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Is Battery Conditioning Necessary? Can I just plug in any time?

Greets,
As we have all probably learned, the Tilt EATS batteries; especially if you use Bluetooth or GPS.
I would like to just plug in my Tilt every morning when I arrive at work. However, I am concerned that I might hurt the batteries ability to hold a full charge, etc.
Based on other threads, when i got the phone, I immediately let it run down (rather than charging), and have had 4 or 5 complete drains (where it shuts itself off) before charging. I find starting up TomTom is a great way to get it to drain off.
Does anyone know if I can just plug it in every morning, regardless of the battery charge?
Thanks!

LiIon/LiPolymer batteries don't have memory effects and do not require conditioning. In fact, if you're using them you'll extend their life by keeping them topped off. Plug in whenever you like.

aye PerfAlbion is right - the downside is you lose some capacity over time no matter what you do - tradeoff of the technology im afraid

And actually, you have been hurting your battery letting it run down so many times. It's never a good idea to let it run down fully till the point when it shuts off.
Usually, a recondition is needed only after 3 months just so that the software remains caliberated with the battery and displays the correct charge.
Otherwise, the more you keep it plugged in, the better your battery will be.

Totally agree.
I got into the routine with back my Wizard of pluging the charger in every night. You never know when you may not have chance to top up!
Its my morning alarm clock also!

Does anybody know if you can get batteries for the kaiser/tilt that holds more charge?
Mine says 1350mAh. Can you get more than that?
Thanks,
Sebastian

Not sure but would be nice to know...
At this moment I carry a 'Power monkey' as a bckup supply in my case just for emergencies.

There are some extended batteries shipping, but I'm a bit wary. To increase charge density for these types of batteries, you have to increase their physical size. So unless the battery pack supplied has dead space in it, you'll likely have to replace the back on your phone to add significant capacity. I haven't seen any with that warning or sold with a replacement back.

PerfAlbion said:
There are some extended batteries shipping, but I'm a bit wary. To increase charge density for these types of batteries, you have to increase their physical size. So unless the battery pack supplied has dead space in it, you'll likely have to replace the back on your phone to add significant capacity. I haven't seen any with that warning or sold with a replacement back.
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Hmm yeah you are right! just have to keep it topped up guys or carry a 3rd party charger with you.
Still... never depleted it yet, but who knows!!

Hi Farsquidge!
I know I can search... but.... may I ask where you bought your Power Monkey from ?
I saw some on Maplin's site but seem to have the wriong connector.
Off to search some more !
Ofiaich

Personally, I just purchased a second battery and carry it with me in my laptop bag. The only time I've ever needed it is when I'm flying and using the phone for music/movies. And since it's "official" HTC gear, I never have to sweat a warranty replacement for the phone by using unapproved equipment.
But when I turn off 3G (which is always off unless I'm tethered/surfing), I'm getting between 8-12 hours on a charge with some decent usage. The one problem I had was the day with about 6 hours of phone calls.

sebw36912 said:
Does anybody know if you can get batteries for the kaiser/tilt that holds more charge?
Mine says 1350mAh. Can you get more than that?
Thanks,
Sebastian
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there are standard size 1650 mAh batteries. Larger than that and they are not standard size and come with a new back panel to accommodate the added size.
There are a few threads in the "Kaiser accessories" forum regarding extended batteries. Take a look there.
You can find some on e-bay also.
I suspect someone will be along pointing you toward the SEARCH function shortly.

PerfAlbion said:
LiIon/LiPolymer batteries don't have memory effects and do not require conditioning. In fact, if you're using them you'll extend their life by keeping them topped off. Plug in whenever you like.
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Exaxctly. This is what I've been emphasizing all over the time, in several of my articles (please follow the Wiki and/or the General forum here and /or my blog ) - for example at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/inde... revolutionary, comparative, numeric results!

ofiaich said:
Hi Farsquidge!
I know I can search... but.... may I ask where you bought your Power Monkey from ?
I saw some on Maplin's site but seem to have the wriong connector.
Off to search some more !
Ofiaich
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Actually bought mine in-flight duty free. I have seen them on Amazon including the new version with solar charger.

Thanks for your reply, Farsquidge!
I am not due to fly until March !!
I will check out more sites!!
Ofiaich

Looking for a good bluetooth GPS receiver? Can you recomend me one ?

