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Meaning the ergonomics, if you will, of having to reach to the top of the device for so many system and app functions.
The design makes no sense to me.
If most of us hold devices with our thumbs at the bottom of the device,why aren't most all features functions and controls positioned at the bottom?
Compared to my Galaxy Note...this is a relative pain to use.
It's a 7" tablet not a phone...what do you expect?
Just grow extra long thumbs... chicks dig it.
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Just grow extra long thumbs... chicks dig it.
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This ^
The problem is we DON'T have a tablet JB UI. What we have stock, is a PHONE JB UI, the (almost) same one as Galaxy Nexus. People have been rooting to change (lower) the LCD density, which forces the N7 to give us the table UI. See this
This is stupid on Google's end. They should have given us the tablet UI out of the box. We want a TABLET! Not a 7" phone that doesn't make phone calls!
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The problem is we DON'T have a tablet JB UI. What we have stock, is a PHONE JB UI, the (almost) same one as Galaxy Nexus. People have been rooting to change (lower) the LCD density, which forces the N7 to give us the table UI.
This is stupid on Google's end. They should have given us the tablet UI out of the box. We don't want a 7" phone that doesn't make phone calls!
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Why do people keep saying this, or at the least stating it this way?
Only the launcher is in this phone-type mode. The apps remain the same as their tablet counterparts.
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Meaning the ergonomics, if you will, of having to reach to the top of the device for so many system and app functions.
The design makes no sense to me.
If most of us hold devices with our thumbs at the bottom of the device,why aren't most all features functions and controls positioned at the bottom?
Compared to my Galaxy Note...this is a relative pain to use.
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Tablets are typically meant to be held with one hand, and operated with the other. I'm not quite sure what you mean entirely, but you are not supposed to operate a tablet device using solely your thumbs.
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Why do people keep saying this, or at the least stating it this way?
Only the launcher is in this phone-type mode. The apps remain the same as their tablet counterparts.
Tablets are typically meant to be held with one hand, and operated with the other. I'm not quite sure what you mean entirely, but you are not supposed to operate a tablet device using solely your thumbs.
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This.
On a 7 inch "tablet", use of portrait mode is much more common. As such, the presentation of the phone UI probably made more sense for Google, as opposed to the tablet UI.
Regardless, devs are hard at work to let you use the tablet UI without changing the DPI.
The launcher isn't exactly the phone style, either. The Android people are calling it the hybrid UI. Basically, you can't just use the same UI you would use on a 10" tablet in a 7" tablet.
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Why do people keep saying this, or at the least stating it this way?
Only the launcher is in this phone-type mode. The apps remain the same as their tablet counterparts.
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It's not just the launcher. The notification area, and the layout of the Setting page, are different in the tablet mode.
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The launcher isn't exactly the phone style, either. The Android people are calling it the hybrid UI. Basically, you can't just use the same UI you would use on a 10" tablet in a 7" tablet.
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I, for one, much much rather use the UI for a 10" than this hybrid UI for my N7.
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It's not just the launcher. The notification area, and the layout of the Setting page, are different in the tablet mode.
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I know, I should have specified this as well.
Though, it is just starting to annoy me that people keep calling the Nexus 7 a giant phone of sorts, when the apps you download from the market are the same exact tablet apps you will be getting on larger devices. As long as developers recognize 7" as a tablet device - you will not be getting the layout of a phone app on the Nexus 7. Calling it a giant phone is not a correct way to describe this, and is an obvious dramatization of this entire setup.
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Why do people keep saying this, or at the least stating it this way?
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Indeed.
I personally love the "Hybrid" UI I feel like it works and looks great. Wouldent change anything other then adding Nova Launcher for Landscape when I need it on the homescreen
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I personally love the "Hybrid" UI I feel like it works and looks great. Wouldent change anything other then adding Nova Launcher for Landscape when I need it on the homescreen
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Same, although the stock launcher is much better IMHO then nova.
When nova merges all the jellybean changes I will switch back
The only thing that bugs me about the N7 is landscape is really wonky having the buttons in the center.
It would be awesome if you flipped to landscape it turned into the 10" ui
The apps don't always remain the same as the tablet counter part. See screenshot of our Play Store app after forcing N7 to tablet mode.
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Though, it is just starting to annoy me that people keep calling the Nexus 7 a giant phone of sorts, when the apps you download from the market are the same exact tablet apps you will be getting on larger devices.
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It was only excusable before the Hybrid UI's features were announced. I actually had the largest thread regarding the "phone" UI. Now that I have a Nexus 7, I'm all for Hybrid UI. It just feels right.
Tablet ui is great.
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Does the tablet automatically switch to tablet ui if the dpi is set to like 160?
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Does the tablet automatically switch to tablet ui if the dpi is set to like 160?
