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Z Or Honami?

hey all ^_^
i was about 2 buy Xperia z when i heard that Sony will release smart phone which called honami with 20MP camera and xenon flash and 2700m battery and 5 inch display with snapdragon 800 clocked at 2.3GH
as i read it will be launched in japan in july and the universal version will be in august or september
Is that true?shall i wait 4 it?or thats just fake news?
Thanks in advance

Dude, 20MP is not possible for 2013! they made step from 8MP - 13MP after 2 or 3 years, no one will move forward to such a high resolution in so small time. Think twice...

droidhd said:
Dude, 20MP is not possible for 2013! they made step from 8MP - 13MP after 2 or 3 years, no one will move forward to such a high resolution in so small time. Think twice...
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see this http://www.phonearena.com/news/One-...20-MP-Cyber-shot-quality-Honami-phone_id41413

Good luck in waiting then, if you think so . I dont belive there will be 20MP phone soon, since even not so many DSLR doesn't have that amount of pixels

droidhd said:
Dude, 20MP is not possible for 2013! they made step from 8MP - 13MP after 2 or 3 years, no one will move forward to such a high resolution in so small time. Think twice...
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pretty sure its been out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiuxILBquRs
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abokorayem said:
hey all ^_^
i was about 2 buy Xperia z when i heard that Sony will release smart phone which called honami with 20MP camera and xenon flash and 2700m battery and 5 inch display with snapdragon 800 clocked at 2.3GH
as i read it will be launched in japan in july and the universal version will be in august or september
Is that true?shall i wait 4 it?or thats just fake news?
Thanks in advance
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are you a photographer?

G1_enthusiast said:
pretty sure its been out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiuxILBquRs
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are you a photographer?
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actually i dont rly care about the 20MP camera....what i care about the the Xenon flash as the xperia z flash isnt that good

abokorayem said:
actually i dont rly care about the 20MP camera....what i care about the the Xenon flash as the xperia z flash isnt that good
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...well thats a strange way to choose your phone but if thats what your after then look at Samsung or Nokia, my S3 is like a mini flash light...ridiculously bright.

u didnt get my point....Ofcourse i care about the camera but what i think is that 13mp or 20mp not that difference 2 me as iam not a photographer...but what will make a differenceis the good flash....dont forget the 2700-3000m battery and 2.3 snapdragon processor

droidhd said:
Dude, 20MP is not possible for 2013! they made step from 8MP - 13MP after 2 or 3 years, no one will move forward to such a high resolution in so small time. Think twice...
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If Nokia can bring out a 40+ mp phone why can't Sony bring out a 20mp phone? In the end the mp doesn't mean that much.

abokorayem said:
u didnt get my point....Ofcourse i care about the camera but what i think is that 13mp or 20mp not that difference 2 me as iam not a photographer...but what will make a differenceis the good flash....dont forget the 2700-3000m battery and 2.3 snapdragon processor
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well sounds like the Note II is good for u then...battery huge and the camera same as S3, the processor is a marketing gimmick, duo core S4 pro processor can run pretty much everything and anything.
P.S I got the 7000mah battery for my S3 and it last me 2 day with heavy usage and no wifi but if you have your heart set on that phone then by all mean, i'm just giving you the option that is already available.

On the end you guys will say I was correct . Android phones, long time won't see 20MP. Nokia made it in 2012, in that time was really popular 8MP on Android, am I right? XS was exception with 12mp. None of the high phones was better in mp.
Dsteppa, I agree, mps doesn't mean nothing .
P.S.: The point is, Xperia Z forums are the only one, who talks more about other phones than XZ. I never saw something like that for example in DHD forums. But nvm, I will ignore this kind of topics in future

droidhd said:
On the end you guys will say I was correct . Android phones, long time won't see 20MP. Nokia made it in 2012, in that time was really popular 8MP on Android, am I right? XS was exception with 12mp. None of the high phones was better in mp.
Dsteppa, I agree, mps doesn't mean nothing .
P.S.: The point is, Xperia Z forums are the only one, who talks more about other phones than XZ. I never saw something like that for example in DHD forums. But nvm, I will ignore this kind of topics in future
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Depends on what you are using MP's for, creates damn good crops of photos due to the lack of zooming capability
The key here with the Honami is having a decent and most likely faster lens to benefit from more MP's
Sony need to proove themselves first by fixing the XZ photo quality, less noise suppression. Otherwise I am sure too many people will be put off.

