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State of Development :)

For those of you that have been around these parts for a while, you may remember the State of Development updates that good ol' Gsleon3 used to update us with. These came for us at a time when development for the Vivid seemed to be at a standstill, and for those of you that were here, you remember why. For those of you who don't, let me catch you up a little (and I apologize for the bad feelings that this may drum up, but I don't want anything to get out of control again). So grab a beer and a snack, this may be a long one
It was about April, and development for the Holiday was still in its infancy. There were a few good ROMs being released, and generally, it was a good place to be. Then accusations of stealing other's work, accusations of corrupt moderators, and all around child-like behavior started, and it became the downfall of the Holiday forum at XDA. ROM threads started closing. Then came the bickering. Then the Devs left. Then the users began to play the blame game, and the "let me try to whine my way to what I want" game. All the best devs left and opened up shop in their own little corners of the internet (and I can't blame them one bit), and development for the device was no longer centralized. There were/are still AWESOME ROMs available for this device, just not on XDA. This always made me a little sad. As painful of a place as XDA (or any internet forum for that matter) can be at times, there's sooooo much good information crammed into one site that it has always been my one-stop shop, but that wasn't true any longer. I settled in, I found a home, but I kept a close eye on what else was happening across the interweb's Holiday community. I liked to keep my eye on one project specifically, synergy's CM10 project, because who wouldn't want JellyBean, right?
Now, a little more information for those of you who weren't around.. The original CM10 thread was opened at another site in July, where the project started. Syn put a lot of time and effort into it, but in the end, found it to be not worth his time to continue on a project he didn't see possible to ever be finished (mainly due to the ATT in-call mic issue and video issues), and again, who can blame him? He abandoned the project at the beginning of August. This is where mg picked the project up, and continued it with a few fixes himself, before somehow we caught the attention of h8rift. h8 has been awesome - cleaning up our trees, getting things in their proper home, and powering through anything that gets in his way It's so great to have him around.
Myself, up until October, had only ever had experience with things like making boot animations, icons, editing .xmls in .apks, and some slight .smali edits. Thanks to mg's excellent guide and a crapton of Googling, I learned out how to compile/build cm from source. Then I thought, "I wonder if I could do the same for other JB flavors?" So guess what? I tried, and it worked. Every single question I had along the way (with the exception of a few Ubuntu and git specific questions), were answered by a thread here at XDA. Cool, right?
I am very excited to see new ROMage out for this device...as I'm sure anyone who was here through the "Great Holiday Wars of 2012" would agree, I was pretty sure what we had was all we were ever going to see. Which again, would have been OK, cause there are some great ROMs out there, but I've never been the kind of dude to settle in on the same ROM for too long - that's why I came to XDA in the first place. Now as I'm sure everyone can see, through collaboration, this project is making HUGE progress! I cannot thank mg and h8 enough for keeping it going. This brings me to my last point...
I encourage everyone to participate, and offer suggestions, and share information - that is, after all, what a developer's forum should be about. The wealth of knowledge that's available at XDA is out of this world, but sometimes hiding deep within the threads, filled by off-topic chatter and users who have way to huge a sense of entitlement. Please always keep in mind that the things you're getting here are free. Hours upon hours upon hours of work go into these projects, just to be shared for very little asked in return. Wait, we ask for something in return? Yes - READ, SEARCH, and SEARCH AGAIN before posting. Like I said, there's already a wealth of knowledge here that's incomparable to other Android forums on the web, but yes, sometimes it can be trying to find that information. But it's not impossible. Also - keep an eye on the issues list. There are bugs. There will probably always be bugs. And as long as there are, they will continue to be squished to the best of our ability (though h8's ability is far beyond mine, so let's especially be nice to him )
In closing - PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not let this place become what it was before. So far I feel like the atmosphere around here has been a lot better, but I know how easy it can be for it to slip back to where it was. So be respectful, don't ask for ETAs, and be thankful for what we have - cause what we now have is a TON more options that we had before.

I remember the "Great Holiday Wars of 2012"... it was ugly, didn't even want to visit the site half the time. But things are looking up and I'm glad I didn't return my vivid thirty days after the release date like so many did.

