tl; dr: The Kensington Keyfolio Pro 2 Universal has a great keyboard, which is easy to touch type on, but the case adds a lot of bulk to the Nexus 10, and is a bit floppy.
This review is going to be similar in vein to the Jalopnik "will it baby?" car reviews. After the arrival of our (human) baby recently, I was looking for a device which I could use to entertain myself and perhaps do (very) light work on while holding the baby. My usual 15" 1920x1080 laptop is great, but is just not manageable with one hand, particularly when the other is holding a squirming infant. I narrowed my choices down to either the Nexus 10 or an 11" chromebook. I decided to get the Nexus 10, mostly because of the existing base of Android apps.
I'm a Unix system administrator so I live at the command line. Hacker's Keyboard with prediction disabled and just the right amount of haptic feedback makes the Nexus 10 a barely good enough ssh terminal. I found that I could carry the Nexus 10 around, but when I had to do some kind of command line thing on a server that I was waiting until I could get back to my laptop, which defeated the purpose of buying a new device. So, I decided I needed a bluetooth keyboard case.
Reading the forum here and other reviews, it became clear that the same keyboard used in very similar cases by Poetic, MoKo, and others was not that good. I already have a difficult to type on bluetooth keyboard by Azio. There is also the snap-on style keyboard by MiniSuit and others, which is its own case, and the tablet is supported in a groove. That also gets mediocre reviews. To me, it appears to perhaps be a quality issue, in that some people say it holds their tablet securely and works well, while others say that they tablet is loose. Re: the squirmy infant, I need something that holds the tablet well enough that a wayward foot won't cause adult crying.
I settled on the Kensington Keyfolio Pro 2 Universal. Mostly because I could get it locally from Walmart for $60 (using site-to-store, because it's $90 in store, but $60 online). Then, if I didn't like it I could easily return it, and still be testing it in the return window for the Nexus 10 itself.
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The keyboard is the best part of this case. It has smaller than standard chiclet style keys, but is very easy to touch type on. The keys are pretty much all in the standard places. No page-up/page-down or home/end, but arrows, ctrl, alt, and some Android specific keys are there. With no special apps to handle a hardware keyboard the special keys for home, back, search, menu, volume+, volume-, and contacts all work perfectly. The keys for email, web, music, and mute do not work. The gap between the keys is just large enough for me to not hit multiple keys by accident, which was my biggest complaint about the Azio keyboard. One handed typing (in my case the other hand is baby managing) is as passable as can be expected for somebody who is a quick touch typist. The keyboard being small actually helps, and the hard keys are easier to use than on screen ones.
The keyboard works great in VX ConnectBot while ssh-ed to a Unix server. Control, Alt (meta), Escape, and the arrow keys all work as expected once I enabled the hardware keyboard option in VX ConnectBot. Running emacs in an ssh session is a total non-issue, and works perfectly.
The case is the low point of this setup. It's not terrible, but isn't everything I could want. The keyboard is removable and attaches by magnets into the case. It is very secure, and doesn't easily pop out, which is something I was worried about. Unfortunately with the strong keyboard magnets, there is no magnet to sleep the Nexus 10. Perhaps when I get a chance I'll pull apart an old hard disk and put a magnet in the right spot.
The Nexus 10 is held in by velcro backed rubber pieces which hold the corners. It was a bit fiddly to get the Nexus 10 installed, and if you're OCD you'll spend lots of time getting it centered and straight. I didn't really care, so it's just stuck in there. In the baby related upsetting of the case and tablet, it's not fallen out. One of the rubber pieces does cover the sleep/wake/power button in the corner. It can still be activated by pressing the rubber piece itself. The volume rocker is unobstructed. Fortunately, once the keyboard is paired, pressing any key will wake the tablet. If left on, the keyboard will go to sleep, so the first keypress will wake the keyboard, and the second will wake the tablet.
When closed, the case is about 1.5" thick, and total weight is 2.66 pounds. The rubber corner pieces seem to keep the keys from hitting the screen.
There is an elastic strap to keep it closed. I won't worry about sticking it in my motorcycle luggage when I'm back at work.
The case is lapable. It's floppy, so your lap will have to be somewhat level, because if it tilts too far back, the Nexus 10 will fall backwards. There is velcro at the bottom edge of the Nexus 10 vertical which holds it to the horizontal piece of the case. Where you attach it allows a bit of adjustment of the viewing angle. The screen on the Nexus 10 is so good, that a few degrees of difference doesn't matter for viewing. The hold is not strong enough to allow great one handed moving of the case in the open position. It will flop into a completely horizontal position, and will pop back upright when set on a solid surface.