droidhd said:
On the end you guys will say I was correct . Android phones, long time won't see 20MP. Nokia made it in 2012, in that time was really popular 8MP on Android, am I right? XS was exception with 12mp. None of the high phones was better in mp.
Dsteppa, I agree, mps doesn't mean nothing .
P.S.: The point is, Xperia Z forums are the only one, who talks more about other phones than XZ. I never saw something like that for example in DHD forums. But nvm, I will ignore this kind of topics in future
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...dude I dont know what the heck you talking about, no one says your right. matter of fact I proved you wrong there is a phone above 20 even 30 MP and matter or not is up to the user. That Nokia 808 has the best glass even for photographer standard. Its a Carl Zeiss lens with an aperture of f2.4 most DSLR kit lens come at F3.5-5.6
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/23/3113109/nokia-808-pureview-sample-photos

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...dude I dont know what the heck you talking about, no one says your right. matter of fact I proved you wrong there is a phone above 20 even 30 MP and matter or not is up to the user. That Nokia 808 has the best glass even for photographer standard. Its a Carl Zeiss lens with an aperture of f2.4 most DSLR kit lens come at F3.5-5.6
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/23/3113109/nokia-808-pureview-sample-photos
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Nicely put, and right on the money.
And as I said you can use any part of that photo to make a fantastic crop due to lack of zoom, and still be much better image quality than any phone out there.
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actually i dont rly care about the 20MP camera....what i care about the the Xenon flash as the xperia z flash isnt that good
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Really, that has got to be one of the most strange justifications I have heard. Just buy a Xenon flash light, Point and shoot, even better a point and shoot with a hotshoe, or a DSLR.
At the end of the day this is a Phone, and a bonus of the camera

You guys seem to be missing the point
In case of Honami it's not MP count but camera sensor size. It has a bigger sized camera sensor than Nokia N8 and close to Pureview808 size. That is 3 times bigger sensor than Xperia Z

randomuseresato said:
You guys seem to be missing the point
In case of Honami it's not MP count but camera sensor size. It has a bigger sized camera sensor than Nokia N8 and close to Pureview808 size. That is 3 times bigger sensor than Xperia Z
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And a decent lens

randomuseresato said:
You guys seem to be missing the point
In case of Honami it's not MP count but camera sensor size. It has a bigger sized camera sensor than Nokia N8 and close to Pureview808 size. That is 3 times bigger sensor than Xperia Z
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He is not real clear on what he want, first he say he want a better phone with a list of specific like camera, processor and etc. then he change his mind and say he wanted better flash and battery, which i offer him the choice of Samsung Note II, it offer all those things except for processor, which is negligent for a phone. I'm afraid he either a little confuse or just another Sony employee trying to advertise upcoming phone which I suspect is most of the user in this thread.

More megapixels = more noise = more processing = lesser details. The z is better for me.
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Simply put: go for Z. You can wait few months for Honami and don't even like it once it's out. Get XZ, and then when Honami gets out, you can sell XZ and get it instead if you'll think it's worth the change.

There will always be a next phone.

The one thing that bothers me about this phone is...

I'll start this off by saying I am new to this phone. I currently use this and a galaxy note 2, but for all purposes this has been my daily driver. I have been very pleased with nearly every aspect of it, but there is one small thing that has been driving me up the wall (maybe it exists but I'm simply missing it??):
Why is there no macro mode??!!??
I like to take macro shots, and because of this I cannot get nearly as close as I can on pretty much any other phone I've owned. For some reason it will not focus extremely close.
I'm so confused as to why they left this out.. The intelligent auto does next to nothing to fix it. You can get in relatively close, but not macro close. Any other fixes other than using a different camera app (if that would even fix the issue)?

I use the Lenovo app, its great and there is a macro mode.

Kirkymole said:
I use the Lenovo app, its great and there is a macro mode.
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Thanks for the suggestion!
I'll have to try that out

huh ? i get the flower and the "macro" when i try to take a picture of something 3cm away in iAuto mode!

Haldi4803 said:
huh ? i get the flower and the "macro" when i try to take a picture of something 3cm away in iAuto mode!
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You cannot get as close as you can with most cameras
I tested with my note 2, and others (which were able to get much closer)...
It just won't focus properly

i get good macro shots can you upload a macro shot to see what are you talking about

You can try all the applications that you want, simply won't focus under 10-12 cm.
I don't know why, but it is so.

