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oleophobic coating?

Does xperia z has oleophobic coating or any kind of coating?
From experience of xperia T, scratch easy with stock screen protector, taking off screen protector attracts finger prints and smudges. Also hard to get off unless use glass cleaner. The glass has a resistant vs oleophobic coating.
With Galaxy S3 oleophobic coating, its smooth and easy to get finger prints off without glass cleaner.
It will be a deal-breaker for me, as much as i love the design and material on xperia z.
Some kind gentleman take off screen protector and tell me how is the glass it self feels like? does it feels like the xperia T?
I dont care about which glass is stronger, i want a smooth screen without screen protector.

tvp480 said:
Does xperia z has oleophobic coating or any kind of coating?
From experience of xperia T, scratch easy with stock screen protector, taking off screen protector attracts finger prints and smudges. Also hard to get off unless use glass cleaner. The glass has a resistant vs oleophobic coating.
With Galaxy S3 oleophobic coating, its smooth and easy to get finger prints off without glass cleaner.
It will be a deal-breaker for me, as much as i love the design and material on xperia z.
Some kind gentleman take off screen protector and tell me how is the glass it self feels like? does it feels like the xperia T?
I dont care about which glass is stronger, i want a smooth screen without screen protector.
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It is the same glass. So I think it should feel about same.
Xperia Z ruined for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GzYnDnZDRg

They apply a shetterproof film on the screen. If you don't want it - you can replace it with any other screen protector - or apply a second one on it. It doesn't affect looks or screen responsivness - so what's the problem here ?

Jeez... I think I might cancel my pre-order. How could they get this so wrong?!

mwatson said:
Jeez... I think I might cancel my pre-order. How could they get this so wrong?!
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This video is about Xperia T. There is no evidence that Xperia Z is the same other than "she said so".
Also, a shatterproof film is suddenly a bad thing...i'm confused

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Akiainavas said:
This video is about Xperia T. There is no evidence that Xperia Z is the same other than "she said so".
Also, a shatterproof film is suddenly a bad thing...i'm confused
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If you've been using a mobile phones which include a oleophobic coating for 5 years its quite a backwards step to use one without. The screen is the interface to the eye and the finger after all. Did you see the way that screen protector got scratched?
Personally I don't like screen protectors, for others that don't mind then all is good
Some people like salted nuts, others dry roasted. Nothing too confusing I hope! :silly:

mwatson said:
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If you've been using a mobile phones which include a oleophobic coating for 5 years its quite a backwards step to use one without. The screen is the interface to the eye and the finger after all. Did you see the way that screen protector got scratched?
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I honestly don't care as i always use a screen protector and am quite used to them. If i can have both antishatter and antiscratch protectors on at the same time, without compromising display's clarity and responsiveness - it's even better.
Having just glass would be nice - but i don't believe in Gorilla Glass anymore. Had 3 phones with GG1/2 and they all got scratched very easily before i started to use protectors - so yeah, if you don't like screen protectors, Xperia Z might not be the best option as it most likely will scratch without one due to not-so-scratch-resistant antishatter film.

Akiainavas said:
I honestly don't care as i always use a screen protector and am quite used to them. If i can have both antishatter and antiscratch protectors on at the same time, without compromising display's clarity and responsiveness - it's even better.
Having just glass would be nice - but i don't believe in Gorilla Glass anymore. Had 3 phones with GG1/2 and they all got scratched very easily before i started to use protectors - so yeah, if you don't like screen protectors, Xperia Z might not be the best option as it most likely will scratch without one due to not-so-scratch-resistant antishatter film.
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TBH the best thing is to go into a "3" store and have a look. They already have them on display in some stores.

mwatson said:
I think I might cancel my pre-order.
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You shouldn't be on the internet if you made that decision just by that video.

brambizimski said:
You shouldn't be on the internet if you made that decision just by that video.
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You must be a school child with comments like that

If you look carefully in videos on youtube it would seem that the back of the handsets attract more prints. Perhaps the front and back use different layers on the glass.
Bare in mind these are all pre-production models.
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brambizimski said:
You shouldn't be on the internet if you made that decision just by that video.
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mwatson said:
You must be a school child with comments like that
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Guys, don't do this, seriously...