In summary, will it baby? The case can hold the tablet in a reading position next to me on the couch while both hands are involved with the baby. It is easy to type on with both hands. When one hand is available, it can be moved to my left or right with some flopping and adjustment.
I'm posting a brief followup after having the keyboard for nearly four weeks. When I first got it I charged it to full, and have not recharged it since then. I leave it on all the time and let it go to sleep on its own. I use it everyday, often for several hours, and the power light just now began to flash, indicating a low charge. I think that is excellent battery life.
Some reviews of other bluetooth keyboards report that keys will repeat. Occasionally this one does that, but turning the keyboard off and on again fixes the problem. It doesn't happen very frequently, and is easy to fix when it does.
A more worrisome problem is that the glue connecting the velcro to the rubber corner pieces has weakened, letting the rubber pieces slide off the velcro. I've seen that others have reported similar problems with this case. If it continues to be an issue, I'll have to contact Kensington to see what they're willing to do about it.
Followup followup:
It's been a while, but I thought I'd add this to the record, just for completeness. The glue holding the velcro to two of the corner pieces weakened and the velcro slid off. I re-glued the velcro with Barge glue, and it hasn't come off since. I contacted Kensington about the problem, and they sent me a whole new Keyfolio case without any hassle, so now I have a spare.
In the end, Kensington stood behind their product, though I'm sure the new one has the same design flaw of poor quality glue.
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as promised, here are the pictures we were talking about on the other topic.
i've been using it for 3 months now, i doubt you'll find another case that fits as perfect as the SGP well worth the $20
it comes with a screen protector as well
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pictures taken from Nexus S
Thanks for the pix! Now that I see how it covers the chrome bezel, I am likely to pick one up. I have several dings in my bezel, and a nice case might be just the ticket.
Rearth Ringke - Silicone Case for Motorola Motoroi XT720
I just noticed this one while looking at the SGP (Also available in bright purple). It seems to crawl further over the screen and covers/protects some buttons. Anyone know what the big button next to the volume buttons does on the Motoroi?
Mioze7Ae said:
I just noticed this one while looking at the SGP (Also available in bright purple). It seems to crawl further over the screen and covers/protects some buttons. Anyone know what the big button next to the volume buttons does on the Motoroi?
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very nice find
However.... according to the pictures, and my SGP case
it seems to point out the 4 touch buttons will be under the plastic
but never the less, it's a very good alternative, specially the purple colour one
Mioze7Ae said:
I just noticed this one while looking at the SGP (Also available in bright purple). It seems to crawl further over the screen and covers/protects some buttons. Anyone know what the big button next to the volume buttons does on the Motoroi?
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It looks like a voice command button. Whatever it is, it is definitely missing from the XT720
AllGamer said:
very nice find
However.... according to the pictures, and my SGP case
it seems to point out the 4 touch buttons will be under the plastic
but never the less, it's a very good alternative, specially the purple colour one
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I think that's not too big a problem since the case is silicone, so I suspect you can press the buttons. They seem to thin the case out there so that the lights show through. They do something similar with all the other buttons, too (volume etc). They're covered with a thiner region of silicone. The only holes are the proximity sensors, and where jacks go in (headphones, USB, HDMI, speaker, microphone, strap) and whatever that big button-looking thing is that isn't on our phone. The korean text says "DMB" there which based on some quick googling refers to the Motoroi's TV tuner--it's strange that everything else is covered, so perhaps that's a place you attach an antenna or something. It's interesting. I sort of feel like the silicone coming so close to the edge of the screen might interfere with using the scrollbar depending on how "sticky" the silicone is.
Got mine from Ebay. Very fast Delivery. 7 days from Korea to Singapore.
hey guys,
there's a new case design from SGP, it looks really interesting. have a look here.
Code:
http://www.exportprive.com/valencia-swarovski-crystal-leather-case-motoroi-xt720-white-p-13624.html
how abt org a bulk purchase for SG users...
@Spiderx_mm: look nice
@hermes76: good idea, i can safely say that non of the HP shops here sell case for our phone. The should know that not everyone using I'crap'Phone.
1. count me in
the gap thats ontop of the volume buttons is for the DMB button
aka Digital media broadcast button aka tv button
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Multimedia_Broadcasting
yeap, most Japanese phones and Korean phones have build in TVs
for times cases exactly like what is happening right now in Japan
the TV does not require 3G, it is over the air like good old antennae TV, but it's Digital
Count me in too,if u guys are serious abt ordering the sgp case altogether.
How much did u pay in total?(Including every single cost) in Sing dollars?
For those who wants to order the SGP ultra capsule for Motoroi, better buy the new black leather case also from SGP. The rubber capsule doesn't look and feel as premier as the phone, so you decide.
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How much did u pay in total?(Including every single cost) in Sing dollars?