Touch focus is better for me, Touch the object you want and your phone will try to focus
But, don't get too close, 8-12cm is the normal range for phone to take very sharp macro photos.
If you want to get closer, don't forget that crop "Digital Zoom" function, Yes it reduce the quality, but you can make better composition.

~iPod~nano~ said:
Touch focus is better for me, Touch the object you want and your phone will try to focus
But, don't get too close, 8-12cm is the normal range for phone to take very sharp macro photos.
If you want to get closer, don't forget that crop "Digital Zoom" function, Yes it reduce the quality, but you can make better composition.
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That is what I use, touch focus,..
Imo that isn't a real macro then
I mean a macro, not just a "fairly course picture"

~iPod~nano~ said:
But, don't get too close, 8-12cm is the normal range for phone to take very sharp macro photos.
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Imo for macro shot Xperia S is better than Xperia Z (I have both). With XS I can focus properly at 5-6 cm.

Not being nasty in any way, but lets remember, this is only a phone. The camera is a convenience, not a luxury. If you want great macro shots or the like then you need to be looking to either hit up a DSLR or like me head for the oldschool SLRs.

Kirkymole said:
Not being nasty in any way, but lets remember, this is only a phone. The camera is a convenience, not a luxury. If you want great macro shots or the like then you need to be looking to either hit up a DSLR or like me head for the oldschool SLRs.
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Haven't had the issue with pretty much any other phone I've owned though
I'm just not really sure why it is like this.
This kind of answer isn't really helpful though in any way.
Sony are praised for their cameras, yet they leave out a basic feature that my note 2 has, and my older x10 had.
Just seems strange

crixley said:
Haven't had the issue with pretty much any other phone I've owned though
I'm just not really sure why it is like this.
This kind of answer isn't really helpful though in any way.
Sony are praised for their cameras, yet they leave out a basic feature that my note 2 has, and my older x10 had.
Just seems strange
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I appreciate it is a strange decision, but then so was the choice to release the add on lense things.Honestly, manufactures do slip up, and I would guess this was one of those times. It's a shame, aside from the battery bug issue and the one you are on about, the phone is near perfection.

Right.. We actually need manual focus like in the pro camera app from Nokia.. And it's now impossible since I've used manual focus on a gingerbread LG phone before.. Tried Porting the app, get fc moments after the ui shows
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Why you dont shoot from 10-12 cm with goog focus and next go to crop the image with edithor - stock or something from the market.Or just use digital zoom- it is actualy real time croping.The picture is 13 mpx and have many many pixels to zoom/crop.

propov said:
Why you dont shoot from 10-12 cm with goog focus and next go to crop the image with edithor - stock or something from the market.Or just use digital zoom- it is actualy real time croping.The picture is 13 mpx and have many many pixels to zoom/crop.
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Besides the point though really..
It is a very basic feature, I just can't understand why it isn't there. Does the s4 have it (since it uses the same sensor I hear)?

Nexus 5 in the hands of a photographer

We gave our Nexus 5 in the hands of a photographer (friend of mine) for a month, and this is what we get!
Very impressive!
http://www.androidworld.it/2014/01/...i-di-un-fotografo-il-nostro-test-foto-209321/

cisoprogressivo said:
We gave our Nexus 5 in the hands of a photographer (friend of mine) for a month, and this is what we get!
Very impressive!
http://www.androidworld.it/2014/01/...i-di-un-fotografo-il-nostro-test-foto-209321/
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Knowing a thing or two about taking picture taking results in some impressive pictures.
Whodathunkit!

Cirkustanz said:
Knowing a thing or two about taking picture taking results in some impressive pictures.
Whodathunkit!
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yup

There's some pretty severe pink-camera-problem going on in the center of most of the photos.

Wow, these look great.
Getting excited to see if I'll be able to get shots which look are remotely as good

and you had to get a photographer for those shots? :laugh:
anyways, OP has "generating clicks" written all over it.

Nice shots! I especially like how well OIS works on the n5 when taking videos too, much better than the n4.

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There's some pretty severe pink-camera-problem going on in the center of most of the photos.
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I think that issue is pretty common these days, you camera might even produce those with the very same conditions.

Nice Pic's, probably could have been a litter better if it was from a White N5

Grande ciso!

EarlZ said:
I think that issue is pretty common these days, you camera might even produce those with the very same conditions.
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My N4 has it as well, I agree, but not to the extent as observed in those photos.