Looking for a good bluetooth GPS receiver.
Please users of GPS let me know witch one is a good buy....before I buy
many thanks

i got nokia, either LD3W or LD1W
works like a charm for me.
its not cheap, but its nokia,standard conections.

AlexTM said:
Looking for a good bluetooth GPS receiver.
Please users of GPS let me know witch one is a good buy....before I buy
many thanks
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This one :
http://www.blueunplugged.com/p.aspx?p=120048
it uses a chipset that is more efficient than sirfstarIII, quoted max battery life in full use being around 25 hrs, loads of standby time. sposed to be dead quick too...
uses a mobile phone battery i think, and c/w car & wall charger
price varies enormously, so do a lot of searching, watch the P&P price.
brilliant unit... i've also seen forum posts saying it's, er, streets ahead, of the tomtom sirfstar one which is double the price.
never understand why we've been bleating on about the lack of in-built gps ariel for the TD... I much prefer seperates, and the battery life is better than using in-built anyway.

Lord of the Badgers said:
never understand why we've been bleating on about the lack of in-built gps ariel for the TD... I much prefer seperates, and the battery life is better than using in-built anyway.
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Heh, mainly because having a cable charge your phone, a cable charge your GPS receiver, a cable charging your ipod and a cable charging the kids DVD players in the back gets a bit much.

Lord of the Badgers said:
never understand why we've been bleating on about the lack of in-built gps ariel for the TD... I much prefer seperates, and the battery life is better than using in-built anyway.
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maybe because of the extra charges of buying a separate GPS ... not to mention the trouble of carrying around with us. and of course, it'd be another little toy to play with eheh

I have a Phonix BGR048 Bluetooth receiver; simply to configure i use it with Google maps. I payed about 50 euros

jvieira said:
maybe because of the extra charges of buying a separate GPS ... not to mention the trouble of carrying around with us. and of course, it'd be another little toy to play with eheh
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so you prefer your battery drained double quick then - it's small and light & i never notice it in my pocket, where it operates happily if needed.
Gajet said:
Heh, mainly because having a cable charge your phone, a cable charge your GPS receiver, a cable charging your ipod and a cable charging the kids DVD players in the back gets a bit much.
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the one I hot linked uses the SAME mini usb connection for charging as the touch dual.... and the battery, as i said, is good for around 20 hours.
and you'll get a nice in-car charger if you don't have one already
So that's why I made my statements

incidentally, I accidentally left the GPS receiver on since Sunday. Noticed today (end of Thursday).. it was still functioning , albeit with the battery indicator flashing. Now that's impressive standby I have to say....!!!

Lord of the Badgers said:
incidentally, I accidentally left the GPS receiver on since Sunday. Noticed today (end of Thursday).. it was still functioning , albeit with the battery indicator flashing. Now that's impressive standby I have to say....!!!
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Thanks for the recommendation - I got one of these and they work great!

www.navilock.com
Navilock GPS Recievers are the best!
I've got the Navilock BT-451 and it works perfect!
with my TOMTOM 6 Navigator.

i have a fake holex - "HOLOX"
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HOLOX-54-Chan...yZ139838QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
its cheap, its fake but it has never let me down and is alot better than the ones i have used before!

Question to people who own Google's N1 CAR Dock

To those of you who are using the OFFICIAL Google N1 car dock...
More specifically, to those of you who used it for longer periods of time (1hr+) on the dashboard, in the sun..
I know the dock will get really hot, but what about the N1? It's hard to see on the dock pics, does the dock cover the phone completely from the sun? It does look kinda enclosed, so does that help N1 to stay cooler or the opposite, doesn't allow it to air-cool?
I'll be making long roadtrips, using N1 navigation, and I worry about it getting too hot, and thus damaging the battery.

At least when you're using navigation, you only really have to worry about the GPS connection, as the 3G idles once it's cached the route (which I'm sure you know already anyway). My phone does get fairly warm when I'm using navigation + playing music for extended amounts of time, but not to the point where I'm worried about it. If you're gonna be driving for a LONG time, and don't mind the inconvenience, you can see if it still works with the battery removed, that way there's no question as to whether or not it's damaging the battery....or you could go for one of those 2 batteries for $20 deals on ebay and slam in a battery you don't care about.
TL;DR version - yes it gets pretty warm but not too bad, use spare batteries for peace of mind

At least when you're using navigation, you only really have to worry about the GPS connection, as the 3G idles once it's cached the route (which I'm sure you know already anyway). My phone does get fairly warm when I'm using navigation + playing music for extended amounts of time, but not to the point where I'm worried about it. If you're gonna be driving for a LONG time, and don't mind the inconvenience, you can see if it still works with the battery removed, that way there's no question as to whether or not it's damaging the battery....or you could go for one of those 2 batteries for $20 deals on ebay and slam in a battery you don't care about.
TL;DR version - yes it gets pretty warm but not too bad, use spare batteries for peace of mind
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Thanks for the good advice.
However, I want to know about the google car dock and how hot does the phone get while in the sun.

