Things you'd like other people to read, think about and maybe even discuss.
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"Behavioral scientists often divide what we do on the job or learn in school into two categories: 'algorithmic' and 'heuristic.' An algorithmic task is one in which you follow a set of established instructions down a single pathway to one conclusion. That is, there's an algorithm for solving it. A heuristic task is the opposite. Precisely because no algorithm exists for it, you have to experiment with possibilities and devise a novel solution. Working as a grocery checkout clerk is mostly algorithmic. You do pretty much the same thing over and over in a certain way. Creating an ad campaign is mostly heuristic. You have to come up with something new.
"During the twentieth century, most work was algorithmic -- and not just jobs where you turned the same screw the same way all day long. Even when we traded blue collars for white, the tasks we carried out were often routine. That is, we could reduce much of what we did -- in accounting, law, computer programming, and other fields -- to a script, a spec sheet, a formula, or a series of steps that produced a right answer. ... The consulting firm McKinsey & Co. estimates that in the United States, only 30 percent of job growth now comes from algorithmic work, while 70 percent comes from heuristic work. A key reason: Routine work can be out sourced or automated; artistic, empathic, nonroutine work generally cannot.
"The implications for motivation are vast. Researchers such as Harvard Business School's Teresa Amabile have found that external rewards and punishments -- both carrots and sticks -- can work nicely for algorithmic tasks. But they can be devastating for heuristic ones. Those sorts of challenges -- solving novel problems or creating something the world didn't know it was missing -- depend heavily on ... the intrinsic motivation principle of creativity, which holds, in part: 'Intrinsic motivation is conducive to creativity; controlling extrinsic motivation is detrimental to creativity.'!' In other words, the central tenets of Motivation 2.0 [external 'carrot and stick' motivation] may actually impair performance of the heuristic, right-brain work on which modern economies depend.
"Partly because work has become more creative and less routine, it has also become more enjoyable. That, too, scrambles Motivation 2.0's assumptions. This operating system rests on the belief that work is not inherently enjoyable -- which is precisely why we must coax people with external rewards and threaten them with outside punishment. One unexpected finding of the psychologist Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi ... is that people are much more likely to report having 'optimal experiences' on the job [in heuristic work] than during leisure. But if work is inherently enjoyable for more and more people, then the external inducements at the heart of Motivation 2.0 become less necessary. Worse, as [Edward L.] Deci began discovering forty years ago, adding certain kinds of extrinsic rewards on top of inherently interesting tasks can often dampen motivation and diminish performance. ...
"What happens when you give people a [complex] conceptual [problem] and offer them rewards for speedy solutions? Sam Glucksberg, a psychologist now at Princeton University, tested this in the early 1960s by timing how quickly two groups of participants solved the ... problem. He told the first group that he was timing their work merely to establish norms for how long it typically took someone to complete this sort of puzzle. To the second group he offered incentives. If a participant's time was among the fastest 25 percent of all the people being tested, that participant would receive $5. If the participant's time was the fastest of all, the reward would be $20. Adjusted for inflation, those are decent sums of money for a few minutes of effort -- a nice motivator.
"How much faster did the incentivized group come up with a solution? On average, it took them nearly three and a half minutes longer.' Yes, three and a half minutes longer. (Whenever I've relayed these results to a group of businesspeople, the reaction is almost always a loud, pained, involuntary gasp.) In direct contravention to the core tenets of Motivation 2.0, an incentive designed to clarify thinking and sharpen creativity ended up clouding thinking and dulling creativity. Why? Rewards, by their very nature, narrow our focus. That's helpful when there's a clear path to a solution. They help us stare ahead and race faster. But 'if-then' motivators are terrible for [complex conceptual problems]. As this experiment shows, the rewards narrowed people's focus and blinkered the wide view that might have allowed them to see new uses for old objects."
Author: Daniel H. Pink
Title: Drive: The Surprising Truth About What Motivates Us
Publisher: Penguin Group
Date: Copyright 2009 by Daniel H. Pink
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Nope.. didnt read the whole thing
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This is going to end up being the tl;dr thread...
Also, from a writer's perspective, a snippet is a few lines, a fragment of text no more than 10-20 lines long.
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ShadowLea said:
This is going to end up being the tl;dr thread...
Also, from a writer's perspective, a snippet is a few lines, a fragment of text no more than 10-20 lines long.
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Fine, call it the Articles thread...
Not that anyone other than me has posted an article here.
"I am the hope of the universe. I am the answer to all living things that cry out for peace. I am protector of the innocent. I am the light in the darkness. I am truth. Ally to good! Nightmare to you!"
Inspiring, is it not?
"Be yourself, Everyone else is taken"
How does concious free will arise from deterministic phenomena?
Does multiverse theory sufficiently explain the anthropomorphic principle?
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Ichigo said:
"I am the hope of the universe. I am the answer to all living things that cry out for peace. I am protector of the innocent. I am the light in the darkness. I am truth. Ally to good! Nightmare to you!"