homeslice976 said:
For those of you that have been around these parts for a while, you may remember the State of Development updates that good ol' Gsleon3 used to update us with. These came for us at a time when development for the Vivid seemed to be at a standstill, and for those of you that were here, you remember why. For those of you who don't, let me catch you up a little (and I apologize for the bad feelings that this may drum up, but I don't want anything to get out of control again). So grab a beer and a snack, this may be a long one
It was about April, and development for the Holiday was still in its infancy. There were a few good ROMs being released, and generally, it was a good place to be. Then accusations of stealing other's work, accusations of corrupt moderators, and all around child-like behavior started, and it became the downfall of the Holiday forum at XDA. ROM threads started closing. Then came the bickering. Then the Devs left. Then the users began to play the blame game, and the "let me try to whine my way to what I want" game. All the best devs left and opened up shop in their own little corners of the internet (and I can't blame them one bit), and development for the device was no longer centralized. There were/are still AWESOME ROMs available for this device, just not on XDA. This always made me a little sad. As painful of a place as XDA (or any internet forum for that matter) can be at times, there's sooooo much good information crammed into one site that it has always been my one-stop shop, but that wasn't true any longer. I settled in, I found a home, but I kept a close eye on what else was happening across the interweb's Holiday community. I liked to keep my eye on one project specifically, synergy's CM10 project, because who wouldn't want JellyBean, right?
Now, a little more information for those of you who weren't around.. The original CM10 thread was opened at another site in July, where the project started. Syn put a lot of time and effort into it, but in the end, found it to be not worth his time to continue on a project he didn't see possible to ever be finished (mainly due to the ATT in-call mic issue and video issues), and again, who can blame him? He abandoned the project at the beginning of August. This is where mg picked the project up, and continued it with a few fixes himself, before somehow we caught the attention of h8rift. h8 has been awesome - cleaning up our trees, getting things in their proper home, and powering through anything that gets in his way It's so great to have him around.
Myself, up until October, had only ever had experience with things like making boot animations, icons, editing .xmls in .apks, and some slight .smali edits. Thanks to mg's excellent guide and a crapton of Googling, I learned out how to compile/build cm from source. Then I thought, "I wonder if I could do the same for other JB flavors?" So guess what? I tried, and it worked. Every single question I had along the way (with the exception of a few Ubuntu and git specific questions), were answered by a thread here at XDA. Cool, right?
I am very excited to see new ROMage out for this device...as I'm sure anyone who was here through the "Great Holiday Wars of 2012" would agree, I was pretty sure what we had was all we were ever going to see. Which again, would have been OK, cause there are some great ROMs out there, but I've never been the kind of dude to settle in on the same ROM for too long - that's why I came to XDA in the first place. Now as I'm sure everyone can see, through collaboration, this project is making HUGE progress! I cannot thank mg and h8 enough for keeping it going. This brings me to my last point...
I encourage everyone to participate, and offer suggestions, and share information - that is, after all, what a developer's forum should be about. The wealth of knowledge that's available at XDA is out of this world, but sometimes hiding deep within the threads, filled by off-topic chatter and users who have way to huge a sense of entitlement. Please always keep in mind that the things you're getting here are free. Hours upon hours upon hours of work go into these projects, just to be shared for very little asked in return. Wait, we ask for something in return? Yes - READ, SEARCH, and SEARCH AGAIN before posting. Like I said, there's already a wealth of knowledge here that's incomparable to other Android forums on the web, but yes, sometimes it can be trying to find that information. But it's not impossible. Also - keep an eye on the issues list. There are bugs. There will probably always be bugs. And as long as there are, they will continue to be squished to the best of our ability (though h8's ability is far beyond mine, so let's especially be nice to him )
In closing - PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not let this place become what it was before. So far I feel like the atmosphere around here has been a lot better, but I know how easy it can be for it to slip back to where it was. So be respectful, don't ask for ETAs, and be thankful for what we have - cause what we now have is a TON more options that we had before.
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I got my vivid in april lol. when did the "wars" start? didnt really get into xda until like may or july

XxSHaDoWxSLaYeRxX said:
I got my vivid in april lol. when did the "wars" start? didnt really get into xda until like may or july
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Right before that...I got my vivid in late may I think and that was when the blame game was going around lol...wasn't pretty
Could not agree more with the op, lets be thankful for what we now have...and hopeful for what's to come
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seems like I got my vivid after all this happend. Got it off craigslist since I was switching from cricket

Well said homeslice. Although I haven't been as active in my participation I got the Vivid on day 1 and am really happy to see development where it is today. There were many points I thought the device was basically dead and time and time again it was revived with new life. Hopefully the few left can make sure not to repeat drama mistakes of the past.
And great job on going from a reader to a developer, very well done.

