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LTE in Houston TX! WORKING on T-Mobile

so i recently tried out the lte apn setting on my n4 and boom!
the speeds arent THAT impressive, but considering that i was only getting on average 5-7 mb down,
this is a HUGE upgrade.
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Vzqsmooth56 said:
so i recently tried out the lte apn setting on my n4 and boom!
the speeds arent THAT impressive, but considering that i was only getting on average 5-7 mb down,
this is a HUGE upgrade.
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Hate to break this for ya, but your speedtests are HSPA+.

That's not lte its HSPA+ your upload speed isn't high.

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I managed to get a couple speedtests in before the network disappeared. These were taken near Pearland, which is just south of Houston, Tx with a N4.
@Milan I've been lurking in the threads over at howards, you seem to be well versed in this subject. Perhaps you know why i cant seem to stay connected for more than a few minutes.??:confused

3oudreaux said:
I managed to get a couple speedtests in before the network disappeared. These were taken near Pearland, which is just south of Houston, Tx with a N4.
@Milan I've been lurking in the threads over at howards, you seem to be well versed in this subject. Perhaps you know why i cant seem to stay connected for more than a few minutes.??:confused
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Neither can I. The LTE network isn't commercially live and T-Mo simply doesn't want us on it. I have no other explanation. They've had the security system implemented for a while, and if your device isn't provisioned for internal testing, you shouldn't be on. There is too much information we can gather from it, the amount of bandwidth used, frequency, and what they care mostly is the speeds. The speeds are their selling point, money makers, and what we're seeing when we connect is nowhere near what T-Mobile would like to have talked about.
To prove my point, remember the GigaOm, TmoNews story that popped up about 10 days ago covering my speedtests from Astoria, NYC, with speeds up to about 18mbps?
http://gigaom.com/2013/03/15/t-mobiles-lte-network-spotted-hiding-in-the-urban-jungles-of-nyc/
http://www.tmonews.com/2013/03/t-mobile-2/
Well, the next day T-Mobile called in a Press Briefing with CNET, LaptopMag, Verge and Engadget writers and setup an internal 2x10Mhz LTE cell site in NYC to showcase their speeds that were 62mbps.. http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-57574614-85/t-mobile-equips-galaxy-note-2-with-fast-4g-lte-powers/ They've embargoed the story until monday morning at 9AM when all four blitzed the media. Bravo! :good:
Bottom line, they extremely care about their image which has been hurting, as their CEO has been announcing the best network since sliced bread. My speed tests weren't very hot and they had to prove their point.

3oudreaux said:
I managed to get a couple speedtests in before the network disappeared. These were taken near Pearland, which is just south of Houston, Tx with a N4.
@Milan I've been lurking in the threads over at howards, you seem to be well versed in this subject. Perhaps you know why i cant seem to stay connected for more than a few minutes.??:confused
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I've seen the lte network visable on my nexus 4 for close to 2 weeks now. Yet to allow me on but once or twice for all of a few seconds before kicking me off.

Yea that gots to be Hspa+ speeds thats too low for Lte
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milan03 said:
Neither can I. The LTE network isn't commercially live and T-Mo simply doesn't want us on it. I have no other explanation. They've had the security system implemented for a while, and if your device isn't provisioned for internal testing, you shouldn't be on. There is too much information we can gather from it, the amount of bandwidth used, frequency, and what they care mostly is the speeds. The speeds are their selling point, money makers, and what we're seeing when we connect is nowhere near what T-Mobile would like to have talked about.
To prove my point, remember the GigaOm, TmoNews story that popped up about 10 days ago covering my speedtests from Astoria, NYC, with speeds up to about 18mbps?
http://gigaom.com/2013/03/15/t-mobiles-lte-network-spotted-hiding-in-the-urban-jungles-of-nyc/
http://www.tmonews.com/2013/03/t-mobile-2/
Well, the next day T-Mobile called in a Press Briefing with CNET, LaptopMag, Verge and Engadget writers and setup an internal 2x10Mhz LTE cell site in NYC to showcase their speeds that were 62mbps.. http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-57574614-85/t-mobile-equips-galaxy-note-2-with-fast-4g-lte-powers/ They've embargoed the story until monday morning at 9AM when all four blitzed the media. Bravo! :good:
Bottom line, they extremely care about their image which has been hurting, as their CEO has been announcing the best network since sliced bread. My speed tests weren't very hot and they had to prove their point.
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If that's the case they better get working on southeast Wisconsin. T-Mobile is horrible here constant switching to edge.
Another month of this and I'm going back to sprint.
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kthejoker20 said:
If that's the case they better get working on southeast Wisconsin. T-Mobile is horrible here constant switching to edge.
Another month of this and I'm going back to sprint.
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Hmmmm... Where are you at? Im in Racine and get pretty consistent hspa, same in Kenosha where I work. Only time I drop to edge is when I go into stores and such.

Where in Houston are you guys getting LTE and how? I live in Clear Lake/League City and can't seem to connect. Help please?

kthejoker20 said:
If that's the case they better get working on southeast Wisconsin. T-Mobile is horrible here constant switching to edge.
Another month of this and I'm going back to sprint.
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Wait, you're the one that said that lte.tmobile.com APN works and you're getting 7Mbps Up/Down. Were you joking?

i've noticed that some people have H+ what does it mean? mine always says H and average speed is around 12mbps which i find pretty fast for my needs although i wish i had better ping :laugh::laugh::laugh:
and btw i mostly spend my worthless life in Manhattan

probably on a stock rom possibly?

kthejoker20 said:
If that's the case they better get working on southeast Wisconsin. T-Mobile is horrible here constant switching to edge.
Another month of this and I'm going back to sprint.
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I have friends up in Grafton, WI i visit and I've noticed they expanded the 4g a LOT but now it appears grafton is just one big 2g dead zone. (Literally! on https://maps.eng.t-mobile.com/pcc-retail-default.php ) Just odd that they would take away a LOT of 2g coverage that's always been there!

skyrocket727 said:
i've noticed that some people have H+ what does it mean?
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HSPA+ implemented on TMOUS as HSPA-42mbit. People call it HSPA-DC(Dual Channel)as well. Normally means faster speeds although the best I've seen on H+ is 14mbit.

This is in San Francisco I did have my LTE on but as you can see it's not getting LTE it's on hspa your 1900mhz band has probably been upgraded that's all, if you get LTE you should be seeing higher speeds
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dislplin01 said:
This is in San Francisco I did have my LTE on but as you can see it's not getting LTE it's on hspa your 1900mhz band has probably been upgraded that's all, if you get LTE you should be seeing higher speeds
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SJ is going to be a launch market in three days so it makes sense SF has it too.
From what I've been reading over on HowardForums, yeah when they install the 1900mhz HSPA gear it's probably LTE ready as well. From what my 3GS is showing me, I have 1900mhz HSPA here in LA but I doubt it's getting LTE for a long time...I remember it took almost a year until I got H+.

