Singaporeans N4 Thread - Nexus 4 General

This is a thread for all singaporeans n4 owners!

Fellow Singaporeans,
Some context: previously on the Circle Line was only getting 3 to 4 Mbps with 150+ms ping on Singtel's network. Upload speeds were awful.
As we all know, our n4 supports DC HSPA up to 42.2Mbps
As an experiment, I added the following lines to my build.prop (must be rooted)
ro.ril.hsxpa=2
ro.ril.gprsclass=12
ro.ril.hsdpa.category=24
ro.ril.hsupa.category=7
Rebooted for it to take effect, today on the train got much better results. See the screenshots.
Worth a try if you are on Starhub or Singtel.
EDIT: No idea why speedtest says server is Batam
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raptor22 said:
Fellow Singaporeans,
Some context: previously on the Circle Line was only getting 3 to 4 Mbps with 150+ms ping on Singtel's network. Upload speeds were awful.
As we all know, our n4 supports DC HSPA up to 42.2Mbps
As an experiment, I added the following lines to my build.prop (must be rooted)
ro.ril.hsxpa=2
ro.ril.gprsclass=12
ro.ril.hsdpa.category=24
ro.ril.hsupa.category=7
Rebooted for it to take effect, today on the train got much better results. See the screenshots.
Worth a try if you are on Starhub or Singtel.
EDIT: No idea why speedtest says server is Batam
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You can manually select a server in settings
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but u ran speed test when on the train? on wireless?? which wireless did u manage to hook on man/.

u guys got ant palce to buy bumpers of slim cases too? am looking for one

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Tmobile 7.2hspa is up and running!! 2Megs!!

in dallas fort worth, texas
http://tinypic.com/r/2ut2e8p/4
is that kilobits or bytes...cause if its bits (like it says on the bottom) its not 7.2
B-man007 said:
is that kilobits or bytes...cause if its bits (like it says on the bottom) its not 7.2
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It's kilobits.. that score is under 2meg.
yea i did a retest using a different server. theres a newer screenshot up. 2megs!!
lol...if it was 7.2..... it would say 7.2 on that speed test lol
and the link you updated is not up
damnit image shack!!
ok try now. new link
7.2 isnt the transfer rate. its the network size. transfer rate will never be at 7megs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access
hmm... 7meg transfer rates?? im sooo out of date. maybe tmobile capped it???
ok just used mobilespeedtest.com and did the 3meg test and resulted with 4082kbps. im not liking this speedtest.net app.
use xtreme labs speedtest
and 7.2 transfer rates are possible but due to network traffic, it will probably be much less.
what did you get before?
Se7eN43 said:
hmm... 7meg transfer rates?? im sooo out of date. maybe tmobile capped it???
ok just used mobilespeedtest.com and did the 3meg test and resulted with 4082kbps. im not liking this speedtest.net app.
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mobilespeedtest has alrdy been proven to be false and misleading.
and 2meg is actaully pretty normal depending on ur area.
B-man007 said:
use xtreme labs speedtest
and 7.2 transfer rates are possible but due to network traffic, it will probably be much less.
what did you get before?
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the xtreme app will only work once then i have to reboot. but with it i do get 400-500kbps down. same as when 3g first rolled out. signal stregth at my house is not all that good. so to see 2megs down after my 3g signal dropped for about 30mins alerted me to what tmobile was up to.
I get 751Kbit/s down and 151Kbit/s up in downtown Seattle area.
Since T-Mobile US is headquartered about 20 minutes from here, I call BS on them upgrading the speed, as I'd think they would do it near HQ first.

Build.prop settings for HSPA+ cities-necessary with Froyo?

