What are the differences between the Moto X for T-Mobile (available only on Motorola's site) and the GSM developer edition in terms of network compatibility? I know that T-Mobile has "weird" frequencies for their HSPA+ network and the T-Mobile model supports this. Does the GSM Developer edition support the T-Mobile HSPA+ band for those areas where LTE isn't available?
I am under the impression that the developer edition only supports T-Mobile HSPA that is on the 1900mhz band.
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After posting my original question I found this post which states:
Not sure why there is so much confusion going about. The GSM Developer Edition, for all intensive purposes, is the exact same phone as the T-mobile Moto X (which is the true unlocked and unbranded Moto X). So the bands that they both support are identical, which includes:
2G/Edge: 850, 900, 1800, 1900MHz
3G/HSPA+/UMTS: 850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100MHz
4G/LTE : Bands 2, 4, 17
Again, they're the exact same phones. The only difference is that the GSM DE comes with 32gb only and is $650 with a white back and black front, and the T-mobile Moto X comes in only 16gb size (for now) and in weave black or weave white colors.
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I've seen so many contradictions on this it's crazy. So while the author doesn't understand it, I'm still confused.
I definitely want support for all T-Mobile HSPA+ bands since their LTE network is so new and not very widespread, but I don't have a firm grasp of whether or not the developer edition will support all T-Mobile frequencies. If the author of the above post is correct, I'll likely go with the Dev edition. However, from his signature, he's running the 16GB T-Mobile version so I'm not entirely sure that he is the best source of this information.
Can anyone that acutally owns the GSM Dev edition confirm that it works on the T-Mobile HSPA+ bands?
Thanks!
zabolots said:
After posting my original question I found this post which states:
I've seen so many contradictions on this it's crazy. So while the author doesn't understand it, I'm still confused.
I definitely want support for all T-Mobile HSPA+ bands since their LTE network is so new and not very widespread, but I don't have a firm grasp of whether or not the developer edition will support all T-Mobile frequencies. If the author of the above post is correct, I'll likely go with the Dev edition. However, from his signature, he's running the 16GB T-Mobile version so I'm not entirely sure that he is the best source of this information.
Can anyone that acutally owns the GSM Dev edition confirm that it works on the T-Mobile HSPA+ bands?
Thanks!
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i dont have a dev edition, but i saw someone say it was an XT1053 model as well. So if it is it should be the same as the t-mobile one (which i have actually)
The XT1053 model is the only model with the 1700mhz 3G band for T-Mobile. There would be no reason for the XT1053 to exist otherwise.
If you're on T-Mobile, go with the XT1053. It's bootloader is unlockable AND it's SIM unlocked. It's essentially a developer edition phone, with T-Mobile bands.
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If you're on T-Mobile, go with the XT1053. It's bootloader is unlockable AND it's SIM unlocked. It's essentially a developer edition phone, with T-Mobile bands.
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Are you certain about the T-Mobile version being SIM-unlocked? I had read other posts that indicated that while it does have an unlockable bootloader that it is SIM-locked to T-Mobile.
For what it's worth, here's a log of a chat I had with Moto customer service:
Scott: I am interested in the Moto X and I'm on T-Mobile in the U.S. I know that there is a T-Mobile version, the XT1053. However, I'd really like more storage so I'm wanting the GSM Developer edition. However, I know that T-Mobile US has some strange frequencies for their HSPA+ network and I'm not sure if the Developer Edition fully supports all T-Mobile bands. Can you confirm if the Developer Edition will work exactly the same on T-Mobile as the T-Mobile model XT1053?
Gerald Ray: Let me check if I can get your some visuals and detailed information. Hold on please.
Gerald Ray: I was able to verify that information. Yes, it does support Frequencies HSPA+ and other bands. It works exactly the same as the T-Mobile Moto X.