Inspiring, is it not?
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I'll let the Dr. Hunter S. Thompson take on your inspirational quote:
“We are all wired into a survival trip now. No more of the speed that fueled that 60's. That was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around America selling "consciousness expansion" without ever giving a thought to the grim meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the people who took him seriously... All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy Peace and Understanding for three bucks a hit. But their loss and failure is ours too. What Leary took down with him was the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped create... a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the desperate assumption that somebody... or at least some force - is tending the light at the end of the tunnel.”
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How does concious free will arise from deterministic phenomena?
Does multiverse theory sufficiently explain the anthropomorphic principle?
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I'll let the Dr. Hunter S. Thompson take on your inspirational quote:
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post-modernists are self-glorifying trolls
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post-modernists are self-glorifying trolls
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...that get you thinking.
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...that get you thinking.
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...... about how post-modernists are self-glorifying trolls.
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post-modernists are self-glorifying trolls
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Post modern? Wut?
There future is full of trolls?
Anti-post modernism is so post-modernist.
Edit: That's not quite true. It appears precision was sacrificed for succinctness in that statement.
A better statement would be, "Deconstructing post-modernism to the level of its adherents in an effort to subvert the authority of the post-modernist is so post-modern."
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"It's not about what stick you're swinging. It's about who's swinging it." - Sgt. Shepherd
Sent through the Time Vortex!
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That sounds wrong
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Dr_SUSE said:
Anti-post modernism is so post-modernist.
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A better statement would be, "Deconstructing post-modernism to the level of its adherents in an effort to subvert the authority of the post-modernist is so post-modern."
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Not really. Instead of providing an interpretation of something, post modernists like to say that there is no point in having interpretations because they essentially mean nothing.
Actually, when you think about it, they're sort of contradicting themselves o.o
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Anti-post modernism is so post-modernist.
Edit: That's not quite true. It appears precision was sacrificed for succinctness in that statement.
A better statement would be, "Deconstructing post-modernism to the level of its adherents in an effort to subvert the authority of the post-modernist is so post-modern."
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Not really. Instead of providing an interpretation of something, post modernists like to say that there is no point in having interpretations because they essentially mean nothing.
Actually, when you think about it, they're sort of contradicting themselves o.o
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What post-modernists reject is definition, not interpretation. To the post-modernist, interpretation is everything, but if you try to define something, that thing is then dead. Krishamurti (The Pool of Wisdom) wrote on that very subject, which is funny because he's not widely regarded as a post-modernist. The statement "post-modernists are self-glorifying trolls" falls short of a definition, and I don't think you intended it as one. If an alien came to earth asking about post-modernism, and that was all he was told, he wouldn't leave with a better idea than the one he came with. I don't think anyone really has a clear idea what post-modernism is, because that's kind of the point of it. What's the meta-definition of post-modernism? Is it art? Philosophy? A method? I'd like to see post-modern math. Wouldn't that be a trip? Wasn't Socrates a post-modernist? He was pretty skeptical. Skepticism is the heart of post-modernism.
Erroneously or not, I took your statement as a rebuttal to my quote from Hunter S. Thompson, who is regarded as post-modern. If that wasn't your intention, my what a coincidence, and look what it hath wrought! Was HST a troll? HST was theoriginal troll. Was he self-glorifying? My yes, he was an arrogant pr**k. Did he raise questions while entertaining us? Yes, and yes. Sometimes trolls have a purpose. Which a post-modernist would say is provided by our subjective interpretation.
I can easily see how some would use post-modern skepticism as a tool by some to deface everything around them as a method of self-glorification, but that's not a very healthy use of skepticism; that is, indeed, trollery. This way of using of skepticism certainly is encompassed by your "deconstructive" statement regarding the post-modernist, but a post-modernist would say that is but one subjective interpretation.
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Veeman, Prototype, see:
Post-Modernism.
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If I were to in insult the HTC HD2 would I be considered trolling?
If I praised it instead, would I be considered trolling to?
If took a dump on the iPhone, would I be a troll?
If I praised the iPhone, would I be a troll?
Well, I think the context certainly helps in determining whether something is trolling, as is the way one says it. If you talk about how great the iPhone is in a respectful manner and in the General Discussion subforum or the Off-Topic subforum, that's not really trolling at all. If you go to the HD2 subforum and make a thread that's about how the iPhone is so much better than Windows Mobile, and how the HD2 sucks so much, there's no doubt about it that you're trolling.
It's the same if you go to an iPhone forum and create threads talking about how the HD2 is so much better than their stupid iPhones. All four situations you listed could be done in a manner that would be considered offensive/trolling, and all four could be done in a respectful manner in the appropriate places and be more or less acceptable for that forum.
I think DaveTheTytNIIGuy pretty much sums it up. The context is all important.
I tend to think of Trolls as folk who are being unnecessarily black and white about something and posting it where common sense would tell you it will stir up animosity rather than measured discussion.