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Total i pay US$39.99 (Case = 19.99 + EMS shipping =20.00) = S$59+ .
Better buy when US$ rate drop.
Exchange rate: http://www.xe.com/ucc/
+1 recommendation
Just thought I would put my 2 cents in, the case is great and fits very well, I got one from korea through ebay and it came with a screen protector which is also really good. Very sturdy best case I have ever had for a phone.
One thing to keep in mind, the extra distance that the usb flap has to travel caused mine to fall off, not really an issue for me as I found it a little annoying but I would still like it to be on my phone if given a choice. Also the phone "feels" a little plasticy once you install it, it is a totally psychological thing but the phone does not feel as elegant once its on.
All in all tops
Oh, so I got this a little bit ago finally after about 5 weeks shipping. The case itself was a good fit for the most part, except for on the side where one part was popping out and not fitting tightly on like the rest of the case. Whether this was something to do with the way the case was packaged/stored or some other reason I don't know. After working with and trying to squeeze that part to fit, it's not as bad -though it still sticks out a bit. Probably will be fully gone once I wrap something around it and leave it on for a good little while (like an elastic wound tightly would probably do it).
Other than that, the case fits well. But the places around openings (i.e. camera button, power button, etc...) seem roughly cut and unpolished, though it isn't a very big deal, just slight quibble (and may just be mine).
The screen protector which comes with it is not as special as advertised I think, but it does the job and has a good smooth feel to it - and cleans more easily, so I like it.
The thing is, while the case looks nice, fits nice etc... the phone just looks and feels so much better without it on (slimmer, sleeker, nicer to hold etc...), so when I don't need the protection I take it off. But definitely a worthwhile purchase nonetheless.
I am getting my xt720 this week and am now looking for a case. i would really like to get a sgp capsule in black, though it seems like they discontinued this colour and now only sell blue and red.
any news on that front?
thx
I just bought a Nook last week and needed a case but didnt exactly want to drop 30 dollars on a case I might not even like.
There were no reviews for this case so I was wary on buying it, it just came in the mail and I can confirm its definitely great.
All the buttons are accessible, the audio speaker is covered however. The picture frame-ish flap to keep it in portrait and landscape modes works great in landscape but its a little low and wobbly in portrait. I'm ok with that though.
There's even a magnet on it to keep it out of the way. All in all I am happy for the price. My screen protector cost more than it.
I cant post links yet because I mostly lurk, but if you google "khomo case nook color amazon" you'll get it as the first result.
Just wanted to pass on a good deal!
Thanks mate,
that looks like exactly what I have been wanting! And $13 - can't beat the price.
Looks pretty nice. Definelty looks worth the admission fee.
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How does the stand work? Does it lock into place somehow? Or does it just "balance"?
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How does the stand work? Does it lock into place somehow? Or does it just "balance"?
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It doesn't show it in the amazon pictures, and I was actually concerned about this too assuming it was just going to flap around and be worthless. Its got a little cloth strap to hold it in place, here are some pictures. (just realized I can add images as attachments.)
Also when its NOT in use there's a magnet on it so it holds it flush against the case.
Thanks for the pics mate! Really helps to explain it.
A few other quick questions if you have time:
1) Hows the build quality? I have a cheap one from ebay which is pretty loose and slides out the top in portrait mode.
2) How useful is the stand in portrait given the low viewing angle?
3) Are there holes at the back for the speaker?
Thanks a heap once again for bringing this case to our attention. I'm in a bit of a pickle at the moment as because amazon doesn't ship directly to me, I have to use a mail forwarder, which makes it something like $31...for that price I was thinking of going with the roocase easy view, especially if the stand in portrait mode doesn't really work properly.
cheers
1) Build quality is alright. Everything is great but the stand in the back is not super strong. Its very snug in the enclosure though.
2)Portrait mode isnt too great, it leans really far back and isnt too stable, landscape is the best really.
3) there are not.
if you have to use a mail forwarder and it comes out to the same price as the roocase, get the roocase. This one is just a cheap alternative for me.
Thanks for the reply
I can get the roocase for $38 delivered, so this is probably not worth it for me.
Cant go wrong if you're getting it for $13 though!
cheers, thanks again.
I had the rooCase and wasn't very happy with it. It wasn't as stable as I thought it should be for the money, and it only handled portrait mode. The hinge started to tear after just a couple of weeks. I must say though that returning it and getting a refund was very easy.
Are you able to type / tap on it in landscape mode, or is it more just for viewing?
Landscap is fine to tap on, though portrait its pretty much going to fall over if you push on it hah.