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Nice Pic's, probably could have been a litter better if it was from a White N5
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O_O explain

biscuitownz said:
O_O explain
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Auto correct. Little. White N5's are better than the black ones

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Auto correct. Little. White N5's are better than the black ones
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How are they a little better?

cisoprogressivo said:
We gave our Nexus 5 in the hands of a photographer (friend of mine) for a month, and this is what we get!
Very impressive!
http://www.androidworld.it/2014/01/...i-di-un-fotografo-il-nostro-test-foto-209321/
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I am assuming that your friend bit**ed and moaned about the lack of manual shutter speed and aperture control, default camera app (awful), and in general lack of a manual mode (which is how most pros shoot- manually setting everything).
Disclaimer: I'm a photographer (not the 'I have a DSLR and use AUTO mode and press this thingy' photographer, the 'I have my own successful business' kind) and the lack of manual shutter & aperture is beyond frustrating to me. Sure there are (mostly worthless) apps that give you some control of ISO, WB, burst mode, etc., but without those vital exposure controls (shutter and aperture) to me all smartphone cameras will suck.
I know, I know. It's not a pro level slr... it's a phone...

Of course having stunning locations always helps.

anactoraaron said:
I am assuming that your friend bit**ed and moaned about the lack of manual shutter speed and aperture control, default camera app (awful), and in general lack of a manual mode (which is how most pros shoot- manually setting everything).
Disclaimer: I'm a photographer (not the 'I have a DSLR and use AUTO mode and press this thingy' photographer, the 'I have my own successful business' kind) and the lack of manual shutter & aperture is beyond frustrating to me. Sure there are (mostly worthless) apps that give you some control of ISO, WB, burst mode, etc., but without those vital exposure controls (shutter and aperture) to me all smartphone cameras will suck.
I know, I know. It's not a pro level slr... it's a phone...
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While I agree with you that the default camera app is incredibly awful and lacks many controls, mobile phones are replacing point and shoot cameras, not DSLRs or micro 4/3. Also, most people use photos nowadays for stupid web shots/social/ready-made-filters etc and not for printing or cropping and zooming for the perfect frame.
I replaced my Cannon P&S since I had the HTC One X two years ago, but no mobile will ever replace my Fuji X-A1

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(which is how most pros shoot- manually setting everything).
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I don't disagree with you on anything but this - most modern SLR pros I know (less than 100, but many more than 10) do NOT shoot all manual. Most may shoot A-priority or S-priority, or use P mode and wheel their way to the desired blend, but only landscape, product or portrait shooters really can practically go all manual, all the time - you need non-moving subjects and somewhat consistent lighting to rock all manual and get a decent return on your shots.
And let's be fair, manual shooting modes do not make better pictures: better photographers make better pictures.

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While I agree with you that the default camera app is incredibly awful and lacks many controls, mobile phones are replacing point and shoot cameras, not DSLRs or micro 4/3. Also, most people use photos nowadays for stupid web shots/social/ready-made-filters etc and not for printing or cropping and zooming for the perfect frame.
I replaced my Cannon P&S since I had the HTC One X two years ago, but no mobile will ever replace my Fuji X-A1
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I know this and agree with you entirely, but I do have an old Polaroid P&S that allows me to set the shutter speed (like from 1/30-1/200, but no aperture control) and that thing is 5+ years old now. But yeah, the need to own a P&S is mostly non-existent with how good smartphone cameras are getting now. It still wouldn't stop me from griping about the things I mentioned if someone gave me a smartphone to take photos with the expectation of delivering pro quality work though (OP was 'I gave my phone to my pro friend to see what he/she could do').
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I don't disagree with you on anything but this - most modern SLR pros I know (less than 100, but many more than 10) do NOT shoot all manual. Most may shoot A-priority or S-priority, or use P mode and wheel their way to the desired blend, but only landscape, product or portrait shooters really can practically go all manual, all the time - you need non-moving subjects and somewhat consistent lighting to rock all manual and get a decent return on your shots.
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The only problem I have with P, A, and S priority modes is the reaction time of the camera to lighting conditions - especially outdoors. I particularly have an issue with P mode as most cameras seem to want a neutral/balanced shutter and aperture - like 1/60 @ f8 - whereas I may want 1/125 or faster @ f4.5-6.3 - and it gets worse outdoors (like wanting 1/160 @ f25 instead of 1/800 @ f8 etc) almost necessitating use of S mode if auto operation is desired. It also seems to take too long sometimes for the camera to read the amount of light and adjust the exposure (shutter speed in A mode or aperture in S mode) correctly. Shooting in manual mode for me is easier and better for me as I can read the light and pick a proper shutter, etc. based on conditions where I am shooting without having to worry about being occasionally slightly too bright (concern for a loss of detail being washed out) or too dark (where softness/pixelation comes into play).
But I suppose how you use your camera will vary on what you are taking pictures of. My gripe with the Nexus 5 is that with adequate lighting indoors and having the flash on auto the camera seems to always want to take pictures with the flash off at 1/10 or 1/20 @ f10 ISO ~400 or something like that, and that's just no good with really anything especially pictures of the kids. Why can't I at least just set the shutter? So many blurry pics... I thought there would be more emphasis on getting the camera experience better on a Nexus phone... the sad thing is that the hardware is actually really good for a phone but sadly the software side is woefully behind :crying:
And let's be fair, manual shooting modes do not make better pictures: better photographers make better pictures.
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Absolutely correct.

