I've been looking all morning, but nobody can seem to answer my questions. I apologize if this has already been covered, or if this is the wrong location.
I've got a Motorola Droid Bionic & I was able to get CyanogenMod 10.1 installed by following their instructions:
http : // wiki. cyanogenmod. org/w/Install_CM_for_targa[/url]
I am BLOWN AWAY by the speed and polish of this ROM and am looking to make it permanent. However, I have some questions:
1. I'm currently using it SafeStrapp'ed (custom rom slot 1). When I create the ROM area, it takes away the space from the internal SD card. What is that space used for? App installs? (Currently its only 1,2, or 3GB choices)
2. If I use SafeStrap to replace the stock ROM, will the SafeStrap restore be able to put everything back? My phone is running the 4.1.2 build.
3. Will I be able to use TitaniumBackup to restore the older Camera app to see if that will make it work?
Steve.Cena said:
I've been looking all morning, but nobody can seem to answer my questions. I apologize if this has already been covered, or if this is the wrong location.
I've got a Motorola Droid Bionic & I was able to get CyanogenMod 10.1 installed by following their instructions:
http : // wiki. cyanogenmod. org/w/Install_CM_for_targa[/url]
I am BLOWN AWAY by the speed and polish of this ROM and am looking to make it permanent. However, I have some questions:
1. I'm currently using it SafeStrapp'ed (custom rom slot 1). When I create the ROM area, it takes away the space from the internal SD card. What is that space used for? App installs? (Currently its only 1,2, or 3GB choices)
2. If I use SafeStrap to replace the stock ROM, will the SafeStrap restore be able to put everything back? My phone is running the 4.1.2 build.
3. Will I be able to use TitaniumBackup to restore the older Camera app to see if that will make it work?
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1. Motorola had the great idea of taking the 16g of internal storage and dividing it in two; half for the opertating system, the other half formatted as a permanent SD card, and it functions as such. SafeStrap creates its slots in this internal SD card. When you connect your phone to the computer, you may have noticed that two drives/volumes are mounted. One is your external, one your internal SD card.
2. Not sure what you're asking. When you activate a different slot and flash a new rom to it, the phone is running off of that partition of the internal SD card. The stock rom is untouched. If you have different roms in different slots, the roms don't have anything to do with each other. If you're asking about wiping the stock rom, then you're looking for trouble.
3. I'm not sure if you can restore the old camera, but the new camera works wayyy better than the old one imho.
jethead102 said:
1. Motorola had the great idea of taking the 16g of internal storage and dividing it in two; half for the opertating syha, the other half formatted as a permanent SD card, and it functions as such. SafeStrap creates its slots in this internal SD card. When you connect your phone to the computer, you may have noticed that two drives/volumes are mounted. One is your external, one your internal SD card.
2. Not sure what you're asking. When you activate a different slot and flash a new rom to it, the phone is running off of that partition of the internal SD card. The stock rom is untouched. If you have different roms in different slots, the roms don't have anything to do with each other. If you're asking about wiping the stock rom, then you're looking for trouble.
3. I'm not sure if you can restore the old camera, but the new camera works wayyy better than the old one imho.
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The camera works smoothly. More attractive than the stock camera, but the pictures are very grainy. And I've heard there are issues with video. I'm looking for the same solution on the same phone. Its a very nice ROM, except for the camera. I also like how well gsm functionality has been entergrated into settings. Makes it finally feel like the world phone it was built (not hacked) to be.
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now I realize I'll prolly get the lynch mob soon after i post this... being that all the research is over in the dev section, but my question is fairly complicated and i cant seem to find a direct answer from my own reading.
now i have root on my NC and i would love to put a custom recovery/rom on my NC. could any one point me in the right direction to get me started loading a custom recovery? i dont want to run froyo off of an SD card i would love to have it just be a giant version of my phone(I'm sorry if that's asking to much)
i learned and pushed myself to do it a while back on my EVO 4g when i saw there was a rom with wimax capability's and that was my first time rooting anything. I do on the other hand work as a sprint instore service and repair tech. so all of this reading isnt completely lost on me.
and my second question. when i booted my nook back up after i let the battery die, all my setting and apps were gone. any one know anything about it?
thank you for any answer, and I'm very sorry about my spelling and grammar, i know it sucks >.<
i think my biggest confusion/hangup so far has been the custom recovery not sure if i have this right or not but. these are the steps (i think) i need to take.