Why is my xda premium app only let me reply/post on certain sections of forums and not development??:banghead:
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Random. But how many posts do you have? Until you have 10, you won't be able to post I. Development
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homeslice976 said:
Random. But how many posts do you have? Until you have 10, you won't be able to post I. Development
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i think is not fair to close a wip thread to bring a sense 4 rom to the vivid all i wanted to do is help this device users to be on the latest software as i said in the post that was closed i wasn't going to share it to everybody i want it to share it to developers to bring this rom to all users but it got closed for "kanging" which i think is not true since venom team never released a vivid rom even thou the did for rezound which is pretty similar device but cdma and korean's make their work on the rom also to make the radio work which no body here in xda could do after many tries all i want is to help the community and specific this device owners which expect more from this device and we know is capable of running this system and much more please let the development continue we are stuck right know on sense only because someone doesn't want to share their work on other devices which is ok if you are the developer of something and you don't want to share but why stop someone who is trying to help on a device you haven't released a rom I bet that many of the vivid users would like to flash a sense 4.1 rom on their devices

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i think is not fair to close a wip thread to bring a sense 4 rom to the vivid all i wanted to do is help this device users to be on the latest software as i said in the post that was closed i wasn't going to share it to everybody i want it to share it to developers to bring this rom to all users but it got closed for "kanging" which i think is not true since venom team never released a vivid rom even thou the did for rezound which is pretty similar device but cdma and korean's make their work on the rom also to make the radio work which no body here in xda could do after many tries all i want is to help the community and specific this device owners which expect more from this device and we know is capable of running this system and much more please let the development continue we are stuck right know on sense only because someone doesn't want to share their work on other devices which is ok if you are the developer of something and you don't want to share but why stop someone who is trying to help on a device you haven't released a rom I bet that many of the vivid users would like to flash a sense 4.1 rom on their devices
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In what part of this conversation with you this morning @ 8:01 AM was I not clear about? Would you care to elaborate??
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i had been given a link to a rom port of venom rom for the htc vivid with sense 4 and your mods in it but it is the only rom that has sense 4 for the vivid i would like your permission to post it in vivid section since it is your work the only problem is that it was made in korea and the installer script and aroma is in korean language please think about it there are so many vivid users that would like to use sense 4 on their devices thanks for your time!!
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Sorry but we don't approve of the use of our work by non-team members and do not condone the porting of any of our roms to other devices for various reasons. One of those reasons is these roms will never meet the same level of quality and support our users have become accustomed to as such, these roms will never be allowed on xda and will also be refused Venom Hub access.
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Can it be used as a base at least since it has a working ril?
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That would be the same as porting
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Ok thanks for the time you took to answer my request!!
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Sorry it's not the answer you're looking for but we run into these request every day along with unauthorized ports.
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Don't worry i understand perfect the situation
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Turge said:
In what part of this conversation with you this morning @ 8:01 AM was I not clear about? Would you care to elaborate??
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Btw, we're not trying to be the bad guys here... We're simply trying to protect our property. Perhaps the best way for you to achieve your objective is to reach out to the kangers to find out how they managed to port it over to your device...

Turge said:
Btw, we're not trying to be the bad guys here... We're simply trying to protect our property. Perhaps the best way for you to achieve your objective is to reach out to the kangers to find out how they managed to port it over to your device...
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That's exactly what I want but there is a language barrier, instead of releasing could you try to make it legit here with your team? Please I know there are really good developers and they can find how to make it legit is all I ask I do not want to make an issue out of trying to help others with this device, this device is capable of running this Rom flawless just like the one x or rezound which in fact is is the same device but cdma could you help us or assign this port to one of your team members?
Or if none of you has the vivid let a vivid developer take care of it please we have really good developers here to!!
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This all sounds familiar...the point of this thread...
Let's just drop it. The villec2 should get its jellybean sense+ update soon, and maybe we can port it. Or maybe we can get the Koreans to share their secret. In the meantime, it appears to be elsewhere, so get it there if you must

JEANRIVERA said:
That's exactly what I want but there is a language barrier, instead of releasing could you try to make it legit here with your team? Please I know there are really good developers and they can find how to make it legit is all I ask I do not want to make an issue out of trying to help others with this device, this device is capable of running this Rom flawless just like the one x or rezound which in fact is is the same device but cdma could you help us or assign this port to one of your team members?
Or if none of you has the vivid let a vivid developer take care of it please we have really good developers here to!!
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So, the options are:
1. We remove all of our tweaks from the framework files of a kanged port of one of our roms so that you can use it as a base
2. You find a Korean translator to ask the one who got data working how he did it.

