I'm considering whether to buy an T-Mobile version and unlock it or a "Officially Unlocked" version on HTC's official website. I have found two differences so far.
(1) The first is that T-Mobile version seems to support more 3G networks while Unlocked supports more 4G networks.
Here is something from HTC official website.
Unlocked version
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz
4G LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)
T-Mobile version
3G - UMTS/ HSPA: 850/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSDPA up to 42 Mbps
4G - LTE: 700 MHz and AWS band
AT&T version
3G - UMTS/ HSPA: 850/1900/2100 MHz with HSDPA up to 21 Mbps
4G - LTE: 700 MHz and AWS band
So does it mean that both Unlocked and TM versions can completely support AT&T network, TM version can completely support TM network (of course), and Unlocked version partly supports TM network (no 3G AWS support). Am I right?
(2) The second is about S-OFF. Neither Revolutionary nor Moonshine mentions the Unlocked version, but they both support TM version.
PS: Can I use more frequency bands by flashing something into an S-OFF HTC One?
If you're going to use it on T-Mobile, why not just buy the T-Mobile version? The unlocked version doesn't have support for AWS bands.
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joshnichols189 said:
If you're going to use it on T-Mobile, why not just buy the T-Mobile version? The unlocked version doesn't have support for AWS bands.
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I'm not quite sure which operator will I use.
if your in the USA the tmobile version will probably serve you the best since it can pick up pretty much every companies 3g and 4g signal without problems. tmobile or ATT.
there is currently no way to flash a radio to support other bands not sure if this is even possible currently
syaoran68 said:
if your in the USA the tmobile version will probably serve you the best since it can pick up pretty much every companies 3g and 4g signal without problems. tmobile or ATT.
there is currently no way to flash a radio to support other bands not sure if this is even possible currently
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I am on a TMobile branded phone, which I unlocked to use with my AT&T account, on which I previously had an iPhone 4S. I've been having some issues getting on LTE so far. I did talk to AT&T several times to make sure that the One was provisioned on my account, and the account was changed to a "4G LTE" data account. I've driven all over the downtown Los Angeles area (downtown, Chinatown, Dodger Stadium, Commerce, and Hollywood) and have yet to see LTE when I'm on AT&T. I get it fine on Tmobile (I picked up a pre-paid Tmob SIM.) I've tried several different APNs (wap.cingular, phone, and pta (which doesn't even connect)). As of right now, I'm a bit stumped as to where the issue might be (it presents itself in Sense, Android Revolution, and Google Edition ROMs). I may just buy an HTC One from AT&T and will put my SIM card in it to see if I get LTE on there, and then return it.
My belief, and what just about everyone has said, is that the TMob phone should be able to get on AT&T's LTE. For whatever reason, and I can't quite lay blame anywhere yet (I'm new to Android, so it could very well be I'm not getting something), it's not working.
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So will the Verizon Model work on T-mobile's 3g bc it is $439 $112 less then the Incredible S.
Here are the specs
* Network: CDMA 800/1900MHz + UMTS/HSPA 900/2100MHz + GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900MHz
It will not work on tmous network. 1700/2100 is missing. In fact, Verizon might freeze the at&t network too
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Thank you
WORDS WORDS
i dont understand, if its a world phone, hows it gonna work in Europe and Asia without the 1700/2100 bands for 3G GSM.
ashman3000 said:
i dont understand, if its a world phone, hows it gonna work in Europe and Asia without the 1700/2100 bands for 3G GSM.
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That is what i was thinking..... I got those specs from Verizon website
1700 is Tmobile Usa but 1900/2100 is 3g for overseas...I think.
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coldest~~~ said:
It will not work on tmous network. 1700/2100 is missing. In fact, Verizon might freeze the at&t network too
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Verizon doesn't "freeze" the phone it was actually AT&T
KROMO50 said:
So will the Verizon Model work on T-mobile's 3g bc it is $439 $112 less then the Incredible S.