Here's another case that less than $20 shipped:
http://www.amazon.com/CrazyOnDigita...TF8&coliid=I3RDRQ6QU0UQTP&colid=1RFCYIM3A0T3N
I'm waiting on this guy (not as cheap, but I got 15% by googling "javoedge coupon):
http://www.javoedge.com/reflexeshop/productCatalog/getProduct.do?poid=3171&pbmId=18384
I saw one of their more girly (flowery) cases on Amazon, and even as something I wouldn't have carried around, it struck me as more my style than a lot of what I've seen. I went to the their site, and there are a ton more designs that have that same casual vibe without the flowers.
I have had the Khomo NC case for over a month and wrote the following review on it, which is worth reading so you know the limitations of the case and are not disappointed with the features. I now have three cases and one silicone skin for the thing, plus a minicell foam stand, but I am still looking for the ideal case, which would one that folds to make a portrait or landscape stand and does not add much length or width.
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Khomo Nook Color Case
I bought this case for two reasons. One was the size. It is not as large as other book-type folding cases so only adds a little over a half inch to the length and width of the NC so I could still fit it in a pocket, unlike the other two folding cases I have.
The other reason was that this case has a picture-frame type flap that allows the NC to be stood up vertically or horizontally. It is flimsy, but works as long as you don't jab at the NC too hard and knock it over. And a little magnet in the flap keeps it against the case when not in use, which is nice.
Note that the product description says it only works horizontally. You can see that the flap is cut such that it should work vertically, too, like a picture frame. However, the flap is cut incorrectly such that when it is used vertical, it leans and is likely to fall over. Trimming the flap to the correct angle fixed this, though, and then it can be used vertically, but you really have to be careful or it can still fall over due to how small and flimsy the flap is.
The BIG problem with the flap is that it is mounted the wrong way for landscape use if you use a video player or play landscape games like Angry Birds. It puts the NC button on the left which makes the display upside-down since all the android video players and most landscape mode games require that the button be on the right side. That's a big problem and there is no way to fix it. Browsers, email, and other android apps work fine on the NC in landscape mode in either direction, though. Video players inside a browser, like YouTube, work too.
The bottom line is that this case works okay if you don't expect to prop it up while you watch videos (or play games), and since that is the reason most people would buy a stand for this type of device, it's a big fail. But if you don't expect to do this, it works fine as a case and deserves a 3 star rating despite the flimsy and miscut flap since it is handy and does protect the NC. If you want to use a video player or play games while the NC is propped in the case, though, it is a one-star product and you will be returning it as soon as you find that the stupid flap is mounted incorrectly.
phoneturf said:
The bottom line is that this case works okay if you don't expect to prop it up while you watch videos (or play games), and since that is the reason most people would buy a stand for this type of device, it's a big fail. But if you don't expect to do this, it works fine as a case and deserves a 3 star rating despite the flimsy and miscut flap since it is handy and does protect the NC. If you want to use a video player or play games while the NC is propped in the case, though, it is a one-star product and you will be returning it as soon as you find that the stupid flap is mounted incorrectly.
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That's basically my beef with the case.
Again, my case isn't super cheap, but it's cheaper than most of the B&N cases, and working great as a stand. It's more versatile in portrait than landscape mode (landscape the cover flap has to stick out somewhere, either to the side or at an angle), but it stays where you put it.
I like it!
I ordered http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004OB0EBQ/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00 in hopes it'd work with my Nexus 7... and it works beautifully. $9.48 shipped isn't a bad deal!
speednub said:
I ordered http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004OB0EBQ/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00 in hopes it'd work with my Nexus 7... and it works beautifully. $9.48 shipped isn't a bad deal!
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Nice, usb to micro adaptor?
Doesn't make sense why they just slapped on a normal USB and not just added a small micro USB connector. Honestly they could have integrated the cable behind the screen and used a 90 degree micro USB to make a fairly seamless design.
yup!
I agree. But it's china made, and i think its totally worth it for the price.
Is there a way to conceal the USB cables? I'm looking for a case with a keyboard but I don't want it to look that jumbled
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yup!
I agree. But it's china made, and i think its totally worth it for the price.
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Except there's no way to connect it on it's own.
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Doesn't make sense why they just slapped on a normal USB and not just added a small micro USB connector. Honestly they could have integrated the cable behind the screen and used a 90 degree micro USB to make a fairly seamless design.
