should; many times I feel that my Nexus 5 take better pictures.
Also I don't know if this is regarding the resolution I use, because I'm not using the full resolution, I'm using 15.5M (16:9) resolution. Would be nice to know if quality is also determined by this factor.
Have you compared pictures against the Nexus 5?
Like I said for sony and many other phones with good cameras, the pictures look good by themselves. When you really compare and examine the details by taking the same picture and cropping to compare do you really see the differences that you cannot see at a glance as easily.
I have G3 which I will compare it against soon. I have taken a few shots against my 2013 Moto X and without a doubt it is far better in detail and lighting as well as white balance.
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I'm not, because without that software, photos are still mediocre comparing to those who can get the Z series with the same sensor.
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Indeed I was researcing the same some months ago before purchasing the Maxx, and although no one can confirm it, it was obvious for me after I spend a lot of time looking for some information.
First place, the resolution is not so common, so there are no many sensors on the market with it. Second, actual resolution it is 20.7M and not 21M. Often, most of companies just round the numbers up to keep it simple. Third and final one, this camera has no OIS, so for elimination and conclusion, the only sensor that fulfill this specs it is the IMX220.
The other possible option was the IMX230, but it is not released yet as far as I know.
I think there is still plenty of room for improvement, but we have to take in mind that Motorola is really young in image processing software.
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So...the software isn't what makes the camera perform well. It is the sensor, optics and the driver. The sensor and optics aren't our issue, neither is the software. Its the driver. Unfortunately, this isn't a strong field for Motorola and never has been.
Oh and it *is* the 220, same as the Z1,Z2,Z3. There is no question about it.
That was what I meant when saying "software"; sometimes I don't know the precise words.
Anyway, does someone can confirm or deny that changing the resolution from 4:3 to 16:9 would reduce drastically the quality of the photo?.
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That was what I meant when saying "software"; sometimes I don't know the precise words.
Anyway, does someone can confirm or deny that changing the resolution from 4:3 to 16:9 would reduce drastically the quality of the photo?.
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Not enough to matter IMO.
I can confirm that changing the resolution does not affect the quality of the picture the 16/9 it's just a 4/3 photo cropped
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All is 5248 x 3936 - so most likely it is‼
I dont think câmera is mediocre, here https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157649533856771/
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I dont think câmera is mediocre, here https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157649533856771/
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It isn't. The driver is.
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I Third and final one, this camera has no OIS, so for elimination and conclusion, the only sensor that fulfill this specs it is the IMX220.
I think there is still plenty of room for improvement, but we have to take in mind that Motorola is really young in image processing software.
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Google made Motorola put in OIS for the Motorola Nexus 6, since the LG Nexus 5 (based on the excellent LG phones) had it.
I know that's only a 13 MP camera, but I would gladly trade the pixels for OIS. The lack of OIS keeps this phone from being perfect.
My goodness -- 5.2" 1440p/Snapdragon 805/3GB RAM/turbo charging (also like the Nexus 6)/Qi wireless charging (like the Nexus 6, but very important to me as my Nexus 5 had it) . I'm pretty sure the 5.2" Shamu protoype had the 13MP OIS rear camera. Shame Motorola did not keep that.
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Not the driver, the post processing.
The camera is great but we don't have any kind of settings to take advantage of it.
Even with third part app the configurations are limited.
I have hope in Lollipop with manual camera. (or i'll sell my Maxx and buy an Xperia again)
As we all know the sensor and lens on the Z3 are some of the best on the market right now. However, for some reason, Sony, who make maybe the best compact cameras out there, seems to have failed miserably in regard to the camera software in its phones. All photos come out with little detail, soft focus, artifacts and overprocessed. Do you think that will get fixed in 5.0(2)? Will the camera finally be comparable to, say, the Galaxy Note 4 or some of the Lumias?
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what terrible camera?
i'm no Ansel Adams, but i think the Z3c has a great camera, especially once you get the hang of it.
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As we all know the sensor and lens on the Z3 are some of the best on the market right now. However, for some reason, Sony, who make maybe the best compact cameras out there, seems to have failed miserably in regard to the camera software in its phones. All photos come out with little detail, soft focus, artifacts and overprocessed. Do you think that will get fixed in 5.0(2)? Will the camera finally be comparable to, say, the Galaxy Note 4 or some of the Lumias?
