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[Q] HTC One Charging

I think its common knowledge that the HTC One has a slow charging speed compared to other smartphones.
Thus, since i use my phone all day..on the move, leaving it to charge at a stationary spot is rather annoying, so therefore the only workaround is to charge it overnight and use it during the day. But the problem with this is that it'll be done charging far before the night is over, and stay plugged in, therefore my question is, (or rather two questions)
Does the phone automatically stop charging once it hits 100%? Or does it continue to keep the phone at 100%, reducing the battery life of the phone?

HTC should have included a faster charger. My One takes a few hours to fully charge and doesn't even really charge when I'm using it while charging.
As for your question, I don't have a actual answer but I imagine it maintains the 100% charge by constantly charging it.
Sent from my HTC One

killman2659 said:
HTC should have included a faster charger. My One takes a few hours to fully charge and doesn't even really charge when I'm using it while charging.
As for your question, I don't have a actual answer but I imagine it maintains the 100% charge by constantly charging it.
Sent from my HTC One
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A faster charger wouldn't make a difference as the amount of charge the phone can accept is determined by the phone itself. The phone requests X amount of power, and the charger provides it, as long as it is capable of outputting that X amount. A 2amp charger wouldn't charge the phone faster.
And yes the phone has an intelligent charging chip. It stops charging at 100%, and drip feeds the phone when it detects the battery level going down. On the HTC One X, they did it in a weird way.
The charger goes up to 100%, then lets the phone go down till 95% before starting to charge again. This confused a lot of people as they would unplug their phone at 100%, then 1 phone call/text message later it drops to 95%, showing the real battery level

ArmedandDangerous said:
A faster charger wouldn't make a difference as the amount of charge the phone can accept is determined by the phone itself. The phone requests X amount of power, and the charger provides it, as long as it is capable of outputting that X amount. A 2amp charger wouldn't charge the phone faster.
And yes the phone has an intelligent charging chip. It stops charging at 100%, and drip feeds the phone when it detects the battery level going down. On the HTC One X, they did it in a weird way.
The charger goes up to 100%, then lets the phone go down till 95% before starting to charge again. This confused a lot of people as they would unplug their phone at 100%, then 1 phone call/text message later it drops to 95%, showing the real battery level
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This is exactly what i was looking for, thanks. So it does stop charging at 100%, allowing me to charge it overnight beyond the length of its charge cycle without reducing the battery life?
I understand that dropping down a bit and charging again is better than constantly keeping the battery at 100%, but isnt it technically...still bad for the battery in the long run?

Battery Care compatibility

I just noticed that I only get the batterycare message when I charge the phone before bed via a cable. When I charge it overnight wirelessly it does. It have the message (how it will charge to 90% by 9am or whatever). Does this mean batterycare isn't working when we charge wirelessly?

hey... do you know how you got Battery Care to show up? I have my phone for just almost a week now... I charge long overnight before sleep and wake-up around same timing, but still don't have the Battery Care showing up.... I tried toggling off then ON again before sleeping but still doesn't show up... do you know how I should fix this?
I hope it has nothing to do that it's a fast charger right? the standard fast charger that comes with it.....the QC3.0 one..
Thanks
Cheng

I used an XZ and now use an XZ Premium and have found the Battery Care feature frustrating for the reasons you cite. It only works under fairly narrow conditions. And then it has to "relearn" after a factory reset or firmware flash.
My workaround is plug my phone into a fish aquarium light timer overnight and program it to turn on (begin charging) at a time that results in the phone being at 100% when I wake up. That way the phone doesn't sit on the charger at 100% for hours on end...which is what Battery Care aims to do.
And it works for any phone.
I also use an old Sony Charger from my 2012 Xperia T. It charges really slowly...which results in a lower amount of heat in the battery and hopefully prolongs its lifespan. I don't need fast charging overnight!