Developer version is 32GB, normal carrier version is 16GB
Moto X - Black or white available
Gerald Ray: You may also check this site: www [dot] motorola [dot] com/us/Moto-X-Developer-Edition-GSM-Networks/moto-x-developer-edition.html
Gerald Ray: Networks
GSM/GPRS/EDGE - UMTS/HSPA + up to 42 Mbps - 4G LTE
2G/2.5G GSM/GPRS/EDGE bands
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G UMTS bands
850/900/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B4/B2/B1)
4G LTE bands
700/AWS/1900MHz (B17/B4/B2)
Scott: So you are saying that the T-Mobile version is exactly the same as the GSM Developer edition, except for the internal storage (32GB vs 16GB)?
Gerald Ray: Yes, correct.
Scott: Is the GSM Developer Edition an XT1053 or is it a different model number?
Gerald Ray: Good question. Let me check on that. Hold on please.
Gerald Ray: Yes, It has the same model number which is XT1053.
Scott: One final question: Is the T-Mobile version SIM-locked to the T-Mobile network or can I put in an AT&T SIM and use the device on the AT&T network as I could with the Developer Edition?
Gerald Ray: Thanks for the question. T-Mobile version is SIM-Locked to the T-Mobile Network only.
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The only difference are
- colors
- Dev edition print
- 16gb more
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zabolots said:
3G UMTS bands
850/900/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B4/B2/B1)
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Exactly. The developer edition DOES NOT support the 1700mhz HSPA+ band. It will not connect to T-Mobile's HSPA+ network in the areas that haven't been refarmed. Only the T-Mobile edition accomplishes this.
It's disconcerting that even Motorola doesn't give you the right answer.
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Exactly. The developer edition DOES NOT support the 1700mhz HSPA+ band. It will not connect to T-Mobile's HSPA+ network in the areas that haven't been refarmed. Only the T-Mobile edition accomplishes this.
It's disconcerting that even Motorola doesn't give you the right answer.
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but its a XT1053, so it DOES support AWS hspa.
Kev1000000 said:
Exactly. The developer edition DOES NOT support the 1700mhz HSPA+ band. It will not connect to T-Mobile's HSPA+ network in the areas that haven't been refarmed. Only the T-Mobile edition accomplishes this.
It's disconcerting that even Motorola doesn't give you the right answer.
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Is there a way to determine what areas T-Mobile has already refarmed (I'm in the Chicago area BTW)?
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Is there a way to determine what areas T-Mobile has already refarmed (I'm in the Chicago area BTW)?
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Chicago is refarmed, I live in Chicago But not all areas are refarmed, so go with the TMO version or you'll be jumping between edge and LTE a lot.
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Exactly. The developer edition DOES NOT support the 1700mhz HSPA+ band. It will not connect to T-Mobile's HSPA+ network in the areas that haven't been refarmed. Only the T-Mobile edition accomplishes this.
It's disconcerting that even Motorola doesn't give you the right answer.
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you know 1700 band = AWS band right?
mohlsen8 said:
you know 1700 band = AWS band right?
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Yes. The XT1058 does not support the 1700MHz AWS band. Only the XT1053 does.
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Yes. The XT1058 does not support the 1700MHz AWS band. Only the XT1053 does.
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But according to the Moto rep, the Dev Edition IS an XT1053. Are there really two versions of the XT1053, one with support for 1700MHz AWS for T-Mobile and one without (Dev Edition)?
It's crazy that there is so much confusion about this and that apparently even Motorola doesn't know what it has!
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But according to the Moto rep, the Dev Edition IS an XT1053. Are there really two versions of the XT1053, one with support for 1700MHz AWS for T-Mobile and one without (Dev Edition)?
It's crazy that there is so much confusion about this and that apparently even Motorola doesn't know what it has!
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Yes, I have a dev edition - it is the XT1053. So is the T-Mobile version. They're the same phone but one has less storage. Pretty sure Motorola has their description correct.
If it's the XT1503, then yes, it should support 1700MHz AWS.
Well it does not have the 1700mhz frequency just look at the Motorola site it shows LTE bands for the dev edition as 700 and 1900
AndreaCristiano said:
Well it does not have the 1700mhz frequency just look at the Motorola site it shows LTE bands for the dev edition as 700 and 1900
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The 1700 band is for TMO's HSPA network.