Another mark of Trolls for me is their past posting history. Do they always post controversial, argument-enciting posts, or are they most often calm sensible posters. Just sometimes what can look like a Troll post is actually a bit of a vent by a normally sensible person who for whatever reason has become very frustrated.
A person with only 10 posts all of which stir up controversy is probably a Troll.
A person with a few hundred calm, sensible posts and one that is "having-a-go" at something, is not a Troll and should be read carefully without letting your emotions run high.
JMHO
Mike
IMHO, I would add to that;
excessive use of inappropriate language (cursing/swearing)
gender and ethnic profiling
provoking/inciting comments about a fellow member and/or viewpoint
intentionally fueling an already volatile discussion
Essentially ... a 'NO' answer to this question: "If I respond in this manner, will it contribute to the discussion at hand in a positive fashion?"
As it would happen, we have the perfect example
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=669335
XDA devs is one of the few forums that doesn't warrant my trolly side.
I see no reason to rile anyone up here, we're all in the same boat and are generally intelligent people who are on a quest for knowledge, holding their devices in high regard!
That said, OP, you sound like a clueless 12-year old spamming newbie! Only an 1337-speaking loser would post an iPhone thread on XDA whining about how Apple is better than HTC, and place it in the wrong forum. LAME. You then continued to bump your thread with a double-posted off-topic "YOU ALL SUCK" message in all caps, uninteresting with a mean tone of voice, with no information that was true.
You must now apologize to everyone in this forum, post something relevent, then give up your AOL internet account. After that, you must bust up your modem then eat it, and go stand in the middle of an intersection. If that doesn't work, then jump into a bathtub holding your monitor.
After posting something relevant, you must never post again (take your crap somewhere else), and go play with your Dress-Up Barbie because your IQ is about 6. Get a life, man! I pity your family! Just please, do us all a favor and jump into some industrial equipment.
Thank you for your cooperation
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As it would happen, we have the perfect example
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=669335
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Good 'ol trolling!!! What a joy
The other day I installed that selfaware.cab from here and my HD2 shouted '******!' at someone using an iPhone in the street
Needless to say, the iPhone user went into the fetal position and burst into tears.
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The other day I installed that selfaware.cab from here and my HD2 shouted '******!' at someone using an iPhone in the street
Needless to say, the iPhone user went into the fetal position and burst into tears.
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hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!! that made my monday!!
This thread is fake and gay.
That's some classic trolling.
I have an HD2, my boyfriend has an iPhone.. things are complicated..
Seriously though, if anyone actually tries to claim that the iPhone is "better" than the HD2, they are either:
- An apple fanboy
- Ignorant
- A troll
- An engineer (i.e someone who gets off on the iPhone's build and design quality and completely ignores its total lack of functionality.)
My boyfriend falls into the 1st and 4th category. He tells me about the iPhone's beautifully machined buttons, how they cost $1 per button as opposed to the $0.02 that other phone companies spend. But then he has to sign off skype whenever he wants to check his train times, and then he cries.
RickAstley said:
I have an HD2, my boyfriend has an iPhone.. things are complicated..
Seriously though, if anyone actually tries to claim that the iPhone is "better" than the HD2, they are either:
- An apple fanboy
- Ignorant
- A troll
- An engineer (i.e someone who gets off on the iPhone's build and design quality and completely ignores its total lack of functionality.)
My boyfriend falls into the 1st and 4th category. He tells me about the iPhone's beautifully machined buttons, how they cost $1 per button as opposed to the $0.02 that other phone companies spend. But then he has to sign off skype whenever he wants to check his train times, and then he cries.
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Rick Astley has a "boyfriend" that like Iphones!!!
That explains a lot of the 80's behavior
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But then he has to sign off skype whenever he wants to check his train times, and then he cries.
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Keep an eye on him my friend -- just the other day I had some random sonofabitch message me on Skype with "r u in2 ifonez? u gt cam?" -- before I could even respond with a mandatory pwning he had signed off, most likely to check train times.
You may have stated various times over the years that he was a guy who didn't warrant any 'giving up' on, but that was before the iPhone was invented and he got hold of one.
Gotta make you understand, Mr. Astley, the iPhone SUCKS.
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Keep an eye on him my friend -- just the other day I had some random sonofabitch message me on Skype with "r u in2 ifonez? u gt cam?" -- before I could even respond with a mandatory pwning he had signed off, most likely to check train times.
You may have stated various times over the years that he was a guy who didn't warrant any 'giving up' on, but that was before the iPhone was invented and he got hold of one.
Gotta make you understand, Mr. Astley, the iPhone SUCKS.
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Second that!!
This is how my cry sounded when I was offered an Iphone insted os a WinMO phone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSI0YjPFPoo&feature=related
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This thread is fake and gay..
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We created it to keep you happy and make you feel at home!
Have some nice Trolling back!
Mike
mikechannon said:
We created it to keep you happy and make you feel at home!
Have some nice Trolling back!
Mike
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ouch!
mikechannon said:
We created it to keep you happy and make you feel at home!