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i bought the same case and it arrived already. havent got my nexus yet but it should arrive next week. the case works with my galaxy note though. its not a bad case, but its not a full size keyboard, so the keys are a bit smaller and squished together. it has decent tactility when typing, and overall is quite usable for a portable keyboard case. it can take a while to adapt to it if you're normally used to a full size keyboard.
the only major gripe i have with mine is that the keys are recessed, not raised. so for people like me, who normally use the side of their thumb for the spacebar, you may find that you'll keep hitting leather unless you raise their hands to tap the spacebar.
i'll probably only use it when im out and about or when im at work. when im at home, i can just hook up my ducky cherry red mechanical keyboard via usb on the go for full backlit fullsized keyboard goodness. but i feel like this keyboard case is $10 well spent.
oh and the reason why they didnt have it going straight to microusb is to maintain compatibility with other devices that may have their own proprietary connectors and devices that have a full sized usb port. this way, they'll only need to give you a different adapter cable (usb on the go) rather than having to mass produce different keyboards with different cables. ive got a right angled usb on the go adapter so it doesnt look as bad as the one in the pics previously posted.
overall i'd give the case a 7 out of 10. its fairly decent quality for the price, and does a good job of turning a tablet (or a phablet like my galaxy note) into a netbook. it doesnt have the backup battery function or usb ports or tight fit that you would see in the keyboard dock of the asus transformer series, but considering the price, would you really expect it to?
How good does the case hold the Nexus? It looks to only have through grapple points, but surely the Nexus could just slide out.
I will be moving around a bit with the nexus, and have it in my bag, etc.
I would hate to drop it....
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How good does the case hold the Nexus? It looks to only have through grapple points, but surely the Nexus could just slide out.
I will be moving around a bit with the nexus, and have it in my bag, etc.
I would hate to drop it....
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the grabble points are fairly stiff. from the way they feel, i believe theyre metal (probably aluminium as they are bendable with a bit of effort) coated in leather. The top grapple point is also aluminium coated in leather and it is also spring loaded to hold it in place and to allow it to be adjustable for different width tablets. because of the spring, the clamping force is at its peak when the top grapple point is at its highest, but i probably wouldnt rely on that alone to hold a device in place if you place it in a bag that you tend to throw around a lot. if you wrap your nexus in a TPU or silicone case before putting it in this case, then that will assist in keeping the device in place a bit better. the grip would be better if these grapple points were coated in TPU or silicone instead, but its good enough for the price.
but this is from my experimenting with my galaxy note though. according to google, my nexus 7 should arrive sometime this week so i wont be able to provide you guys with more hands on info until later this week.
I purchased this after reading about it here. I am actually slightly impressed with the idea; typing on a keyboard that small isn't the best idea, but it is also not that bad. As long as I remember to type a bit slower than I want to try to type, I can do rather well -- and the keys are a bit mushy regardless.
The clip doesn't hold the Nexus 7 in very well at all, though; one of my photos shows how you can just slide it in and out. Also, it is giant -- bigger than the Nexus 7 in all dimensions, and 3 or 4 times as thick altogether when closed (with the Nexus 7 inside.) However -- it was only $10. I might pull it apart and tinker with it later; for this price, I regret nothing, but wouldn't really recommend it.
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Is there a stylus that can be used with an N7 for finer drawing than I can do with my finger?
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app
Unfortunately, this is the flaw of capacitive touch: it is less accurate, because you can't use a very thin object like a pen or something.
Samsung went close with its S-Pen on Galaxy Note, but it's another story... it doesn't work on our N7.
I've just read that the C-Pen from SGS3 works, but that's still pretty big.
I'm currently using a super cheapo stylus I found on campus, but, from my reading, the best experience seems to come from something like the Cosmonaut:
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That, coupled with the pinch-zoom in Sketchbook Pro, should allow for some natural sketching. If you're looking to do fine note-taking or something, it may not be what you're looking for, but my style of sketching lends itself to this solution.
Please post what you decide to use, I am interested in seeing other Nexus 7 artists' choices.
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Is there a stylus that can be used with an N7 for finer drawing than I can do with my finger?
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It depends on what you mean by "finer".
Capacitive touch screens have no pressure sensing, and the precision with which touches are detected is also low. These are separate issues.
Pressure Sensing or Lack Thereof.
Because of the lack of pressure sensing from the screen, there is no way for an app to use the touchscreen alone to modify the pen stroke width (or opacity) during a single stroke (although there are apps that apply changes after a single stroke has been completed, or rely on timing to make the beginning/middle/end of each stroke fatter/thinner/more opaque). Obviously that depends on the application - usually it corresponds to a specific pen effect selection. You can always use the app itself to manually select whatever pen width you want to draw with, in conjunction with zooming to the area of interest, as the previous respondent mentioned. Compared to drawing naturally though, it's a lot of zooming/unzooming and pen selection changes.
I think that the Samsung S-Pen uses either NFC or Bluetooth to communicate pen pressure; but until an Android app publisher integrates BT pens into their app, you are out of luck for pen pressure on the N7. Adonit sells a Bluetooth stylus for iOS; perhaps one day an Android app publisher will integrate with something like that. Note that this is rather an odd scenario though - buying a $100 stylus to use with a $200 tablet.
