Hi, my mind keep tell me to root but I don't want and I want to ask you all?? If I root on my Sony xperia z what thing good and what thing bad pls comment and tell me thanks I will love you hear you comment and see thanks
Sorry for my bad english
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2286473
DickyOhYK said:
Hi, my mind keep tell me to root but I don't want and I want to ask you all?? If I root on my Sony xperia z what thing good and what thing bad pls comment and tell me thanks I will love you hear you comment and see thanks
Sorry for my bad english
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There's no 'bad' to rooting. You just get root permissions, which in turn gives to access to the root directory, which also means apps that modify files in the root directory can run, this can add functionality to the phone.
If you don't have good reasons to root, don't do it. You'll know if you really need root or not.
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jonnycarter said:
There's no 'bad' to rooting. You just get root permissions, which in turn gives to access to the root directory, which also means apps that modify files in the root directory can run, this can add functionality to the phone.
If you don't have good reasons to root, don't do it. You'll know if you really need root or not.
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But if I unlock bootloader will lost the Sony software right?
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DickyOhYK said:
But if I unlock bootloader will lost the Sony software right?
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you can root without unlocking bootloader
and furthermore there are many tutorials and guides herecheck them and belive me you will find many answers
indycar said:
you can root without unlocking bootloader
and furthermore there are many tutorials and guides herecheck them and belive me you will find many answers
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Okay bro thanks and bro you have news about the root for .253 ?? I don't want to downgrade because I have no time because I at night work 12 hours then reach home very tired already you have any thing same like the .434 just download then put in the computer then just press start it will do everything for the phone???
Sorry for my bad english
Think of it as an upgrade. Rooting makes backing up your phone alot easier.
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shoomacca said:
Think of it as an upgrade. Rooting makes backing up your phone alot easier.
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Okay thanks hehe but I don't really back up everything lost redownload again and thanks telling me thank
Sorry for my bad english
Crazy about android but noob on making root or etc....
rooting will allow apps to run with elevated user permissions (god mode)
Some apps like adblockers requires root rights. Usually a switch user (su) command is used to elevate rights.
If any app is requesting root rights, a popup will appear and you can confirm root access. This can be set permanently or each time on request.
heres a bit long process for 253 root http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2287149
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Anybody got any advice on how to root my inc s ? Do I need to wait for somebody cleaverer than me to come up with a guide specifically for this phone, or could I just follow one of the guides for another HTC phone ?
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That actually depends on how brave are you you can test different rooting methods like Super One Click etc. but if you end up with a brick, then you are the only one responsible.
Yeh, not that brave yet, only had the phone for a day, think Ill wait a while
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I just tried to root my IncS by using the unrEVOked method, but got an error message saying 'vivo not supported at this time'. Hope the guys at unrEVOked will add support soon.
Slightly OT but as as the general section is quiet (early days) would any of you lucky Incredible S owners care to take a look and offer your comments on my post / questions HERE?
Thanks and apologies for the OT post.
Edit: Forget this - I now know the answer!
what is the price you got your Incredible S?
gudge said:
Yeh, not that brave yet, only had the phone for a day, think Ill wait a while
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When i had my phone for just half a day, i already tried to root it, with 2 difrent programs, did work though =(
Moved this to general
Currently there is no method of rooting, still busy with this one.
All previous exploits are out of the question, only temproot trough psneuter is useable. RageAgainstTheCage dont work.
Were (l0st.pr0phet and mainly scotty2) currently trying all we can to root this one, but HTC gives us a pretty hard time. And maybe there is no way of rooting... but that is something we will found out then.
See ya soon!
Good luck and thanks for the update.
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Just an update:
First of all: tnx scotty2 for all the work you do!
Second: no root yet. Were still figuring what can be done, most of the things that worked on other devices don't work, only the temp root works until now
timbo007up said:
Just an update:
First of all: tnx scotty2 for all the work you do!
Second: no root yet. Were still figuring what can be done, most of the things that worked on other devices don't work, only the temp root works until now
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How to do a temp root?
Psneuter exploit. It's in superoneclick.
You don't have write permission in the system partition because of the nand-lock. Still working on that.
So currently its kinda useless, except for debugging and that kinda stuff, apps like root explorer probably won't work.