1. aquire root. [check]
2.custom recovery.[?]
3.custom kernel.[?]
4. custom rom.[?]
So what you want to do is flash a custom rom? You would just download a CWM sd card image. Burn that image to your SD card. Then, grab the rom you want, such as nookie-froyo, or whatever. Copy that zip to the SD card.
Put the SD card into your nook, then reboot. It should boot into CWR and from there you can just flash the zip. The same thing with a custom kernel, just copy the zip onto your CWM sd card, reboot, and flash the zip.
I'm not sure if that is what you are asking, though.
I've actually figured it all out finally. is there any way to see what my CPU is running at?
The speed of your NC can be done by downloading 2 free apps in the market:
Linpack for Android
Quadrant Standard
The Linpack app will tell you how many MFLOPS (Millions of Floating Point Operations Per Second) and Quadrant will give you a score to benchmark for CPU, I/O, and graphics. They will also give you as a reference how you compare to other devices.
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So what you want to do is flash a custom rom? You would just download a CWM sd card image. Burn that image to your SD card. Then, grab the rom you want, such as nookie-froyo, or whatever. Copy that zip to the SD card.
Put the SD card into your nook, then reboot. It should boot into CWR and from there you can just flash the zip. The same thing with a custom kernel, just copy the zip onto your CWM sd card, reboot, and flash the zip.
I'm not sure if that is what you are asking, though.
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So I'm new to Nook. In fact it's still being shipped for the wife, lol. Little that she knows, it's getting nootered before it even gets in her hands.
I've rooted phones and flashed custom ROMs.
From what you're saying above, does CWM reside solely on the SD card? That's different than a mobile phone. So any time we need to install a custom ROM (even the first time), we'd have to boot using the SD Card that has CWM, right? Of course I'd have to root the nook first.
following should really go into a different thread:
So whats the best ROM? So many out there. I just want to be able to use all google apps and market (for kindle app).
Thanks in advance.
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From what you're saying above, does CWM reside solely on the SD card? That's different than a mobile phone. So any time we need to install a custom ROM (even the first time), we'd have to boot using the SD Card that has CWM, right? Of course I'd have to root the nook first.
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You can still install Clockwork from the market and it'll run of the NC without an SD card. I've done it. But for the installation of CM7 (something to do with EXT4? I don't even know what that means...) CWM on an SD was necessary.
On what the best ROM is. Well, looking in the general section subsection here it looks like a lot of people are on rooted stock 1.1. I tried Froyo and it was cool and all, but I missed having the full 8GB of storage on the nook. I haven't tried Honeycomb yet, so no idea on that one. I currently have CM7 nightly 8 on my NC and really like it. I may not have all the storage space still (they're working on it) but it's snappy and sleek.
Hello,
I've been patiently following this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1804665 for the past several months. Thanks to the selfless, hard work of Hashcode, dhacker, and also sylentprofet and jarveson (and apologies to anyone I haven't credited), the recent builds seem to have arrived at a level of functionality and stability that I'm thinking of trying to install my first custom ROM (I've already had SafeStrap 3.0.x installed for months).
My question is the following: I understand from the above thread and from Hashcode's blog that now the external SD card will be used as the default storage location. I was wondering what happens when an app is "installed to SD". From my previous experience on an original Motorola Droid, I know that "installing to SD" would move some files to a special directory on the SD card. I was wondering if this would cause collisions if the same app was installed under multiple ROM slots using SafeStrap.
Thank you for entertaining this newbie's question.
Actually the way I understand it is there is still the internal storage and external SD which are the same, but the internal storage gets partitioned separate from the rest of the storage so if you install an app to the SD card, I think it just goes in a regular folder. The system thinks the /system partition is in the regular storage for it but it actually is tricked to the internal storage.
