Related
Hey guys - I currently own the One on AT&T and am loving it so far.
Are there any advantages to owning the AT&T version vs the USA unlocked version from HTC?
I'm thinking of returning the AT&T one and getting the unlocked version mainly so I can get HTC updates directly from HTC rather than waiting for AT&T to roll them out.
Both have LTE bands for AT&T, so that's not an issue.
Any reason why I should keep the AT&T one instead of the unlocked?
Thanks in advance.
The AT&T version has a fantastic logo on the back of the phone.
Sent from my HTC One using xda premium
---------- Post added at 09:07 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:05 AM ----------
Also with the AT&T version you might have to wait an extra day to get a flashable ROM of the latest OTA
Sent from my HTC One using xda premium
flooty333 said:
Hey guys - I currently own the One on AT&T and am loving it so far.
Are there any advantages to owning the AT&T version vs the USA unlocked version from HTC?
I'm thinking of returning the AT&T one and getting the unlocked version mainly so I can get HTC updates directly from HTC rather than waiting for AT&T to roll them out.
Both have LTE bands for AT&T, so that's not an issue.
Any reason why I should keep the AT&T one instead of the unlocked?
Thanks in advance.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Since you can unlock the bootloader via htcdev and then load whatever rom you want it's probably not worth the hassle and restocking fee. Although I have the dev version it remains to be seen how htc will update this device or at what frequency. An update is already out for the international phones that has yet to make it to the dev. edition. I'm keeping mine stock for now, but may go the customer route at some point. Either version is a great phone.
If you would rather stay stock and still get the latest updates, get the unlocked or developer edition. If you don't mind unlocking your bootloader and flashing an RUU or custom ROM each time an update is released by HTC, stick with the AT&T version.
bugsy said:
Since you can unlock the bootloader via htcdev and then load whatever rom you want it's probably not worth the hassle and restocking fee. Although I have the dev version it remains to be seen how htc will update this device or at what frequency. An update is already out for the international phones that has yet to make it to the dev. edition. I'm keeping mine stock for now, but may go the customer route at some point. Either version is a great phone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
At least the unlocked and dev editions are already running a version of the 1.29 firmware though. The AT&T variant is still on 1.26, two major versions behind (1.26 -> 1.28 -> 1.29).
gtg465x said:
At least the unlocked and dev editions are already running a version of the 1.29 firmware though. The AT&T variant is still on 1.26, two major versions behind (1.26 -> 1.28 -> 1.29).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've flashed 1.29 so could you please elaborate on what's considered "major" about 1.29 vs 1.26?
Sent from my HTC One using xda premium
Camera is better. There are bluetooth fixes. Speakers can no longer go as loud (not all changes are necessarily positive depending on your point of view).
Search XDA. These changes have already been well discussed.
Sent from my HTC One using xda app-developers app
shook187 said:
I've flashed 1.29 so could you please elaborate on what's considered "major" about 1.29 vs 1.26?
Sent from my HTC One using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Strictly talking about the build number, 1.26 vs. 1.29 is major, whereas 1.29.xxx.3 vs. 1.29.xxx.13 is minor. Right now the AT&T version isn't far behind, but wait until something like 1.50 or whatever Android 4.2 corresponds with comes out and the AT&T version is left running 1.26 unless you unlock and ROM.
bugsy said:
Since you can unlock the bootloader via htcdev and then load whatwill rom you want it's probably not worth the hassle and restocking fee. Although I have the dev version it remains to be seen how htc will update this device or at what frequency. An update is already out for the international phones that has yet to make it to the dev. edition. I'm keeping mine stock for now, but may go the customer route at some point. Either version is a great phone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks guys.
Are they updating the USA 32gb unlocked at the same frequency as the 64gb dev version? or will they update the 32gb the same time they update intl phones.
Also, if I flash new roms as they come out through the hacker channels, will I need to reinstall everything from scratch for each Rom upgrade?
Thanks again.
Also
flooty333 said:
Thanks guys.
Are they updating the USA 32gb unlocked at the same frequency as the 64gb dev version? or will they update the 32gb the same time they update intl phones.
Also, if I flash new roms as they come out through the hacker channels, will I need to reinstall everything from scratch for each Rom upgrade?
Thanks again.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Also consider this, the developer edition comes with NO ATT BLOATWARE.
I have the 64 mb developer edition, just installed Visual Voice mail, LTE speeds are incredible,
and the IMEI was able to be used for the ATT network. This is as close to perfect
as you can get! Incredible piece of hardware.
CC
flooty333 said:
Hey guys - I currently own the One on AT&T and am loving it so far.
Are there any advantages to owning the AT&T version vs the USA unlocked version from HTC?
I'm thinking of returning the AT&T one and getting the unlocked version mainly so I can get HTC updates directly from HTC rather than waiting for AT&T to roll them out.
