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Unlocked Version Spec Differences, Band Differences?

If I were to buy an unlocked version from HTC, or from another retailer, maybe from the UK, are the specs different? What about the hspa, hspa+, or LTE bands?
Right now I have TMO, if I could find an unlocked version before they release the phone, I'll buy that, just curious about the specs and usage.

LTE won't work at all. HSPA+ might but on TMOUS you probably won't get HSPA+ unless the variant has AWS.

Anyway to know?
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purchase the HTC DEV EDITION.

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=4041
LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900
WCDMA 850 / 1900 / 2100
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
T-Mobile version supports WCDMA 1700 instead of LTE 850/1900

I want to buy the phone outright, but since I live in Houston, there is LTE with both T-Mobile and ATT, will the Developer edition allow for LTE on either carrier? I don't want to get stuck with something that only has Edge of HSPA+ speeds.

Unless I"m missing something, the T-Mo version would work on all bands on both AT&T and T-Mobile. The Dev edition wouldn't get you HSPA on AWS for T-Mobile (which is almost all of T-MO HSPA), nor would you get WiFi calling if you were going to be using T-Mobile.
Edit: More info on the Dev edition:
http://www.phonedog.com/2013/04/05/...ick-off-today-scheduled-to-ship-out-april-19/

oryan_dunn said:
Unless I"m missing something, the T-Mo version would work on all bands on both AT&T and T-Mobile. The Dev edition wouldn't get you HSPA on AWS for T-Mobile (which is almost all of T-MO HSPA), nor would you get WiFi calling if you were going to be using T-Mobile.
Edit: More info on the Dev edition:
http://www.phonedog.com/2013/04/05/...ick-off-today-scheduled-to-ship-out-april-19/
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Would putting the eventual TMOUS radio on the Dev Edition get us AWS HSPA? I can give up the extra LTE bands.

OCedHrt said:
Would putting the eventual TMOUS radio on the Dev Edition get us AWS HSPA? I can give up the extra LTE bands.
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I have no idea.

It seems strange to me. Why is the regular version (sold on Handtec, Clove etc...) more expensive than the developers version?

OCedHrt said:
Would putting the eventual TMOUS radio on the Dev Edition get us AWS HSPA? I can give up the extra LTE bands.
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Now that I think about it, since it's a dev phone, why wouldn't they enable all bands if it were technically capable? Seems to me there'd be a hardware difference limiting the bands.
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romitkin said:
It seems strange to me. Why is the regular version (sold on Handtec, Clove etc...) more expensive than the developers version?
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Are those importers?

From what i've read, the Developer edition is 64GB and only available in Silver (booo!)
And it doesn't support HSPA+ on T Mobile in the USA
However, I don't care about T Mobile HSPA+, what I want to know is if it will work on other UK networks with HSPA+
All the information i can find goes on about T mobile....does anyone know if it contains HSPA+ that works on other networks?
This website says:
http://www5-shopamerica.htc.com/cell-phones/productdetail.htm?prId=41599
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)
However, I think HTC are going to pimp any and all versions possible
We already now know the nexus edition is coming
As this design is so popular, I would image they will start making HTC One Mini, HTC One Pad and other improvements to the current design
I had a tweet back from one of their developers about a black 64gb dev version, she said anything is possible
I would imagine they are just having stock issues at present, so i'm hoping for a black version

[Q] T-Mobile version vs Developer Edition

What are the differences between the Moto X for T-Mobile (available only on Motorola's site) and the GSM developer edition in terms of network compatibility? I know that T-Mobile has "weird" frequencies for their HSPA+ network and the T-Mobile model supports this. Does the GSM Developer edition support the T-Mobile HSPA+ band for those areas where LTE isn't available?