Here are the specs
* Network: CDMA 800/1900MHz + UMTS/HSPA 900/2100MHz + GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900MHz
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Dinc 2 will not work in the US. It has been locked out of both ATT & TMO. European and Asian 3G bands are 900/2100. The Dinc S version works on TMO 4G. I have it. If you are buying make sure you get the version that says AWS on it.
The model S710E is the one that works on T-Mobile 3g network ... keep in mind if youre on tmobile , bell and Verizon version don't work on T-Mobile ..
I hope there would be more phones made like this one that can take advantage of tmobile's tzone/web2go. The only reason Iam considered the IS is because of its AWS band.
If I were to buy an unlocked version from HTC, or from another retailer, maybe from the UK, are the specs different? What about the hspa, hspa+, or LTE bands?
Right now I have TMO, if I could find an unlocked version before they release the phone, I'll buy that, just curious about the specs and usage.
LTE won't work at all. HSPA+ might but on TMOUS you probably won't get HSPA+ unless the variant has AWS.
Anyway to know?
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purchase the HTC DEV EDITION.
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=4041
LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900
WCDMA 850 / 1900 / 2100
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
T-Mobile version supports WCDMA 1700 instead of LTE 850/1900
I want to buy the phone outright, but since I live in Houston, there is LTE with both T-Mobile and ATT, will the Developer edition allow for LTE on either carrier? I don't want to get stuck with something that only has Edge of HSPA+ speeds.
Unless I"m missing something, the T-Mo version would work on all bands on both AT&T and T-Mobile. The Dev edition wouldn't get you HSPA on AWS for T-Mobile (which is almost all of T-MO HSPA), nor would you get WiFi calling if you were going to be using T-Mobile.
Edit: More info on the Dev edition:
http://www.phonedog.com/2013/04/05/...ick-off-today-scheduled-to-ship-out-april-19/
oryan_dunn said:
Unless I"m missing something, the T-Mo version would work on all bands on both AT&T and T-Mobile. The Dev edition wouldn't get you HSPA on AWS for T-Mobile (which is almost all of T-MO HSPA), nor would you get WiFi calling if you were going to be using T-Mobile.
Edit: More info on the Dev edition:
http://www.phonedog.com/2013/04/05/...ick-off-today-scheduled-to-ship-out-april-19/
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Would putting the eventual TMOUS radio on the Dev Edition get us AWS HSPA? I can give up the extra LTE bands.
OCedHrt said:
Would putting the eventual TMOUS radio on the Dev Edition get us AWS HSPA? I can give up the extra LTE bands.
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I have no idea.
It seems strange to me. Why is the regular version (sold on Handtec, Clove etc...) more expensive than the developers version?
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Would putting the eventual TMOUS radio on the Dev Edition get us AWS HSPA? I can give up the extra LTE bands.
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Now that I think about it, since it's a dev phone, why wouldn't they enable all bands if it were technically capable? Seems to me there'd be a hardware difference limiting the bands.
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romitkin said:
It seems strange to me. Why is the regular version (sold on Handtec, Clove etc...) more expensive than the developers version?
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Are those importers?
From what i've read, the Developer edition is 64GB and only available in Silver (booo!)
And it doesn't support HSPA+ on T Mobile in the USA
However, I don't care about T Mobile HSPA+, what I want to know is if it will work on other UK networks with HSPA+
All the information i can find goes on about T mobile....does anyone know if it contains HSPA+ that works on other networks?
This website says:
http://www5-shopamerica.htc.com/cell-phones/productdetail.htm?prId=41599
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)
However, I think HTC are going to pimp any and all versions possible
We already now know the nexus edition is coming
As this design is so popular, I would image they will start making HTC One Mini, HTC One Pad and other improvements to the current design
I had a tweet back from one of their developers about a black 64gb dev version, she said anything is possible
I would imagine they are just having stock issues at present, so i'm hoping for a black version
Hey guys, just a quick question one more time.
