Related
bad news
read this : http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...s-bootloader-and-recovery-are-signed-as-well/
RIP HTC
Complete Fail. TT
That was one of the reasons i liked HTC, but signed recoverys are no go. If they keep this tactic, no more htc for me
JeckyllHavok said:
That was one of the reasons i liked HTC, but signed recoverys are no go. If they keep this tactic, no more htc for me
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Exactly.
I don't even understand why they would do this...do they not realize that there is a pretty decent amount of customers who buy their phones based on the fact they're completely open to customization?
I feel like this would hurt them more than it could ever help them.
It's coming home, it's coming, my Blackberry's coming home, it's coming home.
Sorry Android, sorry Google, but for me, RIM is better.
redank said:
bad news
read this : http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...s-bootloader-and-recovery-are-signed-as-well/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Saw this as soon as I woke up this morning. Bad news indeed. Very disappointing.
Just one more reason not to get the Incredible S
derhannes1983 said:
It's coming home, it's coming, my Blackberry's coming home, it's coming home.
Sorry Android, sorry Google, but for me, RIM is better.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've been thinking the same thing.
There goes the only developer-friendly phone maker..
I guess that means we want see any root access/development/custom roms for the Incredible S.
Not neccessarily, as I've already posted in the rooting thread, this was already known about and hasn't stopped us yet. Please be patient and stop spreading FUD
Does this mean we will never see csutom roms, or does this mean we'll have to wait until it's cracked?
JeckyllHavok said:
That was one of the reasons i liked HTC, but signed recoverys are no go. If they keep this tactic, no more htc for me
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I Fully agree. It's a pitty HTC wants in on the control over my device game...
I also hate that they want to control our devices. My next device probably wont be an HTC anymore also, however i do like the fooling arround with my phone. id rather would have it rooted quite easily, but i dont hate it they require some manual actions, since it saves a lot of people from having malware on there phones, but hell.... this one is over the top.
Probably have the IS for the next 2 years, so got enough time to play with it haha.
@DaanJordaan
having a motorola milestone with a signature-locked bootloader i can say, that custom roms ARE available... the key-difference is, that the signature-checking bootloader only boots signed kernels. everything else can be replaced with custom-made files. as an exaple: CyanogenMod ist available for the milestone, but without the enhanced kernel.
which in essence means:
custom roms: yes
custom kernels: no
i don't know how big the difference betweet the moto-bootloader and the htc-bootloader is. but if it's somehow similar, custom roms without custom-kernels will work. which indeed sucks... but that's still better than no custom roms at all... let's just hope htc produces very well coded kernels...
I dont think its "HTC" who wants to control rhe device, i've heard its the carriers that are asking for the bootloader to be singed, so they dont have to replace a brick device someone tried ro hack,
Just be thankfull they only signed it and not encrypted it like motorola.
Sent from my Defy
Brumble said:
I dont think its "HTC" who wants to control rhe device, i've heard its the carriers that are asking for the bootloader to be singed, so they dont have to replace a brick device someone tried ro hack,
Just be thankfull they only signed it and not encrypted it like motorola.
Sent from my Defy
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That makes sense (no pun intended).
It's still not good news for the developer community though.
kaze06 said:
That makes sense (no pun intended).
It's still not good news for the developer community though.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No it doesn't. Maybe in the US it does. I can buy a OEM Incredible S with no association with any carrier by paying full price, but seems like even these factory HTC devices are bootloader signed.
syl0n said:
No it doesn't. Maybe in the US it does. I can buy a OEM Incredible S with no association with any carrier by paying full price, but seems like even these factory HTC devices are bootloader signed.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Its probably easier for HTC to just push all the incredible s's through the same production line.
Sent from my Defy
Don't stress on this. ~1hour after it was identified on the thunderbolt, it was bypassed.
Don't go returning phones or quitting android over this.
I hope it will get rooted, I have just sold my HTC Desire, and am looking either to get the Nexus S or this. I have every confidence in the Dev guys to crack it.
HTC really have done something silly, the only reason the Desire sold so well was because it could get rooted so easily and allowed people to do anything they liked to it!
If this info is confirmed then the LG Optimus 2X is the best new phone!
I like HTC but I am not a fanboy fanatic to limit Android to HTC devices
Hi All,
Long time lurker, first time poster.
Just wondered if someone/anyone could sum up what the deal is with the kernel issue for JB roms?
I keep reading that Devs are having to make do with a modded kernel (version 2?) rather than the ideal (version 3?) kernel that would make things less buggy and everyone's lives happier.