I am under the impression that the developer edition only supports T-Mobile HSPA that is on the 1900mhz band.
Sent from my XT1053 using Tapatalk now Free

After posting my original question I found this post which states:
Not sure why there is so much confusion going about. The GSM Developer Edition, for all intensive purposes, is the exact same phone as the T-mobile Moto X (which is the true unlocked and unbranded Moto X). So the bands that they both support are identical, which includes:
2G/Edge: 850, 900, 1800, 1900MHz
3G/HSPA+/UMTS: 850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100MHz
4G/LTE : Bands 2, 4, 17
Again, they're the exact same phones. The only difference is that the GSM DE comes with 32gb only and is $650 with a white back and black front, and the T-mobile Moto X comes in only 16gb size (for now) and in weave black or weave white colors.
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I've seen so many contradictions on this it's crazy. So while the author doesn't understand it, I'm still confused.
I definitely want support for all T-Mobile HSPA+ bands since their LTE network is so new and not very widespread, but I don't have a firm grasp of whether or not the developer edition will support all T-Mobile frequencies. If the author of the above post is correct, I'll likely go with the Dev edition. However, from his signature, he's running the 16GB T-Mobile version so I'm not entirely sure that he is the best source of this information.
Can anyone that acutally owns the GSM Dev edition confirm that it works on the T-Mobile HSPA+ bands?
Thanks!

zabolots said:
After posting my original question I found this post which states:
I've seen so many contradictions on this it's crazy. So while the author doesn't understand it, I'm still confused.
I definitely want support for all T-Mobile HSPA+ bands since their LTE network is so new and not very widespread, but I don't have a firm grasp of whether or not the developer edition will support all T-Mobile frequencies. If the author of the above post is correct, I'll likely go with the Dev edition. However, from his signature, he's running the 16GB T-Mobile version so I'm not entirely sure that he is the best source of this information.
Can anyone that acutally owns the GSM Dev edition confirm that it works on the T-Mobile HSPA+ bands?
Thanks!
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i dont have a dev edition, but i saw someone say it was an XT1053 model as well. So if it is it should be the same as the t-mobile one (which i have actually)

The XT1053 model is the only model with the 1700mhz 3G band for T-Mobile. There would be no reason for the XT1053 to exist otherwise.
If you're on T-Mobile, go with the XT1053. It's bootloader is unlockable AND it's SIM unlocked. It's essentially a developer edition phone, with T-Mobile bands.

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If you're on T-Mobile, go with the XT1053. It's bootloader is unlockable AND it's SIM unlocked. It's essentially a developer edition phone, with T-Mobile bands.
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Are you certain about the T-Mobile version being SIM-unlocked? I had read other posts that indicated that while it does have an unlockable bootloader that it is SIM-locked to T-Mobile.
For what it's worth, here's a log of a chat I had with Moto customer service:
Scott: I am interested in the Moto X and I'm on T-Mobile in the U.S. I know that there is a T-Mobile version, the XT1053. However, I'd really like more storage so I'm wanting the GSM Developer edition. However, I know that T-Mobile US has some strange frequencies for their HSPA+ network and I'm not sure if the Developer Edition fully supports all T-Mobile bands. Can you confirm if the Developer Edition will work exactly the same on T-Mobile as the T-Mobile model XT1053?
Gerald Ray: Let me check if I can get your some visuals and detailed information. Hold on please.
Gerald Ray: I was able to verify that information. Yes, it does support Frequencies HSPA+ and other bands. It works exactly the same as the T-Mobile Moto X.
Developer version is 32GB, normal carrier version is 16GB
Moto X - Black or white available
Gerald Ray: You may also check this site: www [dot] motorola [dot] com/us/Moto-X-Developer-Edition-GSM-Networks/moto-x-developer-edition.html
Gerald Ray: Networks
GSM/GPRS/EDGE - UMTS/HSPA + up to 42 Mbps - 4G LTE
2G/2.5G GSM/GPRS/EDGE bands
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G UMTS bands
850/900/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B4/B2/B1)
4G LTE bands
700/AWS/1900MHz (B17/B4/B2)
Scott: So you are saying that the T-Mobile version is exactly the same as the GSM Developer edition, except for the internal storage (32GB vs 16GB)?
Gerald Ray: Yes, correct.
Scott: Is the GSM Developer Edition an XT1053 or is it a different model number?
Gerald Ray: Good question. Let me check on that. Hold on please.
Gerald Ray: Yes, It has the same model number which is XT1053.
Scott: One final question: Is the T-Mobile version SIM-locked to the T-Mobile network or can I put in an AT&T SIM and use the device on the AT&T network as I could with the Developer Edition?
Gerald Ray: Thanks for the question. T-Mobile version is SIM-Locked to the T-Mobile Network only.
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The only difference are
- colors
- Dev edition print
- 16gb more
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zabolots said:
3G UMTS bands
850/900/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B4/B2/B1)
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Exactly. The developer edition DOES NOT support the 1700mhz HSPA+ band. It will not connect to T-Mobile's HSPA+ network in the areas that haven't been refarmed. Only the T-Mobile edition accomplishes this.
It's disconcerting that even Motorola doesn't give you the right answer.