Tmo here in Orlando and HSPA+ switch is on, however, I can HSDPA speeds of 3-5mbps which is great! My HSUPA speeds seem capped around .58-.68mbps though, not the 1.2+mbps that others are seeing. Do you guys have settings or extra code lines set in /system/build.prop file?
I had:
HSXPA=1 or 2 doesn't make a difference
gprscategory=12 or 10 no difference
HSDPA=8 highest the N1 is capable of
HSUPA=4, 5 or 6 no diff, still .58-.68 upload speeds
Have any of you guys modified the build.prop file with HSPA+? Is it needed at all?
I've been getting 1.3Mbps upload consistently in NYC since January using both stock and modded Cyanogen ROMs, including FroYo when I was testing a few weeks ago.
allen099 said:
I've been getting 1.3Mbps upload consistently in NYC since January using both stock and modded Cyanogen ROMs, including FroYo when I was testing a few weeks ago.
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Can you check your /system/build.prop file and see if there are any entries for ro.ril.hsupa=? ???
mtw4991 said:
Can you check your /system/build.prop file and see if there are any entries for ro.ril.hsupa=? ???
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Yeah I'm 10 minutes outside of NYC and get nowhere near that speed.
my opinion, you can not "tap" into a network that isn't available in your area.
So trying to set your prop to any settings for a faster network, is time wasted.
Mikey1022 said:
my opinion, you can not "tap" into a network that isn't available in your area.
So trying to set your prop to any settings for a faster network, is time wasted.
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Your opinion doesn't mean anything, because not only is it an obvious fact you can't use a network that isn't there, but he said that Orlando DOES have the HSPA+.
codito said:
Your opinion doesn't mean anything, because not only is it an obvious fact you can't use a network that isn't there, but he said that Orlando DOES have the HSPA+.
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Thanks for correcting my mistake
The local network appears to be capped at .6Mbps for you, something you'll have to take up with your local engineers. They'll probably increase upload soon, if they will at all.
I've found you don't have to edit the build prop when using any stock ROM. Only when using cyanogen do I lose hsupa, then I have to fix my build prop.
For example, on stock 2.1 and 2.2 froyo, I get 1.5 mbps upload. As soon as I load any cyanogen ROM, my upload immediately gets capped at 384 kbps. I edit build prop to set hsxpa=2 and instantly my upload goes right up to 1.5 mbps again.
And this makes sense, because Google is selling a 7.2 mbps down / 2.0 mbps up phone, right? So they have the maximum hsupa setting by default. Setting it to anything less makes no sense because the phone will always connect to The fastest connection available in any given location. There's on reason to ever set hsxpa less than 2 in the build prop file, cause that just artificially lowers your connection. I've always wondered why cyanogen ROM had this set like that. Never made any sense.
The exact same thing is happening to me in Lancaster, CA. I get 150-200kbps down on edge and for the last few day on 3g I'm only getting 50kbps down... on top of my gps not working and noone knowing a fix I'm starting to wish I had bought an iPhone...
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I suggest you try eViL D FroYo ROM. It comes with the build.prop tweak. With stock Froyo you need to add it on. Not sure if it makes a difference, I didn't notice any when I did it. But you got nothing to lose if you try.
mtw4991 said:
Tmo here in Orlando and HSPA+ switch is on, however, I can HSDPA speeds of 3-5mbps which is great! My HSUPA speeds seem capped around .58-.68mbps though, not the 1.2+mbps that others are seeing. Do you guys have settings or extra code lines set in /system/build.prop file?
I had:
HSXPA=1 or 2 doesn't make a difference
gprscategory=12 or 10 no difference
HSDPA=8 highest the N1 is capable of
HSUPA=4, 5 or 6 no diff, still .58-.68 upload speeds
Have any of you guys modified the build.prop file with HSPA+? Is it needed at all?
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rhjay what speed do u oc to for those high ass mflops...
I am in orlando and notice that the download speeds are much better than upload speeds when considering what others are getting.
I think it might just be our area

DL/UL Speeds?

I'm getting download speeds anywhere from 57kbps to 126kbps on average...
I'm getting upload speeds anywhere from 578kbps to 814kbps...
Is this normal? Is there something wrong with the towers in my area? Because I get similar speeds on other android devices (including samsung moment, and other htc hero handsets).
What speeds are you getting on average? Please, let me know if you think there is a problem with the towers in my area... Or if I should call Sprint? Thanks
devonkosa said:
I'm getting download speeds anywhere from 57kbps to 126kbps on average...
I'm getting upload speeds anywhere from 578kbps to 814kbps...
Is this normal? Is there something wrong with the towers in my area? Because I get similar speeds on other android devices (including samsung moment, and other htc hero handsets).
What speeds are you getting on average? Please, let me know if you think there is a problem with the towers in my area... Or if I should call Sprint? Thanks
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that seems backwards, what are you using to test your speed? i just tested mine and i get 1191kbps down and 119kbps up. (thats cellsouth)
ngholson said:
that seems backwards, what are you using to test your speed? i just tested mine and i get 1191kbps down and 119kbps up. (thats cellsouth)
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Thats what I said! But, I have Sprint. And, I'm using the speedtest.net app.
Mine are backwards too! Uploads are way faster than downloads, using speed test, my location Houston TX, downloads 641-uploads964. A bit backwards, lol.
Just tested mine. Download is 2176 and upload is 978
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just ran mine and i am downloading at 1154 kbps and uploading at 401 kbps... in Miami

[THREAD CLOSED] SpeedTests, Benchmarks (AnTuTu, OpenGL..)