Akiainavas said:
Guys, don't do this, seriously...
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Sure.. Ended! maybe someone who has seen one in the flesh can confirm if it has one of these weird build in screen protectors on?

mwatson said:
Sure.. Ended! maybe someone who has seen one in the flesh can confirm if it has one of these weird build in screen protectors on?
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Yes it does have it on. You can see it here:
3 UK Hands on
I'm pretty sure that all Sony phones have had it on though.

Akiainavas said:
They apply a shetterproof film on the screen. If you don't want it - you can replace it with any other screen protector - or apply a second one on it. It doesn't affect looks or screen responsivness - so what's the problem here ?
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Screen looks and touch experience is my problem. I had both, xperia T, S3 and note 2. S3 screen looks very nice, feels very nice and smooth. I use swype, so i swipe alot. Using xperia T is nice too, but its not the same experience as oleophobic coating on it(S3).
If xperia z has the same glass as the xperia T, then its a deal breaker for me.
Hoping Xperia Z will be using a different glass and some kind of coating under that stock screen protector.
Note- I dont use screen protector, so replacing stock screen protector doesnt work for me.
Waiting patiently for a retail version Screen review.

Here's a good durability test from a different sony device. Hmmm seems pretty durable to me....
This negates the Xperia T video posted few posts back.
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Here's a good durability test from a different sony device. Hmmm seems pretty durable to me....
This negates the Xperia T video posted few posts back.

Riyal said:
Here's a good durability test from a different sony device. Hmmm seems pretty durable to me....
This negates the Xperia T video posted few posts back.
This negates the Xperia T video posted few posts back.
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note screen size and device name Xperia ACTIVE

Still note that Xperia is still Xperia. Unless Sony decides to downgrade their screen technology... And size may affect durability but not in that type of tests.

mwatson said:
You must be a school child with comments like that
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+1
Come on guys, it did ruin Xperia Z for me too. BTW gorilla glass's purpose is to prevent shattering. Oleophobic layer is done above it and that catches scratches. Same vlogger did a detail video explaining Gorilla Glass's myths of being scratch proof.
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From all the prototype xperia z, it seem like it uses the same screen as xperia T. Hopefully it doesnt use the same screen as xperia T. I had both phone and xperia T is disappointing. If its the same screen then its a deal-breaker. Still waiting for retail, Somehow xperia z upgrade there phone, dont put on stock protector and put a layer of oleophobic on it, they they score gold. If not, then lots of people will be disappointing, unless your a screen protector type.

[Q] Xperia Z Dragontrail, Gorilla Glass, Polycarbonate, glass fiber

So I am planning on buying this magnificent phone but did some thinking while i was showering. Got all these text messages and tempted to text back in the shower. Since the Xperia Z is nearly made out of glass materials; according to Sony viet, I've been wondering is the same thing going to happen to the Xperia Z like the Nexus 4?
For those who already owns the Xperia Z:
It would be a huge problem for those who will have to do imports from another country. How durable are these glass? It can survive heights but how about sudden temperature change?
and one more question, there's no point applying screen protectors if you plan on getting the phone wet right?

As far as I know the Xperia Z's glass should be a bit more durable than the Nexus 4's, but until it hits the market in more countries we won't really know. I'd be surprised if the glass would crack because of temperature changes though.
Applying an extra screenprotector on top of the shatter-proof sheet shouldn't be a problem. It might loosen faster if it gets wet but I don't think you'll notice much difference.

The only difference between them is that Nexus uses Gorilla Glass, and Sony uses tempered glass. As great as Gorilla Glass is, it's hardened properties don't make it temperature resistant. The process of glass tempering, in theory, makes it resistant to sudden temperature changes - they use the same technology to make glass for ovens etc. So I think it shouldn't happen with Xperia, but we'll never know unless somebody takes time and money to make a test.
Screen protectors shouldn't be bothered by water. If they're static, then they'll stay on. Those that use glue might start to peel off after a while.

