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I have noticed that when the N6 is on charge, once it reaches 100% and left on charger, the battery starts discharging approx 1% every hour.
I only noticed this when my alarm was going off and when looked at battery usage it was saying 94% but nothing using it - installed GSAM and noticed that once fully charged it starts discharging even while on charge. If I remove charger and re-insert it starts charging again as normal.
Has anyone else noticed this issue. I have contacted Motorola to see what they say, but they are none the wiser and just think it may be a feature of the device/charger but not sure and said to test with another charger.
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I have noticed that when the N6 is on charge, once it reaches 100% and left on charger, the battery starts discharging approx 1% every hour.
I only noticed this when my alarm was going off and when looked at battery usage it was saying 94% but nothing using it - installed GSAM and noticed that once fully charged it starts discharging even while on charge. If I remove charger and re-insert it starts charging again as normal.
Has anyone else noticed this issue. I have contacted Motorola to see what they say, but they are none the wiser and just think it may be a feature of the device/charger but not sure and said to test with another charger.
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Not sure, I don't use stock or the stock charger. I would have thought the stock charger trickle charged. I remember my HTC desire used to charge to 100%, discharge to 90 and then charge to 100% in a loop as it didn't trickle charge.
Make sure your using a cable that supports data as well. My stock 5.01 and stock charger/cable does trickle charge.
It's perfectly normal to see this in such devices, though if it were going any lower I'd investigate further.
Maintaining a constant flow to the battery would burn it out so the charge gets it to full and then cuts out, allowing a little discharging and cooling of the battery. Once it gets to certain point, it'll start to juice the battery again.
Sent from my Nexus 6
thanks for the replies - I've not seen it drop below 90%, but I know if remove the charger and plug back in, it will start charging as normal - another thing I have recently noticed is that when you do plug charger in, initially it switches between battery/charger a few times and then starts properly charging - I wonder if this is feature of the phone or lollipop causing this. - other than this phone seems to work fine and have had over 2 days on a full charge
Well got it to drop to 80% while plugged in and it didn't start charging again until pulled cable and put back in
what charger are you using? i leave my n6 on a charger for hours after it hits 100%, and it never ever drops. id even say that when it hits 100% it doesnt stop charging. it keeps charging, with a much less inflow of charge than normal, but its still charging. for about 30min before it stops charging. then it just stays at 100%. sometimes i have it plugged in for 8-10 hours after, never once did it go to 99%. this is while using stock, and custom roms.
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I have noticed that when the N6 is on charge, once it reaches 100% and left on charger, the battery starts discharging approx 1% every hour.
I only noticed this when my alarm was going off and when looked at battery usage it was saying 94% but nothing using it - installed GSAM and noticed that once fully charged it starts discharging even while on charge. If I remove charger and re-insert it starts charging again as normal.
Has anyone else noticed this issue. I have contacted Motorola to see what they say, but they are none the wiser and just think it may be a feature of the device/charger but not sure and said to test with another charger.
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The new gen chargers actually cut the power when the battery Actually hits 99% and show it as 100% and stop it charging. But when the 100% drop to 99% (which is not actually visible), it automatically starts charging. But discharging the battery more than 1% is not actually a Normal thing, I should say. I also do charge over-night, never evidenced such thing. I'll suggest you to try with different turbo charger if you have one.
I'm using the stock charger got with the phone. I did contact Motorola over this and they were useless. I know charger works as charges to 100%. But it then just stops.
I have performed a factory reset to see how it goes tonight.
If still no good will speak with CPW and see what they say as don't fancy having to send off based on some of the forum posts
I have no issues with my N4 which has been connected to a power source for days and still shows 100%
I have also noticed that on the N6 when powered off and charge it doesn't show that it is charging
taken it into CPW and they have sent it off for repair - been told 16 days - at least with apple it's near enough same day, shame can't do same with android phones
I had called Motorola uk support and was promised email confirmation of call and also call back this morning regarding the phone and have had neither
back to my Nexus 4 for time being, just hope my Nexus 6 don't come back with any scratches, etc
I use a Qi charger, and notice this exact thing. Charge until it claims to be full, then stop altogether. So I set it on the pad when I go to bed, and wake up to it not charging and being down to around 95%. I was thinking that it was a characteristic of Qi, but when we got another (identical) Qi pad for the wife's Hammerhead, it "appears" to remain in charging mode indefinitely. Our Qi pads have a blinking white light when they are "charging".
what happens if you just plug the charger directly to the phone so not using the wireless Qi charger, do you get the same fault
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I use a Qi charger, and notice this exact thing. Charge until it claims to be full, then stop altogether. So I set it on the pad when I go to bed, and wake up to it not charging and being down to around 95%. I was thinking that it was a characteristic of Qi, but when we got another (identical) Qi pad for the wife's Hammerhead, it "appears" to remain in charging mode indefinitely. Our Qi pads have a blinking white light when they are "charging".
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Hammerhead does act differently to the shamu. I have both and used them both on the same qi.
Hammerhead trickle charges. Charging icon remains until picked up off charger.
Shamu stops at 100%, charging icon disappears. However, when I remove my Shamu, its always 100% or 99%.. Its never lower.