Positional Accuracy
A fat finger isn't very accurate, but it turns out the touch screen itself isn't very accurate either. If you only use a fat finger, you'll never notice the lack of screen touch resolution. But as soon as you do find a workable stylus with a thin tip, you will notice that you can't do things like normal handwriting at the scale you are used to (using a normal pen/pencil) with any legibility. That's part of the reason you see stylus devices with such fat bodies/tips; it's not necessarily about grip comfort: the smaller the tip is, the lower the capacitance it has, so the screen has a harder time detecting narrow tips. To write legibly in a small text, you have to zoom way in and then write in huge loopy strokes. I've tried a few note-taking apps, and I have come to the conclusion that I can take notes using pencil and paper about 10x faster than using a touchpad. You lose a lot of time constantly panning the screen around/zooming, and even if that were not the case, the fact that you need to make large strokes slows you down. The only advantage a tablet has in this scenario is mark-up of existing documents. (Since you asked about drawing, I'm not sure if this is important to you).
You'll find a lot of Apple fanbois singing the praise of the Adonit Jot stylii - Adonit attacked the problem of "too small a stylus tip" by putting a disc of metal inside a transparent disc that is on the end of a fine metallic tip. The disc can rotate freely on the end of a little "knob" at the end of the stylus. So you can see the end of your stylus with good precision, compared to using a big fat stylus. Kind of spendy though - $15 - $20; maybe that's what makes the Apple cult happy. Sometimes the little plastic disc seems to lose contact with the stylus and your strokes no longer register, or stutter intermittently - it happened with mine within 3 days of buying this stylus. (I've seen suggestions from folks that silver paste be used in the ball joint between the stylus and the disc; perhaps dry graphite lubricant might work too - it needs to be something which is electrically conductive). Also, some people find the clicking noise between the stylus disc and the screen annoying.
Anyhow, food for thought. If you want to save money, buy online (You can find 3 per dollar sets on Amazon). Remember that the only thing that a passive stylus needs to do is:
(a) be somewhat conductive from your hand contact all the way to the tip
(b) be comfortable to grip
(c) not scratch your screen.
Probably that could be satisfied with an item that costs less than 10 cents to manufacture.
cheers
There are other choices besides the jot styles but I do like that brand. I have a normal size one for the Nexus and a smaller one for my phone. They don't compare to devices which have a special additional layer in the screen and work with a dedicated stylus. My HTC Evo View 4G (and is wifi only sibling the Flyer) can't be matched by a capacitance screen in any way. HTC also made a 10" tablet. The Galaxy Note 2 has a dual screen also. But mostly there just aren't any options to do delicate input on Android devices (or iDevices for that matter.)
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bftb0 said:
I think that the Samsung S-Pen uses either NFC or Bluetooth to communicate pen pressure [...]
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As far as I know Samsung adds a special digitizer by wacom for their Note devices so it's basically a proper wacom tablet. That's what I heard when they launched the first Galaxy Note anyway.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008M2GJ12/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00
I got that one a couple of weeks ago and its awesome, it has an actual pen under the cap too and it looks like a fancy pen.
Dagi Capacitive stylus. It comes with a 4gb thumb drive and the tip is very accurate. You can Find it on ebay. I find the tip very accurate while drawing and coloring.
A lot depends on the app as well, have a look for Markers on Play which is a freehand drawing app that will vary line thickness with pressure (or more likely coverage) even with your finger.
Troute said:
A lot depends on the app as well, have a look for Markers on Play which is a freehand drawing app that will vary line thickness with pressure (or more likely coverage) even with your finger.
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Yep. Some of the pen selections in different apps have something which is called "pressure", but what they do is simply "bleed" bigger and bigger if you keep the stylus in one spot... kind of like the way a fountain pen will create a blot just by leaving it in one spot for too long. The slower the stroke, the fatter the line thickness. Not pressure, though. The same effect can be created in a single stroke, but you have to move the stylus more slowly rather than pressing harder.
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As far as I know Samsung adds a special digitizer by wacom for their Note devices so it's basically a proper wacom tablet. That's what I heard when they launched the first Galaxy Note anyway.
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Thanks for the correction - that sure looks right. Here's someone on XDA that did a S-Pen teardown. Based on the fact there's no battery and there appears to be a magnetic pickup coil, it sure looks like Wacom technology.
I guess that means those screens have both a capacitive sensor array *and* the raster-scanned Wacom EMR grid.
Not obvious where the pressure sensor is in that teardown photo, but Wacom says they are doing exactly that.
There seems to be zero magnets on this thing, so it slides around when I close it.
https://imgur.com/a/AsH5MFS
Also the thing is unusable on a lap.