Both have LTE bands for AT&T, so that's not an issue.
Any reason why I should keep the AT&T one instead of the unlocked?
Thanks in advance.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Unless you're looking to get the phone subsidized, I see no reason to buy the AT&T model over the unlocked or developer one.
Only reason I can think of is dealing with AT&T for warranty issues is easier and faster than HTC.
I got the HTC unlocked 32GB version direct from HTC (arrived early...it was backordered and I paid for 2-day but HTC upgraded it to 1-day delivery. They shipped Saturday and I got it Monday).
What I noticed (coming from previous AT&T Note 2, S3 and Infuse) on AT&T...
1) no AT&T bloatware (as others have mentioned)...I was shocked how few apps were actually "running"...just a handful. I liked it.
2) tethering (no rooting required) for my occasional use of my iPad mini while on the road.
3) LTE is extremely fast compared to my Samsung's but not sure if that is a unlock versus AT&T issue?? Previously I just assumed LTE coverage was poor in my home. But with the HTC One it screams. Really surprised.
that's it.
So far I have avoided rooting since I want to become familiar with stock Sense, etc...then decide how much I want to play. I do expect to root eventually but stick to the popular stock-like roms (personally can't stand the CM's, etc.)
I am seriously looking at buying the HTC One, which would be my 1st android device, following recent years of apple devotion...
From what I read, there is a lot of noise of putting "stock android" on the device. But more recently, there has been the Google Edition announcement.
So what are the options now then?
Buy on contract, and leave at that version running to the network carrier's upgrade plans? What choices will following this path mean for the official HTC Bootloader unlocking? The device would be SIM locked too I guess? Can I flash any image, I.e the upcoming GE image?
If I buy SIM free from a UK retailer, are there any differences to the above? Or will I need to get the phone direct from HTC as a GE device to get all this goodness?
I am pretty geek proficient, and would like to run to the quickest upgrade paths. But I'd also like to retain htc's low light camera performance on this device. I also recall Mr Leo Laporte recommending to buy it with HTC Sense on it, so you can always return to it if you don't like stock android...
Open to people's opinions too, but I'd like to understand the options above before making a large investment...
Thanks
jingo_man said:
I am seriously looking at buying the HTC One, which would be my 1st android device, following recent years of apple devotion...
From what I read, there is a lot of noise of putting "stock android" on the device. But more recently, there has been the Google Edition announcement.
So what are the options now then?
Buy on contract, and leave at that version running to the network carrier's upgrade plans? What choices will following this path mean for the official HTC Bootloader unlocking? The device would be SIM locked too I guess? Can I flash any image, I.e the upcoming GE image?
If I buy SIM free from a UK retailer, are there any differences to the above? Or will I need to get the phone direct from HTC as a GE device to get all this goodness?
I am pretty geek proficient, and would like to run to the quickest upgrade paths. But I'd also like to retain htc's low light camera performance on this device. I also recall Mr Leo Laporte recommending to buy it with HTC Sense on it, so you can always return to it if you don't like stock android...
Open to people's opinions too, but I'd like to understand the options above before making a large investment...
Thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You are better off buying the phone outright. If you get it on contract it might be sim-lock (might be but not sure). Plus it works out cheaper to buy it outright. If you buy the unbraned UK version then you will get updates like everyone else.
Or if you want to flash the GE (google edition) when it comes out then you will need to have S-OFF. As for unlocking the bootloader, you don't need to go through HTCDev and unlock your bootloader. You can just use the revone S-OFF method to unlock it and have S-OFF.
Rex2369 said:
You are better off buying the phone outright. If you get it on contract it might be sim-lock (might be but not sure). Plus it works out cheaper to buy it outright. If you buy the unbraned UK version then you will get updates like everyone else.
Or if you want to flash the GE (google edition) when it comes out then you will need to have S-OFF. As for unlocking the bootloader, you don't need to go through HTCDev and unlock your bootloader. You can just use the revone S-OFF method to unlock it and have S-OFF.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks Rex
What is S-OFF?
The lack of discounts / subsidy for top of the lines phones means there is no benefit for buying either way, if you can. This would also be my preference but I am still assessing it all... SIM free does tend to make it easier with unlocking / jail breaking / rooting, but it seemed that HTCdev will allow you to it anyway. Part of my initial questions was if this was actually true, and the limits that may be in place..?
jingo_man said:
Thanks Rex
What is S-OFF?
The lack of discounts / subsidy for top of the lines phones means there is no benefit for buying either way, if you can. This would also be my preference but I am still assessing it all... SIM free does tend to make it easier with unlocking / jail breaking / rooting, but it seemed that HTCdev will allow you to it anyway. Part of my initial questions was if this was actually true, and the limits that may be in place..?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
S-OFF (security OFF)
In order for you to be able to flash the GE you will need that at least. Because "I think" when GE image is out it won't be as simple as flash it to the HTC One and there you have a GE HTC One. I think it will be more to it than just flashing the GE image to the HTC one.