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what happens if you just plug the charger directly to the phone so not using the wireless Qi charger, do you get the same fault
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Good question. But judging by the rest of this thread, I suspect that it will behave the same with a wire as with the Qi. I don't ever actually use the wire to charge, since the ballistic maxx case makes access to the USB plug inconvenient.
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Hammerhead does act differently to the shamu. I have both and used them both on the same qi.
Hammerhead trickle charges. Charging icon remains until picked up off charger.
Shamu stops at 100%, charging icon disappears. However, when I remove my Shamu, its always 100% or 99%.. Its never lower.
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I wonder if that could be a coincidence....? I.e., either you aren't leaving it on long enough for the percent to drop lower than that, or leaving it on long enough that it initiates a top-up just before you disconnect it.
Ok, so looking at the DT for the device....
https://android.googlesource.com/ke...ot/dts/apq8084-shamu/apq8084-moto-common.dtsi
Look at lines ranging from 823 to 854 for the smb1357 block.
Note low-voltage-uv = 2750000, max-voltage-uv = 4350000
In mv, that would be 2750 and 4350 respectively. That makes for a range of 1600 mV.
The recharge-thresh-mv = 200
Assuming a *relatively* linear voltage/percentage curve, 200/1600 * 100 = 12.5%. It won't be quite that linear, but this is adequate to give a rough idea of the charge cycle breadth in percentage points.
recharge-thresh-mv accepts values of 50, 100, 200, or 300. The smaller the value is, the tighter the recharge threshold becomes. At 50, we would be looking at roughly 3%.
So my conclusion: working as intended.
There is another aspect that becomes involved when using Qi, which is the bq51021. This one has a parameter "resume-vbatt-mv" set to a value of 4270 mV. That is 80 mV below full, or roughly 5%. Judging by only the name of the parameter, it sounds like it sets a Qi charge cycle breadth of 5%, but I don't understand the relationship between the bq51021 and the smb1357. I suspect that the two have to agree for Qi charging to work.
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I wonder if that could be a coincidence....? I.e., either you aren't leaving it on long enough for the percent to drop lower than that, or leaving it on long enough that it initiates a top-up just before you disconnect it.
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I don't think so. I put it on the charger at pretty much the same time and take it off at pretty much the same time but starting from different % remaining every day... If it did drop to 90%, i would have caught it at least once by now.
update: whatever you do if you are uk customer and purchased via CPW do not take it back to them - i found out today that they are not accredited repairers and they should have advised me it needed to go to Motorola - now trying to find out what is happening with my phone and when to get it back
I'm still trying to understand how my Nexus 6 works with Qi charging, and the results are a bit inconsistent.
I'm using an LG WCD-100 stand and a BlackBerry Blade charger, both of which are reported to work well with the Nexus 6 (in portrait).
I've had my Nexus 6 on the dock on my desk in work this week, and have been keeping an eye on it. I have the screen on all the time (so I can keep an eye on incoming personal emails). Most of the time the N6 charges to 100%. It then stops charging until it get to about 98%, at which time it starts charging again. So far so good. HOWEVER, on a few occasions it did not start to recharge (even with the battery down to the 70's), and I had to remove it from the charger for a few moments and then put it back before it would start charging again.
I'll try again next week (I'm only desk-bound Tue/Wed/Thu) with a different Qi charger, just in case there's a problem with the one I'm using (though I doubt it).
In the meantime, has anybody seen similar behaviour - or is it time to talk to Motorola UK Support?
the charging issue with it not starting again is the same as what i'm having on wired connection - if you install something like gsam battery monitor you can see that it is discharging while actually charging
I also have the LG WCD-100 (from when I had the LG G3) but not actually using it as I think first time tried you have to get it in the correct area for it to charge
I had problems with my Nokia charger. Because this phone is big and the back of the Nokia was less than half way up the back of the phone, the weight of the too of the phone pushed the bottom of the phone away from the charger.. Imagine the phone as a see saw and the top of the back of the charger as the pivot point. Also the unflat back didn't help
Limiting the battery charge to a fraction (70%-80%) of it's full capacity is a well known way to greatly extend the battery's charge capacity lifetime. There are several (root) apps created to automate this, that stop the phone from charging once a selected charge level is reached. Battery Charge Limit is one (https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002), ACCA is another (https://github.com/MatteCarra/AccA/). So far I have not been successful getting either of those to work with the ROG2. I was wondering if anybody has had any success with those apps or any other way to limit the battery charge on the ROG2?
The Rog phone 2 has its own function that lets you automatically stop charging.
But keep in mind this function is only useful if you are planing to keep the phone connected to a charger 24/7 then it's useful. Otherwise it's worthless if you disconnect your phone once it's 100% charged.
Battery also needs to discharge and recharge to keep it's capacity and function going. If you don't do this it can wear the battery out even if you stop charging at 70-80%.
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The Rog phone 2 has its own function that lets you automatically stop charging.
But keep in mind this function is only useful if you are planing to keep the phone connected to a charger 24/7 then it's useful. Otherwise it's worthless if you disconnect your phone once it's 100% charged.
Battery also needs to discharge and recharge to keep it's capacity and function going. If you don't do this it can wear the battery out even if you stop charging at 70-80%.
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Most of what you said is wrong.