So from all the responses thus far, here is what I can come up with:
- Both the GSM Developer Edition and the T-Mobile version are model XT1053
- The T-Mobile version definitely supports T-Mobile's 1700MHz HSPA+
- According to Moto's Developer Edition page, it does NOT support 1700MHz band
So, is it really likely that there are two different versions of the XT1053, one of which has 16GB and supports T-Mobile's 1700MHz HSPA+ and another which has 32GB but does NOT support T-Mobile's 1700MHz HSPA+?
If only there were somebody here who actually owned a Developer Edition AND used it on T-Mobile in an area that hasn't been refarmed...
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So from all the responses thus far, here is what I can come up with:
- Both the GSM Developer Edition and the T-Mobile version are model XT1053
- The T-Mobile version definitely supports T-Mobile's 1700MHz HSPA+
- According to Moto's Developer Edition page, it does NOT support 1700MHz band
So, is it really likely that there are two different versions of the XT1053, one of which has 16GB and supports T-Mobile's 1700MHz HSPA+ and another which has 32GB but does NOT support T-Mobile's 1700MHz HSPA+?
If only there were somebody here who actually owned a Developer Edition AND used it on T-Mobile in an area that hasn't been refarmed...
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Developer is xt1058 and it does not support 1700mhz its in black and white on the developer phone page on Motorola's website
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If I were to buy an unlocked version from HTC, or from another retailer, maybe from the UK, are the specs different? What about the hspa, hspa+, or LTE bands?
Right now I have TMO, if I could find an unlocked version before they release the phone, I'll buy that, just curious about the specs and usage.
LTE won't work at all. HSPA+ might but on TMOUS you probably won't get HSPA+ unless the variant has AWS.
Anyway to know?
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purchase the HTC DEV EDITION.
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=4041
LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900
WCDMA 850 / 1900 / 2100
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
T-Mobile version supports WCDMA 1700 instead of LTE 850/1900
I want to buy the phone outright, but since I live in Houston, there is LTE with both T-Mobile and ATT, will the Developer edition allow for LTE on either carrier? I don't want to get stuck with something that only has Edge of HSPA+ speeds.
Unless I"m missing something, the T-Mo version would work on all bands on both AT&T and T-Mobile. The Dev edition wouldn't get you HSPA on AWS for T-Mobile (which is almost all of T-MO HSPA), nor would you get WiFi calling if you were going to be using T-Mobile.
Edit: More info on the Dev edition:
http://www.phonedog.com/2013/04/05/...ick-off-today-scheduled-to-ship-out-april-19/
oryan_dunn said:
Unless I"m missing something, the T-Mo version would work on all bands on both AT&T and T-Mobile. The Dev edition wouldn't get you HSPA on AWS for T-Mobile (which is almost all of T-MO HSPA), nor would you get WiFi calling if you were going to be using T-Mobile.
Edit: More info on the Dev edition:
http://www.phonedog.com/2013/04/05/...ick-off-today-scheduled-to-ship-out-april-19/
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Would putting the eventual TMOUS radio on the Dev Edition get us AWS HSPA? I can give up the extra LTE bands.
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Would putting the eventual TMOUS radio on the Dev Edition get us AWS HSPA? I can give up the extra LTE bands.
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I have no idea.
It seems strange to me. Why is the regular version (sold on Handtec, Clove etc...) more expensive than the developers version?
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Would putting the eventual TMOUS radio on the Dev Edition get us AWS HSPA? I can give up the extra LTE bands.
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Now that I think about it, since it's a dev phone, why wouldn't they enable all bands if it were technically capable? Seems to me there'd be a hardware difference limiting the bands.
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romitkin said:
It seems strange to me. Why is the regular version (sold on Handtec, Clove etc...) more expensive than the developers version?
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Are those importers?
From what i've read, the Developer edition is 64GB and only available in Silver (booo!)