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Short answer: YES
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1749501
I use the keyboard a LOT....so end up using in portrait much more than landscape because it's much easier to use the keyboard from there. ALL of the Google apps and MANY other apps have their menu/settings icon is at the top right of the device.
If I'm lead designer?....everything is at the bottom.
I guess I'm banking on ParanoidAndroid porting over.... Allows a bit of app to app customization of this stuff
I'm amazed that when in landscape the buttons don't stick to the right hand side like they do on the GNex, it's a terrible waste of real estate.
Do you guys have any ideas if a hack will be possible to achieve this? (Given it's the case with the GNex it can't be that hard I guess?)
Should be renamed to "Soft buttons minor annoyance"
Well you say that, I think I'm going to be DSR'ing the tablet due to it.
Eventually developers will make the Nav bar hideable and most likely moveable and smaller via dpi changes like on the Galaxy Nexus. You might want to give custom ROMs a chance to mature before returning the N7.
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Well you say that, I think I'm going to be DSR'ing the tablet due to it.
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Do it, you obviously did not buy this to customize it to your liking. Get an ipad
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Get an ipad
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ROFL, is that the ultimate insult on these forums
I don't want an iPad, just an option to anchor the soft button area.
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ROFL, is that the ultimate insult on these forums
I don't want an iPad, just an option to anchor the soft button area.
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It's coming!
I believe modacos rom will be putting it like that real soon
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its done for a reason.
the majority of newer phones are launching with the 1280x720 resolution with hard keys, and as a result, app devs are designing apps for 1280x720 resolution. our resolution is 1280x800, so what google does is rotate the keys so it uses the bottom 80 rows of pixels, leaving the rendering area at 1280x720 for games and apps. this way, we still get games and apps at full resolution, whereas with devices that keep the soft keys in the same place, the resolution gets cut down to 1196x720, and then games get shrunk to either 1196x720 or 1196x672 with black bars.
i personally have no problem with it at the moment, but ive only had my device for a few hours of play time. ideally, i'd like it relocated to the top so i dont hit it when im playing games, but tis a minor gripe.
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I believe modacos rom will be putting it like that real soon
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Yes indeed
Great stuff, thanks for the heads up on the rom, I'll check it out
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ROFL, is that the ultimate insult on these forums
I don't want an iPad, just an option to anchor the soft button area.
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Haha I guess it is. Well it looks like modaco has you covered.
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Souai said:
its done for a reason.
the majority of newer phones are launching with the 1280x720 resolution with hard keys, and as a result, app devs are designing apps for 1280x720 resolution. our resolution is 1280x800, so what google does is rotate the keys so it uses the bottom 80 rows of pixels, leaving the rendering area at 1280x720 for games and apps. this way, we still get games and apps at full resolution, whereas with devices that keep the soft keys in the same place, the resolution gets cut down to 1196x720, and then games get shrunk to either 1196x720 or 1196x672 with black bars.
i personally have no problem with it at the moment, but ive only had my device for a few hours of play time. ideally, i'd like it relocated to the top so i dont hit it when im playing games, but tis a minor gripe.
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Android doesn't work like that. Games do not have a fixed aspect ratio.
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Haha I guess it is. Well it looks like modaco has you covered.
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Yep, one of many reasons why I wouldn't buy an iPad, I felt a custom mod would fix this and indeed it did
So both the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 have dynamic capacitive buttons instead of actual physical buttons. I was actually under the impression that this black bar was a separate capacitive display from the main display. Now that I actually see a Nexus 7 in person, this black bar appears to be just a part of the screen.
So am I actually getting 1280 pixels?
If you have root, you can try GMD HideBar XDA.
And GMD GestureControl also supports Nexus7.
These are just root apps, not system mods.
So part of the 7" 1280x800 screen is being used by the controls... I guess except for videos and pictures.
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So part of the 7" 1280x800 screen is being used by the controls... I guess except for videos and pictures.
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Correct, apps can go full screen, like the default video player, but most don't which is very annoying playing games in landscape mode.
Just to follow up I've now enabled tablet UI (160 DPI) on the N7 and I think that deals with my issues with the softkeys, I will try a mod to anchor them to the right in landscape mod when a free one comes out.
We need a mod. A mod like the CM7 tablet settings, where you have the option to select "Softkeys Left, Right, etc". CM7 also options which softkeys you want, and in what order. Without changing dpi. That would be tits
Any chance some enterprising dev could get this running on our nexus 7's
http://phandroid.com/2012/10/05/sam...te-brings-awesome-multi-window-feature-video/http://phandroid.com/2012/10/05/sam...te-brings-awesome-multi-window-feature-video/
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That would be cool if they could, but I'm guessing this is deeply integrated into Touch wiz.