Nexus 4 now supported on MetroPCS

Today, metroPCS announced compatibility with select unlocked GSM devices, and Nexus 4 is on the list as supported.
http://www.androidcentral.com/metropcs-now-welcomes-unlocked-gsm-devices-its-network#comment-616891
I have a few things I am wondering after hearing this news and realizing that they offer completely unlimited voice/text/4G for $60, while Tmo costs $70 for the same thing.
1. are they on Tmo's network yet?
2. is the '4g' service they refer to actually LTE, or is it hspa like Tmo?
3. what data speeds will I be able to connect to with my N4?
4. does metroPCS use band 4 for LTE? if so, is there a list of cities with LTE coverage available?

hp420 said:
Today, metroPCS announced compatibility with select unlocked GSM devices, and Nexus 4 is on the list as supported.
http://www.androidcentral.com/metropcs-now-welcomes-unlocked-gsm-devices-its-network#comment-616891
I have a few things I am wondering after hearing this news and realizing that they offer completely unlimited voice/text/4G for $60, while Tmo costs $70 for the same thing.
1. are they on Tmo's network yet?
2. is the '4g' service they refer to actually LTE, or is it hspa like Tmo?
3. what data speeds will I be able to connect to with my N4?
4. does metroPCS use band 4 for LTE? if so, is there a list of cities with LTE coverage available?
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1. I believe for this service they will be using tmobiles hspa+ network since they currently support CDMA.
2.4g is hspa+, I'm not sure about the lte.
3.standard T-Mobile speeds for hspa+ because they are more than likely using t-mobiles network.
4. It could be that they are using t-mobiles lte network along with the hspa network.
Also its only available in Boston, las Vegas,Dallas and hartford. They said they will add more cities in the future.
http://www.metropcs.com/metro/stati...pyourphone&int_camp=byod-hp-m1-spot=full=true

heat361 said:
1. I believe for this service they will be using tmobiles hspa+ network since they currently support CDMA.
2.4g is hspa+, I'm not sure about the lte.
3.standard T-Mobile speeds for hspa+ because they are more than likely using t-mobiles network.
4. It could be that they are using t-mobiles lte network along with the hspa network.
Also its only available in Boston, las Vegas,Dallas and hartford. They said they will add more cities in the future.
http://www.metropcs.com/metro/stati...pyourphone&int_camp=byod-hp-m1-spot=full=true
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It's nice that MetroPCS is finally doing a bring your own phone thing instead of making you buy a phone as they used to do but it's still T-Mobile service which sucks here. And those cities listed are where T-Mobile already has LTE service up and running so they might be limiting this to where T-Mobile plans to bring in LTE. I also looked at the plans and while they are unlimited they are capped. For $40 a month you only get 500 MB of 4G(LTE) data but I can't find what speed it drops to after that, is it HSPA+, 3G, 2G who knows.

This is a great idea for metro......I get really bad tmo service in my house might make the switch if the prices are on par.....
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nelsonator1982 said:
This is a great idea for metro......I get really bad tmo service in my house might make the switch if the prices are on par.....
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I don't think its gonna make any difference if they're using t-mo's gsm network
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lowrider262 said:
I don't think its gonna make any difference if they're using t-mo's gsm network
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I'm hoping at some point they combine the networks
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kzoodroid said:
It's nice that MetroPCS is finally doing a bring your own phone thing instead of making you buy a phone as they used to do but it's still T-Mobile service which sucks here. And those cities listed are where T-Mobile already has LTE service up and running so they might be limiting this to where T-Mobile plans to bring in LTE. I also looked at the plans and while they are unlimited they are capped. For $40 a month you only get 500 MB of 4G(LTE) data but I can't find what speed it drops to after that, is it HSPA+, 3G, 2G who knows.
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hartford is a short drive for me to get a sim card at a local store. also, they are not on tmobile's lte yet. the only area in ct where it's on is stamford & norwalk, about an hour and a half from hartford. if it's tmo's network i would assume the speed after the data cap is 2g

nelsonator1982 said:
I'm hoping at some point they combine the networks
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They can't combine the networks as MetroPCS has no infrastructure of their own they use Sprint's network.

kzoodroid said:
They can't combine the networks as MetroPCS has no infrastructure of their own they use Sprint's network.
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They already made a deal on May 1st 2013,..

kzoodroid said:
They can't combine the networks as MetroPCS has no infrastructure of their own they use Sprint's network.
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Not true. Metro PCS has spectrum holdings of their own that will be refarmed once they move their customers to T-Mobile's network.
Here is a good article that explains it
http://gigaom.com/2012/10/03/a-birds-eye-view-of-a-combined-t-mobile-metropcs/
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They can't combine the networks as MetroPCS has no infrastructure of their own they use Sprint's network.
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What? T-Mobile bought MetroPCS purely for their spectrum. Granted it will take several years before most of it is usable by T-Mobile users.

bozzykid said:
What? T-Mobile bought MetroPCS purely for their spectrum. Granted it will take several years before most of it is usable by T-Mobile users.
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MetroPCS has limited spectrum, but their LTE is compatible with T-Mobile, 1900 MHz AWS but its very limited as to its coverage. Only in a couple, maybe 6, states and mostly large metro areas. They have like 13 MHz of spectrum in New York, Boston, Dallas, Miami, Detroit, LA and San Francisco which is still mostly CDMA right now. T-Mobile will be expanding in those areas but not elsewhere once they shut down the CDMA network. And for nationwide coverage MetroPCS was using Sprint's network which is who they have roaming agreements with.
One of T-Mobiles biggest problems of late was that it was bleeding subscribers which results in lost revenue which in turn lowers the stock price. Now all of sudden they've added 9 million new subscribers which in the short term will increase the company's revenue and thus its stock price. The limited amount of spectrum it gained will help it compete for subscribers in the large markets I listed above hopefully turning the trend around.
But if someone say from Chicago, or St. Louis asks how does this merger affect me the answer is it doesn't. MetroPCS has no spectrum there, or in about 95% of the country, so nothing changes.

