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Preordered an 8GB the 27th of June like a good fanboy. Waited a few weeks and got it the 17th of July. Right out of the box, my excitement is a bit dampened when the screen flickers.
Browse through xda, lots of people with the same issue, must be software right? Oh, this phone and this tablet had it, a software patch fixed it. I give it a few days. Flickering getting very annoying, and as it becomes apparent that it's a hardware issue, people start complaining about units with far worse issues. I hesitate but finally decide to RMA the thing with 1 day left on my "Buyer's remorse" refund period. I'm promised the unit would be checked for such defects before being shipped out.
Yesterday another brand new Nexus arrives, double taped. And, sure enough, it's worse. Not only does it flicker harder than the original, but it has a yellow tint to the screen and a dead pixel right in the middle. Call Google ask if I can ship the new, worse unit back and hold onto my old one until a proper replacement arrives. Rep says I'm SOL since now my 15 days are up, here's the number to Asus. Call Asus, told do a factory reset and call back if problem persists (waste of a call). Call them again, now I'm told I have to ship the thing myself, wait two weeks and either get a new one or a repaired one. No friggin' way.
Call Google again, ready for a phone fight with the reps so they would escalate this. Had I known the replacement would have been (more!) defective, I would have returned the unit right then an there. Tell the rep I'm very upset and that I want to ship both tablets back, get my money back and be done with it. Says that's beyond the scope of what he can do, so he "escalates" the issue to a Google specialist via email, who should get in touch with me "within the next few days due to high order volume".
So now I wait patiently for a reply, hopefully one that doesn't say I'm not their problem anymore. I just want my money back so can I waltz into a retailer and buy a 16GB Nexus, and return it right there if the damn thing is defective.
Good luck. I'm sure Google is swamped with similar issues and it's highly unlikely that you can get your old unit back. However, while you wait get a sheet of paper out and a nice pen and write a tasteful letter to a Google exec. that is in charge with Customer Relations and/or Product Marketing and explain your dis-satisfaction. Don't expect a replacement unit to come to your door next day, but I've found that the "Old fashioned" way of communicating with a company is sometimes the quickest way to get heard. It can at least get your foot in the door.
Good luck.
I had a similar issue. Wasn't happy with first Nexus 7 and got an RMA. The second one arrives and it's even worse.
I called Google asking if I can RMA the second one and keep the first while I wait for the third. The rep says no. But minutes after hanging up with her I got a new RMA number that included the serial number of my second Nexus 7. I clicked the link to request the replacement, like I did the first time. Boxed up the second Nexus 7 and shipped it back.
I got the third Nexus 7 today, still have my first.
Sadly however, I can not ****ing believe it, but the third is even worse than the second. Google and ASUS must be playing some practical joke on me or something. So at this point I shipping both tablets back. Between my iPad 3 and Galaxy Nexus, I didn't need the Nexus 7 that damn bad anyway. Just disappointing that ASUS's quality is such a nightmare that I could get 3 tablets and they all have defects.
So to understand the OP.
#1. Buy new Nexus 7 from Google directly its defective
#2. Get new Nexus 7 directly from Google, its defective but worse.
#3. Google tells you to call ASUS for repairs pay for shipping to ASUS yourself.
#4. Finally give up want to return second worse Nexus 7 back to Google for refund rep in India (I am guessing) says its beyond their scope. Has to wait days for a Specialist to grant their holy permission to I am hoping your return for full refund the Nexus 7 while you can.
All while waiting days if not weeks
Note to self from now on Buy Apple, from Apple store if defective, return to Apple store, walk out with new one.
Just so happens I am very happy with my Nexus 7, but had I experienced a fraction of the problems I would have been out a while ago.
Ravynmagi said:
I had a similar issue. Wasn't happy with first Nexus 7 and got an RMA. The second one arrives and it's even worse.
I called Google asking if I can RMA the second one and keep the first while I wait for the third. The rep says no. But minutes after hanging up with her I got a new RMA number that included the serial number of my second Nexus 7. I clicked the link to request the replacement, like I did the first time. Boxed up the second Nexus 7 and shipped it back.
I got the third Nexus 7 today, still have my first.
Sadly however, I can not ****ing believe it, but the third is even worse than the second. Google and ASUS must be playing some practical joke on me or something. So at this point I shipping both tablets back. Between my iPad 3 and Galaxy Nexus, I didn't need the Nexus 7 that damn bad anyway. Just disappointing that ASUS's quality is such a nightmare that I could get 3 tablets and they all have defects.
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Seriously, I mean there's a difference between first batch quirks and units falling apart being shipped out. I mean, thankfully neither of my units had screen lift or dead touch zones, but any of these problems are things that never should make it through Quality Control regardless.
And while I am very disillusioned with Google at the moment, I still place most of the blame on Asus. For now...
IceColdKila said:
So to understand the OP.
#1. Buy new Nexus 7 from Google directly its defective
#2. Get new Nexus 7 directly from Google, its defective but worse.
#3. Google tells you to call ASUS for repairs pay for shipping to ASUS yourself.
#4. Finally give up want to return second worse Nexus 7 back to Google for refund rep in India (I am guessing) says its beyond their scope. Has to wait days for a Specialist to grant their holy permission to I am hoping your return for full refund the Nexus 7 while you can.