The ASUS Power Master Battery Care feature slows and delays the charging but still charges to 100%. The feature is only useful if you have a regular charge schedule (which I don't, and DO mostly leave the phone on the charger) and even then, it's still charging to 100%. Repeatably charging a LiPo battery to 100% WILL decrease it's capacity significantly faster than if only partially charged. All phones already slow charging at high charge levels. There is no advantage to discharging the battery.
Read and learn: https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
If you can reference any authority to support your position, I'd love to see it.
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Most of what you said is wrong.
The ASUS Power Master Battery Care feature slows and delays the charging but still charges to 100%. The feature is only useful if you have a regular charge schedule (which I don't, and DO mostly leave the phone on the charger) and even then, it's still charging to 100%. Repeatably charging a LiPo battery to 100% WILL decrease it's capacity significantly faster than if only partially charged. All phones already slow charging at high charge levels. There is no advantage to discharging the battery.
Read and learn: https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
If you can reference any authority to support your position, I'd love to see it.
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Did you ever know that even authority can be wrong in facts as well? I can confirm that battery feels alot better with discharge and charge than what it is with 100% all time or 70-80%.
How I can confirm is that I have a Microsoft surface Pro 4 and when I kept it on charger at 100% for a day or two the wear level jumped from 0% to 3% but when I discharged it and recharged it after some time then tear level on battery went back to 0% and capacity was back to its full capacity again. So discharge and recharge does not always wear the battery out. It actually makes battery feel better too.
So please don't always believe what internet and what authority States. Since on internet there is alot of false facts and authority gives alot of nonsense facts alot of times too.
Is it really wise to basically degrade your battery by 20% out of the box just so you can have 95% in 2 years? If anything, heat is the greatest factor for degradation. If you're that worried, just use a 2 Amp charger.
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Is it really wise to basically degrade your battery by 20% out of the box just so you can have 95% in 2 years? If anything, heat is the greatest factor for degradation. If you're that worried, just use a 2 Amp charger.
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Wise? Absolutely. Is it the perfect solution for everyone? No
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Is it really wise to basically degrade your battery by 20% out of the box just so you can have 95% in 2 years? If anything, heat is the greatest factor for degradation. If you're that worried, just use a 2 Amp charger.
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Yes, heat is a factor, but keeping the battery at 100% will degrade the battery faster regardless. If you simply do not need the additional 20% than there is no advantage to charging to 100%. My usage scenario is that the phone is plugged in a lot of the time and I very rarely need the full battery capacity. I've had several phone batteries bloat up under this scenario (and not using any fast charging).
When batteries degrade they don't stop at 80%. They generally keep degrading fairly rapidly. And you don't just lose capacity, as the battery degrades the internal resistance increases, which results in throttling and/or crashing.
BTW on some phones, ACCA will stop charging the battery when it reaches the desired charge level and run the phone entirely from external power.
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Wise? Absolutely. Is it the perfect solution for everyone? No
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Agreed. If manufacturers still offered replaceable batteries in their flagships, this would be somewhat of a moot point. When dealing with a sealed battery that is expensive and time consuming to replace, it's wise to do everything reasonable to protect the overall lifespan of it.
As for keeping it charged at 100%, I did that once and killed a battery in about 6 months. Not doing that one again.
Guys, it's so nice you are debating over the battery charging metaphysics but it does not help us solve the issue: our rooted phone can not be charged in a smart way using magisk+acc, ACCA or Battery Charge Limit.
Any ideas?
I'm facing issue with my Rog 2, my phone is not charging fast
1. I'm using 18w charger come with the phone to charge
2. I have used Xiaomi 2i power bank with 18w output to charge my phone (still not working)
3. I restart the phone on charging it goes down 36% to 29%
4. On charging when i restart the phone it goes 8% to 13%
5. I'm facing this problem from the yesterday
6. Double plus sign on battery icon as well as fast charging text on home screen is also not showing while charging
What is the issue please help anyone
Submit a bug report to acca and maybe at least someone starts caring for the ROG Phone. The reason why it doesnt work is simply because ASUS does its own stupid thing while charging (thats what happens when 100 OEMs cook their own soup, a mess).
About the battery health:
A battery keeps its best health when its charged between 25-75%, is kept below 30°C and charged as slow as possible. Thats why its wise to stop charging at 80% with a slow charger, especially when you have a big battery anyway that lasts for a day with 80% charge.
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I'm facing issue with my Rog 2, my phone is not charging fast
1. I'm using 18w charger come with the phone to charge
2. I have used Xiaomi 2i power bank with 18w output to charge my phone (still not working)
3. I restart the phone on charging it goes down 36% to 29%
4. On charging when i restart the phone it goes 8% to 13%
5. I'm facing this problem from the yesterday
6. Double plus sign on battery icon as well as fast charging text on home screen is also not showing while charging
What is the issue please help anyone
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currently facing the same issue and this is the first time in 2 week time. though on the lock screen, it shows fast charging.. but it isnt working smh
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currently facing the same issue and this is the first time in 2 week time. though on the lock screen, it shows fast charging.. but it isnt working smh
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Change the cable and try also try with different fast charging adapters or fast charging powerbank(mi power bank)
My problem solve by changing the cable
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MyronAz said:
Limiting the battery charge to a fraction (70%-80%) of it's full capacity is a well known way to greatly extend the battery's charge capacity lifetime. There are several (root) apps created to automate this, that stop the phone from charging once a selected charge level is reached. Battery Charge Limit is one (https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002), ACCA is another (https://github.com/MatteCarra/AccA/). So far I have not been successful getting either of those to work with the ROG2. I was wondering if anybody has had any success with those apps or any other way to limit the battery charge on the ROG2?