And it doesn't support HSPA+ on T Mobile in the USA
However, I don't care about T Mobile HSPA+, what I want to know is if it will work on other UK networks with HSPA+
All the information i can find goes on about T mobile....does anyone know if it contains HSPA+ that works on other networks?
This website says:
http://www5-shopamerica.htc.com/cell-phones/productdetail.htm?prId=41599
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)
However, I think HTC are going to pimp any and all versions possible
We already now know the nexus edition is coming
As this design is so popular, I would image they will start making HTC One Mini, HTC One Pad and other improvements to the current design
I had a tweet back from one of their developers about a black 64gb dev version, she said anything is possible
I would imagine they are just having stock issues at present, so i'm hoping for a black version
I am ready to buy the 64 mb Developer Edition but I want to make sure
this will work with the LTE USA bands.
My Nexus 4 does not. Experts Please advise.
Thank you in advance,
Charlie C
Yes works in ATT and T-Mobile. It says it on the spec page bud
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expertzero1 said:
Yes works in ATT and T-Mobile. It says it on the spec page bud
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On ALL LTE bands? Final question....
Thank you
Charlie
I don't have the specs off my head but 700, aws and others just check at the HTC store for the specs
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HTC One Developer Edition unboxing and hands-on VIDEO
Here is HTC One Developer Edition unboxing video.
In short yes it will work fine with both AT&T and TMO LTE bands.
It gets more complicated when talking about UMTS/HSPA bands on TMO but for LTE you're fine.
MG
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Yes works in ATT and T-Mobile. It says it on the spec page bud
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Are you sure about T-mo? From the T-mo site http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-5627
-Mobile’s 4G LTE network will operate on the same band as our 4G HSPA+ network, Band IV, which uses 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies to transmit data services.
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I hope I'm reading this wrong, I am by no means an expert, but if they use 1700/2100 as they do for HSPA (IE one frequency upstream the other down) then the dev edition will not get 4G LTE on TMOUS.
Sorry for Hijacking the thread a little.
Quote from Android Police
A reminder to T-Mobile customers: this model will not support HSPA+ in most markets, but should work on its growing LTE network where offered.
Also, to follow that up. If you are in a refarmed 1900mhz area it will work HSPA+
That is my take from the Article
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...-pre-orders-open-up-to-u-s-customers-for-649/
SykesAT said:
I hope I'm reading this wrong, I am by no means an expert, but if they use 1700/2100 as they do for HSPA (IE one frequency upstream the other down) then the dev edition will not get 4G LTE on TMOUS.
Sorry for Hijacking the thread a little.
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The quote is correct but so is what rugmankc said. The short answer is that UMTS and LTE band support does not have to be the same.
If you want a few specifics, the dev and AT&T Ones support LTE band 4 (AWS, or 1700/2100MHz) but only have triband UMTS (850/1900/2100 iirc). The T-Mobile One supports quadband UMTS (all UMTS frequencies except 900MHz I think) as well as LTE band 4. They both support LTE band 17 (700MHz) also, not sure about others.
So in conclusion: ATT/dev One works on T-Mo LTE and refarmed 1900MHz HSPA+.
ATT
Does anyone actually have the HTC one developer Edition on ATT and is running LTE?
CC
Guys, would appreciate if someone could help me out here.
Just wanted to confirm the Tmobile and the Developer edition Moto X are basically both compatible with 3g networks around the globe right? Specially in the UAE? The US Nexus 5 apart from the 4g works fine here.
Also, they two (tmobile/developer) are technically the same phones right? The costs now being the same I'm wondering which one to get.
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 - all versions
CDMA 800 / 1900 - for Verizon, Sprint
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 - for AT&T, Verizon
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - for T-Mobile
CDMA2000 1xEV-DO - for Verizon
HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 - for Sprint
4G Network LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - for AT&T
LTE 700 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - for T-Mobile
LTE 700 MHz Class 13 - for Verizon
LTE 1900 - for Sprint
Refer to your carrier for compatibility.
metalron said:
Guys, would appreciate if someone could help me out here.