All while waiting days if not weeks
Note to self from now on Buy Apple, from Apple store if defective, return to Apple store, walk out with new one.
Just so happens I am very happy with my Nexus 7, but had I experienced a fraction of the problems I would have been out a while ago.
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Buying Apple is just a mistake in itself.:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
Well I just got an 8gb yesterday no issues with flicker but once in while an app might force close or I can't tap n the screen have to hit home button or power to unlock and go back. But everything else seems perfect.
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Just so happens I am very happy with my Nexus 7
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Judging by the dozen posts you've made on here so far, I'd like to see what you'd have to say if you weren't "very happy".
So how can people on a developer forum...who have no connection to Google or Asus, help you? What would you like this community to do for you?
IceColdKila said:
So to understand the OP.
#1. Buy new Nexus 7 from Google directly its defective
#2. Get new Nexus 7 directly from Google, its defective but worse.
#3. Google tells you to call ASUS for repairs pay for shipping to ASUS yourself.
#4. Finally give up want to return second worse Nexus 7 back to Google for refund rep in India (I am guessing) says its beyond their scope. Has to wait days for a Specialist to grant their holy permission to I am hoping your return for full refund the Nexus 7 while you can.
All while waiting days if not weeks
Note to self from now on Buy Apple, from Apple store if defective, return to Apple store, walk out with new one.
Just so happens I am very happy with my Nexus 7, but had I experienced a fraction of the problems I would have been out a while ago.
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I'm sorry I'm double posting but I just want to say something. Ummmm, you say that if he buys at apple and it seems to be defective he can just go straight to the apple store and tell them that his phone is defective and they will just give him a new 1 and he will walk out with a new 1 well couldn't he do that if with his nexus seven if he had bought his nexus 7 from target gamestop or office max I'm pretty sure he could you're making it out like any device bought from apple that if a defection comes up at anytime he can just take that device right back to apple and walk out with a new 1 i mean you're forgetting to mention the fact of the of how much apple charges for a simple defect let's just say his microphone bad well that cost my dad 117 dollars for him to walk out with a new iphone and it turns out that was just a simple software problem. Nexus 7 would be perfectly fine if he would have just bought it from any retailer instead of pre ordering from google play. It's not his fault of the device is faulty we all know now that asus is having some production problems with the nexus 7 but it seems that the ones but from retailers are pretty good. And if he buys on from a retailer thats not pretty good he can just walk right back to that retailer and switch it out for a good 1. Just like he could do at apple.
I'm sorry if there is some grammar problems here I used google voice to type out this entire thing because I just did not feel like typing and I love my nexus 7 on how it can understand me almost perfectly
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Buying Apple is just a mistake in itself.:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
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That might be what you think. . I have not had any problems with my Nexus 7 (thank god). No screen lift what so ever, no dead pixels (yet), and no screen "flicker" (I don't even know what people are calling a screen flicker). So far Im counting my blessings as my ASUS Tranformer Prime was an absolute nightmare. I do however, think that the display is awful. Its much better than my Prime, but it is out great at all. The colors are off, it ghosts for a few seconds after watching a video, Netflix looks awful, and text looks blurry. I've always been partial to display tech, but I was expecting much more out of this display. When you put it up next to the retina iPad it is no competition. I still love my 7 and wont be getting rid of it anytime soon and most of all I was expecting a lot out of a $200 tablet, but I can't help but imagine how much better this device would be if HTC or Samsung produced it (Motorola would be far worse than ASUS IMHO). Say what you will about Apple, but you get a far superior product especially in display tech (the best spec by far in my opinion). You also get much better customer service, better apps, and there is not a company that comes close to competing with Apple and Jony Ive in build quality in phones, tablets, or any tech period.
I love the Nexus 7. But a good quality display is the most important thing and it's a shame ASUS seems to have royally screwed this up with a lot of the Nexus 7s. My freaking Nook Color looks better (besides the lower DPI) and it was a cheap tablet too.
I would have rather seen the Nexus 7 go with a cheaper TI OMAP 4 processor instead of the Tegra 3 if it meant a better quality display.
I've decided to get a refund after 3 bad tablets and it kills me because this is the one and only Nexus tablet.
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I'm sorry I'm double posting but I just want to say something. Ummmm, you say that if he buys at apple and it seems to be defective he can just go straight to the apple store and tell them that his phone is defective and they will just give him a new 1 and he will walk out with a new 1 well couldn't he do that if with his nexus seven if he had bought his nexus 7 from target gamestop or office max I'm pretty sure he could you're making it out like any device bought from apple that if a defection comes up at anytime he can just take that device right back to apple and walk out with a new 1 i mean you're forgetting to mention the fact of the of how much apple charges for a simple defect let's just say his microphone bad well that cost my dad 117 dollars for him to walk out with a new iphone and it turns out that was just a simple software problem. Nexus 7 would be perfectly fine if he would have just bought it from any retailer instead of pre ordering from google play. It's not his fault of the device is faulty we all know now that asus is having some production problems with the nexus 7 but it seems that the ones but from retailers are pretty good. And if he buys on from a retailer thats not pretty good he can just walk right back to that retailer and switch it out for a good 1. Just like he could do at apple.