Thing is wobby like crazy.
https://imgur.com/a/44tGC2h
outside of the TouchPad this feels like a overall downgrade from last years... bummer.
I felt same way, its clicks securely in place but then moves around when holding it while walking. It feels much weaker magnet than Tab S3. S Pen falls off Tab S6, they should have used stronger magnets. The S Pen entire body should hold magnets
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There seems to be zero magnets on this thing, so it slides around when I close it.
https://imgur.com/a/AsH5MFS
Also the thing is unusable on a lap.
Thing is wobby like crazy.
https://imgur.com/a/44tGC2h
outside of the TouchPad this feels like a overall downgrade from last years... bummer.
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Feels solid to me. Doesn't move like this at all. Probably it is good idea to check your unit, maybe it's a manufacturing defect.
And one question - how did you manage to get text suggestions typing on a physical keyboard? I'm looking for this a lot. Thank you
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Feels solid to me. Doesn't move like this at all. Probably it is good idea to check your unit, maybe it's a manufacturing defect.
And one question - how did you manage to get text suggestions typing on a physical keyboard? I'm looking for this a lot. Thank you
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I can't get that working for the samsung keyboard, but i get suggestions with swiftkey.
I agree, the keyboard cover is a disappointment. I was looking forward to the trackpad on the new case, but am disappointed in the "floppyness". My tab S3 and keyboard were much more functional to use in the hands, on the lap, while on the couch etc. This is impossible to use unless sitting on a table.
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My other thought was I used to be able to pickup my tab s3 and keyboard case as one solid unit, like a small laptop, and move it, like from one room to another. This is a floppy mess to move around.
Yeah... I'm thinking ill return this and wait for the tab s7. s4 still is solid imo.
cdig said:
There seems to be zero magnets on this thing, so it slides around when I close it.
https://imgur.com/a/AsH5MFS
Also the thing is unusable on a lap.
Thing is wobby like crazy.
https://imgur.com/a/44tGC2h
outside of the TouchPad this feels like a overall downgrade from last years... bummer.
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For me, this year's keyboard cover is a significant upgrade over previous years.
The phone can now finally recognise when the cover is opened, and now wakes the device as we've been accustomed to for years with our phones. No previous Tab Sx keyboard cover had this ability.
The way the tablet remains permanently connected to the case is superior to the design of previous years. Previously, one had to connect the tablet to the case pins whenever one wanted to use the keyboard, which made for a lot of wear and tear on those connectors. Now, you plug the tablet in once and leave it there.
The stylus can now be safely stowed inside the case, rather than attached to the edge with a fragile clip that can get caught on things and pulled off. This is so much better than the system that the Tab S3 and S4 had.
The hinged flap at the back makes it possible to use the tablet in a variety of viewing angles, which is flexibility we didn't have before. I don't really like the way that opening the flap exposes the back of the tablet, but at least it's a trade-off for the viewing angle, rather than an outright step backwards.
Either the plastic of this keyboard is softer than that of the Tab S4 or the glass of the Tab S6 is harder than its predecessor's, because the tiny scratches that would appear around the edge of the Tab S4's screen seem to be a thing of the past on this new device.
I loathe touchpads, so I've disabled that, as I do on all the laptops I ever buy. If the touchpad couldn't be disabled, I would have called that a step backwards, but since it's configurable, it's a neutral feature for me and an upgrade for some.
The main thing wrong with this keyboard cover from my point of view is its ludicrous price. The way things are going, one or two years from now the keyboard cover will cost the same as a lower end phone or tablet. As it is, it adds nearly 25% to the price of the Tab S6 in some markets.
The one physical feature I don't like is that the moulding of the stylus storage compartment makes it impossible to lay the device flat on a table. The incline isn't so bad that it's a hindrance, but it takes a little getting used to after years of flat usage.
To clarify, I have the normal book cover keyboard and it isn't nearly as loose as this, it holds very well.
I am sure I read this before although can't find it.
The onboard keyboard doesn't show if the keyboard is connected, so if you have the keyboard folded around the back the tablet is unuseable. Am I doing something wrong.
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I am sure I read this before although can't find it.
The onboard keyboard doesn't show if the keyboard is connected, so if you have the keyboard folded around the back the tablet is unuseable. Am I doing something wrong.
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see this tread on Samsung
https://us.community.samsung.com/t5...S6-Physical-vs-On-Screen-Keyboard/td-p/822651
My issue is that when I have the keyboard attached, I swing it to the back and it gets disabled but then I can't get the on-screen keyboard to work. I have to detach the keyboard to get it to even show up. Anyone else?
keyboard icon works fine in dex ode which is what I'm using most of the time with the keyboard case. Gotta say even tho I do wish the case closed more solid, I'm really loving this case. I like the tear off,, leaving the kickstand on which holds pen and acts as a grip. Never even bought one for s4 due to lack of track pad. How anyone works on an ipad without a mouse I have no idea.