I hope that makes sense.
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... so if you install an app to the SD card, I think it just goes in a regular folder ...
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Thank you very much for your response.
Is this regular folder on the external SD card? If so, does it mean that this regular folder will be shared by the ROMs in multiple slots if I have the same app installed under the ROM in multiple slots?
Thank you again.
alvin_a_garcia said:
Thank you very much for your response.
Is this regular folder on the external SD card? If so, does it mean that this regular folder will be shared by the ROMs in multiple slots if I have the same app installed under the ROM in multiple slots?
Thank you again.
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If it's on the external SD then yes it is.
I had the same doubt when I recently started using ROMs on my Droid3. This thread helped me a lot.
I have lots of apps in my stock ROM that I've installed before rooting it. Do I have to install it all again on external SD? If yes, do I have to use a new flashed ROM or the stock ROM?
Thiago AmP said:
I had the same doubt when I recently started using ROMs on my Droid3. This thread helped me a lot.
I have lots of apps in my stock ROM that I've installed before rooting it. Do I have to install it all again on external SD? If yes, do I have to use a new flashed ROM or the stock ROM?
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On minimoto I noticed it was using the exact same sd configuration as stock, perhaps because its stock based. On CM10 the external SD card is the default /sd card but you can still access the internal sd.
Regardless of how the sd card is configured you'd still have to reinstall apps when going to another ROM. I recommend using Titanium Backup then its quite simple to restore apps on another ROM. For SD data you could just manually copy and paste the folders from the internal to external SD.
spunker88 said:
On minimoto I noticed it was using the exact same sd configuration as stock, perhaps because its stock based. On CM10 the external SD card is the default /sd card but you can still access the internal sd.
Regardless of how the sd card is configured you'd still have to reinstall apps when going to another ROM. I recommend using Titanium Backup then its quite simple to restore apps on another ROM. For SD data you could just manually copy and paste the folders from the internal to external SD.
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Thanks! So, a separate partition on SD Card would be a waste of "space", since the ROM's doesn't share acess to this partition. I've only tried with CM10, I'm going to try with MavROM and Minimoto, but i'm almost sure that I'll end backing all up with Titanium.
Thiago AmP said:
Thanks! So, a separate partition on SD Card would be a waste of "space", since the ROM's doesn't share acess to this partition. I've only tried with CM10, I'm going to try with MavROM and Minimoto, but i'm almost sure that I'll end backing all up with Titanium.
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Sort of kind of. Basically this would be useful if you want to share apps and their settings between the custom and Stock ROMs installed on your phone [may be odd on an app by app basis depending on a few things but a good number *should* work [I dont use external SD as it eats the battery and is MUCH slower than using the /data partition so haven't tested this], so following should be close if not 100% correct
You would in stock ROM set your apps2SD app up [I DO NOT advise you to use the sdcard function found in manage apps>app area instead you should be using an app like Link2SD that actually creates a partition on your external SD and formats it to EXT3 or EXT4 [suggest using EXT4]. This way things like widgets still work whereas they don't when using the built-in android function [this happens as android uses a folder on the SDCard [which is FAT32 by default] and file permissions needed to run Widgets and some code can't be copied as needed on to a FAT32 partition so by using an app that partitions [or the recovery can do this but you would still need an app to manage which apps are in this partion] the SDCard app instead actually formats part of the card to the EXT 3 or 4 File system so it is the same as the /data partion so Android can copy EVERYTHING and nothing is affected and broken.
So you open your SDCard app manager in Stock ROM and format the External SD [THIS WILL ERASE EVERYTHING RUN APPROPRIATE BACKUPS BEFORE PARTIONING [move them to a computer and back if you dont have enough internal storage to absorb your data]]
When that completes open the app again [usually needs a restart first to mount the new partition before continuing].
Once you get that done open the Manager app and select the apps to move to this new partition.
CUSTOM ROM: Now once that is done boot in to safestrap and either setup a Custom ROM or change to it's boot slot. Next boot in to Custom ROM and install the same SD Card App Manager you used in Stock.