Let's not start more xda drama the vivid forum has already been thru this. Either find someone who speaks Korean to ask to translate or have them remove all of their tweaks like they ask. The vivid has come to far now to start drama over a sense 4 ROM
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Turge said:
So, the options are:
1. We remove all of our tweaks from the framework files of a kanged port of one of our roms so that you can use it as a base
2. You find a Korean translator to ask the one who got data working how he did it.
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I'm not been sarcastic please help the vivid users to get a sense 4 Rom up and running if you can remove your framework from it that would be awesome to use it as a base I know you and your team are great developers I'm using your viper Rom on my wifes phone and I am really impressed with what you guys have done, I never wanted to start a war here or elsewhere all I want to do is give the sense 4 option to vivid owners like me!! I'm really sorry I have caused any issues.
Happy New year to everybody !!!! I hope this mess get resolved soon !!!
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I'm not been sarcastic please help the vivid users to get a sense 4 Rom up and running if you can remove your framework from it that would be awesome to use it as a base I know you and your team are great developers I'm using your viper Rom on my wifes phone and I am really impressed with what you guys have done, I never wanted to start a war here or elsewhere all I want to do is give the sense 4 option to vivid owners like me!! I'm really sorry I have caused any issues.
Happy New year to everybody !!!! I hope this mess get resolved soon !!!
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You don't understand the work effort in removing our tweaks from the framework so you'll need to follow up with the Koreans.
And I honestly hope we don't see any more links to this kang roms, either here or on rootzwiki.
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Turge said:
You don't understand the work effort in removing our tweaks from the framework so you'll need to follow up with the Koreans.
And I honestly hope we don't see any more links to this kang roms, either here or on rootzwiki.
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I do understand, I'm sorry if it was to much to ask I also understand that you and your team can be mad because of my actions, it won't happen again I'm really sorry
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I do understand, I'm sorry if it was to much to ask I also understand that you and your team can be mad because of my actions, it won't happen again I'm really sorry
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Time to find some Koreans!

strose09 said:
Time to find some Koreans!
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I tried to contact bananacakes but he hasn't responded yet
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Thank You to A great developer for a great ROM DjangoManoucheX by carburano

I did not know of carburano's work with the LG Optimus 2X for GB but with ICS I do have to say I really appreciate the time and effort he has put into the development. His thread in the development section is one of the most read and posted thread. I believe it is almost as large as the JB threads and in some cases larger. Even his old GB thread is still being posted to and growing monstrous in size.
I have tried to keep up with his ICS thread but it is so hard with the large number of posts everyday, some seeming to be constant repeats of previously asked questions or small replies to others. In some cases people just quote someone else and add lol. Everything I see points to carburano being very dedicated and committed to his work and followers. I can understand the difficulties he has sifting through the posts looking for good feedback and positive replies to his hard work. I am certain that he reads over every post and each one takes up some of the time he sets aside for us all.
Being such a large and popular thread I was surprised not to see more threads on DjangoManoucheX (yes I even used the search feature) where people would discuss everything from how a particular ril performs to which baseband people are using with his rom. But than again without them being started by the creator of this fabulous rom few people may take them seriously and in some cases may not take the time to search for them.
@carburano thank you for breathing life into my phones have never worked better. I have 3 LG2X's and some nights I may install roms with different kernels to see how they work for a few days, taking note of particular things I like better than others and how things are implemented. I enjoy this type of playing with the phones, I spent many years as a electronics and computer technician and finding something that keeps me this excited is beyond words to explain. Yet after many tests I keep coming back to your rom as the standard.
Please take the popularity of your thread and rom as I hopefully believe it is meant to be, a positive show of how much everyone appreciates your work. Some people may get over excited like kids in a candy store waiting for the store keeper to restock the shelves and sometimes this may lead to them typing to fast or some things lost in translation. Seeing your work and any new release you put out is like Christmas time all over again.
I would have tried to post this on the DM rom thread as I could find no other thread praising your work but 2 things stopped me
1. I am new so can not. I have lurked in the shadows for to long watching and
2. I need to try and figure out what the "on topic" topic's are. So hopefully in the general area is where I should put this.
Thank You again carburano I believe things could not be better with you keeping the phone and your followers so well looked after.

Heya, I'm glad you liked his ROMs but the thing is carburano is not a developer, he is a "rom cooker". . He "cooks" a rom using the preferences/addons/themes etc.. he likes.
Other than that, I support this post. I think he is a great contributor to this community.
thanks carburano.

Thanks
I appreciate the clarification in terminology. I am behind and need to catch up some.
My main goal was to try and express my gratitude and maybe others for the work he puts in to make our life and phones better and easier.