I've only been using a wireless charger, "have them all over", since I received the phone and I get the battery care notification when the battery is below 70% otherwise the message doesn't show up.

chili_red said:
I've only been using a wireless charger, "have them all over", since I received the phone and I get the battery care notification when the battery is below 70% otherwise the message doesn't show up.
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I don't use Battery Care,just wireless charging, primarily at night, with a table top fan going all night as well.
During workweek usage, I don't even bother topping off nightly, this phone does well between charges to skip a day &/or, just throw it on the charger when I wake up & take it off on my way out the door for the day. I don't worry about having it @ 100%...,50-60% will get me through a 12hr shift w/room to spare.
Sent from my Sony H8296 using XDA Labs

Supercharge slowing down

Is it normal behavior that supercharge "slows down" as it gets closer to full charge?
I am asking because i have noticed that my 1 month old P20 Pro charges slower even though it displays "supercharging" on the display? Maybe i am imagining things, because the battery was at 89% when i plugged it in.
I have used Ampere to monitor the charging current ant it stayed around 750mA during most of the charge and dropped to 450mA at the end.

Damun said:
Is it normal behavior that supercharge "slows down" as it gets closer to full charge?
I am asking because i have noticed that my 1 month old P20 Pro charges slower even though it displays "supercharging" on the display? Maybe i am imagining things, because the battery was at 89% when i plugged it in.
I have used Ampere to monitor the charging current ant it stayed around 750mA during most of the charge and dropped to 450mA at the end.
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As far as I know, the low battery power of mobile phones is usually due to the fast charging speed. When the charging rate reaches more than 80%, the battery power is close to the full. In order to ensure the safety of use and extend the battery life, when the battery is rapidly charged, the charging current output by the charger will gradually decrease and the charging speed will slow down until it is fully charged. This feeling is normal for you. How long does it take you to charge from 0% to 100%?

Yes - This is generally a safety measure for the battery.
How long does it take from 0% to 50% and as far as I am aware it slows down from 60%

Thanks for your replies bobo and mulkman.
It is reassuring that my device is ok and (hopefully) I am only imagining things
I haven't had the chance to charge from <50% to 100% but I will leave the phone to go below 50% over the next few days and charge it up to 100% and post the result.

Finally my phone discharged enough so i could do some charging.
Started at 44%
Total charge time 66 minutes to 100%.
Supercharge indicated 100% of time.
Meassured approx. every 10 mins (6 time points)

Damun said:
Finally my phone discharged enough so i could do some charging.
Started at 44%
Total charge time 66 minutes to 100%.
Supercharge indicated 100% of time.
Meassured approx. every 10 mins (6 time points)
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Hi!
Check whether the phone and the power adapter are connected properly. And you should use box accessories (original) charger.

[email protected] said:
Hi!
Check whether the phone and the power adapter are connected properly. And you should use box accessories (original) charger.
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Connection is as good as it gets and I use the charger and cable supplied in the box with phone.
Is ~40% - 100% in ~1 hour normal charge speed? (Phone is on, screen off)

Damun said:
Connection is as good as it gets and I use the charger and cable supplied in the box with phone.
Is ~40% - 100% in ~1 hour normal charge speed? (Phone is on, screen off)
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Hi! Was your mobile data on while charging? Because it takes more time when mobile data is on or mobile is heated up.

[email protected] said:
Hi! Was your mobile data on while charging? Because it takes more time when mobile data is on or mobile is heated up.
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Everything was on, but the phone was on WiFi. Temperature of the battery did increase to 32 degrees centigrade (checked in Ampere). The phone is in a original Huawei smart case, which may increase the temperature.

It's probably about right. It slows down at the top. Attaching a couple of charging sessions for comparison. You can see that the percentage per minute decreases when the battery reaches the higher levels of charge. At the rate of the first picture/occasion it would charge the battery in half an hour. But that's not the case since it slows down a lot.

godlike100 said:
It's probably about right. It slows down at the top. Attaching a couple of charging sessions for comparison. You can see that the percentage per minute decreases when the battery reaches the higher levels of charge. At the rate of the first picture/occasion it would charge the battery in half an hour. But that's not the case since it slows down a lot.
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Thanks!
It seems that my phone is behaving normally :fingers-crossed:
BTW I did test it with a new charger/cable and got the same results.