I always love these posts,
I have been an on again off again professional photographer for over 10 years mostly in industrial photography.
Even once owned an online photography magazine with pros writing articles from around the world.
My first thought is that it never really has much to do with the camera, its the photographer that stands behind this.
The best example I can give you of this, is the gear snobs that say you can't use mirror-less cameras in the professional setting.
Just grab a pro photographer give them a Nikon V1 or a Olympus OM-D and let them go shooting for a day.
As far as not having P/S/A/M modes, it's a phone....
1 in 100 000 people will even know what that is and about a third of those will actually know how to use it.
If we want to talk camera geek for a moment.
Sensor size is 1/3.2″
Aperture is f2.4 (fixed Aperture)
Max iso is 100 - 800
What does this mean?
Low light shots will still be grainy (Tiny sensor doesn't collect enough light)
The Lens is equivalent to about 28mm which if you have a Canon Rebel or a Nikon DXXXX camera it works out to the 18mm on a kit lens.
So why no manual control?
Well with a fixed aperture of 2.4 what can you change?
Well if you know cameras there is something called the exposure triangle, all this means is aperture, shutter speed, iso have to line up just right for an image to be exposed correctly. In A (aperture priority) you only control aperture and iso, S (shutter priority)you only control shutter and iso, and M you control everything. If you can't change the aperture then you can't use these modes.
Any app that says it gives you control of these things are just simulated.
Every photographers favorite word.... Bokeh!
The blur in the background, how to get it on a phone.
First we have to look at two things the 28mm lens and the tiny sensor. The smaller the sensor does not help at all in this case and nether does the focal length. To get Bokeh with your phone you have to get really really close to your subject almost as if your taking a macro shot.
One more trick for you guys if your still reading this, the camera phone is not ideal for taking portraits.
The reason why is at 28mm you get barrel distortion that pulls the center of the image towards the viewer. You can give people longer than usual noses and get strangeness going on. If your going to take a portrait of a person, instead of taking a close up on the face back up a bit. It will help hide this distortion.
Wow didn't mean for this to come out this long but I am at work, and bored.... lol

Picture and video quality

Omg
I'm trying to capture myself as accurately as possible
When I'm taking pictures with either camera or recording video the picture and video playback looks right.
When I go to transfer them to my computer the quality doesn't look the same as when I took the picture, my skin tone is off, primally, quality etc just looks not as good is it losing quality or something. ? I can be in my vanity mirror, take a picture and see two different people
Makes me self conscious when I'm looking back at them, even though I know it's not an accurate depiction of me but it deters me from wanting to use this camera because when I'm viewing the picture on the device it's much different on computer
This is dysfunctional

Maybe your pc needs an upgrade to the graphics card. 4k screen for it and some software bumps and you will probably see what u see on phone
BAD ASS NOTE 4

The note is 2k, my computer is HD. I only record in 1920x1080, and the camera's are usually on the highest megapixel setting. I just wish the replication was more accurate.