Ambroos said:
As far as I know the Xperia Z's glass should be a bit more durable than the Nexus 4's, but until it hits the market in more countries we won't really know. I'd be surprised if the glass would crack because of temperature changes though.
Applying an extra screenprotector on top of the shatter-proof sheet shouldn't be a problem. It might loosen faster if it gets wet but I don't think you'll notice much difference.
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Just wondering, have you tried taking it to the shower with you? lol
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The only difference between them is that Nexus uses Gorilla Glass, and Sony uses tempered glass. As great as Gorilla Glass is, it's hardened properties don't make it temperature resistant. The process of glass tempering, in theory, makes it resistant to sudden temperature changes - they use the same technology to make glass for ovens etc. So I think it shouldn't happen with Xperia, but we'll never know unless somebody takes time and money to make a test.
Screen protectors shouldn't be bothered by water. If they're static, then they'll stay on. Those that use glue might start to peel off after a while.
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well according to that link, the back glass of the Z is made out of Gorilla glass, and the front is made out of Dragontrail.
I forgot where i read it from, some Sony employee stated that the front and the back uses the same glass. >_____>
Accordingly the glass front of the Xperia Z Dragontrail glasses of Japanese with tremendous strength capacity of about 60kg or sharp objects directly on the screen. On the back of a click-toughened Gorilla Glass scratch-resistant and finally the other components of the body using Polycarbonate material and fiberglass (glass fiber polymer) normal 300 times more durable plastic.

LitoNi said:
Just wondering, have you tried taking it to the shower with you? lol
well according to that link, the back glass of the Z is made out of Gorilla glass, and the front is made out of Dragontrail.
I forgot where i read it from, some Sony employee stated that the front and the back uses the same glass. >_____>
Accordingly the glass front of the Xperia Z Dragontrail glasses of Japanese with tremendous strength capacity of about 60kg or sharp objects directly on the screen. On the back of a click-toughened Gorilla Glass scratch-resistant and finally the other components of the body using Polycarbonate material and fiberglass (glass fiber polymer) normal 300 times more durable plastic.
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http://www.eprice.com.hk/mobile/talk/4551/49606/1/rv/sony-xperia-z-L36h-review/
If those are genuine Sony slides, than we finally have a confirmation:
Front: Dragontrail Glass
Back: Gorilla Glass
Sides: Polycarbonate
Body: Glass Fiber Polyamide

LitoNi said:
Just wondering, have you tried taking it to the shower with you? lol
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Nope, not yet I have washed it in the sink a few times and it just ain't bothered by any water! It's a very, very weird feeling and part of my brain was screaming "Nooooooooooo!" but it's all fine

Akiainavas said:
http://www.eprice.com.hk/mobile/talk/4551/49606/1/rv/sony-xperia-z-L36h-review/
If those are genuine Sony slides, than we finally have a confirmation:
Front: Dragontrail Glass
Back: Gorilla Glass
Sides: Polycarbonate
Body: Glass Fiber Polyamide
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Why would they have gorilla on the back and dragontrail on the front though?
Isn't Nexus 4 gorilla on the back or is that some kind of weaker glass? (Was thinking about the crackings due to sudden changes in temp)

dreamz0r said:
Why would they have gorilla on the back and dragontrail on the front though?
Isn't Nexus 4 gorilla on the back or is that some kind of weaker glass? (Was thinking about the crackings due to sudden changes in temp)
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No idea. Heard that Nexus 4's back is not gorilla glass though. Also, Nexus 4 wasn't the first phone to use glass back, and this problem seems to be bugging mostly Nexus 4 users ( not often found in any other brand ) so maybe it's some kind of LG specific defect.

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No idea. Heard that Nexus 4's back is not gorilla glass though. Also, Nexus 4 wasn't the first phone to use glass back, and this problem seems to be bugging mostly Nexus 4 users ( not often found in any other brand ) so maybe it's some kind of LG specific defect.
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I have a faint memory about the back not being gorilla on nexus 4 and now that you mention it i haven't hear anything about other phones with cracks (except iphones but they're meant to break just by looking at it..)