Damun said:
Thanks!
It seems that my phone is behaving normally :fingers-crossed:
BTW I did test it with a new charger/cable and got the same results.
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Good to hear.
Is your phone in one of those TPU case and if so remove it before charging your device.
The charging speed is dependent on the current battery temp so it may throttle if your device gets too hot

mulkman said:
Good to hear.
Is your phone in one of those TPU case and if so remove it before charging your device.
The charging speed is dependent on the current battery temp so it may throttle if your device gets too hot
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My phone is in an original Huawei flip-case. It is made of PU-like plastic/rubber material and must insulate quite a bit.

Damun said:
My phone is in an original Huawei flip-case. It is made of PU-like plastic/rubber material and must insulate quite a bit.
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Yes most definitely.
Have you ever noticed that the phone gets warm during the first 0-70% of its charging cycle.
Towards the end the phone enters trickle charge mode to protect the battery

mulkman said:
Yes most definitely.
Have you ever noticed that the phone gets warm during the first 0-70% of its charging cycle.
Towards the end the phone enters trickle charge mode to protect the battery
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I haven't noticed before. I usually have my phone on the table while charging and i dont pick it up. But when monitoring with Ampere I noticed that the temperature went up.

Charge Limiting to Extend Battery Life

Limiting the battery charge to a fraction (70%-80%) of it's full capacity is a well known way to greatly extend the battery's charge capacity lifetime. There are several (root) apps created to automate this, that stop the phone from charging once a selected charge level is reached. Battery Charge Limit is one (https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002), ACCA is another (https://github.com/MatteCarra/AccA/). So far I have not been successful getting either of those to work with the ROG2. I was wondering if anybody has had any success with those apps or any other way to limit the battery charge on the ROG2?

The Rog phone 2 has its own function that lets you automatically stop charging.
But keep in mind this function is only useful if you are planing to keep the phone connected to a charger 24/7 then it's useful. Otherwise it's worthless if you disconnect your phone once it's 100% charged.
Battery also needs to discharge and recharge to keep it's capacity and function going. If you don't do this it can wear the battery out even if you stop charging at 70-80%.

Jake.S said:
The Rog phone 2 has its own function that lets you automatically stop charging.
But keep in mind this function is only useful if you are planing to keep the phone connected to a charger 24/7 then it's useful. Otherwise it's worthless if you disconnect your phone once it's 100% charged.
Battery also needs to discharge and recharge to keep it's capacity and function going. If you don't do this it can wear the battery out even if you stop charging at 70-80%.
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Most of what you said is wrong.
The ASUS Power Master Battery Care feature slows and delays the charging but still charges to 100%. The feature is only useful if you have a regular charge schedule (which I don't, and DO mostly leave the phone on the charger) and even then, it's still charging to 100%. Repeatably charging a LiPo battery to 100% WILL decrease it's capacity significantly faster than if only partially charged. All phones already slow charging at high charge levels. There is no advantage to discharging the battery.
Read and learn: https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
If you can reference any authority to support your position, I'd love to see it.

MyronAz said:
Most of what you said is wrong.
The ASUS Power Master Battery Care feature slows and delays the charging but still charges to 100%. The feature is only useful if you have a regular charge schedule (which I don't, and DO mostly leave the phone on the charger) and even then, it's still charging to 100%. Repeatably charging a LiPo battery to 100% WILL decrease it's capacity significantly faster than if only partially charged. All phones already slow charging at high charge levels. There is no advantage to discharging the battery.
Read and learn: https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
If you can reference any authority to support your position, I'd love to see it.
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Did you ever know that even authority can be wrong in facts as well? I can confirm that battery feels alot better with discharge and charge than what it is with 100% all time or 70-80%.
How I can confirm is that I have a Microsoft surface Pro 4 and when I kept it on charger at 100% for a day or two the wear level jumped from 0% to 3% but when I discharged it and recharged it after some time then tear level on battery went back to 0% and capacity was back to its full capacity again. So discharge and recharge does not always wear the battery out. It actually makes battery feel better too.
So please don't always believe what internet and what authority States. Since on internet there is alot of false facts and authority gives alot of nonsense facts alot of times too.