Hi,
tomorrow comes my first android phone. I switched from iPhone 4S (FINALLY)
My question is shall I root my Xperia Z or not?
xPnoyStar said:
Hi,
tomorrow comes my first android phone. I switched from iPhone 4S (FINALLY)
My question is shall I root my Xperia Z or not?
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Do You need root?
If You like to delete some useless apps which You cannot delete without root acces or You wanna install apps which must have root access to be installed and used - than YES.
If You are not in need of those things - don't bother rooting.
dvd777 said:
Do You need root?
If You like to delete some useless apps which You cannot delete without root acces or You wanna install apps which must have root access to be installed and used - than YES.
If You are not in need of those things - don't bother rooting.
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Hehe. You again? xD
Ok thanks.
xPnoyStar said:
Hehe. You again? xD
Ok thanks.
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Yes, me again. I have patience and love to help people who find this stuff new and unexplored
PS root it
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Rooting allows you to unlock the full potential (at least 80%, Unlocking bootloader the other 20%) of the Xperia, stock sound is really quiet so even if you root and install puresound mod is worth it
dvd777 said:
Yes, me again. I have patience and love to help people who find this stuff new and unexplored
PS root it
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I use to be like that at first but I found out I was answering the same questions ALL the time but just phrased different, so i have now given up because people do not search before asking
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No one s born with a silver spoon.
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My phone is not rooted..And i dont want to root my phone..But i want to show as my phone is rooted for some apps..how to do this..any ideas??
r u serious bro ??? is it a joke or something??
its not possible bro..
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thanks
dark_phoenix said:
r u serious bro ??? is it a joke or something??
its not possible bro..
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I just want to know bro..
balajinaik123 said:
I just want to know bro..
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I don't think that's possible.. and why do you want to do that? If you're using Jellybean then Rooting it takes just about 2 to 3 minutes...
Yes Rooting does VOID your warranty but if you just flash the stock firmware or do a factory reset then it will remove Root access anyway...
So yeah you can "hide" your root access if you're rooted BUT you can't show that you're rooted if you don't root it in first place... :silly:
I think the OP does'nt even know what rooting is.
Sami Kabir said:
I don't think that's possible.. and why do you want to do that? If you're using Jellybean then Rooting it takes just about 2 to 3 minutes...
Yes Rooting does VOID your warranty but if you just flash the stock firmware or do a factory reset then it will remove Root access anyway...
So yeah you can "hide" your root access if you're rooted BUT you can't show that you're rooted if you don't root it in first place... :silly:
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So is there any way to hide root for some apps?
Sorry for bad english.
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Root Checker from Play
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AltamashAN said:
So is there any way to hide root for some apps?
Sorry for bad english.
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I don't think that totally possible.. But why would you want to hide your root access from some apps anyway?
You can do this then... Open the particular app you don't want your root access to be seen and when the Grant and Deny message appears from SuperSU, simply select "Deny" and "tick" remember my choice (or something similar).. this should prevent that app from getting root access
pawelarc said:
Root Checker from Play
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That is only used to make sure that a user has Root access - nothing more than that...
Sami Kabir said:
I don't think that totally possible.. But why would you want to hide your root access from some apps anyway?
You can do this then... Open the particular app you don't want your root access to be seen and when the Grant and Deny message appears from SuperSU, simply select "Deny" and "tick" remember my choice (or something similar).. this should prevent that app from getting root access
That is only used to make sure that a user has Root access - nothing more than that...
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There is a game named eternity warrior 2. I cant participate in its tornament because i have rooted phone.
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AltamashAN said:
There is a game named eternity warrior 2. I cant participate in its tornament because i have rooted phone.
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say "no" if the game ask you for root permission...
AltamashAN said:
There is a game named eternity warrior 2. I cant participate in its tornament because i have rooted phone.
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Using supersu you can temporarily unroot your phone..check the settings
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I just be stopped in this pic http://puu.sh/4oEBA.png
I don`t know why and I follow all the steps
I wait for a long time and I think it`s doesn`t work
I really feel sad so I pm and ask you
come on plz give me some help orz
My device : Xperia Z (10.3.1.A.2.67)
There is others which is same as me
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1886460&page=337
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Bin4ry's tool doesn't work for that firmware version.