Hello...
Carburano is a great cooker, and even so good that we could say developer, at least he's able to give Roms as good as he was a 'developer'.. And a good person as far as I 'know' him
But the community deceived me a lot theses days because they didn't really understand the meaning of XDA and of what he is doing, for FREE.
He would not provide his update to everyone because some have though his thread was a general/Q&A thread... and what some replied ?! "Ok, no problem, we don't care, if you don't provide us a even better Rom every week we switch to an other". But boys tell me, what's are the problems that 'everybody' encounter with the 1.4 ? It is fully and absolutely working, stock based and theme with a kernel that LG was dreamimg to build but wasn't even able to.
So what do theses guys want... every developer deserve respect for what they are giving to our phone which was at the beginning made for the developer's phone only, so you can't complain of anything about what Carburano is doing
@Carburano: Thank a lot for what you gave us, giving our old phone an extended life

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I'm sorry but i cannot continue with this environment, i've stolen many days to my private life not to hear that i must release soon otherwise i'm an id***... I prefer to continue dmx privately and if things will be fine i will give you links. I promised to avoid open a new thread for my roms and i will keep this promise. Ciao guys. This is it
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A sad day it is.
When we take something for granted that was given for free and than expect to be treated like we paid for it.
carburano and other developers / chef's / cookers already have enough things to do with there own life that their free time and evenings should be spent doing the things they love because they want to and not because people try to make them feel bad about not giving all their time to one thing.
I have stayed off forums on many different websites and out of the conversation because I am more than happy to patiently wait for the next release or happy to work out all the bugs that I can on my own before I bother anyone, but now it is to late I should have joined earlier if for nothing else than to click on the thanks button.
@carburano because of the great work I have seen in your rom it has peaked my curiosity to maybe give it a try myself and see what I can do with my phones. It is a good thing there are high quality developers and chefs on XDA that I can try to seek guidance from. I would expect there are alot of people who do create their own custom roms but also keep them private to avoid the stress that seems to be taking over.
I learned from playing addictive online games that Real Life takes priority and you need to take the time to ensure it does not slip past you while you look at the computer screen.

No problem man.. You are absolutly true, the community have been really disrespectful towards you and your life that we all know very busy, and I really hope that your decision will make some minds change..
Again, thank for your work..

Hi carburano, i really reeeally reeeeeeeally love your work on DMX. I always come back to your rom when i try others rom's. That speed, smoothnes, battery life.
Well, now its over because some idiot's. :banghead:
But if you relese newer version's of your DMX, can you please send me links?
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This forum is dying anyways got the O2x for 2 years now and i ordered my Nexus 4 thanks for keeping this phone alive devs but i think this is just the end for the O2x.
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carburano said:
I'm sorry but i cannot continue with this environment, i've stolen many days to my private life not to hear that i must release soon otherwise i'm an id***... I prefer to continue dmx privately and if things will be fine i will give you links. I promised to avoid open a new thread for my roms and i will keep this promise. Ciao guys. This is it
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Take the advice of your quote and live well, your work speaks for itself. If you decide to share any further work I know there are dedicated people who are more than willing to provide positive feedback to what works and does not work. My wife gets mad at me when I change her phone because I see something I want to test out on it so I will have to just keep playing with my other 2 LG2X's for now.

Micronuub said:
This forum is dying anyways got the O2x for 2 years now and i ordered my Nexus 4 thanks for keeping this phone alive devs but i think this is just the end for the O2x.
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Not for me. I want my O2X to live forever.
I've just had my power button replaced, and I'm even considering buying a new battery for it just so I can make it feel new.

Welll guys...
Life goes on.....
Thx Carbo,one more time...
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Carbru bro what I am seeing this?
Please dont!
You are a greatest dev and contributor since years for our 2x. You've made a great effort. We miss you please come back:/
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Carbru bro what I am seeing this?
Please dont!
You are a greatest dev and contributor since years for our 2x. You've made a great effort. We miss you please come back:/
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Last months my thread became o2x trashbin.. It was my fault too... So i took this decision.
I alteady miss xda but i cannot continue in this way
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carburano said:
Last months my thread became o2x trashbin.. It was my fault too... So i took this decision.
I alteady miss xda but i cannot continue in this way
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Man, this is sad because of a few stupid guys, we lose a great dev like you ! :crying:
I've been a fan from your first ICS release, I loved your jokes during install, like the cookie recipe and the fake windows install !
Now I have DM X1.2 and can't update anymore
Can you send a link for us who enjoyed all your hard work ? :good:
Thanks for your time and work Carburano, don't let stupid people upset you !