Being blithely ignorant of vaguely technical things I don't pretend to understand this but I do see people saying that it's something that HTC aren't releasing.
Is the case that a) there is something HTC have, that they could release but haven't, or b) there's something that HTC could've developed but didn't?
If it's case a), would a mass appeal to HTC to release the something not be a good idea? Consumer power and all that. At very least it's good PR for them in Dev circles, which surely only translates to brand loyalty in the eyes of money men
Sorry if this has already been tried/is pointless.
ltrbrooks said:
Hi All,
Long time lurker, first time poster.
Just wondered if someone/anyone could sum up what the deal is with the kernel issue for JB roms?
I keep reading that Devs are having to make do with a modded kernel (version 2?) rather than the ideal (version 3?) kernel that would make things less buggy and everyone's lives happier.
Being blithely ignorant of vaguely technical things I don't pretend to understand this but I do see people saying that it's something that HTC aren't releasing.
Is the case that a) there is something HTC have, that they could release but haven't, or b) there's something that HTC could've developed but didn't?
If it's case a), would a mass appeal to HTC to release the something not be a good idea? Consumer power and all that. At very least it's good PR for them in Dev circles, which surely only translates to brand loyalty in the eyes of money men
Sorry if this has already been tried/is pointless.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well the kernel HTC released is for Sense and the issue is with AOSP(or AOKP, no sense basically)
The issue is they are not able to get it to boot(you can read the different issues devs had on threads)
a) they have released 3.x kernel and nothing else they will release
b) No there is not they do not release kernel for AOSP
Mass appeal will not help because they will not make such a kernel for us, their phones are sense and that's it. It took them almost a year to even release this sense kernel.
As you might have seen we already have 3.x kernel which works on (all?!) sense roms for ics.
I hope this answers your question. I did not go into details what exactly is the issue because it's been posted a gazillion times and can be read. ( you can read lost prophets last here how far he got http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1996570&page=63)
I don't understand why sense needs special kernel?
weaselEST said:
I don't understand why sense needs special kernel?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ramdisk and drivers etc are different
Sent from my Paranoid Nexus 7
Isn't the difference similar to what was in the previous kernel version (2)?
Firstly, please don't get me wrong here. Im not trolling in the slightest and I really appreciate all the work the devs do here.
With the HTC One having such high specs is there really any need to flash custom Roms? In my opinion all of them seem the same and don't look or feel any different to the stock rom on the One. The only benefit I can see is for Root access.
Im sure there is a lot of "under the hood" tweaks that are done but are these really noticeable or beneficial to the end user? Other peoples thoughts would be interesting.
dr9722 said:
Firstly, please don't get me wrong here. Im not trolling in the slightest and I really appreciate all the work the devs do here.
With the HTC One having such high specs is there really any need to flash custom Roms? In my opinion all of them seem the same and don't look or feel any different to the stock rom on the One. The only benefit I can see is for Root access.
Im sure there is a lot of "under the hood" tweaks that are done but are these really noticeable or beneficial to the end user? Other peoples thoughts would be interesting.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Actually yes, I wish to get CM working fully on HTC One.
It gives us an alternate experience than what HTC wanted us to.
Best of all, you don't have to wait so long for HTC to update their phones.
Especially when they abandon the One, we rely on CM.
But I'm really hoping for the success of the One, nobody could resist the look and feel of the One.
Livebyte said:
Actually yes, I wish to get CM working fully on HTC One.
It gives us an alternate experience than what HTC wanted us to.
Best of all, you don't have to wait so long for HTC to update their phones.
Especially when they abandon the One, we rely on CM.
But I'm really hoping for the success of the One, nobody could resist the look and feel of the One.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I totally agree the updates and the benefit of getting rid on Sense if you dont like it is a real benefit. But is there a need for multiple Sense custom roms?
dr9722 said:
I totally agree the updates and the benefit of getting rid on Sense if you dont like it is a real benefit. But is there a need for multiple Sense custom roms?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's subjective I guess. But for something like example HTC DROID DNA or Butterfly, Sense 5 gets ported before HTC did. So I guess it's also a huge benefit.
Earlier updates is the main reason why I will be rooting, these phone networks take ages to update it's unavailable!!