I'm sorry if there is some grammar problems here I used google voice to type out this entire thing because I just did not feel like typing and I love my nexus 7 on how it can understand me almost perfectly
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First of all if Apple charged your dad $117 dollars for an issue with software (or what turned out to be software) then there is def more to the story. Your dad must have been past the 1 yr warranty or had some very noticeable damage to the device (they could tell it had been dropped or misused doesn't have to be held together by duck tape or anything). Apple doesn't even ask questions if you are under warranty they simply take it back, check for water and physical damage, sometimes check for a resolution, check your warranty and replace your device. I've dealt with them for years and they have far and away the best customer service of any tech brand (maybe even any brand ever). I even had a 2008 Unibody Macbook and before I replaced it in September I had a major issue with the device not charging. It ended up being the logic board which is far and away the most expensive part to replace and I did not have Apple care at all. They could have pushed me out of the store as they didn't need to do anything. They ended up charging me $149 (which is just a little more than you claimed they charged your dad for an iPhone which is much cheaper in comparison) which was for parts and labor and within 2 days I had my laptop back. Not only that, but they replaced my battery with a new one, replaced my head phone jack as the rep stated it had moved slightly in over the years, and even warrantied the entire laptop for another year at no charge. Keep in mind this is almost 3 years later. That is customer care. Over the years I've constantly chosen Android over iOS as I love to tinker, am learning to code in college, like the open OS, and best of all it looks great and offers customizability. I dumped my iPhone 3Gs years ago and got me the Nexus One (best phone I've ever owned despite the many problems) and hadn't looked back until this year. I still have a Galaxy Nexus and just got the Nexus 7, but I dumped my Xoom and Prime for the retina iPad thinking I could deal with iOS for the much better display. I was blown away by how much better iOS has gotten. Now I use both and like things about both. I even got me an iPhone 4S which although a much smaller display and no LTE is still probably my favorite phone for many reasons. The display is almost 2 1/2 years old and still no Android OEM has caught up and the iPad will not be dethroned for a long time to come. I usually just read comments, but I just got done reading one of your ignorant de Apple posts and got done posting and saw this post. I don't know what your problem is with Apple, but I can almost bet my bank account you have never used or owned one of their products (outside of maybe an iPod as who hasn't). I don't see why so many people have to love either Android or iOS and absolutely detest the other. Either way you more than likely have never used the other OS more than a couple minutes and feel you need to defend your purchase to the death.
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Ravynmagi said:
I love the Nexus 7. But a good quality display is the most important thing and it's a shame ASUS seems to have royally screwed this up with a lot of the Nexus 7s. My freaking Nook Color looks better (besides the lower DPI) and it was a cheap tablet too.
I would have rather seen the Nexus 7 go with a cheaper TI OMAP 4 processor instead of the Tegra 3 if it meant a better quality display.
I've decided to get a refund after 3 bad tablets and it kills me because this is the one and only Nexus tablet.
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I feel exactly the same. I was pretty excited that Google/ASUS went with a 1280x800 on a 7 inch display as that puts the ppi right up there with my retina iPad. Boy have I been let down. I didnt expect a lot as my Prime always let me down on the display front, but they really cheaped out on the display on the 7. It is not even in the same ballpark as the retina iPad.
I feel bad that you have so many issues with yours as I dont have any problems except just the quality of the display. Oh well i bought it as a glorified ereader and love the 7 inch form factor, but my usage from the first week has severely dropped and Ive gone back to my iPad and even my iPhone as I just cant get over the display. Some or holding out for a software fix, but Im not crossing my fingers as I think it was just poor decisons on the overall quality of products. I can say one thing tho despite the issues I have with it it was well worth $200 and it is still far and away the best Android tablet out and I dont see that changing until maybe the higher res Samsung that is rumored. Even then it will be held back by Touchwiz software and never be updated and I wont get me another Android device period unless it is Nexus branded and it runs pure Google.
Does your screen flicker even if you turn auto brightness off?
ExploreMN said:
So how can people on a developer forum...who have no connection to Google or Asus, help you? What would you like this community to do for you?
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Nothing, I'm just sharing my story. I don't recall asking for help anywhere on my post.
ceejay83 said:
Does your screen flicker even if you turn auto brightness off?
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It flickers when brightness is below 30% and there is wifi activity, regardless of autobrightness. The rep who accepted my original RMA said this was a known "shielding issue" with some units.