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Without root any chances
Because i don't want to root my phone
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Without root any chances
Because i don't want to root my phone
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There is no programmatic way to internally control the charging process without root, however there are some (not as good) alternatives.
First there is an app Accubattery that will give you a notification when the battery reaches a given level, you have to then disconnect the charger manually.
A second way to do this would be to use a smart plug and control it with Tasker. Don't know if anyone has done this but it should be possible.
Another possibility that is not vailable yet would be a kickstarter project called BatteryPal. This is a charging cable that had a bluetooth interface built in to it that would control charging using an app on the phone.They arr saying it will be available March 2020, but who knows.
I'm facing the same situation here. I'm next to a charger most of the time, so I like to use slow charging and not going above 80%. I was used to have battery charge limit installed in all my devices, but found this is not working with the rog phone.
My rog Phone 2 global edition over heats while charging
has anyone found a way even with root? I've tried ACC and some other app but they all done work.
I've also just tried ACC and Battery Charge Limit, but neither worked. It looks like there is something that keeps overwriting the charge control file all the time and allows the battery to charge anyway. Battery Care was disabled while doing this.
I am rooted, so I am able to test any potential solution.
Someone posted on r/rogphone2 a solution for this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ROGphone2/comments/ev0put/hows_this_it_never_reaches_100/
I've just tested it and it works for me.
Does anyone know of a legit charging adapter that isnt fastcharge and doesnt damage the phone or gets damaged itself after a while? I want to charge my phone without fastcharge but cant find a good charger
My old htc m8 charger got damaged after just a few times of using! Seems like the phone drained it dry
While at work, I leave my phone plugged in and charged at all times.
I don't have exact temperatures but I've noticed that it is warm the whole time. Anyone else notice this?
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While at work, I leave my phone plugged in and charged at all times.
I don't have exact temperatures but I've noticed that it is warm the whole time. Anyone else notice this?
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Are you using the official charger?
Some aftermarket USB C cables can damage your phone or even fry it completely.
If you are using a standard charger, I'm more inclined to say your phone is getting warm because the battery has been charging. If you have hotspot on, that can warm your phone up quite alot too... Basically the more your phone is doing the hotter it can get (Bluetooth/wifi/hotspot etc)
FYI: charging to 80/90% will make your battery last alot longer too, if you plan on keeping it a few years. Charging to 100% is the fastest way to degrade your li-ion battery.
If you are rooted you can limit your charge to 90% but depends if you don't have access to a charger all day you might need that 100%.
Hope that helps.
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Are you using the official charger?
Some aftermarket USB C cables can damage your phone or even fry it completely.
If you are using a standard charger, I'm more inclined to say your phone is getting warm because the battery has been charging. If you have hotspot on, that can warm your phone up quite alot too... Basically the more your phone is doing the hotter it can get (Bluetooth/wifi/hotspot etc)
FYI: charging to 80/90% will make your battery last alot longer too, if you plan on keeping it a few years. Charging to 100% is the fastest way to degrade your li-ion battery.
If you are rooted you can limit your charge to 90% but depends if you don't have access to a charger all day you might need that 100%.
Hope that helps.
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Yes, using the official charger. I also failed to mention that I have a case on my phone. Not sure if that is contributing to it.
Is it because charging to 100% counts as a full cycle? I will admit that I'm not up to snuff on battery tech and what the best way to preserve the battery long term. From my past understanding, if you take your battery all the way down and then charge it to 100%, then that was a full cycle. More cycles = degraded battery over time.
Not sure if this still holds true for li-ion batteries today.
Edit: My thought here is to leave it on the charger whenever I can, thus minimizing the cycles I put on the battery.
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While at work, I leave my phone plugged in and charged at all times.
I don't have exact temperatures but I've noticed that it is warm the whole time. Anyone else notice this?
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Yes, using the official charger. I also failed to mention that I have a case on my phone. Not sure if that is contributing to it.
Is it because charging to 100% counts as a full cycle? I will admit that I'm not up to snuff on battery tech and what the best way to preserve the battery long term. From my past understanding, if you take your battery all the way down and then charge it to 100%, then that was a full cycle. More cycles = degraded battery over time.
Not sure if this still holds true for li-ion batteries today.
Edit: My thought here is to leave it on the charger whenever I can, thus minimizing the cycles I put on the battery.
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My suggestion is download accubattery, it will tell you your battery temperature and also it calculates the degredation and health of your battery. It will also explain how many cycles of wear you are adding to the phone.
Back in the old days with nickel cadimium batteries you needed to do the whole 0-100 thing, that was good for battery memory... But modern day lithium batteries actually are better being topped off and kept between 20-80% in an ideal world. So deep discharges and high % charges wear out your battery significantly faster... This is why electric cars often limit charge, by doing this they can extend the life of the battery cells quite dramatically.... but if you are upgrading yearly, don't worry about it.
Here is an article that will help you.
EDIT: try charging with and without the case and see if it gets hot, definitely cases can be an insulator. You can monitor temp in accubattery.