I have spoken to a Sony Rep and apparently Sony uses Gorilla Glass 2 as well as DragonTrail. Devices will come with either one installed. (you might have the front panel made of GG2 and back from DT) and consumers will not have a choice of the glass used. The back panel of the phone has an additional layer on the glass which provides some glare effect (so that could be the layer that is being scratched and not the actual glass). On the front there will be a screen protector preinstalled.
Users will not have an option to select the glass used in their phone, so we will either have GG2 or DT on the front and either GG2 or DT on the back. I think that this should also clarify the on going debate about which glass is used in Xperia Z.

Omg that's so bad. Might have to hold back on this one.
I still don't understand why Sony would do such a thing. Wouldn't it be easier for them to use both DT? Or are they cheaping out on the glass?
May I ask which sony you asked? Europe? Hong Kong?

LitoNi said:
Omg that's so bad. Might have to hold back on this one.
I still don't understand why Sony would do such a thing. Wouldn't it be easier for them to use both DT? Or are they cheaping out on the glass?
May I ask which sony you asked? Europe? Hong Kong?
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I am from Poland and I spoke to official Sony rep. I got his number from a Sony Store in Poznan, Poland after I asked them if I could do a scratch test on their display device in store

Sv: [Q] Xperia Z Dragontrail, Gorilla Glass, Polycarbonate, glass fiber
I was concerned about the glass on the Nexus 4 until I dropped it once and then a couple more times... so far it is intact... in my opinion Sony has far bettef manufacturing than LG but will see what happens. Phonewise I am not impressed by the Nexus 4 but for tha price you cannot complain ...
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shem2409 said:
I have spoken to a Sony Rep and apparently Sony uses Gorilla Glass 2 as well as DragonTrail. Devices will come with either one installed. (you might have the front panel made of GG2 and back from DT) and consumers will not have a choice of the glass used. The back panel of the phone has an additional layer on the glass which provides some glare effect (so that could be the layer that is being scratched and not the actual glass). On the front there will be a screen protector preinstalled.
Users will not have an option to select the glass used in their phone, so we will either have GG2 or DT on the front and either GG2 or DT on the back. I think that this should also clarify the on going debate about which glass is used in Xperia Z.
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I don't think you can use two types of glass like that, with one device getting one or another... XZ wouldn't be certified for release ( by the likes of FCC etc ) if that were true. You need to provide one, particular specification for each device to be allowed to even release it on the market. You could file a class law suit for selling randomly inferior devices as the same model and for the same price - Sony certainly wouldn't do that. There might be some regional differences, but it's certainly not GG or DT at random. I think they might have made a mistake or didn't know this at all.

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I don't think you can use two types of glass like that, with one device getting one or another... XZ wouldn't be certified for release ( by the likes of FCC etc ) if that were true. You need to provide one, particular specification for each device to be allowed to even release it on the market. You could file a class law suit for selling randomly inferior devices as the same model and for the same price - Sony certainly wouldn't do that. There might be some regional differences, but it's certainly not GG or DT at random. I think they might have made a mistake or didn't know this at all.
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Why would the FCC give a crap what glass is used? They are a communications regulator not a design regulator.
It is highly unlikely that the glass would cause communication issues, or interference with other electronics

[Q] Which glass is being used?

Title says it all, which glass is Sony using for it's XPERIA Z's back and front? Corning Gorilla Glass, Dragontrail, unknown manufacturer? I've seen many articles and they all seem to say something different. Anyone with a definite answer? Thanks in advance.

Front: Dragontrail
Back: Gorilla Glass II

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Front: Dragontrail
Back: Gorilla Glass II
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Could you explain why on earth they use 2 different manufacturers? Doesn't make any sense to me.

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Front: Dragontrail
Back: Gorilla Glass II
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That is also my understanding.