Just wanted to confirm the Tmobile and the Developer edition Moto X are basically both compatible with 3g networks around the globe right? Specially in the UAE? The US Nexus 5 apart from the 4g works fine here.
Also, they two (tmobile/developer) are technically the same phones right? The costs now being the same I'm wondering which one to get.
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Here is the view from wikipedia
Model FCC id Carriers CDMA bands GSM bands UMTS bands LTE bands Notes
XT1049 IHDT56PB2 Republic Wireless 800/1900 Unknown Unknown 25 The GSM/UMTS network functions have been disabled by firmware and are SIM locked
XT1053 IHDT56PA2 T-Mobile US, Developer Edition (GSM) N/A Quad 850/900/1700/1900/2100 2/4/17 Developer Edition is not SIM locked and is compatible with AT&T Mobility and T-Mobile US networks[26]
XT1055 IHDT56PB3 U.S. Cellular 800/1900 Quad 850/900/1900/2100 4/5/12
XT1056 IHDT56PB2 Sprint Corporation 800/1900 Quad 850/1900/2100[27] 25 The GSM/UMTS network functions have been disabled by firmware and are SIM locked[27]
XT1058 IHDT56PA1 AT&T Mobility, Rogers, Vivo, Claro (Puerto Rico), Movistar and Claro (Chile) N/A Quad 850/900/1900/2100 2/4/5/7/17
XT1060 IHDT56PB1 Verizon Wireless 850/1900 Quad 850/900/1900/2100 4/13 Developer Edition is also available,[28] though one source[29] claims it only supports LTE band 13 (not 4)
Looks the XT1058 model with the most of the LTE bands but it depends on the firmware.
Be aware that the GSM developer edition is missing band 700 for ATT LTE service. In my area, band 700 is used and I am not receiving LTE. At first I thought there was a problem with the phone but as i traveled yesterday to Indianapolis as soon as I hit Kentucky LTE showed on the gsm developer edition. Am on the fence as to whether I will return it. Did not realize this until I spoke with the local corporate location this morning.
raydi07 said:
Be aware that the GSM developer edition is missing band 700 for ATT LTE service. In my area, band 700 is used and I am not receiving LTE. At first I thought there was a problem with the phone but as i traveled yesterday to Indianapolis as soon as I hit Kentucky LTE showed on the gsm developer edition. Am on the fence as to whether I will return it. Did not realize this until I spoke with the local corporate location this morning.
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The T-Mobile/Dev Edition are missing Band 5, which is 850mhz. Band 17 is 700mhz, which all the GSM versions support.
The T-Mobile and GSM Dev edition definitely use the same ROM and radio/modems. This is verified by requesting/downloading the firmware from Moto's web site, and comparing it to the retail/consumer rom hosted on http://sbf.droid-developers.org/ghost/list.php and comparing the files included in each.
This thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2546466 also has a discussion of the bands/frequencies the phones support.
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Be aware that the GSM developer edition is missing band 700 for ATT LTE service. In my area, band 700 is used and I am not receiving LTE. At first I thought there was a problem with the phone but as i traveled yesterday to Indianapolis as soon as I hit Kentucky LTE showed on the gsm developer edition. Am on the fence as to whether I will return it. Did not realize this until I spoke with the local corporate location this morning.
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Really? When it came to LTE bands I thought the T-mo/Dev X was only missing bands 5 & 7 when compared to the ATT variant, and those bands aren't supposed to be used in the USA. (at least that is what John Renaldi of Moto posted on G+ not too long ago.)
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Really? When it came to LTE bands I thought the T-mo/Dev X was only missing bands 5 & 7 when compared to the ATT variant, and those bands aren't supposed to be used in the USA. (at least that is what John Renaldi of Moto posted on G+ not too long ago.)
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That is correct, I missed that one in my post above. Band 7 is 2600mhz and is not used in the US.
Are the available bands hardware or software limited?
Tapatalked from my G PAD 8.3
What bands are missing from the gsm unlocked non Dev edition?