Have some nice Trolling back!
Mike
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It's the thought that counts Even if the thought was stupid.
Trolling is too much fun sometimes.
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It's the thought that counts Even if the thought was stupid.
Trolling is too much fun sometimes.
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But stupid thoughts are the best, putting them into practice is even better
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But stupid thoughts are the best, putting them into practice is even better
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Only on video, which leads into the next common trolling phrase:
Pics or gtfo.
I do have difficulty sometimes with this topic. I oftentimes just post my true opinions and people have called it trolling. I sometimes can filter but sometimes I'm just putting in my two sense. I saw the thread on Iceland photos and wanted to post my thoughts on Iceland that I don't really care if that country sank and was completely eliminated, but I stopped myself, thinking that it would be misinterpreted as trolling.
True story : I picked up a load of colored painted lumber in Atlanta and dropped it off in Lancaster, pa. An Amish family that made high end custom play sets for rich folks and wow the stuff the could build seemed like some from a Harry Potter movie. We started talking about technology and they didn't desire to have a cellphone or any phone for that matter. They seemed so much at peace with just the basics in life. Clearly they live in a area with malls but still appreciated life in a simple form. Now its 2011 and most folks can't go a day without cellphone use, and have a piss fit if they cell is about to die while at the mall. We stand in long lines waiting for the new it phone then rush home to make an unboxing video as others tune to watch us in awe to remove the plastic off a device. We call up the carriers begging for an update to get a new device.. log in to sites like this and complain about the device and while asking developers to stop spending time with your family and hurry up on that root so i can do a whole bunch of nothing with my phone. I'm not saying cellphones are bad, if your wife ran out to pick up pizza and got a flat you definitely want her to have one in that situation. I'm talking bout being apart of the gimmick crowd...
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True story : I picked up a load of colored painted lumber in Atlanta and dropped it off in Lancaster, pa. An Amish family that made high end custom play sets for rich folks and wow the stuff the could build seemed like some from a Harry Potter movie. We started talking about technology and they didn't desire to have a cellphone or any phone for that matter. They seemed so much at peace with just the basics in life. Clearly they live in a area with malls but still appreciated life in a simple form. Now its 2011 and most folks can't go a day without cellphone use, and have a piss fit if they cell is about to die while at the mall. We stand in long lines waiting for the new it phone then rush home to make an unboxing video as others tune to watch us in awe to remove the plastic off a device. We call up the carriers begging for an update to get a new device.. log in to sites like this and complain about the device and while asking developers to stop spending time with your family and hurry up on that root so i can do a whole bunch of nothing with my phone. I'm not saying cellphones are bad, if your wife ran out to pick up pizza and got a flat you definitely want her to have one in that situation. I'm talking bout being apart of the gimmick crowd...
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I'm happy to be there. My firm belief is that technology will produce the paradise we all want. Unlike some conservative types, I don't adhere to the rule of suffering in life all the time. They think the only good person is one who is 24/7/365 suffering and doing without. We make technology to overcome the environment, not to continue to suffer in it. The only reason there is any form of suffering in the world is because technology hasn't developed to the point of addressing all of the needs. As long as a person holds onto their ethical and moral integrity, suffering is needless.
Don't like this idea. Some people always say that these are just devices that call and text, everything else is excess and we don't need it in our daily lives. Like we should be grateful we have them. But this is called progress. At one time, we didn't have cars or color tv or this latest gadget. And we have adjusted our lives accordingly so that they are essentials in day to day living. It's foolish to just live in the past or sit still, the world moves at a fast pace. If we didn't feel a need for more, innovation would just stop. They don't even call cell phones "cell phones" anymore, they call them mobiles because that's what they are. Mobile devices
Yes, I agree with you geeksquadryder. As we are forgetting what a real life is? We need mobiles for doing our daily work but some people getting mobiles for not satisfying must needs but for fun. We know how much impact these mobiles can have in our life in helping and ruining. So, its upto the head of the home to teach or drive his/her home to be happy with/without things of needed.
Our biggest mistake was coming down from the trees in the first place. Everything since then is just compounded error. Too late to go back now!
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Don't like this idea. Some people always say that these are just devices that call and text, everything else is excess and we don't need it in our daily lives. Like we should be grateful we have them. But this is called progress. At one time, we didn't have cars or color tv or this latest gadget. And we have adjusted our lives accordingly so that they are essentials in day to day living. It's foolish to just live in the past or sit still, the world moves at a fast pace. If we didn't feel a need for more, innovation would just stop. They don't even call cell phones "cell phones" anymore, they call them mobiles because that's what they are. Mobile devices
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people are constantly saying how technology has made ungrateful and ruined lives. I don't see how wanting the most out of your phone can ruin your life. This is called evolution/progress. I'm glad we have cell phones and I'm glad technology is getting better and I hope one day I won't have to lift a finger to do many of the tedious tasks I do on a day to day basis.