RoChinu said:
Could you explain why on earth they use 2 different manufacturers? Doesn't make any sense to me.
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No he can't since he doesn't work for Sony.
And even if he did, he would just have said that the phone uses tempered glass aka we will never? get an answer why they used different kinds of glass, we can only speculate.
Maybe one glass if better to swipe (aka touch screen) and the other has more grip??? Pure speculations:silly:

RoChinu said:
Could you explain why on earth they use 2 different manufacturers? Doesn't make any sense to me.
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It doesn't make sense to me either. Maybe Dragontrail is very expensive and they decided to protect the screen with it ? Have no idea mate but that's what Sony confirmed on their Hong Kong press conference.

Before I got my Xperia Z I have spoken to the official Sony rep in Poland. I have asked him a lot of questions about the glass that they use on the phone. The way he explained it is that Sony has many different suppliers. The glass is supplied by either Corning (Gorrila Glass 2) and whoever makes DragonTrail. Noone will be able to tell you which glass is on your device as it can be either. You could have GG2 on front and back, DT on front and back or a mix of the 2.
Either way both glass types are tempered glass. On top of that the back of the phone has a antiglare layer on it, so if you try to do a scratch test on that glass you will take the layer off.
Hope that clarifies everything.

Really what difference does it make what glass they use? They are shatter resistant like most other phones glass screens.
There is obviously a reason they choose two different types, again it doesn't really matter, it just works.

danw_oz said:
Really what difference does it make what glass they use? They are shatter resistant like most other phones glass screens.
There is obviously a reason they choose two different types, again it doesn't really matter, it just works.
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I'd like to know what exactly I'm purchasing for that amount of money.
And thanks shem2409

RoChinu said:
I'd like to know what exactly I'm purchasing for that amount of money.
And thanks shem2409
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So read/search the forums instead of creating yet another thread of the same questions, already answered so many times.

why are any of you so sure it is Dragontrail or Gorilla glas Sony are using ? they never said anything about what glass type it is... only describe it as mineral glass

All you need to care about is that the glass is strengthened in the phone, and has a layer to assist in the phones resistance to shattering. You are getting a flagship phone with high specs for your cash.
Really who cares in reality, Do any of you ask which saftey glass is in your car windscreen. If you do, then seriously get a life.

Did you apply a protection film?

did you apply a protection film?
I didn`t and I can see some small scratches on my device...
also, can you suggest me a good protection film for xperia z?

There Is a pre installed shatter proof film.
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wawyed said:
There Is a pre installed shatter proof film.
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but it gets very easily scratched :S
I already had a few small scratches

I suggest you try one of the various cheap hard plastic screen protectors that are available. This cost only a few dollars so you can change them once every one or two months. That's what I do with my Note II

I think the point wawyed was making was your device is not scratched, the pre-installed film is.
There are quite a few threads on this exact topic already.... you can remove the pre-installed film if you wish - but you may loose your Sony logo. There are a few good replacement films out there (Spigen)
Bottom line: remove the stock film and replace, or leave the stock film - and put yet another one on top of it.

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I think the point wawyed was making was your device is not scratched, the pre-installed film is.
There are quite a few threads on this exact topic already.... you can remove the pre-installed film if you wish - but you may loose your Sony logo. There are a few good replacement films out there (Spigen)
Bottom line: remove the stock film and replace, or leave the stock film - and put yet another one on top of it.
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I read some informations on the net, but I` think the pre-installed one is a different kind of film
I was thinking about using a normal film over the pre-installed one

masanosuke said:
did you apply a protection film?
I didn`t and I can see some small scratches on my device...
also, can you suggest me a good protection film for xperia z?
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I had applied 3M Vikuiti ADQC27 to Xperia Arc S, S, T, TX and I ordered one more set for tomorrow when I get XZ. I was very pleased with this screen protector, but tomorrow I'll decide on which one to apply them: 3M or the 2 that come in the package (I ordered extra package with dockingstation, smartTags and screen protector). And yes, I put it over the preinstalled one :good:.