Hardware limited.
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What bands are missing from the gsm unlocked non Dev edition?
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I believe the GSM Unlocked device that you can pick from Moto Maker when you don't select carrier, is the same as the T-Mobile USA device, in which case it would be missing bands 5 & 7 when compared to the ATT variant
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I believe the GSM Unlocked device that you can pick from Moto Maker when you don't select carrier, is the same as the T-Mobile USA device, in which case it would be missing bands 5 & 7 when compared to the ATT variant
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Well mine picks up LTE on at just fine. I just can't receive MMS for some reason.
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Well mine picks up LTE on at just fine. I just can't receive MMS for some reason.
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Who is your carrier? LTE Band 5 & 7 are rumored to be only used outside the USA, so for "Domestic USA LTE Use" the ATT (after sim unlock), T-Mobile, GSM Unlocked, and GSM Dev editions should all perform the same. The only real difference is lack of HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS(1700/2100) on the ATT model, which the T-Mo and Dev support, and GSM Unlocked should support too.
As for MMS, check your APN settings are correct.
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Who is your carrier? LTE Band 5 & 7 are rumored to be only used outside the USA, so for "Domestic USA LTE Use" the ATT (after sim unlock), T-Mobile, GSM Unlocked, and GSM Dev editions should all perform the same. The only real difference is lack of HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS(1700/2100) on the ATT model, which the T-Mo and Dev support, and GSM Unlocked should support too.
As for MMS, check your APN settings are correct.
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I am on att and I have been through every APN. Check my thread to see everything that's going on.
LTE on AT&T working
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I am on att and I have been through every APN. Check my thread to see everything that's going on.
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Just wanted to share my experience on AT&T. Bought a Moto X developer edition from Motorola. Mine works and picks up AT&T LTE without issues. Also MMS works fine as well.
Just make sure you swap your existing SIM card to a brand new one at a corporate store where they actually scan the SIM and enter your IMEI into the AT&T system. Not sure if this was done already in your case. Good luck...
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Just wanted to share my experience on AT&T. Bought a Moto X developer edition from Motorola. Mine works and picks up AT&T LTE without issues. Also MMS works fine as well.
Just make sure you swap your existing SIM card to a brand new one at a corporate store where they actually scan the SIM and enter your IMEI into the AT&T system. Not sure if this was done already in your case. Good luck...
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We figured out the problem. Porting a number from straight talk caused the issue. Once I activated a new number on a new Sim everything worked perfect.
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We figured out the problem. Porting a number from straight talk caused the issue. Once I activated a new number on a new Sim everything worked perfect.
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Glad everything worked out.
the general thread lists the models and it frequencies, and then list the operators and the used frequencies... but the wikipedia table also has "LTE bands" which are not mentioned anywhere.
what are those about?
Also, i can't see a sinlge model from that wiki table that matches all frequencies on the AT&T/T-Mobile line...
my main goal is to use them on both of those network, which is conveniently on the same line on the general thread , and not have a dead weight when traveling.
i'm sure i'm missing something obvious here, as not even the models market for a certain operator lists all the frequencies listed for that operator...
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the general thread lists the models and it frequencies, and then list the operators and the used frequencies... but the wikipedia table also has "LTE bands" which are not mentioned anywhere.
what are those about?
Also, i can't see a sinlge model from that wiki table that matches all frequencies on the AT&T/T-Mobile line...
my main goal is to use them on both of those network, which is conveniently on the same line on the general thread , and not have a dead weight when traveling.
i'm sure i'm missing something obvious here, as not even the models market for a certain operator lists all the frequencies listed for that operator...
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Its a trade-off no matter what you do.
If you want the most LTE bands, then go with the XT1058 ROGERS variant, which is SIM-Unlocked for any provider. As shown on the wikipedia list, each model number DOES support the bands shown, but certain individual carrier variants may be SIM-locked (AT&T IS - Don't get that one...), or have different 'bloat' software installed.