I disagree that this merger will prevent T-Mobile from buying more companies for spectrum. Given their small size compared to Verizon and att, T-Mobile should have no problem clearing anti trust hurdles with the government. They also seem to be now an american company with a majority stake owned by the German parent. I may be wrong but I think before it was just a whole German subsidiary of Deutsche telecom. What I'm sad about is that they didn't merge or buy the wireless spectrum of dish network when that merger was a rumor. Perhaps the cost is too high. They have been bleeding customers for years now but have always been a profitable company. They got enough spectrum and money from the failed att buyout agreement and this metro PCs buyout to roll out a great lte network but I don't understand why people don't realize how good their hspa service is. Att is very slow and clogged and Verizon rarely gets better on lte with their congested network. Never mind the 50+ dollar difference in price per month. I just don't understand why T-Mobile can't make more traction. Maybe with the top tier phones they have been getting as of late and the iPhone will ultimately help their bottom line. I really want to see them expand as long as they don't raise prices too much.
Hopefully their next move will be to buy up spectrum or towers in areas with no coverage previously. I would be more than happy to get plain old 3g service in the more rural areas that are stuck on edge like New York (upstate) and other spots in the north east.
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Jayrod1980 said:
I disagree that this merger will prevent T-Mobile from buying more companies for spectrum. Given their small size compared to Verizon and att, T-Mobile should have no problem clearing anti trust hurdles with the government. They also seem to be now an american company with a majority stake owned by the German parent. I may be wrong but I think before it was just a whole German subsidiary of Deutsche telecom. What I'm sad about is that they didn't merge or buy the wireless spectrum of dish network when that merger was a rumor. Perhaps the cost is too high. They have been bleeding customers for years now but have always been a profitable company. They got enough spectrum and money from the failed att buyout agreement and this metro PCs buyout to roll out a great lte network but I don't understand why people don't realize how good their hspa service is. Att is very slow and clogged and Verizon rarely gets better on lte with their congested network. Never mind the 50+ dollar difference in price per month. I just don't understand why T-Mobile can't make more traction. Maybe with the top tier phones they have been getting as of late and the iPhone will ultimately help their bottom line. I really want to see them expand as long as they don't raise prices too much.
Hopefully their next move will be to buy up spectrum or towers in areas with no coverage previously. I would be more than happy to get plain old 3g service in the more rural areas that are stuck on edge like New York (upstate) and other spots in the north east.
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I agree....their hspa+ isn't half bad:
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I still can't believe I'm only paying $30 a month for my plan with 5gb data! People are blown away when I tell them that. Even though it only includes 100 minutes, 10cents a minute after that is still a pretty good deal, unless you use like 2000 minutes a month usually. After the month's up I usually average about $45 between the base price and extra minutes. This month I topped up early because I killed my 5gb in about a week lol. Even after it cost me $60 this month, I still saved $30 over what I would have spent if I had stayed with sprint.

considering the cities cited metro will be on its own network(the northeast was recently built out new about 4 yrs ago). Hartford, New Haven and Springfield network was built by pocket wireless before they were absorbed by metro... I'm pretty certain the network in New England is capable of delivering 4g lte
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Metro is going to be gone by the end of next year...i just came away from them to come on to T-Mo...their network sucks ass..and so does their customer service...
I will stick with T-mo instead of going back to MetroPOS

hp420 said:
I agree....their hspa+ isn't half bad:
I still can't believe I'm only paying $30 a month for my plan with 5gb data! People are blown away when I tell them that. Even though it only includes 100 minutes, 10cents a minute after that is still a pretty good deal, unless you use like 2000 minutes a month usually. After the month's up I usually average about $45 between the base price and extra minutes. This month I topped up early because I killed my 5gb in about a week lol. Even after it cost me $60 this month, I still saved $30 over what I would have spent if I had stayed with sprint.
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I agree with you about the HSPA+ speeds. I'm in an HSPA+21 area and my highest “down" was 13 Mbps gotta love Build Prop tweaks! I work with a couple of people who have Metro PCS and none of them recommend it. Their “3g" is terrible and even their LTE is under par. America has become so brainwashed with 4GLTE being the best thing since sliced bread, that they're not reading into or even trying out T-Mobile.
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i must say it worked as these things normally do. They threw the word LTE out there a send most of America has bought into it.. So you are telling me you are doing that much more if you connect at 21mbps than 13-20mbps because that usually my speeds on HSPA+ network. Really LTE draining more battery but ok so you downloaded that app on the Play Store 6 seconds faster than me....
As long as I can stream with my Plex, Slingbox, Youtube videos and anything else I need without a hiccup I could care less if its 13 or 31.... Just my opinion

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i must say it worked as these things normally do. They threw the word LTE out there a send most of America has bought into it.. So you are telling me you are doing that much more if you connect at 21mbps than 13-20mbps because that usually my speeds on HSPA+ network.
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LTE can handle a much bigger load of users and the latency is much smaller. All major carriers are moving to it as fast as possible because it is just a much more efficient network. It has nothing to do with individual speeds of users.

playya said:
i must say it worked as these things normally do. They threw the word LTE out there a send most of America has bought into it.. So you are telling me you are doing that much more if you connect at 21mbps than 13-20mbps because that usually my speeds on HSPA+ network. Really LTE draining more battery but ok so you downloaded that app on the Play Store 6 seconds faster than me....
As long as I can stream with my Plex, Slingbox, Youtube videos and anything else I need without a hiccup I could care less if its 13 or 31.... Just my opinion
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Then you are not what's considered a 'power user' so you may not benefit from LTE. Others, like myself, prefer to not pay additional money to a landline internet provider if we have the capability of getting decent speeds and coverage from a wireless host. I, personally, would rather just pay my mobile provider for an unlimited data plan and just turn on the wifi hotspot on my phone for all my devices to use. This can only work with a good fast connection, though. As small as they can be, have you ever tried downloading a rom zip on 3g? Or 2g? It can take well over an hour if you don't have a decent connection. And rom updates are one of the many things users in this community consider a commodity. If I can't get HSPA coverage I won't even bother trying to download a rom, because I know it's going to time out eventually. And yes, I would definitely prefer to have LTE even when downloading a rom. I'd much rather it take me a minute to download it than 4 minutes....I know it must sound crazy to not want to waste 4x as much time waiting lol Just because it's a small amount of time doesn't make it any less significant

[Q] 3G = usable?

Well, I've had this phone for a good 3 months now. I used to have an S2 with H+. I'm not exactly sure how fast 3G(EVDO) is supposed to be, but I'm assuming I should be able to, at the very least, do a Google search. I can barely browse sometimes on LTE, let alone 3G.
Well, today, my buddy showed be a website on his Verizon iPhone 4. It was, at the very least, ten times faster than my browsing experience. It felt as fast as my Wi-fi!
This raises a serious question for me:
Is the HTC One slow? Or is it just Sprint being Sprint? Because I have yet to see such browsing speeds, even in strong(ish) LTE areas.
I have only the One on Sprint, so I have nothing to test it against, but can Sprint's 3G be that bad? Can verizon's 3G be that good?
Are you guys able to browse comfortably on 3G? Is my device defective?
I have no idea. I just want to be able to use my mobile phone as a mobile phone. As in, able to use the internet outside of my house. It's very frustrating sometimes when I want to look something up and the connection times out.
So, how fast is your browsing experience?