angermeans said:
First of all if Apple charged your dad $117 dollars for an issue with software (or what turned out to be software) then there is def more to the story. Your dad must have been past the 1 yr warranty or had some very noticeable damage to the device (they could tell it had been dropped or misused doesn't have to be held together by duck tape or anything). Apple doesn't even ask questions if you are under warranty they simply take it back, check for water and physical damage, sometimes check for a resolution, check your warranty and replace your device. I've dealt with them for years and they have far and away the best customer service of any tech brand (maybe even any brand ever). I even had a 2008 Unibody Macbook and before I replaced it in September I had a major issue with the device not charging. It ended up being the logic board which is far and away the most expensive part to replace and I did not have Apple care at all. They could have pushed me out of the store as they didn't need to do anything. They ended up charging me $149 (which is just a little more than you claimed they charged your dad for an iPhone which is much cheaper in comparison) which was for parts and labor and within 2 days I had my laptop back. Not only that, but they replaced my battery with a new one, replaced my head phone jack as the rep stated it had moved slightly in over the years, and even warrantied the entire laptop for another year at no charge. Keep in mind this is almost 3 years later. That is customer care. Over the years I've constantly chosen Android over iOS as I love to tinker, am learning to code in college, like the open OS, and best of all it looks great and offers customizability. I dumped my iPhone 3Gs years ago and got me the Nexus One (best phone I've ever owned despite the many problems) and hadn't looked back until this year. I still have a Galaxy Nexus and just got the Nexus 7, but I dumped my Xoom and Prime for the retina iPad thinking I could deal with iOS for the much better display. I was blown away by how much better iOS has gotten. Now I use both and like things about both. I even got me an iPhone 4S which although a much smaller display and no LTE is still probably my favorite phone for many reasons. The display is almost 2 1/2 years old and still no Android OEM has caught up and the iPad will not be dethroned for a long time to come. I usually just read comments, but I just got done reading one of your ignorant de Apple posts and got done posting and saw this post. I don't know what your problem is with Apple, but I can almost bet my bank account you have never used or owned one of their products (outside of maybe an iPod as who hasn't). I don't see why so many people have to love either Android or iOS and absolutely detest the other. Either way you more than likely have never used the other OS more than a couple minutes and feel you need to defend your purchase to the death.
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You are 100% wrong. I had an iPhone for quite a long time, and I liked it, until I realized how closed sourced it was. So I got an ascend from cricket. Sure it was slow and laggy as hell, but I could modify it to make it a bit better. And when my dads mic went out, (nothing else was wrong with the phone it was a beautiful looking iPhone.) And apple charged him all that money just because of the work they had to do. It pissed me off. There are many reasons why I hate apple. Such as there relentless no support of flash, and the fact of how they constantly release a "new" iPhone that is the EXACT same body build as the last one just with a few different components inside. Talk about creativity. I mean do they even listen to their customers??? Everyone was complaining about how the idea of raised glass on the front, and strong plastic on the back was a bad idea for durability, but did they listen? Hell no, they were just like "Hey look its the new, revolutionary iPhone 4.......S!!!!" Holy crap! Its so revolutionary, it has a dual core processor, oh wait, that was done a long time ago, well it has an 8 megapixel camera, oh wait, that was done in 2008, well this thing sucks....
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AFAinHD said:
You are 100% wrong. I had an iPhone for quite a long time, and I liked it, until I realized how closed sourced it was. So I got an ascend from cricket. Sure it was slow and laggy as hell, but I could modify it to make it a bit better. And when my dads mic went out, (nothing else was wrong with the phone it was a beautiful looking iPhone.) And apple charged him all that money just because of the work they had to do. It pissed me off. There are many reasons why I hate apple. Such as there relentless no support of flash, and the fact of how they constantly release a "new" iPhone that is the EXACT same body build as the last one just with a few different components inside. Talk about creativity. I mean do they even listen to their customers??? Everyone was complaining about how the idea of raised glass on the front, and strong plastic on the back was a bad idea for durability, but did they listen? Hell no, they were just like "Hey look its the new, revolutionary iPhone 4.......S!!!!" Holy crap! Its so revolutionary, it has a dual core processor, oh wait, that was done a long time ago, well it has an 8 megapixel camera, oh wait, that was done in 2008, well this thing sucks....
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I agree with you about how crappy and overrated the iPhone is but, (this is gonna kill me to defend Apple) the person you're calling 100% wrong sure isn't if the phone was under warranty. They would not have charged $117. I know several people that had issues with their devices. They just walked into an Apple Store, and walked out with a brand new one. Recently, my sister's 7 month old iPad had a broken power button. She just took it the store, they loaded all her data on to a new one, and she left with a brand new device.
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just lou said:
I agree with you about how crappy and overrated the iPhone is but, (this is gonna kill me to defend Apple) the person you're calling 100% wrong sure isn't if the phone was under warranty. They would not have charged $117. I know several people that had issues with their devices. They just walked into an Apple Store, and walked out with a brand new one. Recently, my sister's 7 month old iPad had a broken power button. She just took it the store, they loaded all her data on to a new one, and she left with a brand new device.
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No I meant he was wrong about me never have have using an apple device.
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Update! No email all week, so I got impatient and called a rep. Explained my situation, stressed the fact that I need this thing to take notes and classes start in about two weeks for me, so I can't afford to have a conversation by email that takes days per reply. Finally he offered to either RMA the replacement, or wait about two weeks for a full refund after a specialist reviews my case. I figured I'd try my luck (third time's the charm?) and go with another replacement. :laugh:
That sure beats the heck out of paying for shipping and waiting two weeks for Asus to repair/replace my tablet! The rep also said if, for some reason, the third unit is also defective, that a refund would pretty much be guaranteed due to the extreme circumstances. Certainly have a much better feeling about the situation right now, since I'm not just being told I'm someone else's problem or to wait for days to get an update on the situation by email.