Not much going on in GT-i9305 section so let see what this phone can really do...
All kinds of Speed Tests, Benchmarks and Battery Stats are welcome
Network: 3G or 4G???
Just wondering how it goes on DC-HSPA+??? Here in UK, Three is fastest so far... I'm getting speeds 15-25Mbps DL / up to 4.5Mbps UL in many places!! Who need expensive LTE with crazy data capping (500MB - £36/pm) and speeds 10-20Mbps... Joke...
To check what kind of 3G connection you have while testing:
1: dial *#0011# (phone will go in to Service Mode)
2: press home button
3: open and run SpeedTest
4: press&hold home button and switch back to Service Mode...
5: on the bottom of screen look for "DC_HSPA+ : 1(enabled) 0(disabled)"
Battery:
Many people reported bad battery life but I'm very happy with it so I'll share some of my tricks how to get more juice....
My current set up: Pandoriam ROM v6.6, latest Perseus Kernel: no UV, no OC, no tweaks, Modem: BUALI6, Network: 3UK (DC-HSPA)
1. Custom ROM & kernel is recommended but NOT essential (most of them includes battery tweaks also they bloat free)
2. Install BBS and check what's drinking your juice... Some of apps are heavy drinkers (Facebook, Twitter etc....) so keep eye on battery after you install new app(s). Don't use Juice Defender, it makes things worse.
3. Disable Google Now & Locations (main juice drinker)
4. Install "Fast Dormancy Toggle" from Play Store and disable it. It safe to use. If you don't use 4g, change Network Mode to WCDMA only. BTW bad signal reception draining more juice as well.
5. Keep screen brightness on manual, as low as possible... obviously
6. Use inverted apps and dark wallpaper if possible, stay away from live wallpapers...
7. Only If you know what you doing, install app called" NoBloat Free" or any other similar app and disable/freeze unimportant processes draining your battery. (Exchange and Samsung Push Services are heavy drinkers)
8. AutoSync & NFC - OFF!!
9. Use Original Samsung 1A charger, don't use your laptop to charge phone....
10. Keep WiFi ON only if you need it. To make things easy, in Advanced WiFi settings, we have WiFi Timer. (can be used to keep it ON/OFF automatically, through the night for example)
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Nice one!! Where are you based mate?? Fast 4G but I've asked for 3G on DC-HSPA+...
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Realised my mistake as I posted. Sorry dude.
I think that that test was as I passed through Brisbane, Oz.
The Thunder Down Under - (more like lighning)
This was me at drinks on Friday on the outskirts of town, Brisbane Australia on Telstra 4G network. I took about 4 tests and this was the average one.
Samsung Galaxy SIII - I1905T
Another reason to come Down Under....
jemichae said:
Realised my mistake as I posted. Sorry dude.
I think that that test was as I passed through Brisbane, Oz.
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No worries mate. Awesome speed!!! Here in UK You won't get even half of it on 4G!! That's why we're using DC HSPA+, it goes up to 20Mbps and you can have Unlimited data for £15.90 /pm!!!!!
I'm going to change the Thread Title to "Post your Speed Tests, Benchmarks, Battery Stats...."
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Pandoriam v2.0, No OC&UV....
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Yea 4G in London is terrible, I know. I popped in to the EE store the other day to test out the speed. THEY DIDNT HAVE the speedtest.net app. I was like so how are we to test what 4G speeds we are getting? The assistant replied with a really condescending tone "I'm pretty sure such geeky app wont be needed for the average consumer". I replied, "So why do broadband suppliers advertise "Xmb broadband"? SO obviously people would want to know how fast their internet would be." fruking donut.
My mate was driving Through Auburn Sydney, And he got 75Mbps Down... I am based in Sydneys southwest On the edge of 4G & 3G+ coverage I average around 15mbps So
All I can Say is Telstra 4G kills it ay! haha Cant wait till they upgrade the coverage soon we may have all areas with this crazy speed
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Can you guys please turn off lte and do a speed test in h+, like the OP asked?
Badelhas said:
Can you guys please turn off lte and do a speed test in h+, like the OP asked?
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Exactly!!! We all know how fast 4G can be... Huge Speeds except UK....
Here the DC-HSPA+ is faster in many places and that's why I've asked for 3G tests... Just being curious....
How's your battery life???? I'm very pleased!!!
Much better than my old SGS2...
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the problem with the H+ test is know one knows if they are on the high DC type H+ or the normal H+ it doesnt differentiate , so theres no point someone will post H+ when you think its DC it may be only plain old H+
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I was on H+ and i got 10mbps Down but there is no way this was the HIgher H+...
btemtd said:
the problem with the H+ test is know one knows if they are on the high DC type H+ or the normal H+ it doesnt differentiate , so theres no point someone will post H+ when you think its DC it may be only plain old H+