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The note is 2k, my computer is HD. I only record in 1920x1080, and the camera's are usually on the highest megapixel setting. I just wish the replication was more accurate.
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It be to hard to say what it what. You can have hd that is 720 or hd that is 1080. Both hd but night and day difference. Not really sure what you be looking for. I take pic it looks just as good on phone or pc.
BAD ASS NOTE 4

Maybe I'll just get a real camera that can take better indoor photos

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Maybe I'll just get a real camera that can take better indoor photos
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I hope we are not talking about selfies, lol.
But yes, I will suggest you buy an actual camera if you are trying to go with all that real world qualities and what not.
You can also also buy Camera FV-5 from the playstore, fractions of a real camera and see what that can do for you. It is the most realistic camera shots I have seen out there You can also do a lot of customizations with it that you can with actual cameras...I'm not talking about samsung gimmicks or the many gimmics out there such as blurr and what ever else is out there.
P.S Procamera is also good.
P.P.S...sure its not your lighting? My note 4 camera depict me quite well -cheeky smiles-
Let me know how it goes for you!

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I hope we are not talking about selfies, lol.
But yes, I will suggest you buy an actual camera if you are trying to go with all that real world qualities and what not.
You can also also buy Camera FV-5 from the playstore, fractions of a real camera and see what that can do for you. It is the most realistic camera shots I have seen out there You can also do a lot of customizations with it that you can with actual cameras...I'm not talking about samsung gimmicks or the many gimmics out there such as blurr and what ever else is out there.
P.S Procamera is also good.
P.P.S...sure its not your lighting? My note 4 camera depict me quite well -cheeky smiles-
Let me know how it goes for you!
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Lol no I'm not a fan of selfies and bathroom mirrors I use my tripod 85% of the time. I want to be satisfied with the picture and just upload it and not have to tinker with the photo because it just doesn't look right. But you have a point some lighting it's great others it's just like who the hell is that Lol. That's why I just record videos instead, never really been photogenic but in person I get many compliments it's so funny up me Lol but I rather in real life where it counts then social media

Haha, definitely ...beside, we are our own worst critics!
Happy Holidays!

Why the OnePlus 5 Camera is a Big Fail is real world usage

'Clearer Photos' - written on the side of the box. The biggest hype surrounding the OnePlus 5 has been about the camera. On paper the specs look great, 'benchmark' photos and scores look good too. But in real world usage it's a big Fail. This is why..
All else being equal, more mega pixels means lower quality images. This may be a surprise to some. This is the reason. More pixels on a sensor means each pixel is smaller. Which means over the same time period less light is recorded on each pixel. To solve this problem there are two solutions. 1) Hold the shutter open longer to capture more light. Longer shutter times causes blurring and softness if any movement is present. 2) Increase the amplification from the sensor (ISO). This causes noise and degrades the image. The result is lower quality photos.
So why have a high Megapixel count? Resolution. In the early days of digital photography the low resolution from cameras was a limiting factor and you could easily see the pixels if you zoomed in. 1.3MP for example is 1280x1200 pixels. That's not going to look great on a high resolution screen or blown up. So what about the 20MP sensor in the OnePlus 5? Well that's 3'600x5'400 pixels! This is only useful if you're printing images out in a large poster size. With the tiny sensors in a mobile phone you'll only be able to produce good quality images at this resolution if there's tons of light and the scene is still.
Here's a newsflash for OnePlus: We don't use our mobile phones to take photos of trees in the sun (unless you're a phone reviewer). We use our phones to take photos of family, friends, pets, activities, often inside or at night and other low light scenarios and we post them on Facebook and Instagram.
We need in focus, non blurred, 'Clearer' photos that will mostly be viewed on other phones. This translates to phones with good low light performance with fast auto-focus. We don't need or want 20MP degrading that quality. We also need a better auto-focus system. Have a look at the last couple generations of the Samsung Galaxy to see how it should be done.
This is why the OnePlus 5 camera fails in real life usage and is a disappointment. Please listen OnePlus. Look at what the other manufacturers are doing and get it right on the OnePlus 6.

surprising post perhaps dual camera understanding is requiredbefore writting so much about powerful dual camera phone

Reading this was such a waste of time

Perfect summary of whats going on. Only god knows what was going on in OP's marketeers. "Clearer photos" my ***!
I am so much disappoint!
Edit: The sad thing is that I even think (then again, I'm an idiot..) their strategy can make sense. Yes, they could have put ONE sensor in there that yields better results than the current setup. But having TWO cameras is the new trend and, thus, is way easier to market. Even the new Samsung Note will feature two sensors. So OP had to choose between a better camera and less revenue or a worse camera and more revenue.
Unfortunately they picked the latter.