There's just no good hardware makers for android out there this will probley be my last android tablet period to people who say they rather have Samsung HTC build it for what? So they can charge 600 for a pos that creaks and falling apart and no updates I'm really starting to understand why people buy apple I'm just to OCD for android I've had many android phones all of them a pos android is the poor folk apple
Until Google makes there own stuff like apple screw them I won't be fooled anymore regardless how boring iOS is
To the people who bought 500+ android tablet you got ripped
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There's a rumor on french websites about LG not very happy about the success of the N4, for various reasons:
- Not enough profit per phone and market breaker, LG set a new price standard which every high end phones can't compete, including LG Optimus G, and not so enjoyable hypothesis for future smartphones sales and profits.
- Hence its limitation for very few countries when it can easily be sold in every national Play Store with scheduled launches and good will.
It's a flagship not destined to be massively sold, just a flag.
- Carriers/Hardware suppliers/Competition (legal threats) pressure?
What do you think ?
Wooven said:
There's a rumor on french websites about LG not very happy about the success of the N4, for various reasons:
- Not enough profit per phone and market breaker, LG set a new price standard which every high end phones can't compete, including LG Optimus G, and not so enjoyable hypothesis for future smartphones sales and profits.
- Hence its limitation for very few countries when it can easily be sold in every national Play Store with scheduled launches and good will.
It's a flagship not destined to be massively sold, just a flag.
- Carriers/Hardware suppliers/Competition (legal threats) pressure?
What do you think ?
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I think im hungry and need to eat lunch.
N4 is a chance for LG to show they can do high end and quality. How they were convinced to have this selling beside the optimus g but at half the price I doubt we'll ever know.
Besides that, obviously nobody but those looking to get one are happy about it. Given that this is only a win for consumers, wouldn't surprise me to see LG give poor stock, although it may not be up to them and already be in a big contract.
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It doesn't matter whether LG is happy or not; this is the course that the Illuminati mapped out for mankind after world leaders made contact with extraterrestrial intelligences shortly after WWII. Through the United Nations, which is really a puppet regime of the Illuminati designed to prepare us for contact with advanced alien lifeforms and technology, they ensure that this kind of high-end tech will slowly but steadily become cheaper so that we all become so used to having it be an integral part of our lives until we accept the idea of it being integrated biologically and the aliens can use it to turn us into mindless, cybernetic slaves.
Now that is a conspiracy theory, my friend.
I LOLd.
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It doesn't matter whether LG is happy or not; this is the course that the Illuminati mapped out for mankind after world leaders made contact with extraterrestrial intelligences shortly after WWII. Through the United Nations, which is really a puppet regime of the Illuminati designed to prepare us for contact with advanced alien lifeforms and technology, they ensure that this kind of high-end tech will slowly but steadily become cheaper so that we all become so used to having it be an integral part of our lives until we accept the idea of it being integrated biologically and the aliens can use it to turn us into mindless, cybernetic slaves.
Now that is a conspiracy theory, my friend.
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What?
I would have never considered a LG phone if it wasn't for this Nexus.
They are proving that they can build decent phones(hopefully). This will open them up to a lot of people like me who never took them seriously.
jmejiaa said:
I would have never considered a LG phone if it wasn't for this Nexus.
They are proving that they can build decent phones(hopefully). This will open them up to a lot of people like me who never took them seriously.
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The Nexus 4 only came to be because Google guided/forced them to make it how THEY wanted it done.
If you want to see LG's industrial design/interface go look at the Optimus G and the gazillion other LG phones which didn't sell well (In the U.S. at least).
The only thing the Nexus 4 proves is that Google can turn a phone all about the specs into something that actually looks good and has decent specs.
jmejiaa said:
I would have never considered a LG phone if it wasn't for this Nexus.
They are proving that they can build decent phones(hopefully). This will open them up to a lot of people like me who never took them seriously.
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This is what it really boils down to, I think. LG is a substantially smaller player in the smartphone game (at least in the States), and designing the flagship Android phone for Google will only help them to establish a better name for themselves in the U.S. market. Whatever loss or minimal profit there is to be had with the Nexus 4, the key is that people who might never have even considered an LG phone before are now clamoring for one. Who knows? If it's a great phone, I might become an LG fan.
Is it time for a mandatory IQ test before posting?
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The Nexus 4 only came to be because Google guided/forced them to make it how THEY wanted it done.
If you want to see LG's industrial design/interface go look at the Optimus G and the gazillion other LG phones which didn't sell well (In the U.S. at least).
The only thing the Nexus 4 proves is that Google can turn a phone all about the specs into something that actually looks good and has decent specs.
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Not really, the optimus G has been getting great reviews as well, but I would have never considered it.
Most likely the Nexus came to be because they came at google with the best bid and Google took them up on the bid. If samsung would have given them a better offer I'm sure they would have taken it.
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Most likely the Nexus came to be because they came at google with the best bid and Google took them up on the bid. If samsung would have given them a better offer I'm sure they would have taken it.
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Yes that is exactly how the nexus phone happened
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There's a rumor on french websites about LG not very happy about the success of the N4, for various reasons:
- Not enough profit per phone and market breaker, LG set a new price standard which every high end phones can't compete, including LG Optimus G, and not so enjoyable hypothesis for future smartphones sales and profits.