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I was on H+ and i got 10mbps Down but there is no way this was the HIgher H+...
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It's easy to check that, just press *#0011#
ok and what am i supposed to be seeing there to know its on the higher H+ ? I can see the first line changing regulary RCC: DCH for about 4 seconds and then it went back to RCC: FACH for another 5seconds and I can now only see the 3G symbol and its sitting on RRC: UPCH I definately am not in a good area to test anyway so I guess ill play around when im out and about. Ill compare it with. But yeh like I said you can be in a middle of a test and it could of changed how would you know unless you have 2 screens one showing you exaclty what your on whilst your doing a speedtest
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ok and what am i supposed to be seeing there to know its on the higher H+ ? I can see the first line changing regulary RCC: DCH for about 4 seconds and then it went back to RCC: FACH for another 5seconds and I can now only see the 3G symbol and its sitting on RRC: UPCH I definately am not in a good area to test anyway so I guess ill play around when im out and about. Ill compare it with. But yeh like I said you can be in a middle of a test and it could of changed how would you know unless you have 2 screens one showing you exaclty what your on whilst your doing a speedtest
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This settings are confusing to me as well... My tests are based on Coverage Checker from 3UK...
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btemtd said:
ok and what am i supposed to be seeing there to know its on the higher H+ ? I can see the first line changing regulary RCC: DCH for about 4 seconds and then it went back to RCC: FACH for another 5seconds and I can now only see the 3G symbol and its sitting on RRC: UPCH I definately am not in a good area to test anyway so I guess ill play around when im out and about. Ill compare it with. But yeh like I said you can be in a middle of a test and it could of changed how would you know unless you have 2 screens one showing you exaclty what your on whilst your doing a speedtest
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What is you Carrier? I´m on vodafone Portugal, they advirtise as being the only Carrier with 42Mbits DC HSPA but they seem to have that inconsistence with FACH and DCH as well. By the way, I looked it up, those are 2 types of HSPA+ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Resource_Control)
btemtd said:
ok and what am i supposed to be seeing there to know its on the higher H+ ? I can see the first line changing regulary RCC: DCH for about 4 seconds and then it went back to RCC: FACH for another 5seconds and I can now only see the 3G symbol and its sitting on RRC: UPCH I definately am not in a good area to test anyway so I guess ill play around when im out and about. Ill compare it with. But yeh like I said you can be in a middle of a test and it could of changed how would you know unless you have 2 screens one showing you exaclty what your on whilst your doing a speedtest
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I've checked and look at screenshots. One is while downloading (Speed Test running in background) the second just connected (steady CPCH). On the bottom we have active connections... you can see 0 or 1 next to type of connection.
Now it's easy to check.
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I am on Telstra Australia.. Well that makes sense As my phone was idle And i was staring at the screen. So I guess If i did a speedtest those mode will change.
But still It doesnt rectify the fact that while someone is doing a speedtest we do not know exactly what connection we are on as Carriers who offer DC also have Normal Hspa+ aswell and if in the wrong area it may switch modes while doing the test without even knowing
As that DC_HSPA will change to normal HSPA if you are not in the correct area, when I had that screen on i did not see DC_HSPA I only saw HSPA+
Edit : You see mine was changing from DC_HSPA to HSPA from one moment to another like I said you would have to be in a STRONG DC area to really test DC speeds
btemtd said:
I am on Telstra Australia.. Well that makes sense As my phone was idle And i was staring at the screen. So I guess If i did a speedtest those mode will change.
But still It doesnt rectify the fact that while someone is doing a speedtest we do not know exactly what connection we are on as Carriers who offer DC also have Normal Hspa+ aswell and if in the wrong area it may switch modes while doing the test without even knowing
As that DC_HSPA will change to normal HSPA if you are not in the correct area, when I had that screen on i did not see DC_HSPA I only saw HSPA+
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You're right and wrong bro. Look at my post above yours......
Run Speed Test and just switch to test mode. You can see live info. Easy to detect..
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Wireless connectivity speed issue