Is it really wise to basically degrade your battery by 20% out of the box just so you can have 95% in 2 years? If anything, heat is the greatest factor for degradation. If you're that worried, just use a 2 Amp charger.

dennis96411 said:
Is it really wise to basically degrade your battery by 20% out of the box just so you can have 95% in 2 years? If anything, heat is the greatest factor for degradation. If you're that worried, just use a 2 Amp charger.
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Wise? Absolutely. Is it the perfect solution for everyone? No

dennis96411 said:
Is it really wise to basically degrade your battery by 20% out of the box just so you can have 95% in 2 years? If anything, heat is the greatest factor for degradation. If you're that worried, just use a 2 Amp charger.
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Yes, heat is a factor, but keeping the battery at 100% will degrade the battery faster regardless. If you simply do not need the additional 20% than there is no advantage to charging to 100%. My usage scenario is that the phone is plugged in a lot of the time and I very rarely need the full battery capacity. I've had several phone batteries bloat up under this scenario (and not using any fast charging).
When batteries degrade they don't stop at 80%. They generally keep degrading fairly rapidly. And you don't just lose capacity, as the battery degrades the internal resistance increases, which results in throttling and/or crashing.
BTW on some phones, ACCA will stop charging the battery when it reaches the desired charge level and run the phone entirely from external power.

willhemmens said:
Wise? Absolutely. Is it the perfect solution for everyone? No
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Agreed. If manufacturers still offered replaceable batteries in their flagships, this would be somewhat of a moot point. When dealing with a sealed battery that is expensive and time consuming to replace, it's wise to do everything reasonable to protect the overall lifespan of it.
As for keeping it charged at 100%, I did that once and killed a battery in about 6 months. Not doing that one again.

Guys, it's so nice you are debating over the battery charging metaphysics but it does not help us solve the issue: our rooted phone can not be charged in a smart way using magisk+acc, ACCA or Battery Charge Limit.
Any ideas?

I'm facing issue with my Rog 2, my phone is not charging fast
1. I'm using 18w charger come with the phone to charge
2. I have used Xiaomi 2i power bank with 18w output to charge my phone (still not working)
3. I restart the phone on charging it goes down 36% to 29%
4. On charging when i restart the phone it goes 8% to 13%
5. I'm facing this problem from the yesterday
6. Double plus sign on battery icon as well as fast charging text on home screen is also not showing while charging
What is the issue please help anyone

Submit a bug report to acca and maybe at least someone starts caring for the ROG Phone. The reason why it doesnt work is simply because ASUS does its own stupid thing while charging (thats what happens when 100 OEMs cook their own soup, a mess).
About the battery health:
A battery keeps its best health when its charged between 25-75%, is kept below 30°C and charged as slow as possible. Thats why its wise to stop charging at 80% with a slow charger, especially when you have a big battery anyway that lasts for a day with 80% charge.

Himan99 said:
I'm facing issue with my Rog 2, my phone is not charging fast
1. I'm using 18w charger come with the phone to charge
2. I have used Xiaomi 2i power bank with 18w output to charge my phone (still not working)
3. I restart the phone on charging it goes down 36% to 29%
4. On charging when i restart the phone it goes 8% to 13%
5. I'm facing this problem from the yesterday
6. Double plus sign on battery icon as well as fast charging text on home screen is also not showing while charging
What is the issue please help anyone
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currently facing the same issue and this is the first time in 2 week time. though on the lock screen, it shows fast charging.. but it isnt working smh

apollo3x said:
currently facing the same issue and this is the first time in 2 week time. though on the lock screen, it shows fast charging.. but it isnt working smh
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Change the cable and try also try with different fast charging adapters or fast charging powerbank(mi power bank)
My problem solve by changing the cable
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MyronAz said:
Limiting the battery charge to a fraction (70%-80%) of it's full capacity is a well known way to greatly extend the battery's charge capacity lifetime. There are several (root) apps created to automate this, that stop the phone from charging once a selected charge level is reached. Battery Charge Limit is one (https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002), ACCA is another (https://github.com/MatteCarra/AccA/). So far I have not been successful getting either of those to work with the ROG2. I was wondering if anybody has had any success with those apps or any other way to limit the battery charge on the ROG2?
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Without root any chances
Because i don't want to root my phone