But Carburano, why so many of us have to be punished this way like the bad ones? I'm still at Stock 2.3, when I see the news about DjangoManouche X 1.5 I see the perfect rom to my phone. I just hope some day I can use your rom, because to me, your rom seem to be the best one. We will miss you man!

carburano said:
Last months my thread became o2x trashbin.. It was my fault too... So i took this decision.
I alteady miss xda but i cannot continue in this way
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Hey mate,
I do have one suggestion which you might want to try.
Create an Q&A or userthread in the general section, where people can post more freely.
Add big fat red lines at your op stating that every kind of offtopic needs to get posted there and only posts for bug reports etc. are allowed in your dev thread.
Then consequently report users who break the ground rules.
If someone does it continuously ask the mods if they could hand him an infraction.
This forum is about development and contributions - not about dumbasses who can't keep their mouth shut and think they need to clutter threads in the development section.
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I tried to find Waldo and failed
Well I looked in the official release thread for DM 1.5 link and I think I found the post where carburano had placed his link but I think it has already been removed or maybe moved to a new post due to the problems that thread was having. No one wanted to be subjected to the same problems he was having. That is sorting through all the extra off topic posts.
For some people I hope it opened their eyes to the problem, for others all they could do was complain about it even though carburano posted the exact page where he shared.
I'am happy playing with 1.4 it works great.
@carburano good job in the way you posted the link, if even a few people now think twice before they post threads or where they post them I would say you accomplished the task of educating them.
I will keep looking in my spare time, maybe get lucky one day.

I need link for Dm1.5?Thnks.

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tonyp said:
Hey mate,
I do have one suggestion which you might want to try.
Create an Q&A or userthread in the general section, where people can post more freely.
Add big fat red lines at your op stating that every kind of offtopic needs to get posted there and only posts for bug reports etc. are allowed in your dev thread.
Then consequently report users who break the ground rules.
If someone does it continuously ask the mods if they could hand him an infraction.
This forum is about development and contributions - not about dumbasses who can't keep their mouth shut and think they need to clutter threads in the development section.
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I read rc/rd pm... And it's a good idea but now i will wait until things come back to normality and then i will think about it
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Seen like 5 different 4.4 kitkat ROMs for nexus

Soooooooooooooooooooo.......I am a patient person and I'm sorry I'm relying on others for this but w.e the point is every1 seems to be coming out with h multiple kitkat ROMs for certain devices...........maybe Devs should stop trying to produce an already produced ROM for devices like nexus, galaxy, htc and such and maybe focus on other devices........devices that actually NEED an update.......lik the NC? W.e I just see no interest in the nc on xda anymore. God I wsh I knew how to do this. Learn u say. Well that would take too long. On app, so not sure of the rules and where to post. But considering its dead most of the time lol hopefully I won't get banned. My point is its ridiculous considering the majority of people don't even have these hi end devices and I think its selfish for the focus to just be on these devices. Impo. Some1 start it up plz. And stop stalling.
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And for the devs that the first thing out of there mouth is its so easy, build it yourself........wellllllll if its so easy then just do it and post it. Thousands if not mills use the ROMs. So feel free to continue to be selfish. Sry for the gruf. But it needed to be said.
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It has been a long standing tradition in the nook color community to not release binary build of new android versions for a few months. This allows all the bugs to be worked out by the devs before anyone else has access. At least one person bricked their nook on the ics or jb alpha builds, so this tradition is to protect from that. This also encourages end users to get into the development scene. I myself am going to be building my own cm11 over Christmas break and am going to be building for my phone, all because of this tradition. So quit complaining that nobody gives you what you want and build it yourself. Who knows, maybe you will keep this device alive after all the other devs have left because you built cm11 yourself.
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weldawadyathink said:
It has been a long standing tradition in the nook color community to not release binary build of new android versions for a few months. This allows all the bugs to be worked out by the devs before anyone else has access. At least one person bricked their nook on the ics or jb alpha builds, so this tradition is to protect from that. This also encourages end users to get into the development scene. I myself am going to be building my own cm11 over Christmas break and am going to be building for my phone, all because of this tradition. So quit complaining that nobody gives you what you want and build it yourself. Who knows, maybe you will keep this device alive after all the other devs have left because you built cm11 yourself.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^EXACTLY THE TYPE OF SELFISH PERSON I WAS REFERRING TO IN MY OPENING STATEMENT. thx for yet again tellin me to build it myself. :highfive:

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^EXACTLY THE TYPE OF SELFISH PERSON I WAS REFERRING TO IN MY OPENING STATEMENT. thx for yet again tellin me to build it myself. :highfive:
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He tries to explain it to you in a civilized tone and you insult him. You are not going to get any dev help with that tone.
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newbtrigger69 said:
And for the devs that the first thing out of there mouth is its so easy, build it yourself........wellllllll if its so easy then just do it and post it. Thousands if not mills use the ROMs. So feel free to continue to be selfish. Sry for the gruf. But it needed to be said.
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It is easy to compile cyanogenmod, but what stops you from doing it? For the first few months when a new rom comes out, the developers make it so only DEVELOPERS AND BUGTESTERS can have at it, and see what bugs there are, and what improvements they can add to the code. This is meant for the common user(YOU) to install the rom, and have no(maybe some) problems from when they first boot the rom. From then on more bug fixes are made, and the rom becomes stable for daily use. Experimental roms can be extremely dangerous, and can even brick an entire device(Anyone here remember the AOSP incident with Mateorod?)
And please next time you rant, try to use proper grammar, and using slang doesn't really help your point very much.