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Umm .. *cough* *cough* Cornerstone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX8w3UZIjkc
It's open source. Roman made an ICS/AOKP/Cornerstone build a long time ago ... felt it was too buggy to continue.
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AOKP got this request recently.
Seems a Cornerstone build would be the only way out...which is unlikely.
I'm fully aware this would probably be quite difficult to port, and likely quite time consuming.
Having said that, I also want this. It makes so much more sense on a 7 inch tablet then a 5 inch whatever.
This works with a handful of Google Apps, no other apps. I don't see the point.
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This works with a handful of Google Apps, no other apps. I don't see the point.
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Running 2 apps at the same time. Seems like a great idea to me. It supports a limited amount of apps, but unlike Galaxy Note 10.1, you could probably hack in other apps to work.
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This works with a handful of Google Apps, no other apps. I don't see the point.
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Yes, but the Galaxy Note 2 supports all apps in multi-window mode...
This would be *nice* to have but I don't know how much easier it would be then to just multitasking between 2 apps now and having the apps full screen. I can see some of the benefits like watching a youtube video while chatting on Google Talk. There are some good alternatives such as popup video players and notepads that overlay on top of current app and typically are resizable and movable.
While it makes sense this would be better on a 7" then a 5"... it really would be best on a 10". 7" barely gives me enough breathing room for 1 app. Plus most of the "compatible apps" are simple things like a calculator and notes
Well it seems VERY useful to me.
It's better than popup apps in my opinion - more app options.
Overscreen browser is a great alternative for now
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No, it's not.
This allows multiple apps to run side by side, Overskreen is just the browser. Also, it's not even compatible with Jelly Bean, so no one who owns a Nexus 7 can use it.
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Yes, but the Galaxy Note 2 supports all apps in multi-window mode...
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No, as I said, handful of specific Google apps. Read up on it. Will the list grow? Maybe? I'd have to guess it is a sdk used to support the function, is it worth app dev time to do it and possibly maintain multiple versions of their app?
more then google apps
Not just google apps can do this on the samsung note 10.1 .
samsng snote and lecture app
browser
vidoe player
picture gallery
polaris office
Photo shop (special note version)
I think there a few others that are on the samsung web app store. Samsung sbe adding apps to this.
Now for the bubble burst. The reason they work on the galaxy note is the new QUAD Core cpu and 2 GB Very fast ram .. samsung tried to release a less ram/power version of the 10.1 note with a higer res display. they backed the display down and increased the cpu//ram. this is also to support the WACOM S PEN..
I have been reading alot about the device because mine will be here Monday. So the above if from my reading and research. I can update you more mid next week.. I do not see a need for split windows on a 7 inch screen .. get the overscreen browser and try it.. JUST Does not work for productive work...
Hope this help make it more understandable... too bad samsung did not make the n7 . i give up because of the screen issues sent two of them back and will NOT order a 3rd...
Dude. Overskreen DOES NOT work on Jelly Bean. And it is just one app, vs an entire suite of Google Apps.
Also there's no need for window management.
Nexus 7 has a quad-core processor too, just less RAM - which isn't even a problem, it still can handle side by side apps.
And you're telling some weird stuff here. We are talking about Galaxy Note 2, which allows more apps, and works better. AND it works on a 5 inch screen, so it'll be awesome on a seven inch.
So yeah, please don't come back with your 'research' to tell us that you think that this feature is unnecessary.
i hope sincerely as a dev can make a mod for port this feature in future beacause it's very usefull even if work only with google apps it's better ,
anyone know if a moded youtube apps existing for play a video on background because i search since 3 month but not find ?
thx
I don't think there is one, sadly. Android doesn't support true multitasking
While i would love to have or port this it simply isnt possible, it requires a lot of changing to the frameworks and it would be hard to decompile all of samsungs sources and extract it.
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I don't think there is one, sadly. Android doesn't support true multitasking
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Stock android not, but there are a few roms with cornerstone, i think mainly on 10 inch tablets.
Web os did this kinda on a dual core wish android would absorb that multitasking feature right now running multiple apps kinda is a hit and miss
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-snip-
Now we now with the arrival of the Nexus 4 also comes the newest android version, 4.2. Lets take a look at some of the key aspects/improvements google has made.
Here is a list of changes:
Main features:
Sphere camera
Multiple user profiles
Google Now updated
Quick settings
Gesture typing
Wireless TV Integration
Lockscreen widgets
Daydream screensaver
Pinch to zoom in Gmail
Triple tap to zoom the whole homescreen
Speech output
Gesture mode navigation
Credit to Prawesome here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1962397
We know the specs of the phone itself but here are some more links with more information regarding Android 4.2:
http://m.gsmarena.com/android_42_is_out_google_keeps_the_jelly_bean_name-news-5016.php
http://m.engadget.com/2012/10/29/google-bumps-android-to-4-2-keeps-jelly-bean-moniker/
About the improved camera features:http://m.engadget.com/2012/10/29/android-photo-sphere-panorama-google/?icid=m_eng_latest_art
System/app Dump?