My battery hit 53C (or 127F) while I'm on GPS, Pandora, and the car dock positioned under the sun. I have no doubt it'll kill your battery. But I'm not worried since a spare battery is only $25. Cheaper on eBay I'm sure. At the rate I'm going I'll be surprised to get a year's worth of charging cycles on my current battery.

i took a 2 hour road trip, using navigation the whole time. pulled the phone out of the dock once i reached destination, and didn't think it felt hot at all.

It gets pretty hot for me too. The best thing you can do is use SetCPU and set up a profile so when it reaches a certain temperature have it down clock the processor.

Vandam500 said:
It gets pretty hot for me too. The best thing you can do is use SetCPU and set up a profile so when it reaches a certain temperature have it down clock the processor.
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SetCPU is not a good solution for me due to several reasons.
I was mostly wondering if the "enclosing" type of dock (the one that covers the phone completely) will keep the phone cooler, or the opposite, allow it to build up heat... that's basically the question..
I have a chinese one-size-fits-all dock that works, but most of the N1 is open to direct sun. Which I don't like.. hence, this thread.

Turn on your ac and activate the windshield defroster vent. That will keep the air temp around the device much cooler than it otherwise would be.

saint327 said:
Turn on your ac and activate the windshield defroster vent. That will keep the air temp around the device much cooler than it otherwise would be.
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mmm... Yeah.. I guess putting my N1 into a zip-lock bag and drowning it in liquid nitrogen would help too..

it gets really hot but not hot enough to damage anything

wick12345 said:
it gets really hot but not hot enough to damage anything
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Thanks.. That's a shame..
Technically, phone doesn't care that much, it's the battery. LiIon batteries hate heat, they degrade in heat pretty fast.
That makes me reconsider buying the google car dock =(

DarkDvr said:
Thanks.. That's a shame..
Technically, phone doesn't care that much, it's the battery. LiIon batteries hate heat, they degrade in heat pretty fast.
That makes me reconsider buying the google car dock =(
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If your $25 battery dies in a year and a half, rather than two years, does it really matter?

teh_lorax said:
If your $25 battery dies in a year and a half, rather than two years, does it really matter?
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Actually, frequent prolonged heat will destroy LIB pretty damn fast, about twice as fast as when in room temperature.
Oh and my second official battery was free, I called google and they sent me one for free.

DarkDvr said:
Actually, frequent prolonged heat will destroy LIB pretty damn fast, about twice as fast as when in room temperature.
Oh and my second official battery was free, I called google and they sent me one for free.
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WOW! Did you just call them up and say that the battery isn't charging or something? Did you have to send the other battery back? Would be nice to get a free battery! Which toll-free number did you call?

We had a fairly hot sunny weather last week, it was almost +35C (95F), I had running Waze (nav), Online Radio, and 30 minutes later - got a phone call (phone was paired to car's BT). Well, Nexus crashed, or, more precisely - hang. I had to remove battery to revive it. Nexus was HOT! I mean - so hot, that it was painful to hold it in my hand!
Btw, idea to turn on a window defroster would not work well in my car - defrost is available only in 2 modes: 1) defrost only 2) defrost+feet warming. So, it is either nexus or me sweating
I am trying to think of adding a small fan at the back of google car dock. Shouldn't it help a bit?!
Another idea friend gave me - to use an aluminum duct tape, and stick it to the back side of the dock to create a reflective layer to protect from sun. I like it, will try today.
timothydonohue said:
i took a 2 hour road trip, using navigation the whole time. pulled the phone out of the dock once i reached destination, and didn't think it felt hot at all.
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deim said:
Another idea friend gave me - to use an aluminum duct tape, and stick it to the back side of the dock to create a reflective layer to protect from sun. I like it, will try today.
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I guess other drivers will love it when you blind them