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God I wsh I knew how to do this. Learn u say. Well that would take too long.
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Learn i say, and do it yourself.
Why aren't you complaining to the manufacturer?
Why are you so demanding from people who are developing by hobby and they make their work available for free?
Try to answer these questions and then you will understand why people are saying to do it yourself.
Thread closed as it doesn't serve any real purpose rather than ranting about an area that you are not experienced with.

I just got my Nexus 5, and I'm a little disappointed...

Not about the hardware- that's nothing short of exceptional to me. What I'm wondering is, why are all the new Kitkat based custom roms so stripped-down? I know it's new, and I'm also not a developer but I can appreciate the hard work that goes into making them. On all my devices I've been able to count on roms like CyanogenMod and others to add the subtle tweaks that I feel should have come from the factory. CM 10.2 was a killer ROM and had all the features I needed. I've tried some of these new KK roms and theyre either too much, or too vanilla. All the OP's say they're starting clean. I'm sure someone will tell me "Learn how to build your own if you don't like it" but does anyone know if/when the devs plan to start incorporating features back? I hope no one takes offense to this, as that is not my intention. I'm just trying to understand why this happened. Was it like this when ICS and JB came out?

I agree with you...

Just ask google for a refund
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I think streamlined is the term you are searching for. I've been using Android for quite some time now and lightweight is what I prefer. Plus, it's inevitable to have a little more functionality with custom ROMs.
Not trying to offend, but it sounds to me like you haven't been around Android for very long if you weren't around for the ICS to JB update. So with that, I'm glad you're on board. So sit back, relax, and enjoy your amazing phone that has a pure Android experience.
Keep flashing and I'm certain you'll find the perfect fit for you.
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does anyone know if/when the devs plan to start incorporating features back?
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When they feel like it, or install the xposed framework and some of its modules.

"Why this happened?" Probably because the phone has been available for barely over a month. Nothing "happened." I've never seen so much development on a new phone in such a short period of time. Jeez.

Just wait...
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All devs on all devices start by making the base as stable as possible first. Only THEN do the features get added in.
Remember, this is a Nexus device. It is the first device to receive kitkat. It takes time for devs to build features back in to a new base. They don't just "slot in". They need to be amended, debugged and sometimes completely re-written
You're an early adoptor of the nexus. ALL brand new devices takes time to develop for. But imagine you buy the next HTC device released in 6 months time with kitkat... cm devs have been working with kitkat sources for 7 or 8 months by that time. The features will almost just "slot in" but on a brand new base, it takes a lot of time. Im not sure you really do appreciate the hard work involved
Its also worth noting, cm's feature set is identical across all kitkat builds on all devices. Its only the device tree that varies
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The phone and 4.4 are brand new. Slim and CM are developing their Roms. Patience is virtue.
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To everyone who wrote a useful, non-sarcastic response, thank you. You answered my questions. To the jerks, I have one word. Karma.

I am on the stock rom and I have nearly all the features and tweaks that custom roms have.
Just install xposed framework and gravitybox module and you should be alright. You can download more modules depending on your needs.
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Try Slim rom, they have a good amount of added features now.
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The CM features are coming, don't worry! Then AOKP will be up, and then AOSPA, then you won't know what to do with yourself! It just takes a bit for the developers to redo features for the brand new version of Android. We've been a bit spoiled in that the transition from the Jellybean 4.x.x updates weren't terribly hard to push code up for, but KitKat has a lot more going on under the hood.
Edit: and if you recall how CM6 and CM7 looked, the streamlined look also makes for a MUCH easier UI, vs the clutter that kinda existed in the froyo and GB days.

IrocD said:
To everyone who wrote a useful, non-sarcastic response, thank you. You answered my questions. To the jerks, I have one word. Karma.
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You have to understand that the devs here aren't getting paid for what they do. They have jobs and lives outside of Android development, and they do this in their spare time for free. For you to pop in and start a thread in the forums for a brand-new phone basically saying "hey guys, why aren't you developing more" comes off as kind of rude. You're new here so I'm sure that wasn't your intention, but you have to understand that some patience is required with a brand-new phone and a brand-new version of Android. I'm amazed at the amount of development that we already have, to be honest.