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If we just stick to "need" when we live life, we'd be a very poor society. Much of the art and technology we have today have made it so far for want of innovation and pleasure. And yes, also for pure fun.
It's not excessive, it's creative, new, interesting and in this way, important. Especially since we came down from the trees...
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Our biggest mistake was coming down from the trees in the first place. Everything since then is just compounded error. Too late to go back now!
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Yup. Now we are describing quantum physics with languages initially designed to tell the other monkey where the fruit was.
yeah, and let's just revert back to farming for every one right...
i'll use whatever tech i want, you can go be a luddite.
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yeah, and let's just revert back to farming for every one right...
i'll use whatever tech i want, you can go be a luddite.
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Or use two tin cans and a string...
(somebody's sig, that is)
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Or use two tin cans and a string...
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That would be 1970's tech to the Amish.
By the way, anyone know what an Amish guy's arm up a horse's butt is? A mechanic.
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Yup. Now we are describing quantum physics with languages initially designed to tell the other monkey where the fruit was.
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Mind = blown! Genius post
I do often think the Amish and others of that ilk have the right idea. It may be luddism but as a society i bet they are generally happier than the rest of the world at large.
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Mind = blown! Genius post
I do often think the Amish and others of that ilk have the right idea. It may be luddism but as a society i bet they are generally happier than the rest of the world at large.
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Sorry to tell you but technology is important. I always remember the economics of technology, where tech has the potential of drastically changing supply, demand or both.
It increases the quality of life, and frees us to do things that are more important, like putting funny captions on pictures of cats instead of adding up a few thousand lines of labour costs.
You read HHGTTG, there was one book where people used leaves as currency...
p/s: I stole that initial quote from Pratchett.
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Sorry to tell you but technology is important. I always remember the economics of technology, where tech has the potential of drastically changing supply, demand or both.
It increases the quality of life, and frees us to do things that are more important, like putting funny captions on pictures of cats instead of adding up a few thousand lines of labour costs.
You read HHGTTG, there was one book where people used leaves as currency...
p/s: I stole that initial quote from Pratchett.
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As i said earlier, it's too late to go back now. I disagree that technology improves lives though. More people die because of technology than are saved by it. You have to remember that as a race we have stopped evolving; instead our tools are evolving. Rather than changing to adapt to our environment we are trying to change our environment to adapt to us. This is not a good thing.
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As i said earlier, it's too late to go back now. I disagree that technology improves lives though. More people die because of technology than are saved by it. You have to remember that as a race we have stopped evolving; instead our tools are evolving. Rather than changing to adapt to our environment we are trying to change our environment to adapt to us. This is not a good thing.
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Wow, I could berate you over that. But I won't. The reason I want to is because THAT is a main part of the conservative/religious ideal. It's ignorant because they believe they...embodied in their gray matter...have all understanding and knowledge of the universe and existence. Because of this, they push hardship and suffering on society as something good for us.
These pea-brained idiots never consider they do not know everything. They have a thought, and because *they* have that thought, it has to be correct and righteous. So therefor they proceed to prevent society from having peace and they thwart all technological progress as much they can and call it evil. They are the kind that believes only someone who is constantly suffering is a better person. And they do that to people.
They see one aspect of something and conclude that it leads to what they believe it should.
You'll have to pardon my intensity because here in America, that is exactly what happened to my life. My life was wiped out as though it was nothing to me by ideological/religious/conservative zealots. With an attitude of, "You'll thank me when you recover". The only problem is they had no clue how destructive their ideology was to me and it obliterated my life.
I'm a godless Atheist but this is not a religious discussion! I love technology but i admit that the cost far outweighs the benefits. The global gene pool is getting weaker by the day while we rape the planet that we rely on to survive.
Advancement is inevitable but so is entropy. Equilibrium will be returned but i guarantee it won't be in a way that's favourable to human life.
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I'm a godless Atheist but this is not a religious discussion! I love technology but i admit that the cost far outweighs the benefits. The global gene pool is getting weaker by the day while we rape the planet that we rely on to survive.
Advancement is inevitable but so is entropy. Equilibrium will be returned but i guarantee it won't be in a way that's favourable to human life.
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Amen, I mean, I agree to that (zing!).
Truth is, I believe that technology helped me a lot. I mean, Microsoft Excel is a million times better than an A3 piece of paper and a calculator.
But certain techs makes us dumber, and not smarter. We don't use it to expand ourselves and our capabilities, but to limit ourselves and reduce innovation and creativity.
Case in point; iPhone.
**sniff sniff** smells like..... religious overtones.... wafting through the air....
(What I'm doing here.......... Your seing it??)
Marty, I'm looking in your direction......
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**sniff sniff** smells like..... religious overtones.... wafting through the air....
(What I'm doing here.......... Your seing it??)
Marty, I'm looking in your direction......
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Lol. Would be like missing John Cleese goose stepping through dining room...
Religion is OK just don't mention the war!!!
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Lol. Would be like missing John Cleese goose stepping through dining room...
Religion is OK just don't mention the war!!!