I am currently running an AOSP rom, CarbonROM, on my VZW Galaxy S3 and really enjoy its speed, smoothness and customizability.
I am looking to upgrade to a VZW Moto X and just have a few questions.
Straight out of the box, will the Moto X be faster and smoother than the AOSP GS3?
I would like run a Blur-based ROM on the Moto X, but understand that I will be unable to root it if the phone comes with 4.2.2 right? How likely will the phone come pre-installed with 4.2.2 if I buy one from a Verizon store right now? THanks.
EDIT: If I am ultimately unable or unwilling to root the phone, could I get something similar to CM's PieControls or be able to slide up from my Home virtual key and launch custom apps from the ring (not sure if this is a stock Android feature)? I heard something about Xposed + Gravity Box? Could I run these modules without rooting?
Since the default OS is so close to vanilla Android, how much of a speed improvement could I expect if I run an AOSP rom?
I've only had this phone for a day, but from what I understand 4.2.2 has root. The current FW is 4.4.2 and does not have root. The Moto X is much snappier than my s3 and even my note 3 out of the box. I have LMT launcher installed on my device and it is working perfectly. As far as custom apps from the home key ring, I haven't seen anything so far and I don't think there is an option without root but I could be wrong. I do know that Xposed requires root.
Sent from my XT1058 using Tapatalk
Better get the phone and get the BL unlock code while you still can and do it quick so you can be able to root 4.4.2
MOTO X
4.2.2 and 4.4 on the X can be rooted. 4.4.2, the current ROM, can not be.
If you want usable root on the X you need two parts 1. Root Exploit, and 2. An Exploit that allows for disabling Write Protection.
When Write Protection is enabled (the phone's default state with locked bootloader, or the state you are in after you take the 4.4.2 OTA), any changes made to /system, or the like, (including, but not limited to, App installs, file modifications, deletions, renames, etc) are not permanent and are lost at power off/on.
Even if you have root, but lost Write Protection, any apps you've installed that need to write to system can't permanently save their changes (you have to re-do every time your phone powers off/on), and any Root type app, or app that gets installed to /system after WP is enabled will be lost at power off/on.
MotoWpNoMo was used on 4.4. and below to Disable Write Protection. Part of the 4.4.2 update patches the exploit that MotoWpNoMo used, so it wont work on 4.4.2.
SlapMyMoto/RockMyMoto/etc, used on 4.4 and lower to root, involved downgrading the rom to use an exploit in 4.2.2 to gain root and then following a process to upgrade to 4.4. But with 4.4.2 you can't downgrade the rom safely, without risk of bricking your phone, anymore.
So if you want to ensure you can root, consider getting the Dev Edition Moto X if you are on Verizon. Here are a few reasons why...
You can get the bootloader unlock code for free via Moto's web site.(not available for the VZW Retail and Moto Maker editions) - they are unique to each phone.
Getting the bootloader unlock code (and using it) doesn't void the warranty (like it does on the Retail and Moto Maker editions)
Once the bootloader is unlocked you can root & disable write protection, no matter what ROM is on your phone.
You could install custom or 3rd party roms if you wish.
If you get a warranty exchange/replacement you can still get the bootloader unlock code from Moto's web site..
While the Chinese website/middleman is available again to PURCHASE bootloader unlock codes for the Retail and Moto Maker edition, there is no guarantee it will remain available, or that your code will be in the data base he has. (think about if you need a replacement phone for some reason)
Cost is not much different than if you need to purchase your X at full retail (to keep unlimited data plan, or because you are not eligible for "upgrade" pricing).
You don't want to take the chance that the new phone might still ship with either 4.2.2 or 4.4 and can be rooted with the SlapMyMoto process and you can use MotoWpNoMo to disable write protection, if the Chinese web site/middle man disappears again.
Why to not get a Dev Edition...
you don't care about ever rooting
you are eligible for "upgrade" pricing so you want to save money
you are willing to take the chance on buying the unlock code from the Chinese Site/Middle Man while its available again, and are not worried about having to get a bootloader unlock code for a replacement phone in the future.
You want to customize the look of your phone. i.e. The Black Face, Woven White back, and Silver accents (buttons and camera ring) of the Developer Edition just doesn't appeal to you and you don't want to use a case to cover it, and are against dBrand skins and the like.
you don't mind voiding the phone's warranty by using the code purchased via the Chinese Site/Middle Man while it is available again.
You don't mind taking a chance that the new phone might still ship with either 4.2.2 or 4.4 and can be rooted with the SlapMyMoto process and you can use MotoWpNoMo to disable write protection, rather than having to buy a bootloader unlock code from the Chinese website/middleman.