As you guys know the exciting news the HTC One is available for pre order and unlocked straight from from the manufacturer! I'm really stoked on getting this phone but want it to have LTE working.
Now I have 2 options, getting it unlocked (32GB) or going for the T-Mobile branded one.
These are the bands the unlocked version works on.
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz - GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz - LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)
Now I tried looking up T-Mobile on their support forums, online support agents, outsourced call center employees, and even resorted to wikipedia.
My only question is will T-Mobile's upcoming LTE work on this phone? My location is NYC if that helps.
Anyone???
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I'm in the same boat. I want to get the unlocked version but want to make sure it has LTE for US carrier (either AT&T or tmobile). I believe these LTE bands should work. If I'm not mistaking, AT&T uses both 700Mhz & 1700Mhz (AWS).
I've switch my AT&T HTC One X plus to T-Mobile and LTE works great. So I think the HTC One developer edition will work just fine on T-Mobile network.
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Must be different in the States. . . im in UK, i brought my One in Carphone warehouse, got it on Tuesday, its debranded, Sim Unlocked, and has LTE. . . Im eagerly waiting for my EE Simcard so i can use the LTE functions of this. . .
Dev will not have HSpa unless your in the reformed markets with 1900 band.
LTE will work if youre in a lte ,market.
Been answered many times
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Hello,
I was wondering if it was possible to convert Sprint HTC One to International or AT&T variant? All HTC One models are the same in terms of specifications i think so what prevents it from happening? They all are world phones and S-off is available to all the variants.
I'm just curious as I have a Sprint HTC One which I'm using on GSM network with a custom rom.
Thanks
If im not mistaken. The Sprint / Verizon HTC One are CDMA units and NOT GSM.
The LTE would work but you would have no voice communications.
Im not 100% sure how the hardware works in them when it comes to CDMA / GSM.
So im not sure you can flash a GSM radio and make it work like that..
Try it and let us know if it works.
I know for sure that when you flash GSM Rom on Sprint variant, it doesn't work at all so this has to go a bit deeper. Both Sprint and AT&T variant have GSM/CDMA/LTE on it i think.
nextavenger said:
Hello,
I was wondering if it was possible to convert Sprint HTC One to International or AT&T variant? All HTC One models are the same in terms of specifications i think so what prevents it from happening? They all are world phones and S-off is available to all the variants.
I'm just curious as I have a Sprint HTC One which I'm using on GSM network with a custom rom
Thanks
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Nope, there are several models of the One that HTC manufactures so they can optimize the antenna design for various regions/carriers.
The Sprint model can connect to the following frequencies (link):
2G/2.5G - GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G - UMTS/ HSPA: 1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 14.4 Mbps
3G - CDMA: 800/1900 MHz for Sprint
4G - LTE: Sprint: 1900 MHz
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Since this is part of the physical design of the radio/antenna, it cannot be changed.
IAmSixNine said:
If im not mistaken. The Sprint / Verizon HTC One are CDMA units and NOT GSM.
The LTE would work but you would have no voice communications.
Im not 100% sure how the hardware works in them when it comes to CDMA / GSM.
So im not sure you can flash a GSM radio and make it work like that..
Try it and let us know if it works.
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Unfortunately, the Sprint HTC One only connects to LTE on band 25. And according to the following list, Sprint is the only carrier using band 25, meaning the Sprint version of the One will only run on Sprint’s LTE network.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
EDIT:
There are ways to get the Sprint version of the One to run on AT&T and T-Mobile’s non-LTE GSM networks, but you need to follow the guides in the Sprint HTC One forum on how to SIM-unlock your device. Also, you have to make sure that AT&T or T-Mobile have one of the GSM frequencies listed above IN YOUR MARKET before trying to make the switch. In any case, you would be limited to 14.4 Mbps at best (assuming the market you're in has 1900/2100 MHz HSPA+).