Kev1000000 said:
Exactly. The developer edition DOES NOT support the 1700mhz HSPA+ band. It will not connect to T-Mobile's HSPA+ network in the areas that haven't been refarmed. Only the T-Mobile edition accomplishes this.
It's disconcerting that even Motorola doesn't give you the right answer.
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but its a XT1053, so it DOES support AWS hspa.

Kev1000000 said:
Exactly. The developer edition DOES NOT support the 1700mhz HSPA+ band. It will not connect to T-Mobile's HSPA+ network in the areas that haven't been refarmed. Only the T-Mobile edition accomplishes this.
It's disconcerting that even Motorola doesn't give you the right answer.
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Is there a way to determine what areas T-Mobile has already refarmed (I'm in the Chicago area BTW)?

zabolots said:
Is there a way to determine what areas T-Mobile has already refarmed (I'm in the Chicago area BTW)?
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Chicago is refarmed, I live in Chicago But not all areas are refarmed, so go with the TMO version or you'll be jumping between edge and LTE a lot.

Kev1000000 said:
Exactly. The developer edition DOES NOT support the 1700mhz HSPA+ band. It will not connect to T-Mobile's HSPA+ network in the areas that haven't been refarmed. Only the T-Mobile edition accomplishes this.
It's disconcerting that even Motorola doesn't give you the right answer.
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you know 1700 band = AWS band right?

mohlsen8 said:
you know 1700 band = AWS band right?
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Yes. The XT1058 does not support the 1700MHz AWS band. Only the XT1053 does.

Kev1000000 said:
Yes. The XT1058 does not support the 1700MHz AWS band. Only the XT1053 does.
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But according to the Moto rep, the Dev Edition IS an XT1053. Are there really two versions of the XT1053, one with support for 1700MHz AWS for T-Mobile and one without (Dev Edition)?
It's crazy that there is so much confusion about this and that apparently even Motorola doesn't know what it has!

zabolots said:
But according to the Moto rep, the Dev Edition IS an XT1053. Are there really two versions of the XT1053, one with support for 1700MHz AWS for T-Mobile and one without (Dev Edition)?
It's crazy that there is so much confusion about this and that apparently even Motorola doesn't know what it has!
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Yes, I have a dev edition - it is the XT1053. So is the T-Mobile version. They're the same phone but one has less storage. Pretty sure Motorola has their description correct.

If it's the XT1503, then yes, it should support 1700MHz AWS.

Well it does not have the 1700mhz frequency just look at the Motorola site it shows LTE bands for the dev edition as 700 and 1900

AndreaCristiano said:
Well it does not have the 1700mhz frequency just look at the Motorola site it shows LTE bands for the dev edition as 700 and 1900
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The 1700 band is for TMO's HSPA network.