Himan99 said:
Without root any chances
Because i don't want to root my phone
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There is no programmatic way to internally control the charging process without root, however there are some (not as good) alternatives.
First there is an app Accubattery that will give you a notification when the battery reaches a given level, you have to then disconnect the charger manually.
A second way to do this would be to use a smart plug and control it with Tasker. Don't know if anyone has done this but it should be possible.
Another possibility that is not vailable yet would be a kickstarter project called BatteryPal. This is a charging cable that had a bluetooth interface built in to it that would control charging using an app on the phone.They arr saying it will be available March 2020, but who knows.

I'm facing the same situation here. I'm next to a charger most of the time, so I like to use slow charging and not going above 80%. I was used to have battery charge limit installed in all my devices, but found this is not working with the rog phone.

My rog Phone 2 global edition over heats while charging

has anyone found a way even with root? I've tried ACC and some other app but they all done work.

I've also just tried ACC and Battery Charge Limit, but neither worked. It looks like there is something that keeps overwriting the charge control file all the time and allows the battery to charge anyway. Battery Care was disabled while doing this.
I am rooted, so I am able to test any potential solution.

Someone posted on r/rogphone2 a solution for this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ROGphone2/comments/ev0put/hows_this_it_never_reaches_100/
I've just tested it and it works for me.

Does anyone know of a legit charging adapter that isnt fastcharge and doesnt damage the phone or gets damaged itself after a while? I want to charge my phone without fastcharge but cant find a good charger
My old htc m8 charger got damaged after just a few times of using! Seems like the phone drained it dry

Phone is hot while plugged in and @ 100%

While at work, I leave my phone plugged in and charged at all times.
I don't have exact temperatures but I've noticed that it is warm the whole time. Anyone else notice this?

blazinazn said:
While at work, I leave my phone plugged in and charged at all times.
I don't have exact temperatures but I've noticed that it is warm the whole time. Anyone else notice this?
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Are you using the official charger?
Some aftermarket USB C cables can damage your phone or even fry it completely.
If you are using a standard charger, I'm more inclined to say your phone is getting warm because the battery has been charging. If you have hotspot on, that can warm your phone up quite alot too... Basically the more your phone is doing the hotter it can get (Bluetooth/wifi/hotspot etc)
FYI: charging to 80/90% will make your battery last alot longer too, if you plan on keeping it a few years. Charging to 100% is the fastest way to degrade your li-ion battery.
If you are rooted you can limit your charge to 90% but depends if you don't have access to a charger all day you might need that 100%.
Hope that helps.

Demolition49 said:
Are you using the official charger?
Some aftermarket USB C cables can damage your phone or even fry it completely.
If you are using a standard charger, I'm more inclined to say your phone is getting warm because the battery has been charging. If you have hotspot on, that can warm your phone up quite alot too... Basically the more your phone is doing the hotter it can get (Bluetooth/wifi/hotspot etc)
FYI: charging to 80/90% will make your battery last alot longer too, if you plan on keeping it a few years. Charging to 100% is the fastest way to degrade your li-ion battery.
If you are rooted you can limit your charge to 90% but depends if you don't have access to a charger all day you might need that 100%.
Hope that helps.
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Yes, using the official charger. I also failed to mention that I have a case on my phone. Not sure if that is contributing to it.
Is it because charging to 100% counts as a full cycle? I will admit that I'm not up to snuff on battery tech and what the best way to preserve the battery long term. From my past understanding, if you take your battery all the way down and then charge it to 100%, then that was a full cycle. More cycles = degraded battery over time.
Not sure if this still holds true for li-ion batteries today.
Edit: My thought here is to leave it on the charger whenever I can, thus minimizing the cycles I put on the battery.