Next, once you open it it should say it found a partition and ask if you want to use it if it doesn't and just lists the app view the settings in the Manager app and HAVE IT SETUP AN EXISTING PARTITION. DONT PARTITION YOUR SDCard AGAIN [or all your newly moved data will bite it].
Now restart and allow it to boot back in to the Custom ROM again. Once this happens all the apps you moved to the SDCard partition should magically appear and be usable.
SO LONG AS YOUR STOCK AND CUSTOM ROMs ARE THE SAME VERSIONS DONT DO THIS IF YOU HAVE ICS ON THE SAFE SIDE AND JELLYBEAN AS A CUSTOM ROM IT WILL MOST LIKELY CAUSE ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS
Hi, I'm new to the SGS after having used a ZTE Blade for a couple of years.
I've got this thing pretty much setup how I want. Running a stripped down CM10.1 nightly with hugemem enabled using the semaphore kernel.
I've swapped the internal and external SD cards by modifying vold.fstab. I needed to do this because I have games that download huge amounts of data to the sd card.
I also have more game apk's than can fit in the phones internal data so some of them are moved to the SD card. Here's where the problem lies.
Clockworkmod doesn't know that the internal and external SD cards are swapped. It has the internal and external labels the wrong way around on its backup and restore routines. Hardly a major problem, but what is a problem is that it's backing up an empty .android_secure folder from the internal SD card.
Is there anything I can do about? Some setting to swap internal and external cards in CWM? Or alternatively get the rom to use the internal sd card for .android_secure despite the sd cards being swapped?
It's not the end of the world because after restoring a rom I can just restore outdated and missing apps using Titanium. I'd just like my backup to be complete if it's possible to do!
Thanks.
Nice question mate, I haven't seen someone with that issue before, may be just because they are happy enough with their swapped memories and don't think about backups. I think that for now you have to use TB to backup your apps correctly and hopefully cwm team will fix that. Have you tried to reinstall recovery?
I only actually noticed it because after switching form the Blade (an ARMv6 phone) to the SGS (ARMv7) I gradually added a load of games to my phone that were now compatible and yet my backups were getting smaller! I noticed the android_secure backup file was 0 bytes and that's when I worked out what was happening - I was moving the bigger stuff to SD and it wasn't getting backed up.
As for re-installing recovery, I switched to the Semaphore kernel and it replaced the recovery with a different one which has the same problem as the CM10.1 version.
Ok, so that's not a solution. The worst part of the story is that folder .android_secure is harder accessible even than any system files and paths. If you find a way to open it you may copy all the apk.s to some safe directory and this way you have at least the installation data of your apps and you have just to reinstall them ( I realize it's not such an easy if they are >100). Better than search the net again or copy from pc. How much easier it would be if we just have to copy apk file of the app to/data/data or .android_secure instead of installing it to get it in your app drawer. XD
A google search found this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31148760&postcount=369
So they've at least thought about this scenario on the SGS2! I wonder if any of the SGS1 devs around here here have fixed this in their recovery without us knowing?
Cool dude, nice find. I think you loose nothing if you try that.
I'm not sure flashing recovery for another model is a good idea? On my last phone you couldn't even use recovery from a different software revision of the same phone hardware!
In any case, isn't recovery part of the kernel on the SGS? Flashing a kernel always seems to change it anyway. Which again, differs from what I'm used to.
I was more hoping this would prompt one of the devs to fix it or point me to one they'd already fixed in the past that I'm unaware of.
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR ANY HELP! I'm dead new with android and just got a Nook HD+ 32gb (groupon deal $130)
anyway, I've done a ton of reading on here and watched a bunch of youtube vids- i don't know if people use overlapping terminology that means the same things or what.. and also seems like theres a lot of opinions in the forums.
I want basically the full android experience and root access- like i said, never used any android, but i like toying around with these things. BUT i also really want a fully stable platform- don't want constant crashing or it reseting on me.
questions i have-
1)the CWM is the "program" (don't know the correct terminology) that basically gives me the access to back up and install new roms, root, etc? TWRP does the same thing- but i understand you don't use that?