Do this - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2386405
Follow the instructions carefully. It definitely works as I rooted the same firmware version with it myself.
If you have never used Flashtool before, here is a guide to setup drivers etc and flash - How to flash stock roms with Flashtool
Also, somebody may come in here and recommend that you use something called Kingo to root your phone. Personally, I don't trust it as there is no information on how it works or what it pushes to your phone, so keep that in mind.
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kingvortex said:
Bin4ry's tool doesn't work for that firmware version.
Do this - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2386405
Follow the instructions carefully. It definitely works as I rooted the same firmware version with it myself.
If you have never used Flashtool before, here is a guide to setup drivers etc and flash - How to flash stock roms with Flashtool
Also, somebody may come in here and recommend that you use something called Kingo to root your phone. Personally, I don't trust it as there is no information on how it works or what it pushes to your phone, so keep that in mind.
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Oh thx, bro
Maybe Bin4ry will publish new version of his tool very soon=] Hope that will be ture
louislee2815 said:
Oh thx, bro
Maybe Bin4ry will publish new version of his tool very soon=] Hope that will be ture
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I've used kingo a couple of times on my Z and a couple of other phones and it works flawlessly!!
kingvortex said:
Bin4ry's tool doesn't work for that firmware version.
Do this - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2386405
Follow the instructions carefully. It definitely works as I rooted the same firmware version with it myself.
If you have never used Flashtool before, here is a guide to setup drivers etc and flash - How to flash stock roms with Flashtool
Also, somebody may come in here and recommend that you use something called Kingo to root your phone. Personally, I don't trust it as there is no information on how it works or what it pushes to your phone, so keep that in mind.
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hello
I install the Flashtool and try to do it
When I flash the .423 rom , it told me to unplug the usb and power off.....then IT TOLD ME TO PRESS BACK BUTTON and connect usb
But Z don`t has back button -3-
Also
about the thread you give, I can see the pics in the post so that I don`t know what to do :crying:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2240614
Chronic2k13 said:
I've used kingo a couple of times on my Z and a couple of other phones and it works flawlessly!!
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but we don`t know how did kingo do the root
louislee2815 said:
but we don`t know how did kingo do the root
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Doesnt matter because you usually wipe and flash a rom after root. Then you definally sure that there is no mallware left
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I'm not sure how it does root but it seems to download scripts on the fly and my handset appears to be bloat free!! As I said,I don't have an issue with it at all!
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louislee2815 said:
hello
I install the Flashtool and try to do it
When I flash the .423 rom , it told me to unplug the usb and power off.....then IT TOLD ME TO PRESS BACK BUTTON and connect usb
But Z don`t has back button -3-
Also
about the thread you give, I can see the pics in the post so that I don`t know what to do :crying:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2240614
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Hold volume down and plug the USB cable in. The process is pretty simple, so it shouldn't matter that you cannot see the images in the post I linked to.
magikmichael said:
Doesnt matter because you usually wipe and flash a rom after root. Then you definally sure that there is no mallware left
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Erm, what? Not everybody roots in order to flash a custom rom. Some just want to remove bloat and run some root only apps.
Chronic2k13 said:
I'm not sure how it does root but it seems to download scripts on the fly and my handset appears to be bloat free!! As I said,I don't have an issue with it at all!
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Yep, you cannot see anything untoward, so it's completely fine!
I'm not saying that this Kingo app does anything bad, but do you think it would flash a notification toast up on screen saying "Please wait: Stealing your personal data" if it did?
I personally do not trust it and therefore will not recommend it to anybody over a method supplied by a trusted developer such as DooMLoRD, even if the process is one click and therefore foolproof.
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kingvortex said:
Hold volume down and plug the USB cable in. The process is pretty simple, so it shouldn't matter that you cannot see the images in the post I linked to.
Erm, what? Not everybody roots in order to flash a custom rom. Some just want to remove bloat and run some root only apps.
Yep, you cannot see anything untoward, so it's completely fine!
I'm not saying that this Kingo app does anything bad, but do you think it would flash a notification toast up on screen saying "Please wait: Stealing your personal data" if it did?
I personally do not trust it and therefore will not recommend it to anybody over a method supplied by a trusted developer such as DooMLoRD, even if the process is one click and therefore foolproof.