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In theory yes. With Lollipop we will be able to take RAW images with the camera due to the new api. RAW images are unprocessed, straight from the sensor. The Sony camera sensor is good but the software image processing isn't. Taking photos in RAW eliminates the poor image processing so the images should be much much better.
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I actually agree on this, especially when taking photos. All the other devices I used before my Z3 Compact did not try to focus again after I already touched focus a certain area, but my Z3C actually does so as I press the shutter button. It also has trouble trying to focus on really close objects, only able to get precise focus 1/10 of the time.
I personally use google camera for simple, clear, low-processed pictures. The drawback is that the photos cannot be saved on the sd card w/o root.
Or, you can very well use the manual mode - this one also is pulling some nice photos, w/o blur,
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I personally use google camera for simple, clear, low-processed pictures. The drawback is that the photos cannot be saved on the sd card w/o root.
Or, you can very well use the manual mode - this one also is pulling some nice photos, w/o blur,
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Atleast on the regular Z3 you can choose to save photos and videos on the sd card directly.
Camera, the three blocks, settings icons.
I'm currently playing around with the app ABetterCamera and so far images are taken faster and low light photos look much better. They have an option to choose where to store the photos and if you choose external card it gives you the message Android doesn't allow that...BUT there is an option to choose custom folder which I pointed to the SDCard and it worked!
Yeah I find the camera terrible too.
My dads Note 2 takes much better pictures. If I put them side by side at a certain distance and take a picture of a piece of paper, on one I can clearly read what is written on it, and on the other it's all blurrines. I didn't expect this camera to suck that big especially compared to such an old low-res camera.
If that was not enough, colors are much more innatural on the sony, while the note 2 reproduces them much better...
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Yeah I find the camera terrible too.
My dads Note 2 takes much better pictures. If I put them side by side at a certain distance and take a picture of a piece of paper, on one I can clearly read what is written on it, and on the other it's all blurrines. I didn't expect this camera to suck that big especially compared to such an old low-res camera.
If that was not enough, colors are much more innatural on the sony, while the note 2 reproduces them much better...
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Unless you print out the pictures or look at them on the same screen it's really not possible to compare color reproduction from camera to camera.
Try ABetterCamera app, for me it takes better shots.
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Atleast on the regular Z3 you can choose to save photos and videos on the sd card directly.
Camera, the three blocks, settings icons.
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If you use the sony camera yes you can, but he was using Google camera that can't save to Sdcard.
Back camera is mostly ok. But the front camera is the worst! I cannot wait to sony fixes this soft skin efect bug. It's driving me nuts!!
I think the camera Lumia 925 that I had, much better than the camera's compact Z3. To be honest, the camera of this device did not please me so much.
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Back camera is mostly ok. But the front camera is the worst! I cannot wait to sony fixes this soft skin efect bug. It's driving me nuts!!
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You can actually turn the "soft skin effect" off in the menu and if you want better pictures from the front camera make sure the "HDR" option is always enabled.
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Unless you print out the pictures or look at them on the same screen it's really not possible to compare color reproduction from camera to camera.
Try ABetterCamera app, for me it takes better shots.
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Camera FV-5 is a better choice. It allows 100% JPG Quality, 100% Thumbnail quality AND uncompressed PNG format option for taking shots.
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As we all know the sensor and lens on the Z3 are some of the best on the market right now. However, for some reason, Sony, who make maybe the best compact cameras out there, seems to have failed miserably in regard to the camera software in its phones. All photos come out with little detail, soft focus, artifacts and overprocessed. Do you think that will get fixed in 5.0(2)? Will the camera finally be comparable to, say, the Galaxy Note 4 or some of the Lumias?
Regards.
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I personally will not get my hopes up that Sony will do anything to the camera software to improve image quality just because 5.0 supports RAW format. Sony may not even include RAW support in their version of 5.0.
So many times, phone manufacturers pick and choose which features of android to implement or substitute that feature with their own.
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As we all know the sensor and lens on the Z3 are some of the best on the market right now. However, for some reason, Sony, who make maybe the best compact cameras out there, seems to have failed miserably in regard to the camera software in its phones. All photos come out with little detail, soft focus, artifacts and overprocessed. Do you think that will get fixed in 5.0(2)? Will the camera finally be comparable to, say, the Galaxy Note 4 or some of the Lumias?