2)If i have a BRAND NEW nook HD+ do i need to back it up before messing with it OR are the "stock rom" zips you provided just that?
2) with the SD card image, do i need to put a specific image on the specified sd card. i.e. 4gb SD gets a 4gb image? or is the image universal to whatever size SD card i get?
2a) What problems am i going to run into using my mac to make the SD card, if any? what program do i need to use?
4) when you back up through CWM where does it save it? to the SD card?
4a) this is where i was confused about the image, reading into some of the posts it led me to think the image file took up the entirety of the
SD card.
4b)So in the future i could just boot from the SD card and would have the option to flash the stock rom back on the HD+ if desired? and/or
go back to CM?
5) what is DUALBOOTING? and NANDROID? how do they tie into CWM and CM10. very confused about this.
6) any disadvantage to flashing the EMMC vs booting from SD card every time? I THINK i want to flash the emmc, i don't want to be tied to booting from the SD card everytime- if I'm understanding that correctly.
7)what is this "trim" lag problem? couldn't really figure out what people were talking about.
thanks a ton for any help you can give me- I'm sure you receive a lot of questions!
-Sonny
santinod15 said:
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR ANY HELP! I'm dead new with android and just got a Nook HD+ 32gb (groupon deal $130)
anyway, I've done a ton of reading on here and watched a bunch of youtube vids- i don't know if people use overlapping terminology that means the same things or what.. and also seems like theres a lot of opinions in the forums.
I want basically the full android experience and root access- like i said, never used any android, but i like toying around with these things. BUT i also really want a fully stable platform- don't want constant crashing or it reseting on me.
questions i have-
1)the CWM is the "program" (don't know the correct terminology) that basically gives me the access to back up and install new roms, root, etc? TWRP does the same thing- but i understand you don't use that?
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CWM (ClockworkMod) is a recovery program that allows you to do just what you said. TWRP is also a recovery, but uses the touch screen instead of hardware keys to control it.
2)If i have a BRAND NEW nook HD+ do i need to back it up before messing with it OR are the "stock rom" zips you provided just that?
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You can either use the CWM backup tool to return your device to stock (including any data you have already created, like registration) or the plain stock zips I have will also return you to stock, but the way it was when you got it new before registering.
3) with the SD card image, do i need to put a specific image on the specified sd card. i.e. 4gb SD gets a 4gb image? or is the image universal to whatever size SD card i get?
3a) What problems am i going to run into using my mac to make the SD card, if any? what program do i need to use?
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Since you have a Mac, the best way to do it is the new procedure without burning an image. Since I don't have a Mac, I don't know the exact programs to use. I think SDFormatter comes in a Mac version. And I know there are lots of mac partitioning programs to set the first partition active. And using the procedure does use all of the SD, so it is best to use a relatively small one, 2-4GB.
4) when you back up through CWM where does it save it? to the SD card?
4a) this is where i was confused about the image, reading into some of the posts it led me to think the image file took up the entirety of the
SD card.
4b)So in the future i could just boot from the SD card and would have the option to flash the stock rom back on the HD+ if desired? and/or
go back to CM?
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It saves it either to the SD card or internal memory, you choose.
Yes it uses all of the SD if you use the new procedure. But you need that if you choose to backup to SD. A backup takes about 1.5GB.
And yes, save the SD for future use, like restoring backups or installing new ROMs.
5) what is DUALBOOTING? and NANDROID? how do they tie into CWM and CM10. very confused about this.
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Dual booting means having one operating system on internal memory (also called emmc for Embedded MultiMedia Card) and one installed to a bootable SD. Most people that dual boot have stock on internal and CM on SD. They are separate and independent from each other.
Nandroid just means internal memory. So a nandroid backup means backing up whatever you have on internal memory.
6) any disadvantage to flashing the EMMC vs booting from SD card every time? I THINK i want to flash the emmc, i don't want to be tied to booting from the SD card everytime- if I'm understanding that correctly.