Also for me it works fine in my lapt, just like my old Surface Pro.
So far I'm really loving this tab, sitting here playing game in one windw, spotify running in back and reading up on xda.
My problem has been getting the back to stay connected. The part with the kickstand relies on micro-suction cups to stay in place. I've been through 3 keyboards now - cleaned the back of the Tab, cleaned and dried the micro-suction ring, pressed it firmly in place for many minutes. No matter what I do, I can't get the back to stay on more than an hour at best. At some point without the keyboard itself attached, the Tab just slides off the back. Thankfully so far, it just ended up on my desk - no falls.
The worst part? The normal Book Cover (non-keyboard) connects via a magnet, and it is rock-solid. Comes off easily when I want it to, stays on firmly when I don't want it to. But the keyboard does not have enough room to connect when this cover is on, so I can't use it without switching to the keyboard back.
Why, Samsung, couldn't you use the same magnetic connector on the keyboard?
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My problem has been getting the back to stay connected. The part with the kickstand relies on micro-suction cups to stay in place. I've been through 3 keyboards now - cleaned the back of the Tab, cleaned and dried the micro-suction ring, pressed it firmly in place for many minutes. No matter what I do, I can't get the back to stay on more than an hour at best. At some point without the keyboard itself attached, the Tab just slides off the back. Thankfully so far, it just ended up on my desk - no falls.
The worst part? The normal Book Cover (non-keyboard) connects via a magnet, and it is rock-solid. Comes off easily when I want it to, stays on firmly when I don't want it to. But the keyboard does not have enough room to connect when this cover is on, so I can't use it without switching to the keyboard back.
Why, Samsung, couldn't you use the same magnetic connector on the keyboard?
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I dont have the issue but agree completely on the design being a stupid experiment.
JarkMackson said:
My issue is that when I have the keyboard attached, I swing it to the back and it gets disabled but then I can't get the on-screen keyboard to work. I have to detach the keyboard to get it to even show up. Anyone else?
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I had this issue as well. The solution is to enable the "Show the on-screen keyboard" option in the physical keyboard settings. With this enabled the on-screen keyboard always popup when you click in a text box, it will go away as soon as you start typing with the physical keyboard, or remain up if start typing with the on-screen keyboard. I also found that I had to use the Samsung on-screen keyboard to get it to work correctly, G-Board caused some issue. Hope this help.
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My problem has been getting the back to stay connected. The part with the kickstand relies on micro-suction cups to stay in place. I've been through 3 keyboards now - cleaned the back of the Tab, cleaned and dried the micro-suction ring, pressed it firmly in place for many minutes. No matter what I do, I can't get the back to stay on more than an hour at best. At some point without the keyboard itself attached, the Tab just slides off the back. Thankfully so far, it just ended up on my desk - no falls.
The worst part? The normal Book Cover (non-keyboard) connects via a magnet, and it is rock-solid. Comes off easily when I want it to, stays on firmly when I don't want it to. But the keyboard does not have enough room to connect when this cover is on, so I can't use it without switching to the keyboard back.
Why, Samsung, couldn't you use the same magnetic connector on the keyboard?
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What did you use to clean them? I had the problem until I used an alcohol wipe to clean both the tablet back and the sticky area of the case back. Now there's no way the back is coming off without some prying.
As described above, the back cover is not magnetic, it's microsuction. The ADVANTAGE of this, is that it's meant to be easily removed if you want to use your tablet naked at times. The disadvantage of this, is that you should push firmly on it before and after opening the kickstand.
However, if you're looking for a more semi-permanent fix, a couple simple 3M strips placed in the rectangular area between the microsuction works great!
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What did you use to clean them? I had the problem until I used an alcohol wipe to clean both the tablet back and the sticky area of the case back. Now there's no way the back is coming off without some prying.
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I tried rubbing alcohol on both sides. No change.
I let the Best Buy customer service agent talk me into try number 4, I guess mainly because I am gullible like that. You know what? The alcohol thing worked this time, and I am approaching 4 hours without the tablet slipping out. If I make it overnight tonight, I am willing to declare this a success.
Fingers crossed.
gottahavit said:
I dont have the issue but agree completely on the design being a stupid experiment.
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I may have found a solution to the problem...I simply mounted 2 or 3 double stick photo wall mounts. The stand is VERY stable now...to the point that it is somewhat difficult to remove the stand from the device
charlie
Yeah no adhesive for me. But mine works fine