Regards.
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The formal answer is "no" - it will NOT fix the poor image processing. RAW format is not supported by Sony in Android 5.0
http://www.xperiablog.net/2015/03/1...-does-not-support-manual-camera-settings-raw/
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The formal answer is "no" - it will NOT fix the poor image processing. RAW format is not supported by Sony in Android 5.0
http://www.xperiablog.net/2015/03/1...-does-not-support-manual-camera-settings-raw/
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That's sad, I had my hopes up that they would finally do something about it. How can a camera company make a phone camera so bad I can't understand.
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You can actually turn the "soft skin effect" off in the menu and if you want better pictures from the front camera make sure the "HDR" option is always enabled.
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You cannot. Try to turn it off, take a picture, then take a picture when it's on. There is apsolutely no difference.
camera is not terrible, doesn't need to be fixed. because iphone has better camera doesn't mean it's terrible, it's just second best after Gs5 in android (third after iphone)
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camera is not terrible, doesn't need to be fixed. because iphone has better camera doesn't mean it's terrible, it's just second best after Gs5 in android (third after iphone)
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Hardware is indeed great, but software is very bad, and since the combination of both make the picture, the camera needs to be fixed (software part).
I mean look at all the phones using SONY sensors, they take excellent pictures on AUTO. Z3? Nope, rarely. Manual is super, but sometimes you do not have the time to fiddle around with the settings. And no DNG RAW in 5.0.2? Well, totally wasted potential of this phone's camera.
I'm very disappointed with the Z3C camera too... I mean, considering the specs, I was hoping for a lot much better pictures.
I´ve just got mine, I did a lot of research before buying a new phone (I had a Note 2), and the main reasons why I bought this phone are: size/specs, battery life and camera. I also considered buying the Moto Maxx (Brazilian Droid Turbo variant) but the Z3C compactness (is this a word?) made me chose it and I'm kind of regretting it a little bit... lol
So for those who already own the XZ3, what are your thoughts so far on the camera??
For me, I've been happy with daytime photos and definitely the selfies are fantastic, but I'm not too happy with the low light shots, at least some of the time. While the XZ3 maintains Sony's ability to be VERY color accurate (unlike Samsung and Apple, and maybe LG sometimes?), it seems so far in low light it doesn't fare all that well.
What do you think? If you've found a way to improve the camera, ESP in low light conditions, please let us know what settings you implemented, or tricks you used. Also mention which mode you're in, though I'd prefer to keep this on Auto only, I will be open to Manual Mode suggestions as well.
Thank you!!
As I said on my previous post, the only thing I hate is the lens flare. Other than that, I'm pretty much satisfied with the camera.
This is from iArvee, who posted it in another thread:
"Comparing it to my XZP, I find the XZ3 to be better, especially in low light photos. Low light photos come out more clear, and less smudged in comparison with the XZP. However, I hate that there's a huge lens flare when taking photos in both low light or daylight."
That's cool! I too notice the lens flare, and have been in some cases lowering the brightness while in Auto mode to compensate. To elaborate more on what I said above, in low light, it just seems like the XZ3 in most cases keeps color accuracy but the details are smeared out more than they should be. I wonder if I don't have the best settings up, but Auto is limited there, so I dunno. To elaborate, here are some pics b/t my LG V30 (which uses the modded GCam ((same camera app found in the Pixel phones)) app) and the XZ3.
Thoughts? Any way I can make these better?? In both cases, the LG ones with GCam app seems to be more detailed. Though in other shots the Sony was better. The ones with the clock........zoom into the Glenlivet liquor box. Which one looks better to you? (Note: Waive mouse over each pic to see if it's LG or Sony.)
Note: I apologize for the Sony pics being rotated over. I have no idea why this is happening. lol Feel free to download the pics and rotate them accordingly if you wish for comparison's sake.
Here are some additional pics. Waive over each pic to see which phone took it (again, LG is NOT using stock but modded GCam app in Auto) and also the mode.
Looks to me that the Sony in Auto mode won out here, where the LG couldn't quite keep up.