SBS_ said:
I guess other drivers will love it when you blind them
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Well, it's not brighter then the reflection from windshield or headlights
But now I think that this thing not gonna help. Found couple discussions on Nexus support forum. Apparently, the problem is not about sun, but more related to the hard charging by the dock. Looks like that instead of regular 1A of current as desktop changer use, car dock is pushing 2A.
If that is the reason, then the only solution to overheating problem would be to not connect a power line, converting a dock into a primitive $55 phone holder.

jacka$$1 said:
WOW! Did you just call them up and say that the battery isn't charging or something? Did you have to send the other battery back? Would be nice to get a free battery! Which toll-free number did you call?
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same here i got a free battery from htc cause i am still in the one year warranty, i just told them that when i use to charge the battery to 100% it goes down to 82% percent in less than 10 minutes that's what i told them and they said that if i was using wifi or gps and i told nope ...so they send me a new battery i am still using the old battery ..and have a new one just in case......just make sure u don't even think about telling them your phone is rooted...or was cause you wont get jack.....

if your worried about the battery heating up do what others say and just buy an extra battery. im sure it gets fairly hot. i live in texas and is also something that worries me but i will still buy this car doc but place it in an area that the son will not hit it. lots of alt locations for me that will be in good eye location.

Battery usage with GPS navigation

Hi,
Went on a drive last weekend with Copilot installed and GPS active offcause.
Plugged in and charging through the cars cigarette lighter plugin and found that despite that, the phone lost power and got VERY hot..
Is that normal? I mean, if thats to be expected, the iphone is pretty much useless on long drives as navigation device...
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It depends what adapter do you use. There are ones that can only provide the phone 0.5 A while you want to have 1A output. Then you'll have no problems

Using the default original LG adapter that came with my car cradle, the LG SCS-410.
Disappointing that it can't supply enough Amps...
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I'm using the official one, aswell, and with Navigon (GPS navigation with offline maps) and maxed-out brightness the display still gets charged with around 140mA surplus or something around that value.

Does it take an app to check how much mA the battery is charging?
I just had a look at the standard charger that came with the cradle and it's 0,7A..
Copilot uses offline maps as well, and brightness was at middle strenght, so not even fully lid.

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Does it take an app to check how much mA the battery is charging?
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Battery monitoring widget (in market) will tell You the current voltage,mA,mW etc

[Q] Question about GPS and battery life

So I am thinking about getting this phone, and I have a couple of reservations. No root is an issue obviously, but not necessarily a deal breaker, and will hopefully be remedied sometime.
The other thing I am worried about is the battery. I currently have an Xperia x10. I purchased an extended battery for it and can get over 3 days on one charge with normal use. With the regular battery, I get about a day and a half. The nonremovable battery on the atrix HD is a bit of a problem, and I don't really feel like performing surgery on my phone(although I might, if it comes to that).
I use an app called imapmyhike to keep track of where we went when we go hiking in the woods or around town. These hikes can go from a few hours to all day sometimes. The extended battery comes in handy for the long ones since with GPS and data on and active, the charge goes down really fast.
Does anyone use this app and if so can you tell me how long the phone lasts when you are using it? Also how long does the phone last as a GPS device in the car without a dock? Would probably be about the same thing. Any input would be appreciated.

nachowayne said:
So I am thinking about getting this phone, and I have a couple of reservations. No root is an issue obviously, but not necessarily a deal breaker, and will hopefully be remedied sometime.
The other thing I am worried about is the battery. I currently have an Xperia x10. I purchased an extended battery for it and can get over 3 days on one charge with normal use. With the regular battery, I get about a day and a half. The nonremovable battery on the atrix HD is a bit of a problem, and I don't really feel like performing surgery on my phone(although I might, if it comes to that).
I use an app called imapmyhike to keep track of where we went when we go hiking in the woods or around town. These hikes can go from a few hours to all day sometimes. The extended battery comes in handy for the long ones since with GPS and data on and active, the charge goes down really fast.
Does anyone use this app and if so can you tell me how long the phone lasts when you are using it? Also how long does the phone last as a GPS device in the car without a dock? Would probably be about the same thing. Any input would be appreciated.
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Buy an external battery. I have one, but also be careful on the charge speed on it. I had a charger for my car that was charging at 500mAh and it was not enough to even keep a charge on my phone. It died after 7 straight hours of GPS + Pandora. I bought another car charger that was charging at 1Ah and it was enough to even charge it.
Point is, look for a battery that is fast charging, and if you keep it in your bag, you could even get a really large one. I bought a small one for 5500mAh that is about the size of 2 fingers put together.