sauprankul said:
Well, I've had this phone for a good 3 months now. I used to have an S2 with H+. I'm not exactly sure how fast 3G(EVDO) is supposed to be, but I'm assuming I should be able to, at the very least, do a Google search. I can barely browse sometimes on LTE, let alone 3G.
Well, today, my buddy showed be a website on his Verizon iPhone 4. It was, at the very least, ten times faster than my browsing experience. It felt as my Wi-fi!
This raises a serious question for me:
Is the HTC One slow? Or is it just Sprint being Sprint? Because I have yet to see such browsing speeds, even in strong(ish) LTE areas.
I have only the One on Sprint, so I have nothing to test it against, but can Sprint's 3G be that bad? Can verizon's 3G be that good?
Are you guys able to browse comfortably on 3G? Is my device defective?
I have no idea. I just want to be able to use my mobile phone as a mobile phone. As in, able to use the internet outside of my house. It's very frustrating sometimes when I want to look something up and the connection times out.
So, how fast is your browsing experience?
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3g maxs out at around 2-3 mbps I'm not sure but this is the limitation of the evdo technology that's is being used. Sprints internet service has been decreasing over the years probably due to their backhaul but as network vision is being applied your data speed rates should be increasing. Verizon has fast 3g because of their network as of now sprint is playing the catch up game but it shouldn't be that long until it's there. If you just want ur mobile phone to work like a mobile phone shouldnt that just be calls?

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3g maxs out at around 2-3 mbps I'm not sure but this is the limitation of the evdo technology that's is being used. Sprints internet service has been decreasing over the years probably due to their backhaul but as network vision is being applied your data speed rates should be increasing. Verizon has fast 3g because of their network as of now sprint is playing the catch up game but it shouldn't be that long until it's there. If you just want ur mobile phone to work like a mobile phone shouldnt that just be calls?
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To the question: No. By mobile, I mean being able to move around. Smartphones are the new definition of mobile phones.
And 2-3 megs on 3g? Ha! That's a good one... I barely get 2 on LTE. I get like 80kbps, if even, on 3G. Is there something wrong with my phone or is it just Sprint?

sauprankul said:
To the question: No. By mobile, I mean being able to move around. Smartphones are the new definition of mobile phones.
And 2-3 megs on 3g? Ha! That's a good one... I barely get 2 on LTE. I get like 80kbps, if even, on 3G. Is there something wrong with my phone or is it just Sprint?
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It's just sprint ... Sprint made a bad call when they invested in wimax while others like Verizon went lte ... Verizon's 3g is pretty fast especially now that a ton of their devices prioritize lte.
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sauprankul said:
To the question: No. By mobile, I mean being able to move around. Smartphones are the new definition of mobile phones.
And 2-3 megs on 3g? Ha! That's a good one... I barely get 2 on LTE. I get like 80kbps, if even, on 3G. Is there something wrong with my phone or is it just Sprint?
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If ur really fedup with sprints 3g u can always SIM unlock and load up a at& or tmobile SIM and use their 3g. Theres also just leaving sprint completely and going to another company

luigi311 said:
If ur really fedup with sprints 3g u can always SIM unlock and load up a at& or tmobile SIM and use their 3g. Theres also just leaving sprint completely and going to another company
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Can I tell Sprint that I'm getting crappy-a$$ speeds and ask for a free contract termination? Or, at least, a discounted ETF?
I don't wanna pay $1000+ for phones I'll have to sell for like <$300 each.

sauprankul said:
To the question: No. By mobile, I mean being able to move around. Smartphones are the new definition of mobile phones.
And 2-3 megs on 3g? Ha! That's a good one... I barely get 2 on LTE. I get like 80kbps, if even, on 3G. Is there something wrong with my phone or is it just Sprint?
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I don't have any problems with 3g or lte. There was problem for a month, or so when they were working on lte towers. Brooklyn, NY. The only thing that I didn't update radios.
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In Manhattan on the other hand speed is not good at all.
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I don't have any problems with 3g or lte. There was problem for a month, or so when they were working on lte towers. Brooklyn, NY. The only thing that I didn't update radios.View attachment 2161342
In Manhattan on the other hand speed is not good at all.
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In absolute disbelief at your 3G speeds. Do you think that the problems around South Bay area are because of Network Vision upgrades and LTE? The Sprint rep told me, when I bought my phone, that we would get LTE by August (this month).
I really like this phone, and Sprints prices are very reasonable. How long do you think before South bay gets a stable 3G network?

sauprankul said:
Can I tell Sprint that I'm getting crappy-a$$ speeds and ask for a free contract termination? Or, at least, a discounted ETF?
I don't wanna pay $1000+ for phones I'll have to sell for like <$300 each.
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Very unlikely you'll get any adjustments towards contract termination. If you happen to get ahold of a sympathetic Care rep, they may be able to reimburse you x amount of dollars per x months, but that's probably going to be about it. They give you 14 days to "try" their network. If you did not cancel within that 14 days, you are stating that you are OK with everything and agree to roll with it for 2 years.
As far as speed issues, I have seen ups and downs as well. I believe ever since the Network Vision expansion, Sprint has devoted less attention to general tower maintenance on the whole and more towards beefing up for future performance. Therefore a local cell site with a capacity issue does not get repaired/upgraded/tweaked as fast as it should, and all of a sudden your phone is pinging towers even further away just to establish data connection, hence the lower speeds and reliability.

sauprankul said:
In absolute disbelief at your 3G speeds. Do you think that the problems around South Bay area are because of Network Vision upgrades and LTE? The Sprint rep told me, when I bought my phone, that we would get LTE by August (this month).
I really like this phone, and Sprints prices are very reasonable. How long do you think before South bay gets a stable 3G network?
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I live in union city and I have ****ty 3g and spotty 4g but I see a bunch of areas lighting up with 4g... The roll out has been slow. I checked the sprint website and if I search for my address it says I have lte in my are which I don't
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Man. I wish I had read up more about Sprint. I would have known about how much of a failure wimax was and would have stayed away.
Well, here I am.
My other concern is: Does anybody have a different brand of phone on Sprint and get better data speeds? I am utterly shocked that data speeds could be so slow in Silicon valley. Its really hard to believe that Sprint is so bad that it barely covers the 680 and 101 here.
Really, the slow speeds limit basic functions like searching and browsing. Forget about streaming and downloading.

sauprankul said:
Man. I wish I had read up more about Sprint. I would have known about how much of a failure wimax was and would have stayed away.
Well, here I am.
My other concern is: Does anybody have a different brand of phone on Sprint and get better data speeds? I am utterly shocked that data speeds could be so slow in Silicon valley. Its really hard to believe that Sprint is so bad that it barely covers the 680 and 101 here.
Really, the slow speeds limit basic functions like searching and browsing. Forget about streaming and downloading.
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I've had almost all devices on sprint and it makes no difference the speed is crap. Only reason I'm still with sprint is because my business pays for it.
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I get about 700kbit download and 600kbit upload on average which is good enough for browsing and video calls but forget about downloading 50+mb apps.As long as texts work all the time and I can roam for free I'm good to go.