- Hence its limitation for very few countries when it can easily be sold in every national Play Store with scheduled launches and good will.
It's a flagship not destined to be massively sold, just a flag.
- Carriers/Hardware suppliers/Competition (legal threats) pressure?
What do you think ?
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I think you need something better than Babelfish.
I am not sure what you are saying.
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...they ensure that this kind of high-end tech will slowly but steadily become cheaper...
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Krugman refers to this as the Tchotchke Economy. It's been forced upon us by the elite, the so called "anointed ones".. it goes deep, too: prime ministers, Hollywood, the heads of academia, bankers. Only a select few. Could it be when you have all the power and all the money and all the lands and all the art, you have to do something new, you have to provide cheap cellphones to geeks just to spite LG?
crachel said:
Krugman refers to this as the Tchotchke Economy. It's been forced upon us by the elite, the so called "anointed ones".. it goes deep, too: prime ministers, Hollywood, the heads of academia, bankers. Only a select few. Could it be when you have all the power and all the money and all the lands and all the art, you have to do something new, you have to provide cheap cellphones to geeks just to spite LG?
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It was Krugman too who insisted that an alien invasion would be the best thing to happen to the global economy:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/19/paul-krugman-alien-invasion_n_1609805.html
I think that we've made the final connection; the aliens are amongst us and the war of the worlds is about to begin. The catalyst: Nexus 4.
Just hypothetical questions....
If you are Samsung, how would you compete versus N4 given the very low price?
Don't you think the Android market is now less attractive for you?
Suddenly, you are now forced to come low price products...
Suddenly, you now cannot have more profits...
What's your take on this?
If N4 is being sold in the street store, with this quality and the same low price as Play Store... Who would buy SGS3? Who would buy LG OG?...
Suddenly, all other high end Android becoming unattractive... Don't you think?
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Just hypothetical questions....
If you are Samsung, how would you compete versus N4 given the very low price?
Don't you think the Android market is now less attractive for you?
Suddenly, you are now forced to come low price products...
Suddenly, you now cannot have more profits...
What's your take on this?
If N4 is being sold in the street store, with this quality and the same low price as Play Store... Who would buy SGS3? Who would buy LG OG?...
Suddenly, all other high end Android becoming unattractive... Don't you think?
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I think Samsung has built a fan base, similar to Apple. I can't stand whenever people talk about Android, it's all Samsung.
So I'm not worried about them not able to compete.
I also have a conspiracy that my neighbors upstairs and downstairs have sex at the same time just to annoy me.
Very relevant.
richteralan said:
I think Samsung has built a fan base, similar to Apple. I can't stand whenever people talk about Android, it's all Samsung.
So I'm not worried about them not able to compete.
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They are (1) not nearly as cultish and (2) despite what you may think, they're probably more devoted to software than the hardware. I think the immense demand for the N4 speaks volumes. Price matters, and there is no other phone that comes even remotely close at this price.
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Seriously? If you didn't know about all of this you're blind
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I have a theory as to why the Nexus 4 is out of stock, and for such a long time. This may or may not have been mentioned before (probably has) but I just wish to discuss it. Remember, this is purely speculation.
The reason LG has only made around 400,000 handsets and starved production was due to their own flagship, the LG Optimus G. Every single thing about this phone, is IDENTICAL to the Nexus 4, besides the fact the N4 is rocking stock stock android and the aesthetics are slightly different. The N4 has an advantage among the developer community with it being able to be torn apart and tweaked and tinkered with, unlike the OG which LG is still being a little b____ about the bootloader on many of their recent phones.
The 16GB LG Optimus G is $800 here in Australia, and the 16GB Nexus 4 is $400. You do the math.
I don't know if LG's actuaries are idiots or something, but they would have known about the guaranteed success of the next Nexus device, going on the sales figures of all the other devices. LG thought that making a tiny amount of profit on every Nexus device and in turn increasing their companies reputation in the mobile business, was worse than not making ANY profit on their CRAPBOX 3000 (LG Optimus G). I can see where they are coming from, as they don't want their spectacular flagship to be left in the dust with full stock, but zero sales so basically I think they were just chucking a cry or something.
SO DON'T HATE ON GOOGLE FOR THE LACK OF NEXUS'
What you can hate Google for, is choosing LG in the first place. Yeah, they may of felt generous and were trying to support them but at the cost of their own company getting hated? Why didn't they just buy LG like they did with Motorola, and that would be the end of it? When I heard of the new Nexus Device, I celebrating because for some reason I thought they were going to choose HTC for production (who knows why). Nek minnit, they choose some struggling company that either can't or won't keep up with production.
This may of looked like a run-out-of-the-mill rant, but this was some, high-quality, researched ranting skills to pay the bills.
Discuss.
^ not sure what you meant by high quality research as I don't see any evidence, references and all I can see is pure speculations that have been floating around in this forum since the day problems with stock started.
Do share some of your research details with us to base your ideas that has some concrete evidence of what you are assuming I'd happening and I'll gladly click thanks button under your name
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^ not sure what you meant by high quality research as I don't see any evidence, references and all I can see is pure speculations that have been floating around in this forum since the day problems with stock started.