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/how-to-improve-battery-life-tips-myths-smartphones
The idea that there is a set number of charging cycles for a particular battery, and every time you charge the phone you use up one of those cycles regardless of how much it charges (ie a 10% charge and a 100% charge both use one charging cycle) isn't how modern cell phone batteries work.
As noted, it is best to not charge your phone to 100%, nor do you want to discharge your battery to 0%. It is best to charge it more frequently for a smaller amount of charge each time as well. So charging a phone 10% ten times is better for the better than charging the battery once for 100%.
Heat is also a huge problem with batteries and the hotter a battery gets, the shorter life expectancy it will have. So definitely look into the issue.
If rooted, there are a couple of Magisk modules that control charging. They usually will automatically pause charging if the battery gets too high of a temp. Once a preset time has passed, it will restore charging again. The idea being that the pause in charging will allow the battery temps to drop. You can also limit the battery max charge to another value other than 100% if you want. 80% max charge is suppose to be the sweet spot for battery longevity, but anything less than 100% is going to add life to your battery.
Just so you know the phone does not charge to 100% or allow you to discharge the battery completely. Your phone just shows that you are at 100% when charged as much as allowed and discharged as much as allowed when you reach 0% charge. The partial charge thing no longer has much of any effect since the phone is doing it for you already but the internet hasn't' caught up to that yet. These chargers do stop charging at full and your phone should not be warm if it's charged but unused. So... are you using while on the charger? That's not a great idea because it's going to kick it into charge over and over. The fellow above was correct about using proper cables, I'm not sure that's much of a problem anymore but there still may be some ringers on Amazon and elsewhere. You could also have something discharging the battery enough to get it to charge continuously or close enough to it to warm the phone up over time, a wake lock can do it for example. Those can keep the phone on charge enough to warm it up.
In general with charging it's going to be best to keep your charging and total cycles down because capacity loss during charging is a real issue due to physical deterioration and transfer of materials in the battery caused during the charge. You would be better served by allowing it to discharge at least somewhat and only charging as needed rather than keeping it plugged in. Since you're at work it should be fairly easy to plan your charging so that you'll be able to get through the day without the constant charge. Not saying wait until it dies and then charge, that would be inconvenient, just that you would get more life if you reduced your charge cycles.
No matter what your phone is getting warm something needs to be addressed if it's doing so when not used but plugged in. The charger should stop for long periods and the phone should be cool after the charge completes.
Hi there,
to be honest, I have posted that question already in the P30 forum. But as both devices are quite similar and the Pro has a wider reach I decided to repeat it here. I hope you don't mind...
With the new EMUI10.1 also the "Smart Charge" feature arrived. Well, here at my P30 as a switch at least. I am really not sure, if this is working at all. I have it activated since idk 5 weeks or so and am using the original cable and charger. The charging curve, as can be seen in the battery settings, is not displaying any slower or even paused charging speed, the curve goes straight up until 100% ~1h after plugging in. Also there is nothing indicating an activated smart charging right when I plug in the charger.
What is your experience here, can you guys see any difference, have you seen any proof this is working?
Many thanks.
Yes, I've noticed it on both of my Huawei phones. It basically slows down or even stops charging so it doesnt max out, in order to preserve battery life. So you can leave it on the charger forever but it'll never hit 100%. My P30 pro sits on the charger almost daily and sits around 80-90%.
Maybe it has an algorithm that knows when you dont use it and charges to max then? My phone is on a wireless charger about 95% of the time throughout the day and night because it isnt used often. Sometimes it'll popup telling me that its using the smart charge feature and if I want to disable it blah blah.
adamlee2012 said:
I wake up every morning and mines on 100%. Looking at the battery graph it goes straight to 100% doesn't stop at 80 and charge nearer the time I unplug it so not quite sure how they've implemented it. Sony pauses charging til the usual time you unplug. Maybe when it reaches 100 on Huawei it stops charging.
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That matches my experience. Also the Sony part.
Hi guys, I noticed that even if the smart charge is on and I always charge at 80% max, if I forget to unplug it it goes up to 100%. SO I suppose it is not working... What is your experience about it?
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I think it charges to 100% then stops charging... And keeps it at 100%... I charge my phone every night... I never see it pause charging at 80% looking at the charging graph.
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Thank you for your feedback! So it is not working as it should. I got it should "understand" your habits and charge it accordingly, never going over 80%.
It's a pity, I found it really useful, but if it works like this it is useless.
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Hi there,
to be honest, I have posted that question already in the P30 forum. But as both devices are quite similar and the Pro has a wider reach I decided to repeat it here. I hope you don't mind...
With the new EMUI10.1 also the "Smart Charge" feature arrived. Well, here at my P30 as a switch at least. I am really not sure, if this is working at all. I have it activated since idk 5 weeks or so and am using the original cable and charger. The charging curve, as can be seen in the battery settings, is not displaying any slower or even paused charging speed, the curve goes straight up until 100% ~1h after plugging in. Also there is nothing indicating an activated smart charging right when I plug in the charger.
What is your experience here, can you guys see any difference, have you seen any proof this is working?
Many thanks.
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According to the official, smartphones powered by lithium batteries ages differently, which results vary in terms of charging or simply called slow charging as well as short battery life.
For example, if a user leaves the charging overnight or for a long time. The charger keeps supplying the power to the battery, a state called overcharging. Repeating this process causes battery aging.