Just remembered thanks to that guy mentioning roaming. Apperently people in the past people would flash a Verizon prl that would allow them access to their 3g service by forcing roam. After a while sprint would message them via a letter or something telling them they are excessively roam and their account will be terminated. This was a method that some were using to get out of their sprint contracts without having to pay the etf. Although this is morally indecent so it is up to u to try it. I don't know how the results for u will come out though since u just opened ur account just tossing it out there

Lmao!!! This is the very reason there is a sick of sprint thread. 3g is not usable in most areas. I was with them for 10 years b4 I finally got myself kicked off and went to att. Their data speeds are disappointing. I was never able to stream a YouTube video. I do think that call quality was a little better on sprint tho. I would suggest anybody who wants to use their networks data DO NOT GO WITH SPRINT
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I get about 700kbit download and 600kbit upload on average which is good enough for browsing and video calls but forget about downloading 50+mb apps.As long as texts work all the time and I can roam for free I'm good to go.
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I would kill for this. Maybe 10 days out the the year I get 1500kbits for some reason. The rest of the time? 150kbits down. LTE I usually get about 2. I'm located in a major city along the east coast, 10 miles from the ocean.

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Lmao!!! This is the very reason there is a sick of sprint thread. 3g is not usable in most areas. I was with them for 10 years b4 I finally got myself kicked off and went to att. Their data speeds are disappointing. I was never able to stream a YouTube video. I do think that call quality was a little better on sprint tho. I would suggest anybody who wants to use their networks data DO NOT GO WITH SPRINT
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I'm desperate people. I can't go along with this kind of service. I would be perfectly happy with 2 megs down. I dont need 30 megs down or whatever, and chances are, if Sprint has never really taken the effort to put decent 3G around here, they probably won't with 4G.
So about the roaming thing... Will I really get kicked out without an ETF? I think I can because I technically didn't ask them to kick me off, right? I just ended up accidentally roaming a bit too much. Does anybody have experience with the roaming loophole? Will I be able to keep this phone or what? Will they give me roaming fees? Is Verizon's 3G going to be that much faster?

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I'm desperate people. I can't go along with this kind of service. I would be perfectly happy with 2 megs down. I dont need 30 megs down or whatever, and chances are, if Sprint has never really taken the effort to put decent 3G around here, they probably won't with 4G.
So about the roaming thing... Will I really get kicked out without an ETF? I think I can because I technically didn't ask them to kick me off, right? I just ended up accidentally roaming a bit too much. Does anybody have experience with the roaming loophole? Will I be able to keep this phone or what? Will they give me roaming fees? Is Verizon's 3G going to be that much faster?
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Lol yes sir I just got kicked off July 23rd but I switched to att the day I found out I could. I would just stay with a Verizon prl not like 00003 or something and you have to do it for at least 3 months in a row. I would leave my phone downloaded torrents every night before I go to bed. At least a couple gbs in size. Sprint didn't kick me off right away tho. I did this in December January and February then I eventually gave up BC I didn't think they would boot me. Then in June they sent the letter saying my service would be disconnected ETF FREE!!! So I Porte's my number to att and the rest is history
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Lol yes sir I just got kicked off July 23rd but I switched to att the day I found out I could. I would just stay with a Verizon prl not like 00003 or something and you have to do it for at least 3 months in a row. I would leave my phone downloaded torrents every night before I go to bed. At least a couple gbs in size. Sprint didn't kick me off right away tho. I did this in December January and February then I eventually gave up BC I didn't think they would boot me. Then in June they sent the letter saying my service would be disconnected ETF FREE!!! So I Porte's my number to att and the rest is history
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Seems very doable if I set up a hotspot.
Just to confirm, does anybody else have experience with this? Are there any fees involved? This sounds too good to be true. I've looked this up online, and I see very few people who actually tried this and reported back.
But if I get to keep my phone and sell it and leave Sprint and go to AT&T and not have to worry about fees then I'll definitely do this with no hesitation.

Honestly, it's all about your location.
In areas with no Network Vision upgrades and ancient T1 backhauls, sprint's 3G is going to basically be unusable. While the EVDO towers can easily handle 1.5-2mbit of speed, the backhaul is so clogged that you are lucky to get 128kbps. (.1mbit)
I disabled the 4G Radio in my phone and did several speed tests on EVDO. This was in peak usage time (~1PM). I live in Maryland and I am in the Baltimore market rollout. This is a Network Vision tower, with 4G LTE I am connected to. The backhauls are fully upgraded with fiber. My speeds mostly sat around 1.7-1.8mbit. Enough to stream music on the go, load web pages, stream 360p youtube.
http://imgur.com/a/ygmHN
If you live in an area that is getting a 4G LTE rollout, the 3G speeds will definitely increase - and will probably be equal to those 3G speeds of the other CDMA provider - Verizon.
Then I enabled the 4G radio in my phone, ran another set of sets. About the same time (~1PM.)
http://imgur.com/a/4clVb
My average during peak times is anywhere from 5-9mbit down, with 3-5mbit up. Easily enough to stream HQ Music, HQ Youtube, quickly load web content, and even some HD netflix worked without problem.
During off-peak times, I easily speed test at 15-16mbit down, and 7-8mbit up.
http://imgur.com/a/MJbZc
My favorite has to be off-peak times. After about 11pm, everything is amazing. I can do multiple things online without issues. Tether to my PC, stream music, download files, ect. I've hit 16mbit down pretty easily, and I'm actually pretty far away from the tower. My RSSI is generally about 110-113dBm, which is getting to the edge of usability. I never lose my connection. (75 is right next to the tower, 120 is the edge of the signal.)

Sprint network is horrendous.

Been waiting for the 4g since 2010 and I've had enough. Time to go to T-Mobile.
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thinking about doing the same thing, I'm in Queens and it sucks haha
just worried about building penetration with them, especially in NYC

Yeah I hear you. I got sold on it today at work. One of my guys has been with T-Mobile for years I did a speed test and you see the results. He did it with his Samsung note 3 and got 29 mbps download and close to the same on upload. Frigging amazing. It's faster then my Wi-Fi on comcast at home. Time to make a move. Sad thing is I've been with sprint since 2000. Gonna be weird.
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I have been with Sprint over 10 years now. I don't know how much more I can take either. The network is so unstable in my area. Constant dropped calls, 3G is to the point where even at full signal I have to do toggle airplane mode for it to kinda work sometimes. 4G signal strength is a joke. Tri band is coming very soon but I'm just so so so tired of waiting.