Thanks!
This is the kind of explanation that I was looking for.
My phone is sim-unlocked already and works fine on 2G/3G networks in India. There is no 4G here so I can't be bothered.
Guys, would appreciate if someone could help me out here.
Just wanted to confirm the Tmobile and the Developer edition Moto X are basically both compatible with 3g networks around the globe right? Specially in the UAE? The US Nexus 5 apart from the 4g works fine here.
Also, they two (tmobile/developer) are technically the same phones right? The costs now being the same I'm wondering which one to get.
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 - all versions
CDMA 800 / 1900 - for Verizon, Sprint
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 - for AT&T, Verizon
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - for T-Mobile
CDMA2000 1xEV-DO - for Verizon
HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 - for Sprint
4G Network LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - for AT&T
LTE 700 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - for T-Mobile
LTE 700 MHz Class 13 - for Verizon
LTE 1900 - for Sprint
Refer to your carrier for compatibility.
metalron said:
Guys, would appreciate if someone could help me out here.
Just wanted to confirm the Tmobile and the Developer edition Moto X are basically both compatible with 3g networks around the globe right? Specially in the UAE? The US Nexus 5 apart from the 4g works fine here.
Also, they two (tmobile/developer) are technically the same phones right? The costs now being the same I'm wondering which one to get.
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Here is the view from wikipedia
Model FCC id Carriers CDMA bands GSM bands UMTS bands LTE bands Notes
XT1049 IHDT56PB2 Republic Wireless 800/1900 Unknown Unknown 25 The GSM/UMTS network functions have been disabled by firmware and are SIM locked
XT1053 IHDT56PA2 T-Mobile US, Developer Edition (GSM) N/A Quad 850/900/1700/1900/2100 2/4/17 Developer Edition is not SIM locked and is compatible with AT&T Mobility and T-Mobile US networks[26]
XT1055 IHDT56PB3 U.S. Cellular 800/1900 Quad 850/900/1900/2100 4/5/12
XT1056 IHDT56PB2 Sprint Corporation 800/1900 Quad 850/1900/2100[27] 25 The GSM/UMTS network functions have been disabled by firmware and are SIM locked[27]
XT1058 IHDT56PA1 AT&T Mobility, Rogers, Vivo, Claro (Puerto Rico), Movistar and Claro (Chile) N/A Quad 850/900/1900/2100 2/4/5/7/17
XT1060 IHDT56PB1 Verizon Wireless 850/1900 Quad 850/900/1900/2100 4/13 Developer Edition is also available,[28] though one source[29] claims it only supports LTE band 13 (not 4)
Looks the XT1058 model with the most of the LTE bands but it depends on the firmware.
Be aware that the GSM developer edition is missing band 700 for ATT LTE service. In my area, band 700 is used and I am not receiving LTE. At first I thought there was a problem with the phone but as i traveled yesterday to Indianapolis as soon as I hit Kentucky LTE showed on the gsm developer edition. Am on the fence as to whether I will return it. Did not realize this until I spoke with the local corporate location this morning.
raydi07 said:
Be aware that the GSM developer edition is missing band 700 for ATT LTE service. In my area, band 700 is used and I am not receiving LTE. At first I thought there was a problem with the phone but as i traveled yesterday to Indianapolis as soon as I hit Kentucky LTE showed on the gsm developer edition. Am on the fence as to whether I will return it. Did not realize this until I spoke with the local corporate location this morning.
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The T-Mobile/Dev Edition are missing Band 5, which is 850mhz. Band 17 is 700mhz, which all the GSM versions support.
The T-Mobile and GSM Dev edition definitely use the same ROM and radio/modems. This is verified by requesting/downloading the firmware from Moto's web site, and comparing it to the retail/consumer rom hosted on http://sbf.droid-developers.org/ghost/list.php and comparing the files included in each.
This thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2546466 also has a discussion of the bands/frequencies the phones support.
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raydi07 said:
Be aware that the GSM developer edition is missing band 700 for ATT LTE service. In my area, band 700 is used and I am not receiving LTE. At first I thought there was a problem with the phone but as i traveled yesterday to Indianapolis as soon as I hit Kentucky LTE showed on the gsm developer edition. Am on the fence as to whether I will return it. Did not realize this until I spoke with the local corporate location this morning.
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Really? When it came to LTE bands I thought the T-mo/Dev X was only missing bands 5 & 7 when compared to the ATT variant, and those bands aren't supposed to be used in the USA. (at least that is what John Renaldi of Moto posted on G+ not too long ago.)
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Really? When it came to LTE bands I thought the T-mo/Dev X was only missing bands 5 & 7 when compared to the ATT variant, and those bands aren't supposed to be used in the USA. (at least that is what John Renaldi of Moto posted on G+ not too long ago.)
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That is correct, I missed that one in my post above. Band 7 is 2600mhz and is not used in the US.
Are the available bands hardware or software limited?
Tapatalked from my G PAD 8.3
What bands are missing from the gsm unlocked non Dev edition?
Hardware limited.
sicmadek said:
What bands are missing from the gsm unlocked non Dev edition?
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I believe the GSM Unlocked device that you can pick from Moto Maker when you don't select carrier, is the same as the T-Mobile USA device, in which case it would be missing bands 5 & 7 when compared to the ATT variant
KidJoe said:
I believe the GSM Unlocked device that you can pick from Moto Maker when you don't select carrier, is the same as the T-Mobile USA device, in which case it would be missing bands 5 & 7 when compared to the ATT variant
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Well mine picks up LTE on at just fine. I just can't receive MMS for some reason.
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Well mine picks up LTE on at just fine. I just can't receive MMS for some reason.
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Who is your carrier? LTE Band 5 & 7 are rumored to be only used outside the USA, so for "Domestic USA LTE Use" the ATT (after sim unlock), T-Mobile, GSM Unlocked, and GSM Dev editions should all perform the same. The only real difference is lack of HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS(1700/2100) on the ATT model, which the T-Mo and Dev support, and GSM Unlocked should support too.
As for MMS, check your APN settings are correct.
KidJoe said:
Who is your carrier? LTE Band 5 & 7 are rumored to be only used outside the USA, so for "Domestic USA LTE Use" the ATT (after sim unlock), T-Mobile, GSM Unlocked, and GSM Dev editions should all perform the same. The only real difference is lack of HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS(1700/2100) on the ATT model, which the T-Mo and Dev support, and GSM Unlocked should support too.
As for MMS, check your APN settings are correct.
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I am on att and I have been through every APN. Check my thread to see everything that's going on.
LTE on AT&T working
sicmadek said:
I am on att and I have been through every APN. Check my thread to see everything that's going on.
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Just wanted to share my experience on AT&T. Bought a Moto X developer edition from Motorola. Mine works and picks up AT&T LTE without issues. Also MMS works fine as well.
Just make sure you swap your existing SIM card to a brand new one at a corporate store where they actually scan the SIM and enter your IMEI into the AT&T system. Not sure if this was done already in your case. Good luck...
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Just wanted to share my experience on AT&T. Bought a Moto X developer edition from Motorola. Mine works and picks up AT&T LTE without issues. Also MMS works fine as well.
Just make sure you swap your existing SIM card to a brand new one at a corporate store where they actually scan the SIM and enter your IMEI into the AT&T system. Not sure if this was done already in your case. Good luck...
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We figured out the problem. Porting a number from straight talk caused the issue. Once I activated a new number on a new Sim everything worked perfect.
sicmadek said:
We figured out the problem. Porting a number from straight talk caused the issue. Once I activated a new number on a new Sim everything worked perfect.
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Glad everything worked out.