Do share some of your research details with us to base your ideas that has some concrete evidence of what you are assuming I'd happening and I'll gladly click thanks button under your name
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Yeah he did say it was purely speculation. Whatever the reason, the lack of stocks is simply annoying.
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I fail to see how you guys can always come up with such gossip.
Google has made contracts with LG and they are producing the amount Google demanded.
Whether it was Google ordering just a tiny amount of phones, or LG can't keep up with production, due to manufacturing errors or anything else, we will never know.
Also, LG is not a bad hardware manufacturer. They do have the capability to spit out hundreds of thousand devices a month, and they've proven that they can.
For your info: devices produced in October: 75k
Devices produced in December: 400k
As you can see, they can definitely keep up with the demand, it's probably just Google ordering only tiny amounts of it.
A contract breach, as in simply not delivering the amount of phones Google demanded, would have legal consequences for them, so I guess they will be thinking twice before hampering the production.
Cheers.
Lg has good hardware? Hmmmm...i don't know. Have you hold Lg L9 or L7, its a pure piece of ****. Quality zero. Maybe they build good displays and parts, but housing of every device is ****y. TVs also.
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I fail to see how you guys can always come up with such gossip.
Google has made contracts with LG and they are producing the amount Google demanded.
Whether it was Google ordering just a tiny amount of phones, or LG can't keep up with production, due to manufacturing errors or anything else, we will never know.
Also, LG is not a bad hardware manufacturer. They do have the capability to spit out hundreds of thousand devices a month, and they've proven that they can.
For your info: devices produced in October: 75k
Devices produced in December: 400k
As you can see, they can definitely keep up with the demand, it's probably just Google ordering only tiny amounts of it.
A contract breach, as in simply not delivering the amount of phones Google demanded, would have legal consequences for them, so I guess they will be thinking twice before hampering the production.
Cheers.
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Lol, do you think "hundreds of thousands of devices a month" is anywhere near enough for a $600 phone priced at $350? Try several millions a month.
Oh and those production numbers were just speculation (albeit a logical one). No one knows the exact numbers.
Why does everyone blame LG? Is there a valid excuse for Samsung taking forever to restock the Nexus 10?
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Good point. Google is just building the hype. If they wanted to really earn money on N4 they would behave differently.
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Lol, do you think "hundreds of thousands of devices a month" is anywhere near enough for a $600 phone priced at $350? Try several millions a month.
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Yes, 400k might not be enough. But don't expect the nexus to sell like the iPhone or a Samsung galaxy. There simply is no marketing at all for the nexus. Companies like Apple and Samsung invest millions every year into marketing. Have you ever seen a nexus 4 ad other than on YouTube?
Probably not. The nexus' demographic is mostly tech enthusiasts.
I don't think LG is intentionally halting the manufacturing process, i mean they would be really stupid to do so, some of of you seem to forget that one of the biggests ways to sell is having quantity over price, if LG sells 5 million Nexus 4 that would make them a ton more money than selling 1 million Optimus G :laugh: , also it doesn't hurt that a lot more people are talking good stuff (regarding quality) about them, that could never hurt a company .
What LG did on purpose (in my opinion) was refusing to provide a 32 gb version of the phone , so if people want more storage (and LTE) they should buy the Optimus G
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Lg has good hardware? Hmmmm...i don't know. Have you hold Lg L9 or L7, its a pure piece of ****. Quality zero. Maybe they build good displays and parts, but housing of every device is ****y. TVs also.
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I had a 2012 47" LG HDTV and the housing was actually pretty nice. They used some type of real brushed metal for the housing instead plastic made to look like brushed metal like other manufacturers. I ended up returning it for a bigger TV though.
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hundreder said:
Lg has good hardware? Hmmmm...i don't know. Have you hold Lg L9 or L7, its a pure piece of ****. Quality zero. Maybe they build good displays and parts, but housing of every device is ****y. TVs also.
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I disagree. I had a g2x and it was awesome except for the software. When is the last time you had a phone with HDMI out??? G2x had it, also was the first device with dual core.
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Yes, 400k might not be enough. But don't expect the nexus to sell like the iPhone or a Samsung galaxy. There simply is no marketing at all for the nexus. Companies like Apple and Samsung invest millions every year into marketing. Have you ever seen a nexus 4 ad other than on YouTube?
Probably not. The nexus' demographic is mostly tech enthusiasts.
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Actually I've seen nexus 4, 7 and Samsung chromebook adverts in newspapers and on advertising boards on the London underground. Haven't seen any marketing for the nexus 10 though.
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Blame Google because they are paying LG and someone really messed up in projecting how many to produce.
I mean last time it was Verizon holding it back so Google had to plan better this time.
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Yes, 400k might not be enough. But don't expect the nexus to sell like the iPhone or a Samsung galaxy. There simply is no marketing at all for the nexus. Companies like Apple and Samsung invest millions every year into marketing. Have you ever seen a nexus 4 ad other than on YouTube?
Probably not. The nexus' demographic is mostly tech enthusiasts.
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I'm sorry but this post is complete and utter rubbish. I have seen more adverts on telly for nexus 4 and nexus 7 than I have Samsung devices in the last month, so you cannot claim that there is no marketing at all. Get your facts straight.
Add to that the nexus adverts had me thinking it was an advert for an iPad, and Google are pretty bloody clever with their advertising.