You think your speeds are bad?
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Here are results from my newly upgraded Network Vision Tower not even a mile away from me just down the road.
Sprint 3G with "great signal".
Verizon 3G will usually run faster than 4G Sprint LTE. Even though I'm very close to the tower, it constantly cuts in and out. The speed sucks.
Thank god for Comcast. I know a lot of people hate them but I am very happy with my connection except for netflix congestion which should be fixed soon. I usually am above my rated speed even at peek times.
My tower is absolutely pathetic. They aren't all done but my tower has been borked since July of 2013. Now 3G pretty much doesn't work at all.
The only thing that is nice is I now have an HD Voice tower which does sound awesome when it works when talking to someone else with Sprint on an upgraded tower. That's if it can actually hold a call.
Dan Hesse is still promising a Super 4G network to rival the competition when he did a recent interview on Mad Money seen here.
The build out is taking way too long. I know a new network is not built overnight but it's absolutely awful. It's so bad my local news did a story on it cause so many viewers were calling in wanting them to do a story.
I'm still holding out for Tri-Band is the only hope left, but I just don't know how much more I can take.
At least your guys 3G "works" if you want to call those speeds "working"

I have the same results in maplewod, voice in my house is terrible always getting dropped. I manage to get pretty good 4g in bloomington, but I am not in bloomington that often. perhaps if sprint actually buys t-mobile that will help things along.

drifty999 said:
I have the same results in maplewod, voice in my house is terrible always getting dropped. I manage to get pretty good 4g in bloomington, but I am not in bloomington that often. perhaps if sprint actually buys t-mobile that will help things along.
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A lot of the towers around here are just borked. What I have been reading it's the hand off between new equipment to older legacy equipment. So eventually it should all be replaced but yea pretty much anywhere in the metro it sucks big time. Most of our towers should be getting 800 MHz & 2.5 GHz LTE in the coming months. I will be upgrading to the next HTC in tri-band flavor. We *should* see awesome speeds on the 2.5 GHz band since we were in a wimax market. We will see how the handoffs go between the 3 frequencies. I'm expecting dumped signals & dropped connection but it's suppose to be seamless.

The fastest I got out of Sprint

Here's what I'm looking at
And that's after most of the university students went home for spring break. Usually at 4 AM the speeds skyrocket though I've hit the max that our 3G supports (I probably have insomnia)
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luigi311 said:
Here's what I'm looking at (IMG quote removed)
And that's after most of the university students went home for spring break. Usually at 4 AM the speeds skyrocket though I've hit the max that our 3G supports (I probably have insomnia)
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I don't have any problems for the most part in the north east. Almost always 4g (LTE) and only occasionally does it drop to 3g while driving on highways.
I can stream netflix while driving and it only occasionally has to buffer.

My 2 cents on Sprint Service...

Hello,
Just a FYI, this is NOT a direct rant or rave. I believe these are obvious facts. Just wanted to see peoples thoughts.
I am from New York. I mainly work in the 5 boroughs in NY, Brooklyn, Bronx, Staten Island, Queens, and Manhattan, and I live in Long Island. I have been through the 3G, 4G wimax, and 4G LTE Transition. I have also been through multiple phones. HTC Evo 4G, HTC Evo 4G LTE, HTC One (M7), and HTC One (M8).
Unfortunately when driving around, all the LTE phones dropped back to 3G way too often. I assume this is because some towers have not been LTE upgraded yet, weak spots, and I may be driving past those towers with no LTE.
I gave the M8 a shot and it helped with the Tri-Band Spark (connecting to the 800 mhz spectrum when the 1900 was out of range). I understand Spark roll out isn't complete yet. A prime example is driving around and having Pandora internet radio cut out because the phone loves to swap between 3G and 4G when there is a weak 4G signal. Pandora is NOT critical, it's just the principle of the matter if it cutting out. I will not rave about any other carriers, but let's be honest, there's some carriers out there where you could drive around ALL day long, go inside buildings, etc, and not loose LTE once.
The situation was all too common where I would be in a mall, or large store (such as walmart or sears) trying to look up something in the store on my phone. Not only would it be on 3G but pages would not load. Indoors in a mall or a store I almost never was able to acquire 4G. Only in Spark areas where I would actually hit the 800mhz spectrum.
Also another example. Yankee Stadium in the Bronx which is outdoors, Address 1 E 161st St, Bronx, NY 10451. My friends have different carriers and I wanted to rave about sprint's new Spark service on my HTC M8. Both times I was there I got FULL LTE service, but it was completely unusable. Webpages would not load, speedtests would not work at all, and I was laughed at. Changed phone to CDMA Only mode and webpages actually loaded, but barely. I know it wasn't the phone because LTE worked at home in Long Island with no problem. I had the most up to date software on my phone at the time.
The M8 was my last hurrah with Sprint for now. Here is the main flaw in my book. Spark would need to have strategically picked the frequency band with the best speed, but I guess that's not possible. It's counter productive for my phone to be connecting to a Band 41-2600MHz frequency with weak signal/slow speeds, over a Band 25-1900MHz signal. It's also counter productive for my phone to be connecting to Band 25-1900 MHz spectrum with slow speeds over a Band 26-800mhz with high speeds. I was in a hotel for a few weeks at a time in a Spark enabled area. I was near a window getting LTE Band 25-1900MHz and only pulling about 1.5 mbps. I strategically had to put my phone further into the hotel room away from a window to obtain Band 26-800 mhz which gave me over 10MBPS!
I will miss Sprint. I liked them, they had great customer service, and I may come back in a couple of years when New York / 5 boroughs are fully ready. Network Vision has definitely improved speed and coverage, just not how I expected yet.

tl;dr

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And the world is a better place now because of your wise words. Seriously, there was no point to making such a garbage post. None.
OP, thank you for this. I also live in NYC and have Sprint. I'm due for an upgrade on August 1st and trying to decide what phone to get. I've read things on Sprint's own message boards that suggest that HTC's firmware conflicts with Spark and Sprint and HTC know this. HTC is supposedly working on a fix, but who knows. I really wanted to get this phone but I think I'll look at the G5 or new LG instead. I've read they work much better in NYC. Leaving Sprint isn't an option right now, unfortunately. Thank you again.