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The only advantage to booting to CM on SD is it leaves internal memory untouched for warranty reasons. The disadvantage is it runs slower and is less stable.
7)what is this "trim" lag problem? couldn't really figure out what people were talking about.
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LAG is a complex issue to explain. If you are used to hard drives getting fragmented and slowing down your system, LAG is similar but a different mechanism with solid state flash drives. TRIM is a process to undo what causes LAG. But some of the solid state chips in these devices have a bug and when TRIM is run, it bricks the chip, making it unusable.
thanks a ton for any help you can give me- I'm sure you receive a lot of questions!
-Sonny
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leapinlar said:
CWM (ClockworkMod) is a recovery program that allows you to do just what you said. TWRP is also a recovery, but uses the touch screen instead of hardware keys to control it.
You can either use the CWM backup tool to return your device to stock (including any data you have already created, like registration) or the plain stock zips I have will also return you to stock, but the way it was when you got it new before registering.
Since you have a Mac, the best way to do it is the new procedure without burning an image. Since I don't have a Mac, I don't know the exact programs to use. I think SDFormatter comes in a Mac version. And I know there are lots of mac partitioning programs to set the first partition active. And using the procedure does use all of the SD, so it is best to use a relatively small one, 2-4GB.
It saves it either to the SD card or internal memory, you choose.
Yes it uses all of the SD if you use the new procedure. But you need that if you choose to backup to SD. A backup takes about 1.5GB.
And yes, save the SD for future use, like restoring backups or installing new ROMs.
Dual booting means having one operating system on internal memory (also called emmc for Embedded MultiMedia Card) and one installed to a bootable SD. Most people that dual boot have stock on internal and CM on SD. They are separate and independent from each other.
Nandroid just means internal memory. So a nandroid backup means backing up whatever you have on internal memory.
The only advantage to booting to CM on SD is it leaves internal memory untouched for warranty reasons. The disadvantage is it runs slower and is less stable.
LAG is a complex issue to explain. If you are used to hard drives getting fragmented and slowing down your system, LAG is similar but a different mechanism with solid state flash drives. TRIM is a process to undo what causes LAG. But some of the solid state chips in these devices have a bug and when TRIM is run, it bricks the chip, making it unusable.
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THANK YOU.. so much answered for me
Hello All,
TLDR
Are there any CM based ROMs that are preconfigured to be loaded entierly onto an external SD? Any kernels/recoveries that have mount points modified for full external SD (not swap)? Any way to do this manually?
Longer Version
About two years ago my i9000 died to the failure of the internal memory. I tried all of the normal recovery procedures but nothing worked so I concluded it was toast and moved on. Recently I thought it would be a good backup phone in the event that found myself between sales of my main phone so I decided to revive it by loading the OS entirely on an external SD. This is a bit of a rabbit hole and finding information that actually worked was quite challenging. Almost all of the threads have to do with swapping internal/external cards to gain memory but I don't want to swap, I want everything on the external card.
Eventually I found build based on XXJVU (2.3.6) that was pre-configured to install (via ODIN) and run off of the external card directly. It works but it's dog slow. The problem is the 3e recovery won't flash anything that isn't signed so I can't move to a CM based rom. And, when I flash another kernel/recovery like speedmod, it's doesn't "know" about my unusual storage configuration so any further flashing fails.
At this point I'm open to any suggestions. Maybe the solution is simple and I'm doing something wrong. As far as I can tell, I need a CWM/TWRP based recovery that has it's mount points modified to the external SD card. I don't care to move all the way to KitKat, I'd be happy to get onto CM in basically any version. At some point along the way (4.2/4.3?) the mount point configuration moved out of vold.fstab and into the kernel which basically requires a kernel compiled specifically for this problem. If it's easier, I'd be happy to run the version just prior to this change so I can edit the mount points manually.
If anyone has suggestions or threads I should be reading that would be helpful. Just to be clear, I am currently using the phone, rooted with 2.3.6 and installed entirely on the external SD.
Thanks
Read this. I don't think there are any preconfigured CM based ROMs for external SD card installation.
Also this is a way to fix your broken internal memory. It might work.