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I'm sorry but this post is complete and utter rubbish. I have seen more adverts on telly for nexus 4 and nexus 7 than I have Samsung devices in the last month, so you cannot claim that there is no marketing at all. Get your facts straight.
Add to that the nexus adverts had me thinking it was an advert for an iPad, and Google are pretty bloody clever with their advertising.
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I can only speak for my country, but advertising for the nexus 4 is nonexistent here.
Hell, the only nexus ad I've ever seen was for the nexus s a few years ago. On the other hand, there are Samsung and Apple ads multiple times a day.
And I know that this is the case for a lot of countries.
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I'm sorry but this post is complete and utter rubbish. I have seen more adverts on telly for nexus 4 and nexus 7 than I have Samsung devices in the last month, so you cannot claim that there is no marketing at all. Get your facts straight.
Add to that the nexus adverts had me thinking it was an advert for an iPad, and Google are pretty bloody clever with their advertising.
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Which country?
rogerski1 said:
I disagree. I had a g2x and it was awesome except for the software. When is the last time you had a phone with HDMI out??? G2x had it, also was the first device with dual core.
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Yeah, but the O2X also doesn't have enough RAM, the proportions are a bit off and the spontaneous shut downs were never fully fixed. I have owned one for the past year and a half and wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
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"telly" suggest the UK or somewhere there which makes sense as someone else says the "Tube" and such which is London's subway .
In the USA however, there is 0 ads on TV for the Nexus 4, there are some for the Nexus 7 but NEVER has there been one for the Nexus 4 or 10. Not even in the newspaper other than reviews and such mentioning it. Maybe that's why they don't however as they've already got tons of (positive) press here. In general, you advertise to get your name out there and build brand, once you are out there and everyone knows your name you tend to save those ad dollars.
Ugh I am tired of lg or Google not restocking the devices. I got nexus 7 again wish we had nexus 4 in stock...I have money but when are they ever going to bring out. I need unlock phone , Verizon is charging me arm and leg.. I don't want to overpaid amazon offering prices.
add119 said:
Ugh I am tired of lg or Google not restocking the devices. I got nexus 7 again wish we had nexus 4 in stock...I have money but when are they ever going to bring out. I need unlock phone , Verizon is charging me arm and leg.. I don't want to overpaid amazon offering prices.
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Because Google predicted X devices will be sold and ordered them from LG. However X+c devices were ordered due to high demand.
Once deficit of c number of devices is fulfilled and LG ramps up its production in Feb we'll see Play Store taking orders again.
It's worth the wait. You won't find an unlocked device with this kind of hardware so cheap anywhere else.
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I really hope it's soon, I've had the money for it burning a hole in my account just waiting for the in stock notice..... I want this phone so bad.
I heard mid February but will they actually have it in stock for new orders in mid February or will they just be finishing all the existing orders?
I'm going crazy seeing all the support for this phone and then going back to the forum for my phone and seeing how scarce updates are
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An Executive from LG stated in an article, that has been talked about again and again in this and many other forums, that google didn't anticipate just how high the demand for this phone was going to be. LG has ramped up production and is hopefully going to be able to meet the demand by i think it was the middle of February at the latest.
I'm sure you've see and or read the article im referring to. If not, you might want to take a look at it. Here's one version of the article, there are many out there.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/21/3899550/lg-france-says-nexus-4-production-ramping-up
In the article, the Exec from LG states that demand will be met by February so im sur that means all existing orders will be filled as well as all new ones that are about to come in.
and to think ive had my nexus 4 sitting in its box while I use another phone. sorry dude, google will start allowing purchases in due time.
atulalvenkar said:
Because Google predicted X devices will be sold and ordered them from LG. However X+c devices were ordered due to high demand.
Once deficit of c number of devices is fulfilled and LG ramps up its production in Feb we'll see Play Store taking orders again.
It's worth the wait. You won't find an unlocked device with this kind of hardware so cheap anywhere else.
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Technically they have ramped up --- they're making more than 4x the number of devices per month compared to what they were in November. That's a seriously impressive ramp up, and I'll be surprised if they can pull much higher than that.
Please use the existing shipping threads as we don't need more threads complaining about the same thing.
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Why is the nexus always called google nexus by users. I see every time a nexus come out a diffrent company is on the back of it. Samsung, lg and so on now its motorolla, why is that how do it work im just kinda confused about this
I guess Google wants to show that they don't favor certain manufacturers so they give each and anyone of them who seem eligible, the chance to build a nexus.
Every year Google has manufacturers design a phone to show off the latest in tech and to be a base platform for androids latest update. The nexus line is just Google's showcase line it is made by whoever Google thinks will provide a good piece of hardware
Last year it was maid by LG...this year Motorola.
tyronekndrck said:
Why is the nexus always called google nexus by users. I see every time a nexus come out a diffrent company is on the back of it. Samsung, lg and so on now its motorolla, why is that how do it work im just kinda confused about this
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Google manages the design, development, marketing, and support of these devices, but some development and all manufacturing are carried out by partnering original equipment manufacturers (OEMs).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Nexus
acheney1990 said:
Last year it was maid by LG...this year Motorola.
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Last two years by LG!