The Sony Manual mode pics (HDR off and HDR on) came out the worst, proving that Manual mode isn't always better. Unfortunately, XDA isn't letting me upload those, but I can tell you they came out VERY dark and inferior to the two that did get uploaded to this message.
Thoughts?
I love how the colors turn out in low light. Sony delivers there for years. I also don't bother a bit of noise as long as the chroma noise is eliminated. But it is the end of 2018, they need to step up the game in Computational Photography. Something like a night mode on Huawei or Pixel Phones is missing. Something like HDR+. And functional Portrait modes.
If the Google Camera worked on the XZ3, it could be the best camera phone on the market. This sensors performance on high iso is sick. Gcam makes heavy use of multiple high iso shots and merges them together to increase the dynamic range and reduce the noise. So this sensor is kind of made for something like gcam.
A real portrait mode is also missing. The selfie one is ok, sharp but really flat looking, and making a lot of mistakes bluring out the background. But the downloadable portrait mode for the rear camera is total garbage.
Even though Sony App improved a lot compared to previous iterations, it feels like it is still 2 or 3 years behind.
I'd pay 100€ to get the gcam working on this phone. I'm pretty sure it will rock!
I'm satisfied with it but it doesn't hold a candle to the Xperia XZ2 Premium camera. I wish Sony would put all the best features into one device and call that the flagship. Xperia XZ2 Premium has a dual lens camera and 4K. The Xperia XZ3 has OLED screen. Make one device, with all the best features, and sell that. As it is, I carry the XZ3 to use as my phone and watch videos and carry the XZ2 Premium if I will be taking pictures.
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I love how the colors turn out in low light. Sony delivers there for years. I also don't bother a bit of noise as long as the chroma noise is eliminated. But it is the end of 2018, they need to step up the game in Computational Photography. Something like a night mode on Huawei or Pixel Phones is missing. Something like HDR+. And functional Portrait modes.
If the Google Camera worked on the XZ3, it could be the best camera phone on the market. This sensors performance on high iso is sick. Gcam makes heavy use of multiple high iso shots and merges them together to increase the dynamic range and reduce the noise. So this sensor is kind of made for something like gcam.
A real portrait mode is also missing. The selfie one is ok, sharp but really flat looking, and making a lot of mistakes bluring out the background. But the downloadable portrait mode for the rear camera is total garbage.
Even though Sony App improved a lot compared to previous iterations, it feels like it is still 2 or 3 years behind.
I'd pay 100€ to get the gcam working on this phone. I'm pretty sure it will rock!
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I love the phone overall, and camera overall too. But when it comes to details, it's not as good as it should be. So I agree with you there that they need to step it up for sure!
Case in point............here are some more daytime pics I took earlier today (attached). The outdoor pics are superior to what I took on my LG V30 with modded GCam app (yes, I WISH there was one for Xperia!!!! lol), but when I come indoors, the XZ3 disappoints. When you zoom in, even with the movies one, it just doesn't look all that great. I'm honestly having second thoughts about keeping it sadly.
I even tried out some other camera apps off Google Play Store. NONE of them were as good as Sony's stock software, but that's not saying much. For overall pics, and also selfies (EVEN nighttime selfies), the XZ3 is fantastic. For wanting detail, it still isn't up to par despite it being a 2018 flagship.
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I'm satisfied with it but it doesn't hold a candle to the Xperia XZ2 Premium camera. I wish Sony would put all the best features into one device and call that the flagship. Xperia XZ2 Premium has a dual lens camera and 4K. The Xperia XZ3 has OLED screen. Make one device, with all the best features, and sell that. As it is, I carry the XZ3 to use as my phone and watch videos and carry the XZ2 Premium if I will be taking pictures.
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Interesting. Very helpful post!
Let me ask you augie, how was the XZ2 P when it came to detail, both in daytime and low light vs. the XZ3 (please see my last post before answering)?? I am very interested in your opinion there. Please feel free to be AS DETAILED as possible!
Yeah it sux b/c the XZ2 P is 16:9, and I really really like 18:9 phones. But they couldn't make 4K in an 18:9 phone with the 845 chip I guess. So the XZ3 P next year will offer that up instead as I believe the 855 will be able to handle that. If I don't keep my XZ3, I may just wait for the XZ3 P then.