How many threads are going to be create just to talk about camera ?
As already said in others threads, people expected a perfect DSLR with 40Mpx and a perfect night quality image. Come on are you serious ? This is marketing people, wake up, think with your brain sometime please.
I did not even read OP, such a waste of time to see an other person complaining about the camera.
We know what your are going to do next. RMA and send back the phone. Nice, change phone if you are not happy, but stop pollute this forum with one nth useless thread. Thanks.

casual_kikoo said:
How many threads are going to be create just to talk about camera ?
As already said in others threads, people expected a perfect DSLR with 40Mpx and a perfect night quality image. Come on are you serious ? This is marketing people, wake up, think with your brain sometime please.
I did not even read OP, such a waste of time to see an other person complaining about the camera.
We know what your are going to do next. RMA and send back the phone. Nice, change phone if you are not happy, but stop pollute this forum with one nth useless thread. Thanks.
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Ok, creating an other topic was maybe useless but... The fact is that at the moment, the camera is very disappointing, to say the least. Especially when the device was marketed as the new camera standard, "clearer photos" etc.
I think nobody was expecting a DSLR camera, but maybe more than the overly washed, grainy or over saturated and sharpened shots that it actually produces. C'mon, I upgraded from an old Nexus 5 and expected a dramatic improvement in the camera quality. I am delighted to say this is not the case.
The big question now is : will these issues be software fixable ?

DarkAdrien said:
Ok, creating an other topic was maybe useless but... The fact is that at the moment, the camera is very disappointing, to say the least. Especially when the device was marketed as the new camera standard, "clearer photos" etc.
I think nobody was expecting a DSLR camera, but maybe more than the overly washed, grainy or over saturated and sharpened shots that it actually produces. C'mon, I upgraded from an old Nexus 5 and expected a dramatic improvement in the camera quality. I am delighted to say this is not the case.
The big question now is : will these issues be software fixable ?
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If I'm good, each iteration of OnePlus device get a better camera with software update.

You are probably right but there are things you can accept when you pay 300$ that you can not accept anymore when you pay 550$. Rising the price also means raising the expectations.

Please will people stop making random rant posts and freaking out?!
The phone has been released for a week now and isn't even globally available yet.
There's been 3 software updates already to fix issues.
Just wait about a month and then if it's still crap you can complain.

The problem is that in many countries, you can freely return you device within 14 days after you purchased it. So waiting one Month with nothing but hopes and wishes is a costly option.

djsubterrain said:
Please will people stop making random rant posts and freaking out?!
The phone has been released for a week now and isn't even globally available yet.
There's been 3 software updates already to fix issues.
Just wait about a month and then if it's still crap you can complain.
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A crap phone is a crap phone. There's nothing to suggest the 5 is anything but a middle tier phone with lots of problems. No excuses from One Plus.

Batfink33 said:
A crap phone is a crap phone. There's nothing to suggest the 5 is anything but a middle tier phone with lots of problems. No excuses from One Plus.
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Middle tier...with specs rivalling and surpassing the most expensive phones you can buy.
OK.
Go away.

Batfink33 said:
A crap phone is a crap phone. There's nothing to suggest the 5 is anything but a middle tier phone with lots of problems. No excuses from One Plus.
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Why you have to cry in every single thread, over and over again? Return it and buy a better phone.

djsubterrain said:
Middle tier...with specs rivalling and surpassing the most expensive phones you can buy.
OK.
Go away.
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Nonsense. A fast SOC and lots of RAM doesn't make up for fake promises of a great camera and lies about benchmarks, poor design, little features etc. Give OP credit when they deserve it and heat when they don't. The OP5 is a big let down, they need to sort themselves out.

B3501 said:
Nonsense. A fast SOC and lots of RAM doesn't make up for fake promises of a great camera and lies about benchmarks, poor design, little features etc. Give OP credit when they deserve it and heat when they don't. The OP5 is a big let down, they need to sort themselves out.
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It's also a week old, are you telling me no other major phone manufacturer has issues when their phones have just been released? There's been plenty of those issues with Samsung, Apple and others.
Even Apple's own depth effect had to have multiple software updates before it worked properly.

bus_ter said:
We don't use our mobile phones to take photos of trees in the sun (unless you're a phone reviewer). We use our phones to take photos of family, friends, pets, activities, often inside or at night and other low light scenarios and we post them on Facebook and Instagram.
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Don't you? We do; mostly pictures taken outside. I guess you need to get a phone which works for you.

thread closed,
Please use this one to discuss the camera issues you are having:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5/how-to/camera-thread-t3624645
thanks
Wolf