If you want the most UMTS bands (think HSPA, HSPA+), then go with the XT1053 T-Mobile variant
All the versions support the 4 GSM bands, so calling and 2g data will be consistent no matter which model you get (other than the SIM-Locked variants).
Hope this helps.
PS: LTE band info here: http://niviuk.free.fr/lte_band.php This will show you which frequency corresponds to each band.
EDIT: If you only plan on using AT&T and T-Mobile, DEFINITELY get the T-Mobile variant. It is SIM-unlocked, supports all frequency bands currently deployed in the U.S. by both AT&T -AND- T-Mobile.
If you were to get the Rogers version (or other XT1058), you would completely lose the AWS band which T-Mobile uses extensively. The two additional LTE bands the XT1058 supports over the XT1053 aren't even deployed in the US as of now.
Be careful when looking at the Wikipedia table. It shows the Republic Wireless as supporting some GSM bands that those in the RW thread say it doesn't.. and the link to the FCC doc is really the SPRINT model, not RW. I'm not sure what other issues their might be.
If you want one single phone to use on BOTH att and T-Mo, get the GSM Developer Edition, or the GSM UNlocked (comes with T-Mobile SIM) from Moto Maker.
They support the following bands (per Moto web site, which might not be updated to reflect possible changes in more recent firmwares)...
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
UMTS/HSPA: 850/900/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B4/B2/B1)
LTE: 700/AWS/1900MHz (B17/B4/B2)
If you have T-Mobile, the HSPA on AWS is important to get H/H+ in areas T-Mobile hasn't yet refarmed their 1900Mhz spectrum. No other X supports H/H+ on AWS that T-mobile uses.
The GSM Unlocked and Dev Edition will work with ATT's GSM/EDGE/GPRS/HSPA and LTE networks as it supports the necessary bands. There are two extra LTE bands the ATT branded X supports, however they were originally only used outside the USA. Reports are that ATT might start using one of them in the USA, but as of yet you wont notice it with the GSM Unlocked or GSM Dev Edition phones on ATT.
If you are going "non-contract" check the prices. If the Moto Maker and the Developer Edition are the same price, consider the Dev Edition if you want root, as unlocking the bootloader on the Moto Maker and Retail versions voids the warranty, where was unlocking the bootloader on the Dev Edition doesn't. Only difference would be the appearance. You can't customize the look of the Dev Edition, it comes as black face, woven white back, silver accents (buttons and ring around camera). But you can get a case to cover it, or use dbrand skins (I have no affiliation with dbrand, just saw it suggested by others on the forum here, so its worth a shot).
KidJoe said:
Be careful when looking at the Wikipedia table. It shows the Republic Wireless as supporting some GSM bands that those in the RW thread say it doesn't.. and the link to the FCC doc is really the SPRINT model, not RW. I'm not sure what other issues their might be.
If you want one single phone to use on BOTH att and T-Mo, get the GSM Developer Edition, or the GSM UNlocked (comes with T-Mobile SIM) from Moto Maker.
They support the following bands (per Moto web site, which might not be updated to reflect possible changes in more recent firmwares)...
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
UMTS/HSPA: 850/900/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B4/B2/B1)
LTE: 700/AWS/1900MHz (B17/B4/B2)
If you have T-Mobile, the HSPA on AWS is important to get H/H+ in areas T-Mobile hasn't yet refarmed their 1900Mhz spectrum. No other X supports H/H+ on AWS that T-mobile uses.
The GSM Unlocked and Dev Edition will work with ATT's GSM/EDGE/GPRS/HSPA and LTE networks as it supports the necessary bands. There are two extra LTE bands the ATT branded X supports, however they were originally only used outside the USA. Reports are that ATT might start using one of them in the USA, but as of yet you wont notice it with the GSM Unlocked or GSM Dev Edition phones on ATT.