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What war? The one where they killed everyone for staying in some place long ago, or the one where they kill everyone else for being someone else?
Wait, I got that mixed up, didn't I, it was the one where they killed people for being different, right?
p/s: religion talk is never ok, especially when it gets slightly out of hand. Note the understatement
A bit of physics (quite heavy physics at that) has crept up recently in a few other threads, and there doesn't appear to be anywhere specifically created to discuss it.... UNTIL NOW!!
Anyway, I believe that physics and philosophy have a lot of mutual ground. I know that some will agree, and many, from both disciplines, will disagree. Unless I change my mind, though, this is the official place for physics and philosophy discussion.
Go...
Seems we've found quite a few people who have at least a passing interest in physics on here recently, which I think is great! I don't know much - just enough to have a reasonable conversation - but if I can learn more then this thread is definitely worth it!
It'd also be nice to hear other people's philosophical ideas. The more ideas we have, probably the closer to the truth we are!
Much as I love theology, I fear such discussions wouuld breach the rules.
So physics and philosophy is enough for me
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Much as I love theology, I fear such discussions wouuld breach the rules.
So physics and philosophy is enough for me
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That's a good point - I hadn't thought about that. I'm sure just open discussion wouldn't be a problem, but it could incite argument which would obviously be the reason for rules against such discussions.
Let us forget said theology discussions then. P&P FTW
Watched an excellent Horizon program on the Earth's core, much better than the one on chaos which always struck me as a cop out by mathematicians that we used to call margin of error that just happens to produce cool t-shirt designs.
Great idea for a thread tbh. Stops my ramblings overflowing into other threads...and as you may have noticed i have quite a bit to say on the matter!
Always interested to hear what others have to say on the subject too.
DirkGently1 said:
I won't tell you how to complile C++, as i know less than nothing about it, but if you challenge the laws of Physics you had better come prepared!
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Up is down. Black is white
Although, admittedly, there is an argument for black is white.
I wish they taught Ohm's and Watt's laws in schools (especially Slovakian ones) *sigh*
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Much as I love theology, I fear such discussions wouuld breach the rules.
So physics and philosophy is enough for me
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johncmolyneux said:
That's a good point - I hadn't thought about that. I'm sure just open discussion wouldn't be a problem, but it could incite argument which would obviously be the reason for rules against such discussions.
Let us forget said theology discussions then. P&P FTW
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Keeping the thread free of problematic content shouldn't be an issue with your friendly neighbourhood moderator lurking in the background....
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I wish they taught Ohm's and Watt's laws in schools (especially Slovakian ones) *sigh*
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They did at mine....
Sadly though, I dont believe they even teach basic numeracy these days based on some they little buggers I have to suffer on a daily basis...
Okay, so I guess I'll kick off the physics, which surely will segue into the philosiphy part eventually.
What's everyone's thoughts on multiverse theories, concepts of infinite parallel universes as related to m-brane/string theory and such.
If there is the possibility of an infinite number of universes, then all possible combinations of all possible details must/should exist, thereby possibly diminishing our own 'uniqueness' a bit? How likely is the existence of parallel universes? Which theory is the soundest?
A good book to learn about most of the most credible multiverse theories is 'The Hidden Reality' by Brian Greene. He also has a pretty excellent book called 'The Elegant Universe' for anyone interested in a good read about theoretical/quantum physics. I'm a bit of an amateur physics nerd lol. (kinda a common trait of those with Aspergers syndrome)
Let the discussions begin!!
I think the string theory is good on paper but I am little skeptical about it being practical.
Though it solves some complex question about universe, I don't think we have a parallel universe.
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4silvertooth said:
I think the string theory is good on paper but I am little skeptical about it being practical.
Though it solves some complex question about universe, I don't think we have a parallel universe.
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Under certain theories, other universes don't even have to exist outside of the one we inhabit. If our universe is truly infinite (not really that likely tbh) then there are an infinite number of areas of this universe that are too far from one another to ever be affected by other areas (not even light ever reaching each other due to expansion of space itsself) so by that line of thinking, each of these 'separated areas' could be considered like their own 'bubble universe' and an infinite number of these would generate every possible combination of all possible details.
As far as whether string/m-theory are believable or likely to be correct, they are definitely not directly proveable or disproveable due to limitations of current technology to test on such small scales, but much of the substance of theories is indirectly confirmed through process of elimination with already hard-proven science.
I loved my Physics class when I was in high school, but that's about it. Nothing really special can be taught for a year and now I'm looking forward for my Physics class in college.
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Okay, so I guess I'll kick off the physics, which surely will segue into the philosiphy part eventually.
What's everyone's thoughts on multiverse theories, concepts of infinite parallel universes as related to m-brane/string theory and such.
If there is the possibility of an infinite number of universes, then all possible combinations of all possible details must/should exist, thereby possibly diminishing our own 'uniqueness' a bit? How likely is the existence of parallel universes? Which theory is the soundest?