Wow ok. You shouldn't have to do that, but I guess you got the best of both worlds at least! lol
RockStar2005 said:
Interesting. Very helpful post!
Let me ask you augie, how was the XZ2 P when it came to detail, both in daytime and low light vs. the XZ3 (please see my last post before answering)?? I am very interested in your opinion there. Please feel free to be AS DETAILED as possible!
Yeah it sux b/c the XZ2 P is 16:9, and I really really like 18:9 phones. But they couldn't make 4K in an 18:9 phone with the 845 chip I guess. So the XZ3 P next year will offer that up instead as I believe the 855 will be able to handle that. If I don't keep my XZ3, I may just wait for the XZ3 P then.
Wow ok. You shouldn't have to do that, but I guess you got the best of both worlds at least! lol
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As always, good to hear from you. I will provide a detailed response with examples tomorrow. The short of it, XZ2P is the best Sony low light/night time camera I have had on a Sony phone. The 51200 max ISO makes this possible. Great point on the 4K screen ratio issue but what is stopping them from putting a dual lens camera with higher ISO in the XZ3?
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As always, good to hear from you. I will provide a detailed response with examples tomorrow. The short of it, XZ2P is the best Sony low light/night time camera I have had on a Sony phone. The 51200 max ISO makes this possible. Great point on the 4K screen ratio issue but what is stopping them from putting a dual lens camera with higher ISO in the XZ3?
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Likewise old friend! Been a while too. Hope you're doin' alright!
Ok that's cool. I await that post!
Oh yeah that's right.........51200 max ISO! The XZ3's max is 12800. So that makes sense why the XZ2 P's would be so much better. I just REALLY wish they also had ISO on ALL these cameras. Then I believe they would be unstoppable. But Sony Mobile is SO damn stubborn about OIS. But hey, let's RANDOMLY put it on the XA2 Ultra's FRONT cam only!!! Not the main camera, or any of the ACTUAL flagships! Cuz that would be too weird and insane to conceive!! lol
I have NO idea why they didn't continue using dual lenses augie. But at this point I've made a final decision to return my XZ3. The main reason I'd say is the camera thing. But also, T-Mobile's about to get a new radio band, Band 71/600 MHz, and Sony didn't program it on this phone, so although I get Band 12, I won't get 71 when it does if I keep the XZ3. If they'd CERTIFIED it with T-Mobile then I would, or else if they wanted to ACTUALLY remove their heads FULLY out of their a$$es, they'd get with ALL the major carriers here and actually sell some phones! I've seen charts that show that the same time they stopped dealing with T-Mo and Verizon (2015) is when their sales here started to plummet. Coincidence? I think not. lol It just sux cuz I really love this phone.
Again, I look forward to your XZ2 P pics tomorrow. In addition though, can you tell me, is there anything CAMERA-wise that the XZ3 does better than the XZ2 P? I'm kinda hoping not, but I thought I'd read they made further improvements. Ughh I dunno! lol
Here are some samples from XZ2P. I am a photography novice but I thought these low-light pictures were the best I have captured with a Sony phone
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Here are some samples from XZ2P. I am a photography novice but I thought these low-light pictures were the best I have captured with a Sony phone
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Wow!! Gorgeous man. Thanks for sharing!
So again, was there ANYTHING about the XZ3's camera that you thought was actually better vs. the XZ2 P's?
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Wow!! Gorgeous man. Thanks for sharing!
So again, was there ANYTHING about the XZ3's camera that you thought was actually better vs. the XZ2 P's?
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There isn't, XZ2P camera is far superior in my humble opinion. Again, a photography novice so simply my preference is stated.
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There isn't, XZ2P camera is far superior in my humble opinion. Again, a photography novice so simply my preference is stated.
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Ok. That's what I was expecting you to say too. lol
Very sad!! But also, hopeful for the XZ3 P!!!!! :good:
Let me ask you, if you have time, can you take some new pics with the XZ2 P of something specific? I'd like to see some close-up pics (within 5-7 feet) of anything with writing on it............boxes, DVD/Blu-Ray movie containers, etc. In low-light would be preferred, just to see how the XZ2 P handles it vs. the XZ3's weak a$$ for this. lol
Thank you!!!!!
In other random news lol.