Hey guys, just got my note 8 after not having owned an Android since the SGS6 Edge and I'm noticing that my LTE and Wifi speeds are quite slow. I also own an iPhone X (business phone, please don't hate me) and on that I get well over 100mbps download on LTE and on wifi I get on average 70-90mbps download speeds. However after running speed tests on my note I'm only able to achieve 15mpbs or less on LTE and 40mbps or less on wifi. BTW I have an unlocked N8 direct from Samsung and I'm running on AT&T network.
Also I've done a fairly thorough search for answers already befofe making this post and yielded no helpful results. I'm not new to xda by any means so if there's a thread I've missed then please just direct me to it. Not my intent to create a duplicate post.
Thanks all
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Pure+ said:
Hey guys, just got my note 8 after not having owned an Android since the SGS6 Edge and I'm noticing that my LTE and Wifi speeds are quite slow. I also own an iPhone X (business phone, please don't hate me) and on that I get well over 100mbps download on LTE and on wifi I get on average 70-90mbps download speeds. However after running speed tests on my note I'm only able to achieve 15mpbs or less on LTE and 40mbps or less on wifi. BTW I have an unlocked N8 direct from Samsung and I'm running on AT&T network.
Also I've done a fairly thorough search for answers already befofe making this post and yielded no helpful results. I'm not new to xda by any means so if there's a thread I've missed then please just direct me to it. Not my intent to create a duplicate post.
Thanks all
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Well I hate you already for owning an iphone x ha jk. Hugs for iphone people. Yeah that's a big difference. We appreciate you doing research before posting. Now you said searched for answers and no success. What have you tried so we don't suggest duplicate answers? I got few suggestions and links. I am sure others do as well.
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Well I hate you already for owning an iphone x ha jk. Hugs for iphone people. Yeah that's a big difference. We appreciate you doing research before posting. Now you said searched for answers and no success. What have you tried so we don't suggest duplicate answers? I got few suggestions and links. I am sure others do as well.
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At this point I've reset the default apn profile in settings and looked around the settings for anything else that might be useful but that was all I could find. Still no luck increasing data speeds however.
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If you use the same wi-fi and your Note 8 download speed is lower than iPhone's X it means that either Note 8 connections are slower or there is an issue with your device.
Do you have any other Android devices to test with the same wifi network? If the other Android phone downloads at speeds similar to iPhone X's one, than there is an issue with your Note 8.
Did you get or was there a need to have the IMEI number of your unlocked device provisioned for use on the att network? In respect of LTE speeds.
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I'm not sure about IOS, but on android background apps can kill your speed scores. Try closing all apps and try again. I can go from 300mb down to 97mb with apps running in the background. Just using the recent apps->close all should suffice.
Pure+ said:
At this point I've reset the default apn profile in settings and looked around the settings for anything else that might be useful but that was all I could find. Still no luck increasing data speeds however.
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This is without case on note 8?
RossTeagan said:
If you use the same wi-fi and your Note 8 download speed is lower than iPhone's X it means that either Note 8 connections are slower or there is an issue with your device.
Do you have any other Android devices to test with the same wifi network? If the other Android phone downloads at speeds similar to iPhone X's one, than there is an issue with your Note 8.
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The wifi seems to have sorted itself out so that issue is no longer existent.
Limeybastard said:
Did you get or was there a need to have the IMEI number of your unlocked device provisioned for use on the att network? In respect of LTE speeds.
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This may be, I'll have to call into att and see about that.
Gizmoe said:
I'm not sure about IOS, but on android background apps can kill your speed scores. Try closing all apps and try again. I can go from 300mb down to 97mb with apps running in the background. Just using the recent apps->close all should suffice.
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I have a bad habit of closing out all my apps when I'm not using them anyway, I know a lot of people swear this can cause more battery drain but my OCD doesn't like having so many apps in the switcher.. [emoji28]
Nick216ohio said:
This is without case on note 8?
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Yes and no. When I first was using my phone yesterday I didn't have my case yet, but I now have the Samsung alcantara case. On or off doesn't seem to affect the results however
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RossTeagan said:
If you use the same wi-fi and your Note 8 download speed is lower than iPhone's X it means that either Note 8 connections are slower or there is an issue with your device.
Do you have any other Android devices to test with the same wifi network? If the other Android phone downloads at speeds similar to iPhone X's one, than there is an issue with your Note 8.
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Also, no I do not have any other Android devices unfortunately. Note 8 is the only one
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Pure+ said:
Also, no I do not have any other Android devices unfortunately. Note 8 is the only one
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What app you using to test? My cuz has same phone and provider. Was getting crap results on 1 not so non app.
Nick216ohio said:
What app you using to test? My cuz has same phone and provider. Was getting crap results on 1 not so non app.
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Speedtest.net app
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