You are OK not running custom or 3rd party or custom roms (unless you PURCHASE the boot loader unlock code from the Chinese Site/Middleman)
---------- Post added at 07:43 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:25 AM ----------
jamesino said:
...I would like run a Blur-based ROM on the Moto X, but understand that I will be unable to root it if the phone comes with 4.2.2 right? How likely will the phone come pre-installed with 4.2.2 if I buy one from a Verizon store right now? THanks.
EDIT: If I am ultimately unable or unwilling to root the phone, could I get something similar to CM's PieControls or be able to slide up from my Home virtual key and launch custom apps from the ring (not sure if this is a stock Android feature)? I heard something about Xposed + Gravity Box? Could I run these modules without rooting?
Since the default OS is so close to vanilla Android, how much of a speed improvement could I expect if I run an AOSP rom?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
your OP also mentions wanting to run a Blur-based ROM... "based" implies not stock. As mentioned previously, If you get 4.2.2 or 4.4 on it, you can root and disable write protection. You can retain root while upgrading to 4.4.2, but you lose write protection disable with no way to get it back. But rooting and disabling write protection will not allow you to run 3rd party or custom roms. You can only run stock Moto roms unless you unlock the bootloader. When the bootloader is locked, the phone will refuse any Non-Moto signed components (like recovery, system, etc) which are needed for the 3rd party/custom roms.
I can't speak to how much faster the X might be compared to the S3 with AOSP because my T-Mobile S3 is still stock. My VZW Dev Ed X is as fast as my S4's are (VZW, T-Mo and ATT) if not faster. And it does feel faster than my stock Note 3's (T-Mo and ATT).
I haven't seen CM's PieControls so I don't know what they are, or what is needed for install.
Xposted + Gravity box require root. And if you don't have write protection disabled too, you'd have to reconfigure it each power off/on.
If you buy at a Verizon retail store, they will likely immediately install any available updates (i.e. upgrade the phone to 4.4.2) before letting you leave the store, even if the phone has 4.2.2 out of the box. Several people have posted about this already. And they said they were not given an option. I do not know if they will honor a request to not perform any software updates given before they start to setup the new phone for you.
If you get a Dev Edition or any Moto X sold outside US, you will be able to unlock its bootloader which makes root possible and super easy regardless of Android version.
Enviado de meu XT1058 usando Tapatalk
KidJoe said:
4.2.2 and 4.4 on the X can be rooted. 4.4.2, the current ROM, can not be.
If you want usable root on the X you need two parts 1. Root Exploit, and 2. An Exploit that allows for disabling Write Protection.
When Write Protection is enabled (the phone's default state with locked bootloader, or the state you are in after you take the 4.4.2 OTA), any changes made to /system, or the like, (including, but not limited to, App installs, file modifications, deletions, renames, etc) are not permanent and are lost at power off/on.
Even if you have root, but lost Write Protection, any apps you've installed that need to write to system can't permanently save their changes (you have to re-do every time your phone powers off/on), and any Root type app, or app that gets installed to /system after WP is enabled will be lost at power off/on.
MotoWpNoMo was used on 4.4. and below to Disable Write Protection. Part of the 4.4.2 update patches the exploit that MotoWpNoMo used, so it wont work on 4.4.2.
SlapMyMoto/RockMyMoto/etc, used on 4.4 and lower to root, involved downgrading the rom to use an exploit in 4.2.2 to gain root and then following a process to upgrade to 4.4. But with 4.4.2 you can't downgrade the rom safely, without risk of bricking your phone, anymore.
So if you want to ensure you can root, consider getting the Dev Edition Moto X if you are on Verizon. Here are a few reasons why...
You can get the bootloader unlock code for free via Moto's web site.(not available for the VZW Retail and Moto Maker editions) - they are unique to each phone.
Getting the bootloader unlock code (and using it) doesn't void the warranty (like it does on the Retail and Moto Maker editions)
Once the bootloader is unlocked you can root & disable write protection, no matter what ROM is on your phone.
You could install custom or 3rd party roms if you wish.
If you get a warranty exchange/replacement you can still get the bootloader unlock code from Moto's web site..
While the Chinese website/middleman is available again to PURCHASE bootloader unlock codes for the Retail and Moto Maker edition, there is no guarantee it will remain available, or that your code will be in the data base he has. (think about if you need a replacement phone for some reason)
Cost is not much different than if you need to purchase your X at full retail (to keep unlimited data plan, or because you are not eligible for "upgrade" pricing).
You don't want to take the chance that the new phone might still ship with either 4.2.2 or 4.4 and can be rooted with the SlapMyMoto process and you can use MotoWpNoMo to disable write protection, if the Chinese web site/middle man disappears again.
Why to not get a Dev Edition...
you don't care about ever rooting
you are eligible for "upgrade" pricing so you want to save money
you are willing to take the chance on buying the unlock code from the Chinese Site/Middle Man while its available again, and are not worried about having to get a bootloader unlock code for a replacement phone in the future.