Also there are some very nice skinned roms out there
I won't be unlocking my bootloader for a while. Not until I am at least sure that my device is working 100% and that will take a couple of weeks. I was eager to root it etc but I was reading about HTC's warranty and it seems as though it is a very long winded process. Maybe you wish to do the same?
m00moo said:
I won't be unlocking my bootloader for a while. Not until I am at least sure that my device is working 100% and that will take a couple of weeks. I was eager to root it etc but I was reading about HTC's warranty and it seems as though it is a very long winded process. Maybe you wish to do the same?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yep ill be in no hurry either.
when i finally get a device im happy with yea i will root and flash custom rom, but not CM - Sense 5 is great and IMO is much better than stock JB - there are a few minor things I would like added, but I have no doubt they will be added to custom sense 5 roms in due course.
to me, there is no point in being a flashaholic. flash the latest stable base, and then keep up with custom kernels for battery.
thats me, idk bout u guys
Personally something that will push me over the unlock bootloader line is when either when A) IF the HTC logo can become mapped as a button, or B) A full relock becomes available lol
For me, absolutely. I consider some features (such as long press vol key to skip tracks) essential. There are also always some visual things I like to change no matter how well it is made
I just need root to enable volume key wake, and ill want to remap the keys. Everything else looks flawless
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using xda app-developers app
do you need root etc. to install flash on ONE ?
ChazyChaz said:
do you need root etc. to install flash on ONE ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No. To my knowledge, the built in browser has flash support.
What about Wi-Fi hotspot support?
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda app-developers app
While there's obviously no NEED, a lot of people will prefer to flash ROMs for a variety of different reasons.
I'd say the main reasons are;
*The ability to have a pure AOSP look which is preferred by a lot of people (especially those who come from a Nexus device). Also, a lot of people don't like the look/feel of Sense and will therefore want to change the UI to something which is more preferable to them.
I, for example, have never tried Sense before and could quite possibly hate it once I finally test it. On the flip side of that, I may love it but at least custom ROMs will give me the ability to completely change the UI whilst giving me a ton more customizations and optimizations than a custom launcher would do.
*As mentioned at the end of the first reason, customization is a huge part of what a lot of people do with their devices. For example, when I had my SGS2 I used to love the ability to flash a simple ROM and have a ton of customization at my fingertips, so I could edit the look of my phone to my hearts content.
*Some people are simply flashaholics and have ORD (Obsessive ROM-flashing/updating Disorder). I'll normally flash every ROM in sight if the device is new and there aren't many ROMs available yet. This way it gives me a good early decision as to what type of ROM I'd prefer on said device. However, once the device starts getting more development and more ROMs start appearing in quick succession, I'll then make my mind up about which ROM to choose and generally won't change ROM for the vast majority of the devices lifetime.
Got a HTC? Join the HTC Hangout Thread
I unlocked, rooted and flashed now because in a few months time the phone will be setup perfectly; all the right apps, all the right data, all in the right place (and HTC might of discovered a way to do a Sensation on us (S-Off))
With the phone rooted I can be relatively confident of getting it back to my currently backed up state after any major updates (and, when I finally install some games, get their progress restored as well)
Sent from my Tricked out HTC One via xda-developers application
Sense means HTC. I don't see any reason to buy HTC if I'm not gonna use sense.
Because HTC makes great hardware. I buy HTC exclusively, but I rip sense off it ASAP and put AOKP or CM or something without sense. Nexus devices are generally not top of the line hardware, they're supposed to be a benchmark for development (i.e. midrange). That said, N4 has more impressive specs than usual, but I can't imagine buying an LG phone. I have never realized LG even made smartphones, only flip phones until the N4 was released.
Still, HTC makes best hardware, I just generally don't like sense. That said, sense 5 does look interesting.
Sent from my EVO LTE using xda premium
Having options is nice!
Dharkan said:
Sense means HTC. I don't see any reason to buy HTC if I'm not gonna use sense.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
To a certain extent, yes, I agree with you on that statement. However, sometimes you just need a change and it is nice to have the option of running AOSP roms as well. I would much rather go back and forth between Sense/AOSP than TouchWiz/AOSP after having my GS3.
No. Roms are for old devices. Lol
Sent from my C6603 using Tapatalk 2
Hi all,
Is there a stock android ROM 4.2.2 similar to the Nexus 4 available to the HTC One. Had a little look in the Development section couldn't find one.
With the announcement of the HTC One Nexus Experience it has perked my interest however there's a possibility it won't come to the UK, therefore looking at getting a One and putting a stock ROM on it.
I am aware of Cyanogen Mod however I'm not a fan of it.
look again
If you look in the right section you'll find some...
Wingzer said:
Hi all,
Is there a stock android ROM 4.2.2 similar to the Nexus 4 available to the HTC One. Had a little look in the Development section couldn't find one.
With the announcement of the HTC One Nexus Experience it has perked my interest however there's a possibility it won't come to the UK, therefore looking at getting a One and putting a stock ROM on it.