But with accurate management, the battery aging can be slow down and extend the battery life.
This is where Smart Charging Mode comes in place and uses the phone’s built-in AI capabilities to learn usage patterns. To slow down the battery to charge 100% when required.
For example, if the smart charging mode is enabled and the battery reaches 80%. The charging automatically slowdowns (charging rate) before it reaches 100%. This whole process prevents the phone to keep charging at 100 percent without harming the batter
P20pro here, same problem. Night or day, it seems to charge at the same rate, not waiting at 80%, no sign of that toggle doing anything.
skodann said:
According to the official, smartphones powered by lithium batteries ages differently, which results vary in terms of charging or simply called slow charging as well as short battery life.
For example, if a user leaves the charging overnight or for a long time. The charger keeps supplying the power to the battery, a state called overcharging. Repeating this process causes battery aging.
But with accurate management, the battery aging can be slow down and extend the battery life.
This is where Smart Charging Mode comes in place and uses the phone’s built-in AI capabilities to learn usage patterns. To slow down the battery to charge 100% when required.
For example, if the smart charging mode is enabled and the battery reaches 80%. The charging automatically slowdowns (charging rate) before it reaches 100%. This whole process prevents the phone to keep charging at 100 percent without harming the batter
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I still cannot see any slowdown in charging here. How about you?
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None... Charges as usual over night. Goes to 100% in about 1 hour and stays there
So basically it charges up to 80% in regular mode, after it starts to charge or very slowly or just before u wake up to 100%.. Yes, is learning at what time usually u touch for the first time the phone..
Or at least, this is what should do
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duff91 said:
So basically it charges up to 80% in regular mode, after it starts to charge or very slowly or just before u wake up to 100%.. Yes, is learning at what time usually u touch for the first time the phone..
Or at least, this is what should do
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Exactly, "should do". Instead the phone is charging quickly and straight to 100% without any slowdown.
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I'm currently on Android 11, june patch. Just got the phone this week and noticed something very frustrating. I can generally "fast charging" as i only have a 15w charger for now. But sometimes if I unplug it and plug it back in, it just says "cable charging" i have other chargers and it's the same.. sometimes it says fast charging, but i downloaded Ampere and can see it only at 300mah and only goes up very slowly.. 1% every 4mins..
Anyone else with these issues?
Just try using the official charger and cable because everything else would be way dangerous. The same thing you have mentioned is happening to me as well. Try changing the way cable is plugged in. Turn it upside down.
Im using the 25w charger, Samsung original and neve chared with the stock 15w charger. It shows super fast charging, no problems here.
kevinwu128 said:
I'm currently on Android 11, june patch. Just got the phone this week and noticed something very frustrating. I can generally "fast charging" as i only have a 15w charger for now. But sometimes if I unplug it and plug it back in, it just says "cable charging" i have other chargers and it's the same.. sometimes it says fast charging, but i downloaded Ampere and can see it only at 300mah and only goes up very slowly.. 1% every 4mins..
Anyone else with these issues?
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yeah def charge with Samsung OEM charger
Meh, fast charging only will engage with 25 watt brick that is compatible.
$15 for a Samsung 25wbrick/cable at Walmart online, what's not to like?
I have 2 sets, the first one is over 1.5 years old and still runs A-OK.
jeeeesze...
Yeah i plan to get the 25w charger, just waiting on delivery. I'm just trying to reduce buying so many as i have so many spares from old phone that charge in just over an hour SOMETIMES And over 3 hour at other times! Frustration is even if i unplug and plug it back it, it never seems to go to fast charging unless i let it discharge a little. Winter here and it's cold so temperature of battery has been fine.
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Yeah i plan to get the 25w charger, just waiting on delivery. I'm just trying to reduce buying so many as i have so many spares from old phone that charge in just over an hour SOMETIMES And over 3 hour at other times! Frustration is even if i unplug and plug it back it, it never seems to go to fast charging unless i let it discharge a little. Winter here and it's cold so temperature of battery has been fine.
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Temperature matters. Charging is an electrochemical reaction. Too low a temperature and fast charging will not engage. Charging below 72-82F can cause Li plating to form which will permanently degrade the cell.
Never attempt to charge a Li at 40F or less!
Best battery start temperature is 85-95F
Li's fast charge best in the 90's.
Below 60F fast charging may not engage and it will slow charge for the remaining cycle.
Fast charging will disengage around 80% and at 90% will slow even more. This is to protect the battery.
If the battery temp get above about 101F fast charging will disengage. At around 104F it will stop charging all together.
Cool battery as it approaches 99F with a fan and/or damp microfiber cloth.
At ambient temperatures above 90F cooling will likely be needed for fast charging.
blackhawk said:
Temperature matters. Charging is an electrochemical reaction. Too low a temperature and fast charging will not engage. Charging below 72-82F can cause Li plating to form which will permanently degrade the cell.
Never attempt to charge a Li at 40F or less!
Best battery start temperature is 85-95F
Li's fast charge best in the 90's.
Below 60F fast charging may not engage and it will slow charge for the remaining cycle.
Fast charging will disengage around 80% and at 90% will slow even more. This is to protect the battery.
If the battery temp get above about 101F fast charging will disengage. At around 104F it will stop charging all together.
Cool battery as it approaches 99F with a fan and/or damp microfiber cloth.