You want to customize the look of your phone. i.e. The Black Face, Woven White back, and Silver accents (buttons and camera ring) of the Developer Edition just doesn't appeal to you and you don't want to use a case to cover it, and are against dBrand skins and the like.
you don't mind voiding the phone's warranty by using the code purchased via the Chinese Site/Middle Man while it is available again.
You don't mind taking a chance that the new phone might still ship with either 4.2.2 or 4.4 and can be rooted with the SlapMyMoto process and you can use MotoWpNoMo to disable write protection, rather than having to buy a bootloader unlock code from the Chinese website/middleman.
You are OK not running custom or 3rd party or custom roms (unless you PURCHASE the boot loader unlock code from the Chinese Site/Middleman)
---------- Post added at 07:43 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:25 AM ----------
your OP also mentions wanting to run a Blur-based ROM... "based" implies not stock. As mentioned previously, If you get 4.2.2 or 4.4 on it, you can root and disable write protection. You can retain root while upgrading to 4.4.2, but you lose write protection disable with no way to get it back. But rooting and disabling write protection will not allow you to run 3rd party or custom roms. You can only run stock Moto roms unless you unlock the bootloader. When the bootloader is locked, the phone will refuse any Non-Moto signed components (like recovery, system, etc) which are needed for the 3rd party/custom roms.
I can't speak to how much faster the X might be compared to the S3 with AOSP because my T-Mobile S3 is still stock. My VZW Dev Ed X is as fast as my S4's are (VZW, T-Mo and ATT) if not faster. And it does feel faster than my stock Note 3's (T-Mo and ATT).
I haven't seen CM's PieControls so I don't know what they are, or what is needed for install.
Xposted + Gravity box require root. And if you don't have write protection disabled too, you'd have to reconfigure it each power off/on.
If you buy at a Verizon retail store, they will likely immediately install any available updates (i.e. upgrade the phone to 4.4.2) before letting you leave the store, even if the phone has 4.2.2 out of the box. Several people have posted about this already. And they said they were not given an option. I do not know if they will honor a request to not perform any software updates given before they start to setup the new phone for you.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks a lot for the very detailed information.
So to be sure, Blur-based ROMS such as Eclipse will require root and an unlocked BL? If I purchase a code from the China/Middle Man, does this solve all the problems? I will have an unlocked BL, root, and WP disabled and can install custom ROMs?
So if my phone ships with 4.4.2, then I can't even install Xposed + Gravity Box on it?
Are all Verizon phones locked now? I was originally going to get an S4 as a replacement for my S3, before I found out that the S4 was also incredibly difficult to root/flash custom ROMs onto.
Will the Moto X be my best bet if I am on contract with Verizon and want a "as close to stock Android as possible" experience?
jamesino said:
So to be sure, Blur-based ROMS such as Eclipse will require root and an unlocked BL? If I purchase a code from the China/Middle Man, does this solve all the problems? I will have an unlocked BL, root, and WP disabled and can install custom ROMs?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Eclipse needs you to be rooted on 4.4.2, or on 4.4 rooted w/Safestrap.
Yes bootloader unlocking (either dev edition, or getting code from China/middleman) solves this.
The only difference in getting the code from the Chinese Website/Middleman vs having the Dev Edition and getting the code from Moto, is 1. where you get the code from, and 2. warranty status. The rest, including rooting, flashing, etc. is exactly the same.
jamesino said:
So if my phone ships with 4.4.2, then I can't even install Xposed + Gravity Box on it?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes Xposed needs root. Since GraivtyBox uses Xposed, it too needs root.
jamesino said:
Are all Verizon phones locked now? I was originally going to get an S4 as a replacement for my S3, before I found out that the S4 was also incredibly difficult to root/flash custom ROMs onto.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes. Such is the nature of Android maturing. Most of the root and unlock processes have been exploiting bugs and vulnerabilities in code. As the code gets fixed, less usable exploits. THe S4 had a vulnerable bootloader initially that could be hacked (Loki) which was later patched. The X had its own which lead to PwnMyMoto/RockMyMoto/SlapMyMoto and MotoWpNoMo, which have been patched.
jamesino said:
Will the Moto X be my best bet if I am on contract with Verizon and want a "as close to stock Android as possible" experience?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have really only followed Moto, Samsung and HTC lately. Sammy has TouchWiz, HTC has Sense. They make their phones different enough from "stock" android. Sammy (S3, S4, NOte 2, Note3 anyway) has a custom calendar app, custom SMS/MMS app, custom contacts app, gallery, camera, and more. Along with a lot of Samsung bloat, I mean "features" that I usually disable anyway.