So from all the responses thus far, here is what I can come up with:
- Both the GSM Developer Edition and the T-Mobile version are model XT1053
- The T-Mobile version definitely supports T-Mobile's 1700MHz HSPA+
- According to Moto's Developer Edition page, it does NOT support 1700MHz band
So, is it really likely that there are two different versions of the XT1053, one of which has 16GB and supports T-Mobile's 1700MHz HSPA+ and another which has 32GB but does NOT support T-Mobile's 1700MHz HSPA+?
If only there were somebody here who actually owned a Developer Edition AND used it on T-Mobile in an area that hasn't been refarmed...

zabolots said:
So from all the responses thus far, here is what I can come up with:
- Both the GSM Developer Edition and the T-Mobile version are model XT1053
- The T-Mobile version definitely supports T-Mobile's 1700MHz HSPA+
- According to Moto's Developer Edition page, it does NOT support 1700MHz band
So, is it really likely that there are two different versions of the XT1053, one of which has 16GB and supports T-Mobile's 1700MHz HSPA+ and another which has 32GB but does NOT support T-Mobile's 1700MHz HSPA+?
If only there were somebody here who actually owned a Developer Edition AND used it on T-Mobile in an area that hasn't been refarmed...
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Developer is xt1058 and it does not support 1700mhz its in black and white on the developer phone page on Motorola's website

Aws

Ok..so does 4.4.2 finally give us AWS on verizon? Need it badly here in NYC. Delay is activating this band is ridiculous

azzurrony said:
Ok..so does 4.4.2 finally give us AWS on verizon? Need it badly here in NYC. Delay is activating this band is ridiculous
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4.4 on my Verizon Dev X appears to give me AWS LTE... I say that because I get LTE signal when using my T-Mobile USA SIM in my X. And T-Mobile supports Band 4, not Band 13.

KidJoe said:
4.4 on my Verizon Dev X appears to give me AWS LTE... I say that because I get LTE signal when using my T-Mobile USA SIM in my X. And T-Mobile supports Band 4, not Band 13.
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4.4 VZ Dev Ed gives me band 4 LTE with a TMo SIM. Have yet to try it since flashing a EU 4.4.2 file (kept my 4.4 VZ radios, so I can't imagine it would change much, but Play Store recognizes my device as XT1052 now, which I find funny).

What app do you use to check the band?

azzurrony said:
What app do you use to check the band?
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I have nothing that will display the LTE Band. I would love to find one that does.
For me, its process of Elimination.. VZW X initially supported LTE Band 13, which T-mobile doesn't support. T-Mobile does support LTE Band 4, which is the only other VZW LTE Band. (VZW lists Band 13 and 4 on their page for the X). Since I get LTE with my T-Mobile SIM it must be LTE band 4.

If you get T-Mobile LTE in any device, it supports AWS LTE, period.

I understand the process of elimination but on my SGS3 it would give me a band number (Band 13 in my case) but my Moto X gives me no band number. Is there a way to find out what band it is actually connected to?

titanshadow said:
I understand the process of elimination but on my SGS3 it would give me a band number (Band 13 in my case) but my Moto X gives me no band number. Is there a way to find out what band it is actually connected to?
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As far as I know, no, not on vanilla Android. I also own a Galaxy S4 and what you're talking about is integrated into TouchWiz.

The Moto X used to tell you what Band it was on...this was prior to the Kitkat update. After that, I have been unable to find an app that tells me what band it is using. If anyone else has ideas, let me know. (BTW I am not rooted.)

[Q] Does Pure Edition support Fido/Rogers 3G/LTE bands?

I'm thinking of getting the pure in the US and using it up in Canada. Wondering if it'll work. I've heard mixed things about the LTE bands and some saying that 3G won't work at all.
Much obliged.

busywaffles said:
I'm thinking of getting the pure in the US and using it up in Canada. Wondering if it'll work. I've heard mixed things about the LTE bands and some saying that 3G won't work at all.
Much obliged.
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It will work perfect, 100%

Telus sells the XT1097, your looking at the XT1095 out the US just don't pick the AT&T model as it has a locked boot loader that seems cant be unlocked at all..... The Telus model, supposed to have the quickest updates... well thats a lie.... there is no update as of today... and no indication of when either...