BretonGirl said:
And the world is a better place now because of your wise words. Seriously, there was no point to making such a garbage post. None.
OP, thank you for this. I also live in NYC and have Sprint. I'm due for an upgrade on August 1st and trying to decide what phone to get. I've read things on Sprint's own message boards that suggest that HTC's firmware conflicts with Spark and Sprint and HTC know this. HTC is supposedly working on a fix, but who knows. I really wanted to get this phone but I think I'll look at the G5 or new LG instead. I've read they work much better in NYC. Leaving Sprint isn't an option right now, unfortunately. Thank you again.
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Hey BretonGirl,
Thank you for the response! I believe certain areas had an issue with making/receiving phone calls at times (i had the issue) with the M8 when on LTE. However the most recent firmware update fixed that for me.
I hope this post doesn't persuade you go for the S5. Sense blows TouchWiz out of the water! From what I've read the radio is actually better in the M8. I've never had an issue in Manhattan itself due to how saturated it is with cell sites.
Most of the time while driving around my phone kept LTE and bounced off between towers with no problem. Other times it would revert to 3G (I assume when the phone couldn't find an LTE signal at all after it was going out of range).
All in all, I don't believe it was an issue with the M8 itself, but rather the gaps between different LTE sites.
For example, driving from point A to C in a straight line for 3 miles. A, B and C are sprint cell towers. A and C have LTE active, however B does not. Once you get to point B (say 1.5 miles down the road) you loose LTE and revert back to 3G because LTE signal from A and C are both too weak to reach you. It may take your phone *up to* 5 minutes depending on how far through the LTE scan timer your phone is.
As for the LG. I've never used one, but have heard good things Good luck on your pick!

bigblueshock said:
Hello,
Just a FYI, this is NOT a direct rant or rave. I believe these are obvious facts. Just wanted to see peoples thoughts.
I am from New York. I mainly work in the 5 boroughs in NY, Brooklyn, Bronx, Staten Island, Queens, and Manhattan, and I live in Long Island. I have been through the 3G, 4G wimax, and 4G LTE Transition. I have also been through multiple phones. HTC Evo 4G, HTC Evo 4G LTE, HTC One (M7), and HTC One (M8).
Unfortunately when driving around, all the LTE phones dropped back to 3G way too often. I assume this is because some towers have not been LTE upgraded yet, weak spots, and I may be driving past those towers with no LTE.
I gave the M8 a shot and it helped with the Tri-Band Spark (connecting to the 800 mhz spectrum when the 1900 was out of range). I understand Spark roll out isn't complete yet. A prime example is driving around and having Pandora internet radio cut out because the phone loves to swap between 3G and 4G when there is a weak 4G signal. Pandora is NOT critical, it's just the principle of the matter if it cutting out. I will not rave about any other carriers, but let's be honest, there's some carriers out there where you could drive around ALL day long, go inside buildings, etc, and not loose LTE once.
The situation was all too common where I would be in a mall, or large store (such as walmart or sears) trying to look up something in the store on my phone. Not only would it be on 3G but pages would not load. Indoors in a mall or a store I almost never was able to acquire 4G. Only in Spark areas where I would actually hit the 800mhz spectrum.
Also another example. Yankee Stadium in the Bronx which is outdoors, Address 1 E 161st St, Bronx, NY 10451. My friends have different carriers and I wanted to rave about sprint's new Spark service on my HTC M8. Both times I was there I got FULL LTE service, but it was completely unusable. Webpages would not load, speedtests would not work at all, and I was laughed at. Changed phone to CDMA Only mode and webpages actually loaded, but barely. I know it wasn't the phone because LTE worked at home in Long Island with no problem. I had the most up to date software on my phone at the time.
The M8 was my last hurrah with Sprint for now. Here is the main flaw in my book. Spark would need to have strategically picked the frequency band with the best speed, but I guess that's not possible. It's counter productive for my phone to be connecting to a Band 41-2600MHz frequency with weak signal/slow speeds, over a Band 25-1900MHz signal. It's also counter productive for my phone to be connecting to Band 25-1900 MHz spectrum with slow speeds over a Band 26-800mhz with high speeds. I was in a hotel for a few weeks at a time in a Spark enabled area. I was near a window getting LTE Band 25-1900MHz and only pulling about 1.5 mbps. I strategically had to put my phone further into the hotel room away from a window to obtain Band 26-800 mhz which gave me over 10MBPS!
I will miss Sprint. I liked them, they had great customer service, and I may come back in a couple of years when New York / 5 boroughs are fully ready. Network Vision has definitely improved speed and coverage, just not how I expected yet.
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I have to actually agree with a lot of what op is saying. Wimax signal was an absolute joke, not only did they not finish the wimax network the parts that were done you couldn't even drive down the road without the signal dropping. I have had friends leave Sprint after 10+ years of service just because they couldn't take it anymore. The unusable 3G data speed, the dropped calls (which I NEVER had dropped calls with sprint since NV begun). Some have jumped ship, I have stayed. The signal issues have got much better in my area over the last year where but it is still at an embarrassing level at a lot of places. My home tower was broken for oh maybe 6 months. It was SO BAD that my local news station did a story on it for all the people complaining of dropped calls. Most of those issues are now gone and I am finally starting to see actual results such as 800 coverage and I even picked up the new Spark Bad the other day
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If someone wants to leave, I 100% understand why but I am holding out and think the network can get there someday. It's been a very painful road and a lot if it goes back to the Nextel disaster and betting the wrong horse with wimax. I also stream music and you are right it's not critical but when driving around the signal cuts in & out all the time all over it pisses you off. I suggest checking it out in another year so how it's going, I am hanging tough and it has been getting better all the time. HD voice is awesome and Sprint will get the voice network back to what it use to be and I do notice most of my data usage is now 4G over 3G.
You do gotta remember what I try explaining to people is they are rebuilding the network tower by tower, one by one. Imagine if they did road construction on the entire system at the same time it would suck.

You know what, for $25 per month (without managing a big family plan or being managed), I don't complain at all.

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I have to actually agree with a lot of what op is saying. Wimax signal was an absolute joke, not only did they not finish the wimax network the parts that were done you couldn't even drive down the road without the signal dropping. I have had friends leave Sprint after 10+ years of service just because they couldn't take it anymore. The unusable 3G data speed, the dropped calls (which I NEVER had dropped calls with sprint since NV begun). Some have jumped ship, I have stayed. The signal issues have got much better in my area over the last year where but it is still at an embarrassing level at a lot of places. My home tower was broken for oh maybe 6 months. It was SO BAD that my local news station did a story on it for all the people complaining of dropped calls. Most of those issues are now gone and I am finally starting to see actual results such as 800 coverage and I even picked up the new Spark Bad the other day
If someone wants to leave, I 100% understand why but I am holding out and think the network can get there someday. It's been a very painful road and a lot if it goes back to the Nextel disaster and betting the wrong horse with wimax. I also stream music and you are right it's not critical but when driving around the signal cuts in & out all the time all over it pisses you off. I suggest checking it out in another year so how it's going, I am hanging tough and it has been getting better all the time. HD voice is awesome and Sprint will get the voice network back to what it use to be and I do notice most of my data usage is now 4G over 3G.
You do gotta remember what I try explaining to people is they are rebuilding the network tower by tower, one by one. Imagine if they did road construction on the entire system at the same time it would suck.
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Yeah, I would have not minded Sprint skipping wimax from the beginning so they wouldn't be 2 to 3 years behind on LTE. I was even in a WiMax area and still never used it due to how fast it killed the battery.
ljwnow, You must be on the Framily plan or SERO? Yeah definitely cant go wrong with that lol.