The X has no "skin" on top. It is as close to stock android as you can get. Yes it has a custom Camera app, gallery app and calendar app. But the Google calendar app (available in PlayStore) is nearly identical, and I didn't keep the Google calendar from the Playstore on the phone after trying it. There are a few Moto specific things like active display, always on/listening voice commands, that stock Android doesn't have, but there isn't too much else to get in the way, or that isn't useful on the phone. In fact, on the X, I haven't disabled anything.
I'd play it safe and spend the extra 50 bucks on the Dev edition.
The Chinese unlock sale could end today, or tomorrow.... And you'll likely be on 4 4.2 and not be able to root. Maybe ever.
Plus as said.... You keep your warranty when you unlock the bootloader on the Dev edition only.
kj2112 said:
I'd play it safe and spend the extra 50 bucks on the Dev edition.
The Chinese unlock sale could end today, or tomorrow.... And you'll likely be on 4 4.2 and not be able to root. Maybe ever.
Plus as said.... You keep your warranty when you unlock the bootloader on the Dev edition only.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Oh what? The Developer Edition is only an extra $50? The code from the China site is $45 already right?
Can I buy the Dev Edition at a Verizon Store or Authorized Reseller? Or must I order it online?
I can't seem to find the option for purchasing a Dev Ed on the Verizon website and the Motorola website only offer the option of purchasing it for 450 (presumably off-contract) and gives no option for purchasing on-contract.
KidJoe said:
Eclipse needs you to be rooted on 4.4.2, or on 4.4 rooted w/Safestrap.
Yes bootloader unlocking (either dev edition, or getting code from China/middleman) solves this.
The only difference in getting the code from the Chinese Website/Middleman vs having the Dev Edition and getting the code from Moto, is 1. where you get the code from, and 2. warranty status. The rest, including rooting, flashing, etc. is exactly the same.
Yes Xposed needs root. Since GraivtyBox uses Xposed, it too needs root.
Yes. Such is the nature of Android maturing. Most of the root and unlock processes have been exploiting bugs and vulnerabilities in code. As the code gets fixed, less usable exploits. THe S4 had a vulnerable bootloader initially that could be hacked (Loki) which was later patched. The X had its own which lead to PwnMyMoto/RockMyMoto/SlapMyMoto and MotoWpNoMo, which have been patched.
I have really only followed Moto, Samsung and HTC lately. Sammy has TouchWiz, HTC has Sense. They make their phones different enough from "stock" android. Sammy (S3, S4, NOte 2, Note3 anyway) has a custom calendar app, custom SMS/MMS app, custom contacts app, gallery, camera, and more. Along with a lot of Samsung bloat, I mean "features" that I usually disable anyway.
The X has no "skin" on top. It is as close to stock android as you can get. Yes it has a custom Camera app, gallery app and calendar app. But the Google calendar app (available in PlayStore) is nearly identical, and I didn't keep the Google calendar from the Playstore on the phone after trying it. There are a few Moto specific things like active display, always on/listening voice commands, that stock Android doesn't have, but there isn't too much else to get in the way, or that isn't useful on the phone. In fact, on the X, I haven't disabled anything.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you KidJoe, your very detailed responses have been incredibly helpful. If the Dev Edition is indeed only an extra $50, I would defintely try to snag one of those instead of a retail version.
jamesino said:
Oh what? The Developer Edition is only an extra $50? The code from the China site is $45 already right?
Can I buy the Dev Edition at a Verizon Store or Authorized Reseller? Or must I order it online?
I can't seem to find the option for purchasing a Dev Ed on the Verizon website and the Motorola website only offer the option of purchasing it for 450 (presumably off-contract) and gives no option for purchasing on-contract.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm in Canada, have a Rogers xt1058 version, unlocked sim and bootloader.... so not sure how purchasing Dev edition goes. Not an option here.
jamesino said:
Oh what? The Developer Edition is only an extra $50? The code from the China site is $45 already right?
Can I buy the Dev Edition at a Verizon Store or Authorized Reseller? Or must I order it online?
I can't seem to find the option for purchasing a Dev Ed on the Verizon website and the Motorola website only offer the option of purchasing it for 450 (presumably off-contract) and gives no option for purchasing on-contract.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You have to get it direct from Moto.
They this link -> http://www.motorola.com/us/consumer...Verizon/moto-x-developer-edition-verizon.html
And it is only sold at "off contract" or full retail price. Otherwise you'd see more people with it.
I'm pretty sure moto still has a 0% finance option if you don't want to shell out all the cash at once. My recommendation is Dev edition. I'm on T-Mobile which allows unlocking and I still got the Dev edition to be on the safe side.
I went from a Verizon GS3 with CM to a Nexus 5 and MotoX Dev edition on T-Mobile. The MotoX is FASTER by a long shot, only to be surpassed by the nexus barely. You won't regret the switch.