I am aware of Cyanogen Mod however I'm not a fan of it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
...yeah, no.
Talk about disrespectful....CyanogenMod is the closest you're going to get to bone-stock Android for a long time. The NE was only announced today. It doesn't even start shipping for another month.
Could have put two and two together...
LiquidSolstice said:
...yeah, no.
Talk about disrespectful....CyanogenMod is the closest you're going to get to bone-stock Android for a long time. The NE was only announced today. It doesn't even start shipping for another month.
Could have put two and two together...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
itll surely help with the AOSP source code to iron out any bugs in CM10.1
IINexusII said:
itll surely help with the AOSP source code to iron out any bugs in CM10.1
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I get that this seems to be a popular assumption, but that's not as much of a given thing as many of you would like to hope. HTC isn't obligated to release the source code for the NE One (only the kernel). If they bake Beats/Camera stuff into that ROM, there's no guarantee that our CM10.1 build will get it.
I have no doubt someone will turn the NE's ROM into a rooted stock ROM for you to flash, but I really wouldn't expect it to help CM10.1 all that much.
Once the release the HTC One with stock rom, will it be easier to port it?
Will we be able to get a fully functional working rom?
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2
Of course it will be easy to port it. Porting aosp roms to the LG Optimus G is dead simple because internally it is identical to the Nexus 4. Same logic applies here
Wingzer said:
Hi all,
Is there a stock android ROM 4.2.2 similar to the Nexus 4 available to the HTC One. Had a little look in the Development section couldn't find one.
With the announcement of the HTC One Nexus Experience it has perked my interest however there's a possibility it won't come to the UK, therefore looking at getting a One and putting a stock ROM on it.
I am aware of Cyanogen Mod however I'm not a fan of it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
you must have had your eyes closed
Jheez, don't think I'll ever bother asking a question again no need for the rudeness!
And for the individual who took offence to me to not liking CM its personal preference I've never liked CM same way I've never like the AOKP either. It sure is a widespread popular ROM and I'm not insulting the developers in fact I respect anyone who can come up with a good stable ROM for android phones.
Hi People,
Finally I have decided to move on from my beloved HTC Incredible S which has been my companion for more than 2 years now and I chose HTC One to be its successor (Yeah I am a HTC Fanboy so my obvious choice was HTC itself). But there are couple of questions that I would like to get answers to before I zero in on it.
1. If I get a HTC One Sense Version, is it easy to install the Google Edition ROM on it? because I love switching roms often and like Latest Updates on my phone just to experience it
2. How is the future of this handset? I am asking it because, my Incredible S had begun with GingerBread and now with awesome developers, I can install KitKat in it too Thats a whole long journey on it.. Just wanted to know if the hardware and processor is future proof because after spending wholesome money on it, I dont want it to get stuck at kitkat
I checked the forum and found that there are whole lot of ROMs available for HTC One and I am excited to go for it. So any guidance here would be wonderful
1. Wouldn't say it was easy. Just be sure to do your research. Read all the relevant topics and so everything exactly as detailed. Here's just one of the many threads you should read.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2358781
2. Apparently stock sense will be supported until next major release 4.5 or 5.
Custom ROMs will go well beyond that I'm sure. Don't know where official gpe support will end.
Sent from my HTC O'ne-xus
mitchst2 said:
1. Wouldn't say it was easy. Just be sure to do your research. Read all the relevant topics and so everything exactly as detailed. Here's just one of the many threads you should read.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2358781
2. Apparently stock sense will be supported until next major release 4.5 or 5.
Custom ROMs will go well beyond that I'm sure. Don't know where official gpe support will end.
Sent from my HTC O'ne-xus
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Oh the Google Edition will be supported max till 2 updates eh? Didnt know that..
Also, why I was asking because, even if official souce code was stopped by HTC.. Devs had developed kernels from scratch and kept the In credible S Alive.. I would love the same happening here..
Any devs who can give info
Didn't say that. Said sense will be supported to either 4.5 or 5. Whichever comes first. I.e. one more big release.
GPE anyone know? Will it follow the nexus 18 month support?
Sent from my HTC O'ne-xus
hoa1 said:
Simply go for it... :fingers-crossed:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
He he, I love to Just some questions as I always love rom modding
Does anyone know how long will GPE be supported by google? Is it same as current nexus??
BTW, There is an Indian Variant of HTC One.. One which has Dual Sim and seems like Single SIM HTC Ones have stopped for no reason :/
Will the custom Firmware of this Single Sim Ones work on that?? Or there is a separate forum for that?