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Ok you are right. Some people only want to root and keep their files. Then it might be not so good to use kingo because nobody knows how it works.
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by the way , what do you think the quality of walkman in Xperia Z?
kingvortex said:
Hold volume down and plug the USB cable in. The process is pretty simple, so it shouldn't matter that you cannot see the images in the post I linked to.
Erm, what? Not everybody roots in order to flash a custom rom. Some just want to remove bloat and run some root only apps.
Yep, you cannot see anything untoward, so it's completely fine!
I'm not saying that this Kingo app does anything bad, but do you think it would flash a notification toast up on screen saying "Please wait: Stealing your personal data" if it did?
I personally do not trust it and therefore will not recommend it to anybody over a method supplied by a trusted developer such as DooMLoRD, even if the process is one click and therefore foolproof.
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will the Bravia engine gone after rooted?
No. Only unlocking the bootloader will disable DRM keys and Bravia engine.
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kingvortex said:
No. Only unlocking the bootloader will disable DRM keys and Bravia engine.
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thanks.
In fact, I want to root just because I want to use the music player " Poweramp " LOL
Why do you need root to use Poweramp? As far as I know it doesn't need it.
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kingvortex said:
Why do you need root to use Poweramp? As far as I know it doesn't need it.
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um....because Poweramp has better sound quality / effect?
That wasn't my question. Poweramp does not need root. So why do you want to root your phone?
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kingvortex said:
That wasn't my question. Poweramp does not need root. So why do you want to root your phone?
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You know the answer......
There is another method for people to use poweramp without buying the apps but you have to root first
Now I can`t do the one-click root, so I need to buy the poweramp apps
louislee2815 said:
You know the answer......
There is another method for people to use poweramp without buying the apps but you have to root first
Now I can`t do the one-click root, so I need to buy the poweramp apps
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I'm glad you're unable to root.
If I had known you wanted to pirate an app, I never would have helped you in the first place.
Thief.
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kingvortex said:
I'm glad you're unable to root.
If I had known you wanted to pirate an app, I never would have helped you in the first place.
Thief.
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....that`s a joke
I never do the things which like a chinese NOW
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I told the true, I need the Titanium backup but it need to root
Sorry for about "poweramp" that I think that will be funny, I have a credit card and I bought the unlocker a year ago.
Sorry for my joke
(In fact I did the behave which like chinese because I don`t have the credit card that time)
So what's up with Kingo ROOT Method? Has anyone got info on it? I used it and now it is deleted and the thread is closed. I'm a little concerned about my Xperia Z and my laptop. Does it or does it not install something bad on either one of the devices?
Nobody knows either way for sure.
What is known-
- Their website is registered anonymously.
- It appears to be hosted in the US.
- There is no geographical address given on the company website. Strange, given they state they are a limited company.
- The person representing them on these forums says they are from Canada.
- Their representative will not say how the tool works or what it does.
- The tool contacts a server in China when you run it.
Given the above, I personally do not trust it, but that's not to say there IS anything bad happening.
When he closed the thread, gangsterjoop asked to be contacted with details on what the tool was doing when it contacts the server, so we will have to see what happens if they do.
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As far as I'm aware, the reason the thread was closed has more to do with the app using the work of others without permission and not being GPL and Apache license compliant, rather than it installing something sinister on your device.
Really? Interesting.
If that's the case, then it's even more reason to not trust them, although gangsterjoop specifically said he didn't trust the tool and asked to be contacted about why the tool was contacting China in his post in the thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=46595305
He didn't mention open source licences at the time, so that's why I was unaware of that fact.
Edit: I see another thread regarding the tool also had the links removed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2473747
I'm guessing this was done because of the licencing issues mentioned.
All in all, this Kingo company/person seems to be highly untrustworthy to me, regardless of whether the tool is doing anything bad or not.
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Doomlord had a perfectly working exploit for our firmware , yet everyone is willing to use an unknown and IMO suspicious programme to root there phone....
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golfgtiedition30 said:
Doomlord had a perfectly working exploit for our firmware , yet everyone is willing to use an unknown and IMO suspicious programme to root there phone....
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Yes, I agree. I think it's mainly because most people that used it are too lazy to have to use more than one process to root their phone.