Well, I don't yet have a Nexus 6 (currently on my Moto X 2014, but that may soon change), so I figured I'd put this out there:
Google has stated that there may be delays for those who buy Nexus devices from carriers, but I have a plan:
What if we just unlock the bootloader and flash the factory image for the 6 from Google's site? Wouldn't that get rid of any carrier crap (not SIM locks, but bloat) and allow you to get the fastest OTAs?
I'd like to hear what you guys think, because I haven't read anything about this and don't have one to test it on.
The "bloatware" that comes from carriers (very limited) are installed via Play Store depending on what SIM card you're using so theres no way around this. In my opinion, carrier bloatware isn't the problem, its bloatware from Google. All these unnecessary apps (e.g. Google Books, Google Earth, Google+, Google Photos, Google Movies, etc) is the bloatware concern, not from your carrier.
I personally use custom ROMs so OTAs don't really matter to me.
I assume your talking about the AT&T version since the T-Mobile version is the same as from the play store and there is no solid info about the Verizon version. And nobody uses Sprint anymore so... For the AT&T version there is already info here on how to remove their chaos from the Nexus 6.
As far as OTAs, there is nothing to suggest carrier branded phones will be any slower in getting it, really only the CDMA carriers have the ability to screw up the update process with their licensing. For GSM carriers even if somehow they managed to prevent the updates from going to phones using their SIM cards, you should still be able to update manually.
phenix14 said:
I assume your talking about the AT&T version since the T-Mobile version is the same as from the play store and there is no solid info about the Verizon version. And nobody uses Sprint anymore so... For the AT&T version there is already info here on how to remove their chaos from the Nexus 6.
As far as OTAs, there is nothing to suggest carrier branded phones will be any slower in getting it, really only the CDMA carriers have the ability to screw up the update process with their licensing. For GSM carriers even if somehow they managed to prevent the updates from going to phones using their SIM cards, you should still be able to update manually.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Cool thanks! I've been reading a whole bunch of stuff saying "carrier versions of the N6 will get slower updates", so I wondered. Thanks for the response!
And yeah, I was mainly talking about the ATT version
Sent from my Moto X Pure Edition using Tapatalk
phenix14 said:
I assume your talking about the AT&T version since the T-Mobile version is the same as from the play store and there is no solid info about the Verizon version. And nobody uses Sprint anymore so... For the AT&T version there is already info here on how to remove their chaos from the Nexus 6.
As far as OTAs, there is nothing to suggest carrier branded phones will be any slower in getting it, really only the CDMA carriers have the ability to screw up the update process with their licensing. For GSM carriers even if somehow they managed to prevent the updates from going to phones using their SIM cards, you should still be able to update manually.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the info. So what went wrong with Sprint model now?
zephiK said:
The "bloatware" that comes from carriers (very limited) are installed via Play Store depending on what SIM card you're using so theres no way around this.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not true... You just complete the phones initial setup without the sim card inserted.
OP, there is a thread in N6 General about "de-branding" the AT&T N6 you might wanna check out
Sent from my Nexus 6
JeepFreak said:
Not true... You just complete the phones initial setup without the sim card inserted.
OP, there is a thread in N6 General about "de-branding" the AT&T N6 you might wanna check out
Sent from my Nexus 6
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thats why I said depending on what SIM card you're using. Of course if you don't have a SIM card in the phone, then you won't have any of the apps to be installed from the Play Store.
Personally, just leave the SIM card in and then uninstall the apps. I myself am on T-Mobile and the only app they install is T-Mobile My Account which I already use and the app is quite useful.
The whole processing of using the pin to take the SIM card out is too much of a hassle when you can uninstall the apps faster than putting the SIM card back into the device and then waiting for your device to re-register with the network.
As I've mentioned again, the bloatware is not carrier bloatware (at least not on T-Mobile) but on Google's side with the unnecessary Google Earth, Google Fit, Google Books, Google Movies, etc.
Samsung has really disappointed me with the SM-988U locked bootloader. I was away with iPhone for awhile.but always liked the ability to customize with android and Samsung. My last being the Nexus. Now I have the s21 ultra US Verizon phone. Locked down tight as all get out! Sucks! So much potential to make this an awesome handset! Shame on you Samsung and Verizon!
Wolfofphx said:
Samsung has really disappointed me with the SM-988U locked bootloader. I was away with iPhone for awhile.but always liked the ability to customize with android and Samsung. My last being the Nexus. Now I have the s21 ultra US Verizon phone. Locked down tight as all get out! Sucks! So much potential to make this an awesome handset! Shame on you Samsung and Verizon!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Welcome to 4 years ago lol. They did that starting with the S8. If you need to have an unlockable bootloader, you should've done a little research. Also, it's a north American thing with the carriers. The international model isn't as locked down.