At ambient temperatures above 90F cooling will likely be needed for fast charging.
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I don't really work with Fareinheit, but after looking, battery is reporting it as around 29degrees when charging. It does seem to be more consistent the last 2 days, i wonder if it's because the OS was still trying to learn my usage. It still happens, i just need to unplug and plug it back in when it says slow/cable charging. But haven't tested it too much, so still unsure.
I am still waiting on charger, i'll keep this forum updated in case anyone else is interested.
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I don't really work with Fareinheit, but after looking, battery is reporting it as around 29degrees when charging. It does seem to be more consistent the last 2 days, i wonder if it's because the OS was still trying to learn my usage. It still happens, i just need to unplug and plug it back in when it says slow/cable charging. But haven't tested it too much, so still unsure.
I am still waiting on charger, i'll keep this forum updated in case anyone else is interested.
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Meh you do the conversion. For actual living the Celsius system is awkward at best.
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Meh you do the conversion. For actual living the Celsius system is awkward at best.
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Lol, i did. Temperature was fine.
I received my charger after i typed up message. I used it with super fast charging getting 3000mA from ampere app. Worked great unplugging and plugging it back in.
Tested using it on my s10 charger, and it showed up as fast charging, unplug, plugged it back in, cable charging only.
Went back to the 25w charger. It says super fast charging but hovers aroud 1000mA.
Can't get it to use high speed. Temperature at 28.5 degrees.
The only way for me, let it drain 10% and put it in the charger again to get 3000mA charging speed. The message that says "super fast charging" means nothing to be honest.
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Lol, i did. Temperature was fine.
I received my charger after i typed up message. I used it with super fast charging getting 3000mA from ampere app. Worked great unplugging and plugging it back in.
Tested using it on my s10 charger, and it showed up as fast charging, unplug, plugged it back in, cable charging only.
Went back to the 25w charger. It says super fast charging but hovers aroud 1000mA.
Can't get it to use high speed. Temperature at 28.5 degrees.
The only way for me, let it drain 10% and put it in the charger again to get 3000mA charging speed. The message that says "super fast charging" means nothing to be honest.
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In what battery % range are you charging? It should draw closer to 4000-5000 ma at its peak fast charge rate with a 25w brick.
About 2%@minute when fast charging at peak rate.
Erratic fast charging can indicate a battery failure.
Any swelling is a failure. Replace immediately it this happens.
Other signs are deminished battery capacity.
Try clearing system cache.
Toggle the fast charging switch on/off 3 times.
Discharge until phone shuts down then charge to 100%. Some say to do this 3 times but one cycle worked for me to recalibrate the battery gauge.
Fast charging is a little b*tch when it goes south but always suspect a battery failure if this happens. A swollen battery can damage and destroy the phone.
Battery failures can happen at any time but are more likely to happen with degraded Li's.
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In what battery % range are you charging? It should draw closer to 4000-5000 ma at its peak fast charge rate with a 25w brick.
About 2%@minute when fast charging at peak rate.
Erratic fast charging can indicate a battery failure.
Any swelling is a failure. Replace immediately it this happens.
Other signs are deminished battery capacity.
Try clearing system cache.
Toggle the fast charging switch on/off 3 times.
Discharge until phone shuts down then charge to 100%. Some say to do this 3 times but one cycle worked for me to recalibrate the battery gauge.
Fast charging is a little b*tch when it goes south but always suspect a battery failure if this happens. A swollen battery can damage and destroy the phone.
Battery failures can happen at any time but are more likely to happen with degraded Li's.
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Thanks for the response, with the testing i've done, it's been 70% to 100% only.
i've been needing my phone for work, so i haven't had a chance to discharge it. Will try it this weekend.
Do you charge it back to 100% after a complete discharge with the phone Off or On?
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Thanks for the response, with the testing i've done, it's been 70% to 100% only.
i've been needing my phone for work, so i haven't had a chance to discharge it. Will try it this weekend.
Do you charge it back to 100% after a complete discharge with the phone Off or On?
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At 70-100% you'll see much slower charging.
Li's prefer frequent midrange power cycling. It can extend their life by hundreds of full charge cycles. Example 40-70%
I rarely charge to 90-100% usually to 65-82%
I almost discharge below 30%, 40% or so being typical. Below 20% there's not a lot of usable energy. It also stresses the battery more when charging from a deep discharge state.
If you insist on charging to 100% at night at least slow charge it to reduce battery strain.
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At 70-100% you'll see much slower charging.
Li's prefer frequent midrange power cycling. It can extend their life by hundreds of full charge cycles. Example 40-70%
I rarely charge to 90-100% usually to 65-82%
I almost discharge below 30%, 40% or so being typical. Below 20% there's not a lot of usable energy. It also stresses the battery more when charging from a deep discharge state.
If you insist on charging to 100% at night at least slow charge it to reduce battery strain.
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i drained it to 0% until it turned off.
After turning back on, i plugged in the 25w charger and it started charging at 4000mA and max 4750 for only a few seconds for the first 10% and after that, it went down and stayed around 3000-3500mA. happy for that for now. So thanks for your input.
Basically, to get fast charging/super fast charging, don't unplug and plug in a few times unless you have to as it will revert to cable charging, and then you'll need to let it drain a little bit (i found, around 10mins ) before plugging it in again to get the fast speeds.