Flashing the required kernels and rooting my phone with DooMLoRD's method took literally 5 minutes, but that's too much effort for some, unfortunately.
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golfgtiedition30 said:
Doomlord had a perfectly working exploit for our firmware , yet everyone is willing to use an unknown and IMO suspicious programme to root there phone....
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Not true, I find Doomlords method way too complicated. I may be the biggest noob on xda here. For the kind of people like me who don't know jack **** about this kind of stuff it's really helpful, I probably would never have rooted my phone without the one click solution because it's too damn complicated. I'm really wondering if Doomlord is that good why hasn't HE made something like that? It's not because i'm lazy that I chose the one click root, it's because I was too afraid of doing something wrong with the other method.
Complicated?
1. Use simple tool to flash a provided kernel.
2. Root by double clicking a batch file.
3. Use simple tool to flash original kernel.
Honestly, if you cannot follow simple step-by-step instructions then you shouldn't be rooting your phone in the first place.
As for questioning DooMLoRD's ability because he hasn't created a one-click solution; why should he spend his free time doing so? Firstly, the method he provided already works just fine and secondly, this is a development based site, not a place to hold people's hands.
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What I find about kingo that it a unified unlocking tool my friends always come to me to root there mobile or install custom firmware or SIM unlock it some time pain in the ass to search for each way to root there mobile it's nice to see a one simple click to root any device ad I'm worried about the mobile data more than pc as I can sandbox the exe file . Hope you guys find out what it downloads
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I was running the Kingo app from a minimized virtualbox VM, and little snitch caught it trying to reach out to service.wmshua.com
kingo is the english translation of the wmshua app at wmshua.com.
wmshua.com is located in china and *their* DNS is not hidden.
I'm sorry I can't trust their app to root our phone. I never root my phone before. I tried doomlord root step by step. And it works. Its easy to use too.
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parfa10 said:
So what's up with Kingo ROOT Method? Has anyone got info on it? I used it and now it is deleted and the thread is closed. I'm a little concerned about my Xperia Z and my laptop. Does it or does it not install something bad on either one of the devices?
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All an end user like me can say is that it works on my Xperia J and in fact it is the only apps that manage to root my Xperia J.
ryanaslett said:
I was running the Kingo app from a minimized virtualbox VM, and little snitch caught it trying to reach out to service.wmshua.com
kingo is the english translation of the wmshua app at wmshua.com.
wmshua.com is located in china and *their* DNS is not hidden.
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So in essence, if you used kingo, you turned your phone into a Decepticon (you know, from the Transformers movies)? Good catch you guys. I was about to take the leap myself.
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ryanaslett said:
I was running the Kingo app from a minimized virtualbox VM, and little snitch caught it trying to reach out to service.wmshua.com
kingo is the english translation of the wmshua app at wmshua.com.
wmshua.com is located in china and *their* DNS is not hidden.
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Just being really curious.. how exactly did you catch this trying to reach out. Tools?
He said in his post. With Little Snitch.
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This tools help me to root many of my phones as well as my friends. So far no issue.
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nakTT said:
This tools help me to root many of my phones as well as my friends. So far no issue.
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No issue apart from allowing untrustworthy software full access to your phone, which then sent your device serials etc to a server in China for who knows what reason.
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kingvortex said:
No issue apart from allowing untrustworthy software full access to your phone, which then sent your device serials etc to a server in China for who knows what reason.
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+1.
If you're on any firmware version BELOWJB 4.3, cubeundcube method or binary's root method v33 works very well. Wonder why anyone would mess with a suspicious trash like kingoroot?
Dead Cookies leave no trails...
Really? What do I do for those phones already rooted. Any advice?
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Cookie Ninja said:
+1.
If you're on any firmware version BELOWJB 4.3, cubeundcube method or binary's root method v33 works very well. Wonder why anyone would mess with a suspicious trash like kingoroot?
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Perhaps because it is easy.
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I used kingo root tool for root my xperia z (4.1 & 4.2) and it's very very very easy way, let me say actually this tool is "the easiest". And nothing bad. Beside that i contact with them via facebook and they are very concerned about my problems.
Maybe they are look like suspicious. But i didn't see any bad things to not trust them.
p.s.: sorry for my "not enough" english
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