All you need is Xposed and Gravity Box. I'm running stock rooted with those two, and I got my Rom exactly how I like it.
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You have to understand that the devs here aren't getting paid for what they do. They have jobs and lives outside of Android development, and they do this in their spare time for free. For you to pop in and start a thread in the forums for a brand-new phone basically saying "hey guys, why aren't you developing more" comes off as kind of rude. You're new here so I'm sure that wasn't your intention, but you have to understand that some patience is required with a brand-new phone and a brand-new version of Android. I'm amazed at the amount of development that we already have, to be honest.
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Can you please point me to where I said they should do something faster? Because frankly, I'm not seeing it. In fact, I specificially said that I appreciate the hard work that goes into them. All I was asking, was to be educated on why all the roms were starting clean. It seems some people understood this, and offered relevant responses while others simply flamed. It's no wonder that people get a bad taste of these forums with the way they get treated, when they simply asked a question and even carefully worded it so as not to be offensive or greedy.
When we went from ICS to JB, it wasn't like this. Devs didn't 'start fresh' like this. So clearly something DID happen, i.e. a change of some kind, that led them to do what they are doing. And all I wanted was to be educated on what that was! Not once did I say that these hard working people with lives who do this for FREE should do it FASTER. But people, who are possibly only semi-literate, immediately assume that someone is saying what they are clearly NOT saying. Is it boredom that leads people to jump on someone in a forum for no reason? Either say something constructive and don't be a warmonger, or move on.

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All you need is Xposed and Gravity Box. I'm running stock rooted with those two, and I got my Rom exactly how I like it.
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Thank you for your concise and constructive answer. From what I'm reading, I think you've led me in the right direction.

jxr94 said:
The CM features are coming, don't worry! Then AOKP will be up, and then AOSPA, then you won't know what to do with yourself! It just takes a bit for the developers to redo features for the brand new version of Android. We've been a bit spoiled in that the transition from the Jellybean 4.x.x updates weren't terribly hard to push code up for, but KitKat has a lot more going on under the hood..
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THIS WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR!! THANK YOU!! What a simple answer, that was not negative in any way, that told me what I was looking for. Thank you for not being insulting, and just telling me that it was easier to do JB updates than KK. So like I said, something was different about KK that made it more difficult to code for. Thank you for keeping in the spirit of constructively helping others.

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Thank you for your concise and constructive answer. From what I'm reading, I think you've led me in the right direction.
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I also like the Cataclysm ROM, very "stock-ish" with good features.

Gravity box is a great module. Many of us use it
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Android O

Remember Android N CyanogenMod Beta? Let's create another one for Android O! I loved those times. If I was a developer, I would have started it already :crying: but I'm not, so I'm asking others...

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Remember Android N CyanogenMod Beta? Let's create another one for Android O! I loved those times. If I was a developer, I would have started it already :crying: but I'm not, so I'm asking others...
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can you please stop posting such useless crap?
we all know that Android O is out, so wait till you get the first custom roms ..

The image just released and it certainly will take quite some time for developers to complie a custom ROM.

Moderators really need to step up their game to remove these worthless posts...
FYI: YOU are the person that demotivates devs with all these captain obvious questions and whines about ETA's. Congratulations on only making it take longer.
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michel sedgh said:
Remember Android N CyanogenMod Beta? Let's create another one for Android O! I loved those times. If I was a developer, I would have started it already :crying: but I'm not, so I'm asking others...
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It's never too late to become a developer. When you have a problem, do you always wait expecting someone fixing it for you ? I hope not. Don't waste your time crying and waiting, nobody was born as a developer. Start learning now, you'll know already a lot before Android O is released on your phone.

paultje162 said:
Moderators really need to step up their game to remove these worthless posts...
FYI: YOU are the person that demotivates devs with all these captain obvious questions and whines about ETA's. Congratulations on only making it take longer.
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I would think such things would motivate developers. "Wow the community wants this quicker, I'm gonna show them I'm capable" something like that lol

I don't see anything wrong with a thread to discuss the upcoming roms. It's cool

justin654 said:
I would think such things would motivate developers. "Wow the community wants this quicker, I'm gonna show them I'm capable" something like that lol
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No not even close really. See here is something many users dont understand. Developers dont make things for them (ok some glory hounds do but those people are normally complete idiots) Developers make the roms for themselves and decide to share it. Why do you think most teams do not support a device they dont own? Developers have no desire to prove anything really. To be honest, the real developers are some of the most anti-social people you will ever meet. This is the reason most dont even bother posting. They use other people as their voice.
As for fast. Well you can get something fast or you can get something done right. Considering there are no blobs or kernel source for this device anything that does come out before 1+ releases their update will be nothing more then a cheap hack.

This thread doesn't look to have a forseeable direction, This thread is now closed.