Where did you ordered the extra package?

get a set of these and be done with it!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2222928

masanosuke said:
but it gets very easily scratched :S
I already had a few small scratches
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The back of my phone has a couple of hairline scratches - I presume it's because of the bolts near my jeans' pocket. But the screen is fine so far. :victory:

Do you think that will be available a screen protector like the anti-shatter film that Sony put on the phone? It's scratching very easy and I'm thinking that if something similar will be available then I will remove the one from Sony and put that one. On other Xperia phones is available this kind of screen protector?

vibecatalin said:
Do you think that will be available a screen protector like the anti-shatter film that Sony put on the phone? It's scratching very easy and I'm thinking that if something similar will be available then I will remove the one from Sony and put that one. On other Xperia phones is available this kind of screen protector?
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I think the chance of that happening is 1%, but I am surprised that companies haven't brought screen protectors with the sony logo/text.
Also a thing Sony could do is to bring out a services to re-apply the anti shatter sheet for us, specially since it scratches so easy.
Anyways, the reason why I don't see it happening is because the anti shatter sheet is being applied by a device, it needs to fit perfectly or it might lose it's function. Screen protectors can be applied by men, because it's only there to protect the device from scratches and such, not to stop the screen from shattering, even though normal screen protectors also do that, but on a smaller scale.

1. There is no screen protector with Sony logo because of patent / copy rights. It would be very expensive to get the right to use the logo.
2. Sony already offers the service to replace the anti shatter film. Costs about 20 bucks
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20 bucks is not much but I think is not ok to charge me that money for a piece of anti shatter film that scratches very very easily, I've put an cheap film and I will look for a better one in the future to preserve this anti shatter , but extremely scratching film from Sony. That's a huge minus for them. A gorilla glass would be a perfect solution, too bad that Sony didn't think of that. But I still love the phone

I'd prefer to completely remove the anti shatter film, but something is still holding me back. Maybe it's because I payed some hard earned money for that thing, whatever don't wanna argue about that here.
I did not put any other protection film on my XZ. I think it's odd to have two on you display and to be honest there is nothing compared to real glass. the feeling is way better... still don't wanna argue 'bout that.
so I have no protection on my display and I do not use a case... "this guy is an idiot" ...I will buy one soon; I promise. For now I use a little bag where I used to keep my sunglasses. Btw Krussel has some nice covers. "get to the point dude!" ...I keep my XZ in a sidepocket of my jacket and there is nothing else in that pocket and stil I got a few scratches on my display. It does not bother me at all. You have to look very closely to see them. What I am trying to say is that the anti shatter film scratches very easy and as far as I remeber there is gorilla glas underneath... so close, yet so far. I can live with that... for now. Someday I will take it off anyway. I just love my plain black XZ without any logos. LOL, I used to put a little piece of dark tape on my old s2, just to cover up the logo.

scratch-resistant glass and frame

I have the z for 2 months and used it a lot because I use it for work, I did not put any cover and now have scratches on the glass side frame, usb port, and jack on the side sinistra.This glass used by Sony and very poor scratches very easily .... and so to you?

linux1994c said:
I have the z for 2 months and used it a lot because I use it for work, I did not put any cover and now have scratches on the glass side frame, usb port, and jack on the side sinistra.This glass used by Sony and very poor scratches very easily .... and so to you?
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It's the anti shatter film that scratches easily.
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Films on front and back but the sides don't have those films do they?
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Teo032 said:
Films on front and back but the sides don't have those films do they?
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Maybe I have not explained well sorry ... I meant the glass at the sides that reflective

The sides are polycarbonate material and it will indeed scratch up.

mengsuan said:
The sides are polycarbonate material and it will indeed scratch up.
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I thought it was glass .. polycarbonate? On the site sony speaks of polyamide fiber glass? At this point I think they are the best materials of the htc one ...

linux1994c said:
I thought it was glass .. polycarbonate? On the site sony speaks of polyamide fiber glass? At this point I think they are the best materials of the htc one ...
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I don't think the one uses any glass, do they? It's all aluminium right?
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joejoe23 said:
I don't think the one uses any glass, do they? It's all aluminium right?
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yea, all aluminum, minus the screen of course