blazinazn said:
While at work, I leave my phone plugged in and charged at all times.
I don't have exact temperatures but I've noticed that it is warm the whole time. Anyone else notice this?
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blazinazn said:
Yes, using the official charger. I also failed to mention that I have a case on my phone. Not sure if that is contributing to it.
Is it because charging to 100% counts as a full cycle? I will admit that I'm not up to snuff on battery tech and what the best way to preserve the battery long term. From my past understanding, if you take your battery all the way down and then charge it to 100%, then that was a full cycle. More cycles = degraded battery over time.
Not sure if this still holds true for li-ion batteries today.
Edit: My thought here is to leave it on the charger whenever I can, thus minimizing the cycles I put on the battery.
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My suggestion is download accubattery, it will tell you your battery temperature and also it calculates the degredation and health of your battery. It will also explain how many cycles of wear you are adding to the phone.
Back in the old days with nickel cadimium batteries you needed to do the whole 0-100 thing, that was good for battery memory... But modern day lithium batteries actually are better being topped off and kept between 20-80% in an ideal world. So deep discharges and high % charges wear out your battery significantly faster... This is why electric cars often limit charge, by doing this they can extend the life of the battery cells quite dramatically.... but if you are upgrading yearly, don't worry about it.
Here is an article that will help you.
EDIT: try charging with and without the case and see if it gets hot, definitely cases can be an insulator. You can monitor temp in accubattery.
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/how-to-improve-battery-life-tips-myths-smartphones

The idea that there is a set number of charging cycles for a particular battery, and every time you charge the phone you use up one of those cycles regardless of how much it charges (ie a 10% charge and a 100% charge both use one charging cycle) isn't how modern cell phone batteries work.
As noted, it is best to not charge your phone to 100%, nor do you want to discharge your battery to 0%. It is best to charge it more frequently for a smaller amount of charge each time as well. So charging a phone 10% ten times is better for the better than charging the battery once for 100%.
Heat is also a huge problem with batteries and the hotter a battery gets, the shorter life expectancy it will have. So definitely look into the issue.
If rooted, there are a couple of Magisk modules that control charging. They usually will automatically pause charging if the battery gets too high of a temp. Once a preset time has passed, it will restore charging again. The idea being that the pause in charging will allow the battery temps to drop. You can also limit the battery max charge to another value other than 100% if you want. 80% max charge is suppose to be the sweet spot for battery longevity, but anything less than 100% is going to add life to your battery.

Just so you know the phone does not charge to 100% or allow you to discharge the battery completely. Your phone just shows that you are at 100% when charged as much as allowed and discharged as much as allowed when you reach 0% charge. The partial charge thing no longer has much of any effect since the phone is doing it for you already but the internet hasn't' caught up to that yet. These chargers do stop charging at full and your phone should not be warm if it's charged but unused. So... are you using while on the charger? That's not a great idea because it's going to kick it into charge over and over. The fellow above was correct about using proper cables, I'm not sure that's much of a problem anymore but there still may be some ringers on Amazon and elsewhere. You could also have something discharging the battery enough to get it to charge continuously or close enough to it to warm the phone up over time, a wake lock can do it for example. Those can keep the phone on charge enough to warm it up.
In general with charging it's going to be best to keep your charging and total cycles down because capacity loss during charging is a real issue due to physical deterioration and transfer of materials in the battery caused during the charge. You would be better served by allowing it to discharge at least somewhat and only charging as needed rather than keeping it plugged in. Since you're at work it should be fairly easy to plan your charging so that you'll be able to get through the day without the constant charge. Not saying wait until it dies and then charge, that would be inconvenient, just that you would get more life if you reduced your charge cycles.
No matter what your phone is getting warm something needs to be addressed if it's doing so when not used but plugged in. The charger should stop for long periods and the phone should be cool after the charge completes.