I was able to buy a XT1095. I still haven't received it but now all I can think about is "What if I need to use the warranty for some reason?". Did anyone in Canada have to go through that?

busywaffles said:
I'm thinking of getting the pure in the US and using it up in Canada. Wondering if it'll work. I've heard mixed things about the LTE bands and some saying that 3G won't work at all.
Much obliged.
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I asked a similar question (but for Telus) on howard forums. This is the response i received o0vL
"Moto X - Pure Edition (GSM Unlocked with T-Mo SIM - XT1095):
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1700 (AWS), 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17)
Telus Moto X Specs
4G LTE: (Bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7,17, 29)
4G (HSPA): 2100MHz (Band I) / 1900MHz (Band II) / 1700MHz (Band IV) / 850MHz (Band V) / 900MHz (Band VIII)
Seems like the Pure Edition is missing band 29, where its available on the Telus version. Not sure if it will affect the LTE connection"
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On another thread on this site, someone mentioned that the hardware is the exact same on the canadian model as it is on the pure edition model, the only difference is the firmware. So it seems to me that a radio flash might be required in order to receive the proper bands. I'd love confirmation on this, as I plan on using motomaker in the US to build my phone.

BMelz said:
I asked a similar question (but for Telus) on howard forums. This is the response i received o0vL
On another thread on this site, someone mentioned that the hardware is the exact same on the canadian model as it is on the pure edition model, the only difference is the firmware. So it seems to me that a radio flash might be required in order to receive the proper bands. I'd love confirmation on this, as I plan on using motomaker in the US to build my phone.
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You can't actually change the modem files, you must you the original meant for the phone. The XT1095 supports all of the 2G,3G and 4G bands that Rogers/Bell/Telus/Fido/Virgin/Koodo/Wind/Mobilicity use in Canada. You don't need to do anything but insert your nano sim and possibly program the APN to get network data.

Steve-x said:
You can't actually change the modem files, you must you the original meant for the phone. The XT1095 supports all of the 2G,3G and 4G bands that Rogers/Bell/Telus/Fido/Virgin/Koodo/Wind/Mobilicity use in Canada. You don't need to do anything but insert your nano sim and possibly program the APN to get network data.
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thanks for the reply Steve, so the lack of band 29 shouldn't be an issue? LTE speeds should be achievable?
thanks again,

[Q] Using UK Retail version in US

Hi All,
I have a Moto X 2014 Retail UK Version, XT1092 is the model number, i would be moving to the US in some time will my moto x work without any issues in the US operators with 4G and all,
If this wont work what are the options i have to get the same phone to work in the US ??

einstien_ncp said:
Hi All,
I have a Moto X 2014 Retail UK Version, XT1092 is the model number, i would be moving to the US in some time will my moto x work without any issues in the US operators with 4G and all,
If this wont work what are the options i have to get the same phone to work in the US ??
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It should work with either AT&T or T-mobile in the US, but I think the LTE bands are different, so HSPA+ is the best you would do. My wife uses a Moto G on T-mobile HSPA+ and I can't tell a difference between data speed for her and my Moto X on LTE during regular use. Cheapest option (assuming only you on the contract) is probably a T-mobile pre-paid SIM. There is a plan from their website with loads of data, but only 100 min of voice per month for $30. They have several other options.
Not knowing how long you will be here, selling your phone and getting a US Pure model (will also work when you go back to UK) might be the best option.

Mine is a network unlocked Moto x in the UK, and i would be relocating permanently to the US, but dont want to sell off this one and get a new one in US. Was checking if there is any way to get the LTE bands enabled in the US or any network provider who uses similar of most of the LTE bands supported by the UK edition and will manage on 3G for the other duration.

einstien_ncp said:
Mine is a network unlocked Moto x in the UK, and i would be relocating permanently to the US, but dont want to sell off this one and get a new one in US. Was checking if there is any way to get the LTE bands enabled in the US or any network provider who uses similar of most of the LTE bands supported by the UK edition and will manage on 3G for the other duration.
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XT1092 bands
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1800, 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (1, 3, 7, 8, 20)
AT&T
https://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB113269
T-Mobile
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4988