A good book to learn about most of the most credible multiverse theories is 'The Hidden Reality' by Brian Greene. He also has a pretty excellent book called 'The Elegant Universe' for anyone interested in a good read about theoretical/quantum physics. I'm a bit of an amateur physics nerd lol. (kinda a common trait of those with Aspergers syndrome)
Let the discussions begin!!
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There's lot's of us about it would seem. We tend to gravitate to the same interests. (Pardon the pun)
I'm not a big fan of String Theory and multiverses, but i am interested in what it has to say about the possibilities of hidden dimensions that we don't know about yet. Perhaps this line of research will answer some questions about the mystery of how gravity is so weak compared to the other forces?
Researchers that favour MOND as a possible answer to the bigger mysteries of our time, had a setback this week:
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/09/relativity-and-dark-matter-survive-a-redshif-test.ars
I'd kinda hoped that something would come of MOND. The idea that gravity may not be constant was a nice way of explaining away the discrepancies of the missing Mass in the Universe, rather that having to look for Dark Matter as a solution.
And then there's Dark Energy to explain away and the expansion of the Universe. What is Dark Energy and how is it driving the continued acceleration?
From what I've read, empty space has small amounts of energy, known as Quantum Jitters, where if you look at empty space on a small enough scale, the structure of space itsself would break down to a constantly moving 'foam'. I can only imagine that these small amounts of energy when all added up, since the universe is so huge, would add up to a pretty sizeable amount of energy, just it's so spread out it's pretty much undetectable. If empty space is full of energy, then why wouldn't it expand on its own?
These tiny jitters are what caused matter to group up together in the first place after the BB, if not for them, the universe would have remained evenly dipersed matter, no stars would have formed to create all the different elements, and space would be dark by now. I would find it to be believeable that even those tiny jitters when added up would be enough to fuel or at least contribute to expansion, and the increasing distance between matter would account for accelleration, right?
I'm probably wrong, but that's kinda how I've always thought of it
huggs said:
Under certain theories, other universes don't even have to exist outside of the one we inhabit. If our universe is truly infinite (not really that likely tbh) then there are an infinite number of areas of this universe that are too far from one another to ever be affected by other areas.
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I'll just prove the universe is infinite no matter what.
Consider the universe you know finite or infinite to be a dot on a paper that paper is on a table that table in a room in a house in a street in city... country...earth.. universe now consider all that being a dot on paper on table and list goes on, so in simple thinking universe is infinite.
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Universe is infinite because we can't prove the finite boundaries. Hence, it is observably infinite because we can't observe the finite. Hypotheses rationality.
sakai4eva said:
Universe is infinite because we can't prove the finite boundaries. Hence, it is observably infinite because we can't observe the finite. Hypotheses rationality.
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There's a difference between what we can prove and what is true. Not being able to prove that the universe is finite has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not it is. We just make assumptions, due to not being able to use facts, and that's where a lot of fail science comes from.
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There's a difference between what we can prove and what is true. Not being able to prove that the universe is finite has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not it is. We just make assumptions, due to not being able to use facts, and that's where a lot of fail science comes from.
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Although good science will list the assumptions and perform experiments to test them.
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Although good science will list the assumptions and perform experiments to test them.
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Absolutely, but science based on assumptions... isn't that an oxymoron? There's a lot of "theoretical" science out there, and you may as well just put a Star Trek sticker on it for all the validity it holds.
Hi,
Everyone should know the lines from Steve Jobs below:
"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple’s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong,” Jobs said. “I’m going to destroy Android, because it’s a stolen product. I’m willing to go thermonuclear war on this.”
Now, I expect there are a lot of talented graphic artists here in XDA who loves Android.
Could anyone create an image of our beloved Android robot, rolling on the floor laughing while pointing finger to the above quoted text?
We should create a competition for graphic artists to create such image as funny as possible!
Come on, show us your creativity!
Probably with simple caption like "Apple, you can keep dreaming" ...
I request that even though many people on here are android fanboys ( not a bad thing ) that they respect what Steve Jobs and apple did for the industry and remember that he died doing what he loved.
Whether or not you agree, his anger is justifiable in the sense that android's UI had large similarities to iOS. Icons, layout, etc. He is human and thus experiences emotions which may or may not blind or sway his judgment.
"android is a stolen product"
Really Jobs? As I remeber Mac Os' are nothin really more than linux computers with apple branding all over.
Don't you mean UNIX? And I don't think what his basis of staling is the same with your basis of stealing. His basis is that this OS was just an outright copy, a wannabe iOS (again due to the striking similarities at the time). Hence a "stolen product". And if I remember correctly, UNIX is open source no? How can you steal something open source? Moreover, if i remember correctly again, it is not entirely UNIX, it simply has codes which were allowed to be taken and were taken for use.
I would like to see how android stood in a full on legal assault.
Apple is more or less doing this through the manufacturers.
Too soon.... show some respect.
You will find it everywhere. There is a famous quote by Gates. He once told Jobs:
“Well, Steve, I think there’s more than one way of looking at it. I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbour named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it.”