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Yeah, I would have not minded Sprint skipping wimax from the beginning so they wouldn't be 2 to 3 years behind on LTE. I was even in a WiMax area and still never used it due to how fast it killed the battery.
ljwnow, You must be on the Framily plan or SERO? Yeah definitely cant go wrong with that lol.
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I remember the 1st time I tried wimax, I pulled just over 10 down was like wow. No other carrier had 4G but yea it just killed the battery. I just don't know what they were thinking with wimax especially put it on a such a high frequency the coverage was absolutely horrendous. Yes I am on SeroP, I use to have the old $30 (plus 25% discount) plan but of course that doesn't work with "smart phones". So that is part of my reason for staying. However there are plenty of people who don't have that plan and are paying much higher rates for crappy service. While Framily is pretty good deal, you give up subsidized phones which rightfully so but if I was a new customer in the market I would overlook sprint at the moment for at least another year. Even when I'm close to a tower on 800 a lot of times I still have a very week signal but you still gotta give it some more time. Overhauling a network tower by tower takes a long time.

ljwnow said:
You know what, for $25 per month (without managing a big family plan or being managed), I don't complain at all.
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SeroP for $25/mo? Do tell.

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SeroP for $25/mo? Do tell.
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Framily plan. Not SERO...
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Framily plan. Not SERO...
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Gotcha. Sim-X answered the question directed at you, which got me confused.
I've been thinking about Framily, but hard to let go of SeroP. My feeling is that if the merger goes through, Sprint will solve my dilemma by making SERO go the way of Premier Gold and all the other good perks.

I've been a Sprint customer for 12 years now. It's been painful and frustrating at times but I believe they have finally gotten their act together and are on the right track.

Kisakuku said:
Gotcha. Sim-X answered the question directed at you, which got me confused.
I've been thinking about Framily, but hard to let go of SeroP. My feeling is that if the merger goes through, Sprint will solve my dilemma by making SERO go the way of Premier Gold and all the other good perks.
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I would never give up SeroP for Framily. Framily would be 25+20 unlimited data with no phone upgrade. SeroP 40+10 with upgrades and don't have to work about keeping framily full. Technically I only get 500 min but n/w starts @ 7 (I use to have 6) but mobile 2 mobile is free (anynetwork) and I also have any pick 6 #'s (landlines) on my account for unlimited. The few land lines I do call anymore I have set into my picks so basically unlimited.
My old plan was 500 Anytime for $30, -$7.50 a month discount. N/W at 6, first incoming min free, unlimited data, sms & picture mail. plus a few bucks in taxes and fees my bill would come out lil over $25 after taxes. All my addons were free except for insurance which I did have for a little bit was $7 a month back in 2009 so about $32 with insurance and taxes but SeroP is still pretty solid especially with being able to get upgrade pricing. I would never give up SeroP. if they got rid of subsidizes phones then you could make a switch to Framily.

Sim-X said:
I would never give up SeroP for Framily. Framily would be 25+20 unlimited data with no phone upgrade. SeroP 40+10 with upgrades and don't have to work about keeping framily full. Technically I only get 500 min but n/w starts @ 7 (I use to have 6) but mobile 2 mobile is free (anynetwork) and I also have any pick 6 #'s (landlines) on my account for unlimited. The few land lines I do call anymore I have set into my picks so basically unlimited.
My old plan was 500 Anytime for $30, -$7.50 a month discount. N/W at 6, first incoming min free, unlimited data, sms & picture mail. plus a few bucks in taxes and fees my bill would come out lil over $25 after taxes. All my addons were free except for insurance which I did have for a little bit was $7 a month back in 2009 so about $32 with insurance and taxes but SeroP is still pretty solid especially with being able to get upgrade pricing. I would never give up SeroP. if they got rid of subsidizes phones then you could make a switch to Framily.
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Fair enough, I was just thinking about options. Also, lucky you for keeping pick 6; guess your SERO account never got audited for additional discounts. I used to have all the good addons on SERO back in 2008.
The thing about upgrade pricing on SERO-P is that since you can only buy handsets from Sprint Online or corporate stores, you miss out on all the crazy discounts and rebates that places like BB have. That's easily $100+ extra every upgrade cycle.

Kisakuku said:
Fair enough, I was just thinking about options. Also, lucky you for keeping pick 6; guess your SERO account never got audited for additional discounts. I used to have all the good addons on SERO back in 2008.
The thing about upgrade pricing on SERO-P is that since you can only buy handsets from Sprint Online or corporate stores, you miss out on all the crazy discounts and rebates that places like BB have. That's easily $100+ extra every upgrade cycle.
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Yea you can certainly miss some deals. I use to like going to best buy back in the day when Sprint did mail in rebates and BB was instant. I can't stand going to the Sprint store. I refuse to go there unless it's for a warranty swap only. So I like to order directly from Sprint anyway and since I get my phones on release day there really isn't any deals anyway and ordering direct from Sprint it shows up usually earlier than sometimes even the stores get them. I don't want some knuckle head at the store touching my phones anyway. I'm sure a lot of customers need the help but certainly not me. Going to the store is just painful. So even if I had the choice to use a 3rd party I wouldn't anyway unless they had some exclusive.
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BretonGirl said:
I've been a Sprint customer for 12 years now. It's been painful and frustrating at times but I believe they have finally gotten their act together and are on the right track.
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I've been w/sprint almost as long. It's been a pain in the a&@ . I have to agree service is becoming very acceptable. HD voice is not bad either.
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63sammo1 said:
I've been w/sprint almost as long. It's been a pain in the a&@ . I have to agree service is becoming very acceptable. HD voice is not bad either.
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HD Voice is awesome, especially with the new update I like how it shows the icon. Even was working with an iphone 5S. I'm hoping HD Voice will work carrier to carrier some time in the future. It it getting much better, one year ago it was an absolute mess. I remember when they announced it with the evoLTE, it did take a really long time for them to upgrade the network. I never got to use HD voice on the evoLTE and really I hardly got to use LTE on that phone either. M7 used 4G a lot more, a little of HD voice and now the m8 with tri-band prefers LTE over anything else. Only thing I don't like about the M8 is it will prefer a very week LTE signal over a strong 3G signal and since it switches back to 1X to take a voice call when you are on wifi I wish it would prefer the 3G signal to save battery. I know you can manually change it, but it's kinda a pain.

After 10 years I gave up on Sprint last weekend. I got tired of just about everything that is sprint. The waiting for the network to come on line while paying the cost of a fully functional network. The lies about plans from sprint employees that remind me of used car salesmen. And so on and so on. I switched to T-Mobile and can finally get a chance to be on a network that works... And very well. It's also a much better experience with the m8 on T-Mobile as well.
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LTE works for me pretty well but whenever my phone switches to 3G it's complete **** or really ****ing slow.
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tommason1968 said:
I switched to T-Mobile and can finally get a chance to be on a network that works...
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Just wait until the S-Mobile merger.