If you are going "non-contract" check the prices. If the Moto Maker and the Developer Edition are the same price, consider the Dev Edition if you want root, as unlocking the bootloader on the Moto Maker and Retail versions voids the warranty, where was unlocking the bootloader on the Dev Edition doesn't. Only difference would be the appearance. You can't customize the look of the Dev Edition, it comes as black face, woven white back, silver accents (buttons and ring around camera). But you can get a case to cover it, or use dbrand skins (I have no affiliation with dbrand, just saw it suggested by others on the forum here, so its worth a shot).
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The Republic Wireless and Sprint variants are exactly the same. The both support the 4 GSM bands - wikipedia is correct.
The reason the FCC ID links to the sprint version, is because the RW version *IS THE SAME*
I'm looking at my RW Moto X box, and it lists the SAME FCC ID as the Sprint model....just as wikipedia shows.
The only difference is that the RW version has custom firmware for wifi calling, and unlike Sprint, who -sometimes- allows SIM unlock if you meet their criteria, RW will NEVER OTA-Sim-unlock their phones.
They both are using the same SIM-LOCK trickery, however. If we find an exploit to sim-unlock the Sprint variant, it WILL work on the RW version, enabling the GSM bands.
Was my reply not sufficient? You basically said exactly the same thing I did...
I'm thinking of getting the pure in the US and using it up in Canada. Wondering if it'll work. I've heard mixed things about the LTE bands and some saying that 3G won't work at all.
Much obliged.
busywaffles said:
I'm thinking of getting the pure in the US and using it up in Canada. Wondering if it'll work. I've heard mixed things about the LTE bands and some saying that 3G won't work at all.
Much obliged.
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It will work perfect, 100%
Telus sells the XT1097, your looking at the XT1095 out the US just don't pick the AT&T model as it has a locked boot loader that seems cant be unlocked at all..... The Telus model, supposed to have the quickest updates... well thats a lie.... there is no update as of today... and no indication of when either...
I was able to buy a XT1095. I still haven't received it but now all I can think about is "What if I need to use the warranty for some reason?". Did anyone in Canada have to go through that?
busywaffles said:
I'm thinking of getting the pure in the US and using it up in Canada. Wondering if it'll work. I've heard mixed things about the LTE bands and some saying that 3G won't work at all.
Much obliged.
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I asked a similar question (but for Telus) on howard forums. This is the response i received o0vL
"Moto X - Pure Edition (GSM Unlocked with T-Mo SIM - XT1095):
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1700 (AWS), 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17)
Telus Moto X Specs
4G LTE: (Bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7,17, 29)
4G (HSPA): 2100MHz (Band I) / 1900MHz (Band II) / 1700MHz (Band IV) / 850MHz (Band V) / 900MHz (Band VIII)
Seems like the Pure Edition is missing band 29, where its available on the Telus version. Not sure if it will affect the LTE connection"
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On another thread on this site, someone mentioned that the hardware is the exact same on the canadian model as it is on the pure edition model, the only difference is the firmware. So it seems to me that a radio flash might be required in order to receive the proper bands. I'd love confirmation on this, as I plan on using motomaker in the US to build my phone.
BMelz said:
I asked a similar question (but for Telus) on howard forums. This is the response i received o0vL
On another thread on this site, someone mentioned that the hardware is the exact same on the canadian model as it is on the pure edition model, the only difference is the firmware. So it seems to me that a radio flash might be required in order to receive the proper bands. I'd love confirmation on this, as I plan on using motomaker in the US to build my phone.
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You can't actually change the modem files, you must you the original meant for the phone. The XT1095 supports all of the 2G,3G and 4G bands that Rogers/Bell/Telus/Fido/Virgin/Koodo/Wind/Mobilicity use in Canada. You don't need to do anything but insert your nano sim and possibly program the APN to get network data.
Steve-x said:
You can't actually change the modem files, you must you the original meant for the phone. The XT1095 supports all of the 2G,3G and 4G bands that Rogers/Bell/Telus/Fido/Virgin/Koodo/Wind/Mobilicity use in Canada. You don't need to do anything but insert your nano sim and possibly program the APN to get network data.
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thanks for the reply Steve, so the lack of band 29 shouldn't be an issue? LTE speeds should be achievable?
thanks again,