Turducken said:
Too soon.... show some respect.
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Really its been a couple weeks i swear if I didn't know better id think he was Jesus or the president. That said it is not to soon everyone can now get over it.
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I think people are a little too sensitive about this. And while I understand what he was getting at, I do believe it was over the top. Instead of viewing this thread as a personal attack, just view it as him being remembered.
rd_nest said:
You will find it everywhere. There is a famous quote by Gates. He once told Jobs:
“Well, Steve, I think there’s more than one way of looking at it. I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbour named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it.”
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Personally, I find this quote even better. It's hilarious.
Well that just leaves a couple more Steves who want to destroy Google.
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Kailkti said:
Apple is more or less doing this through the manufacturers.
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Exactly. They don't dare go directly against Google.
Turducken said:
Too soon.... show some respect.
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Why? Didn't know Steve had a following akin to religious fanatics... oh
/runs inside to avoid iQaeda's group of exploding iPhone bombs
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I'm trying to help prevent a local small business from being shut down. Your signature could be the one that makes the difference!
Here's the link: http://wh.gov/3u6W - Please share this link!
You have to create an account, but it takes like five seconds.
Here's the story: There is a tobacco store in Olive Branch, MS that lets you roll your own cigarettes. You pay for the tobacco, the tubes, and time on his machine. You load it yourself and roll your own cigarettes. That way the store doesn't have to classify itself as a manufacturer. Well just after the 4th of July, the government stepped in and told him that he can no longer do that. Now he's scraping by trying to sell cigars and other smoking accessories. This store used naturally grown tobacco and had a variety of different blends and tubes for you to pick from. The best part is that the prices are great! If you buy a pack, you buy 20 cigarettes and the box which comes to about $3.79. For a carton, you spend $27.95 and I believe menthols are a dollar more. Either way, it's a very interesting concept and it helps people save money. And we all know that the economy isn't the greatest. From what I understand, this kind of store is gaining popularity in places like California and Florida.
Please take the time to register and help out a local small businessman. It only takes a few seconds. He needs 25,000 signatures by July 31st and there's just over 3,600 on there now. And once again, your signature could be the one that helps!
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Dude. It is a federal law that took effect. It is not just that guy in Olive Branch MS.
It is all over that this is happening.
Sorry, not gonna support cigarette smoking.
mf2112 said:
Sorry, not gonna support cigarette smoking.
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This is one of the FEW times I agree with mf2112, I can't really sign my support to a cancer company.
StormMcCloud said:
This is one of the FEW times I agree with mf2112, I can't really sign my support to a cancer company.
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People are always going to smoke. It's just a fact. At least natural tobacco cigs (like the ones sold at the store the OP is trying to save) don't have all kinds of nasty chemicals in them and the proceeds don't go to "Big Tobacco" (seriously one of the most evil lobbying groups after big oil and Pharma).
I signed it, I think it's a cool concept. And I always support a free market.
I do understand why some non-smokers don't want to support tobacco in any way, especially considering that they might have loved ones that have died or worse form tobacco use. I know the dangers and and have made the choice to smoke. Everyone has a choice.
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I signed it, I think it's a cool concept. And I always support a free market.
I do understand why some non-smokers don't want to support tobacco in any way, especially considering that they might have loved ones that have died or worse form tobacco use. I know the dangers and and have made the choice to smoke. Everyone has a choice.
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It's not a choice once you're addicted.
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WiredPirate said:
I signed it, I think it's a cool concept. And I always support a free market.
I do understand why some non-smokers don't want to support tobacco in any way, especially considering that they might have loved ones that have died or worse form tobacco use. I know the dangers and and have made the choice to smoke. Everyone has a choice.
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Exactly and we have the right to not support tobacco companies. Now if it were a company that produced a different kind of plant that is smoked, I would gladly sign it. I just don't support tobacco. (yes I know that may sound idiotic but one is definitely better for you than the other)
droidftw said:
It's not a choice once you're addicted.
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I can't agree with this, yes it's definitely harder to stop or quit after your addicted to cigs. But you ALWAYS have a choice, regardless of the topic, don't think for a second that you don't.
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Exactly and we have the right to not support tobacco companies. Now if it were a company that produced a different kind of plant that is smoked, I would gladly sign it. I just don't support tobacco. (yes I know that may sound idiotic but one is definitely better for you than the other)
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I completely agree. You absolutely have the choice to not support them, that is exactly what I was trying to convey in my above post. I completely agree that the other is better for you than tobacco, that doesn't sound idiotic to me at all.
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Storm, had to find this for you, I think you will find it interesting, I know I did. It goes perfectly with what we were talking about.
Everybody keep in mind we are talking about medicine in states with those medical laws in place. This/I/we are not condoning anything illegal, in fact I cannot discourage it enough. Kind of the same way there are threads/posts about call recording, it is illegal in some states but not in others. Check to make sure what your state or countries laws are and obey them.