The only real advantage in US Carrier Branded devices is if you're on their network you'll have access to their Call Features. Other than that it's a poor option when one considers all the features you'll sacrifice. Unlocked Bootloader, e-Sim or Dual Sims, 512GB Internal Storage, No Bloatware, Timely OTA Updates and no Multi-Year Service Contract. Why buy a Carrier Branded device? I'd rather stick pins in my eyes. Best to look before you leap! FYI - You still have the ability to unlock your bootloader depending on which UI Version you have but it cost $$$ for the service and has a few consequences.
[Android][UNSAMLOCK] Bootloader Unlock for Samsung US/Canada Devices
This thread is @svetius approved Important notice: Do not update to April 2023 security update (XXXXXXXXXXWCX) or later. Examples: G998USQS6EWCA, N986USQU4HWD1. Samsung has patched the bootloader unlock again on those updates. NOTE: The OneUI...
forum.xda-developers.com
beserker15 said:
Welcome to 4 years ago lol. They did that starting with the S8. If you need to have an unlockable bootloader, you should've done a little research. Also, it's a north American thing with the carriers. The international model isn't as locked down.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, it's a bummer for sure!
varcor said:
The only real advantage in US Carrier Branded devices is if you're on their network you'll have access to their Call Features. Other than that it's a poor option when one considers all the features you'll sacrifice. Unlocked Bootloader, e-Sim or Dual Sims, 512GB Internal Storage, No Bloatware, Timely OTA Updates and no Multi-Year Service Contract. Why buy a Carrier Branded device? I'd rather stick pins in my eyes. Best to look before you leap! FYI - You still have the ability to unlock your bootloader depending on which UI Version you have but it cost $$$ for the service and has a few consequences.
[Android][UNSAMLOCK] Bootloader Unlock for Samsung US/Canada Devices
This thread is @svetius approved Important notice: Do not update to April 2023 security update (XXXXXXXXXXWCX) or later. Examples: G998USQS6EWCA, N986USQU4HWD1. Samsung has patched the bootloader unlock again on those updates. NOTE: The OneUI...
forum.xda-developers.com
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah unfortunately my phone came already on BL ver 3 so out of luck on the pay to unlock option.
But you are saying that when the s22 drops I can buy the international unlocked version and be able to avoid all the problems I now have? I couldn't care less about Knox or samsungs apps. Verizon apps for that matter too. I will give that up easily to have root and full ownership of my device
As a user of the international version (EU), I'm surprised that Samsung still locks down the BL.
You really don't need to root. Countless threads on rooting gone bad here.
If it's a carrier phone it would void the warranty and insurance if any.
On a carrier phone the first thing I do is disable the carrier OTA updates, destroyer of worlds.
Remember Samsung is partnered with the carriers, both provide input for firmware and software.
Blame your carrier for much of this
blackhawk said:
You really don't need to root. Countless threads on rooting gone bad here.
If it's a carrier phone it would void the warranty and insurance if any.
On a carrier phone the first thing I do is disable the carrier OTA updates, destroyer of worlds.
Remember Samsung is partnered with the carriers, both provide input for firmware and software.
Blame your carrier for much of this
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Any advice how to disable OTA all I've been able to do is postpone. But after 20 days they force the update
Wolfofphx said:
Any advice how to disable OTA all I've been able to do is postpone. But after 20 days they force the update
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's as insidious as malware. I think it's stored in the system cache after download so clearing the cache should purge it. Otherwise a factory reset.
Once installed though, game over.
I use this app to kill it:
Home - Package Disabler
The only NON-root solution that let’s you disable any unwanted packages that come pre-installed / installed with your phone / tablet.
www.packagedisabler.com
There's also this one linked in this thread but I haven't tested it:
Galaxy Note 10 / Note 10+ Plus Debloat / bloatware removal list
Hey everyone! New phone, new debloat / bloatware removal list! Please see my original post from the Galaxy S8 to see the XDA article on how to do this. https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8/how-to/s8-debloat-bloatware-thread-t3669009...
forum.xda-developers.com
AT&T* tech support can disable OTA on their end, yes they really can. You may need to beat them up a bit but it can be disabled. A package disabler is the easiest plus you can disable other pesky apks. I have about 90 disabled, some I toggle on/off as needed.
*presumably Verizon, etc can do the same. I had to lean on AT&T pretty hard to get it done... a stone cold pleasure
It's only applies to that one device not the account.
From your title, I thought Samsung is partnering with Facebook, or something.
Wolfofphx said:
Yeah unfortunately my phone came already on BL ver 3 so out of luck on the pay to unlock option.
But you are saying that when the s22 drops I can buy the international unlocked version and be able to avoid all the problems I now have? I couldn't care less about Knox or samsungs apps. Verizon apps for that matter too. I will give that up easily to have root and full ownership of my device
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
While no one knows for certain what changes Samsung will incorporate into the S22, based on their recent offerings it's likely they will still offer unlocked bootloaders on their global variants. The major US Carriers are the reason bootloaders remained locked tight in the US but there's always hope a savvy developer will create a functional workaround.