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i drained it to 0% until it turned off.
After turning back on, i plugged in the 25w charger and it started charging at 4000mA and max 4750 for only a few seconds for the first 10% and after that, it went down and stayed around 3000-3500mA. happy for that for now. So thanks for your input.
Basically, to get fast charging/super fast charging, don't unplug and plug in a few times unless you have to as it will revert to cable charging, and then you'll need to let it drain a little bit (i found, around 10mins ) before plugging it in again to get the fast speeds.
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Having the display on skews the charge curve, don't. It will charge slowly or not all if the display is on.
It you turn the display with it the battery page already open you have one or two seconds to see the display off mAh charging rate.
You can easily tell it's fast charging by watching how fast the battery percentage changes with the screen off.
1%@minute or less slow charging
2%@minute fast charging is active
Fast charging will ramp down depending on inputs like temperature and charge percentage the power controller recieves.
If it starts or goes under/over temperature fast charging will disengage for that charge cycle.
It also will ramp up/down sometimes throughout the below 80% range. This is normal.
Being in the optimum battery temperature range at the start and throughout the charge cycle is important but don't go too nuts. Higher is better than lower. Once the battery is below 70°F it will not fast charge as well (or at all) and/or can detrimental to the battery ie Li plating. There maybe other parameters the controller uses as well... not sure.
Oddly the Samsung 25w bricks are very tolerant of low input voltage. They will charge with as little as 60 VAC!
Like a few have said, fast charging like that will degrade your battery faster due to high temps, but the way you use it has a big impact on that. If you fast charge at those speeds to 100% take it off and use it constant until dead, and put it back on the charger then you will deff degrade it faster. Lithium cells need to rest between charge and discharge to let the the temperature settle. If not it's taking a hugh work load wearing down the internal resistance which drops the cells Mah rating.
Yeah, Im guilty of this too many times lol
Manufacturers know this as well but they know people want fast charging and largest battery capacity possible, they could at least make an option to lower the voltage down from 4.20v and a charger allowing us to switch between a few milliamp ratings..
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Like a few have said, fast charging like that will degrade your battery faster due to high temps, but the way you use it has a big impact on that. If you fast charge at those speeds to 100% take it off and use it constant until dead, and put it back on the charger then you will deff degrade it faster. Lithium cells need to rest between charge and discharge to let the the temperature settle. If not it's taking a hugh work load wearing down the internal resistance which drops the cells Mah rating.
Yeah, Im guilty of this too many times lol
Manufacturers know this as well but they know people want fast charging and largest battery capacity possible, they could at least make an option to lower the voltage down from 4.20v and a charger allowing us to switch between a few milliamp ratings..
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You're correct it's best to allow some rest after charging and to not fast charge.
In practice this goes out the window
I do try to keep the voltage down as well as the temperature below 100F. Ambient temperatures here are frequently in the 90's
If I get a year out of this new battery I'm good with that.
However once it's down to 80% of its original capacity it gets replaced to avoid a failure. That's what happened to the original battery and I was lucky it didn't damage the display.
Below is my typical usage and the 10+'s fast charging patterns. The last charge ended with a near ideal battery charging temp of 94F. It fast charged nearly the whole time.
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You're correct it's best to allow some rest after charging and to not fast charge.
In practice this goes out the window
I do try to keep the voltage down as well as the temperature below 100F. Ambient temperatures here are frequently in the 90's
If I get a year out of this new battery I'm good with that.
However once it's down to 80% of its original capacity it gets replaced to avoid a failure. That's what happened to the original battery and I was lucky it didn't damage the display.
Below is my typical usage and the 10+'s fast charging patterns. The last charge ended with a near ideal battery charging temp of 94F. It fast charged nearly the whole time.
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wow that's intense! Battery nerd (in a good way!) I downloaded the app and i've deleted it, i'll just leave it the way i have it for now haha
blackhawk said:
You're correct it's best to allow some rest after charging and to not fast charge.
In practice this goes out the window
I do try to keep the voltage down as well as the temperature below 100F. Ambient temperatures here are frequently in the 90's
If I get a year out of this new battery I'm good with that.
However once it's down to 80% of its original capacity it gets replaced to avoid a failure. That's what happened to the original battery and I was lucky it didn't damage the display.
Below is my typical usage and the 10+'s fast charging patterns. The last charge ended with a near ideal battery charging temp of 94F. It fast charged nearly the whole time.
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Jeez, had that app for a long time until about a year ago... I use AccA on a Rooted Pixel but id say I started using it a bit late.. You know none of this would be an issue if they still used replaceable damn batteries!! Lol My old Bar & Flip phones before color screens lasted days to over a week, and still had spare battery near by... My Startac even had a Solar panel battery
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Jeez, had that app for a long time until about a year ago... I use AccA on a Rooted Pixel but id say I started using it a bit late.. You know none of this would be an issue if they still used replaceable damn batteries!! Lol My old Bar & Flip phones before color screens lasted days to over a week, and still had spare battery near by... My Startac even had a Solar panel battery
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Yeah I have a flip top and S4, takes about 30 seconds to change the batteries. Most of the newer Samsung's aren't that bad to change out the battery once you know a few tricks. Some phones with multiple batteries are bloody nightmares though.
Solar panel? That's pretty funny
One way to limit phone usage.