Has anyone a copy of the 4.2 system apps? I would love to install some like the new keyboard, and I'm sure many others would love it too!
Quick Settings = FINALLY.
This is the one thing I could never live without from AOKP. I might actually not even need a custom ROM this time. I really like their implementation of it too.
I'm looking forward to the Swype like keyboard. I really like Swype, let's see if Google can do better
man i was looking forward to the "project roadrunner" :/ sounded like an awesome idea/concept. still I'm happy with 4.2
loving the multi user and photo sphere(take that apple!)
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I'm looking forward to the Swype like keyboard. I really like Swype, let's see if Google can do better
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I wouldn't be able to live my life without Swype. It makes me wonder how I went through life typing one letter at a time But seriously, I really hope it performs better than Swype.
@knolly I'm in the exact same boat as you. I've always wanted that on a phone's stock ROM. After playing around with custom ROMs on my S2, I'm ready to just jump on a Nexus and stay on whatever Google decides to churn out right then and there instead of having to wait for custom ROMs to come just to avoid the poop that Samsung/AT&T likes to put on the builds.
Looks great, it looks like its consolidating jelly bean with all the features a big OS update needs
I wish for something like the leeks said where you could remove the OEM overlay (sense, touchwiz)
Its there going to be update on Android browser.seems like they are only doing it with crook chrome
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Its there going to be update on Android browser.seems like they are only doing it with crook chrome
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Chrome IS the default browser.All future updates for android will have Chrome as its default browser.
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Chrome IS the default browser.All future updates for android will have Chrome as its default browser.
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Lets hope it runs better on Nexus devices. It can be horrid on other devices
any news on when source will be submitted to the repos, I'm sure we'll all have to wait till the release the devices in a few weeks but It would be nice if we got a system image or something for our faithful devs to hack and slash
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Its there going to be update on Android browser.seems like they are only doing it with crook chrome
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I doubt the "stock" browser will even be included in the build. I believe the only reason they kept it around on the Galaxy Nexus is because it shipped with it and they didn't want to deal with people losing their browser.
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I doubt the "stock" browser will even be included in the build. I believe the only reason they kept it around on the Galaxy Nexus is because it shipped with it and they didn't want to deal with people losing their browser.
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To be honest im not really thrilled about this. Chrome seams a little prmature to me. A lot of neat features sure but I regularly experience much better peformance on on the old stock android browser in actual browsing experience. Sure some benchmarks say its better but real world performance has been anything but. Just my 2cents.
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To be honest im not really thrilled about this. Chrome seams a little prmature to me. A lot of neat features sure but I regularly experience much better peformance on on the old stock android browser in actual browsing experience. Sure some benchmarks say its better but real world performance has been anything but. Just my 2cents.
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It totally depends on the hardware it is running on. I can barely use Chrome (and dont) because of my limited hardware. A phone with 2gb ram and a quad core should make for a very buttery experience.
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It totally depends on the hardware it is running on. I can barely use Chrome (and dont) because of my limited hardware. A phone with 2gb ram and a quad core should make for a very buttery experience.
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I've got an overclocked G'nex on JB, 1.35 ghz dual core omap 4410? I would think that should do the trick but no...
You're the first I've ever heard say that about a galaxy nexus.
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It's not to any extent unusable or "slow" but my native browser just rips! Idk maybe its psychological... the biggest place that ive noticed it is not in page renders but in actual usability of the page. What I mean is that they seam to render in about the same time=fast but on chrome I'm unable to selct links and there is usually some delay before I can scroll around or zoom where as on the native browser I can be halfway through a page load and already selcting another link...
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Lets hope it runs better on Nexus devices. It can be horrid on other devices
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Yep...Chrome isn't nearly as fast as it was on PC..
Controversies,controversies everywhere :what:
I mostly prefer the stock browser myself, still use flash quite a bit (though i guess that it will probably be somewhat if not entirely broken on 4.2/Nexus 4).
But for other tasks i've preferred Chrome, especially with the syncing of pages and the fact it seems to handle pages much better than the stock browser did, especially in regards to forum attachements, download sites, etc.
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any news on when source will be submitted to the repos, I'm sure we'll all have to wait till the release the devices in a few weeks but It would be nice if we got a system image or something for our faithful devs to hack and slash
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I am guessing the source will be released the same day as the phone ships. That's how it has worked in the past, isn't it ?
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I'm debating switching over just to try it, just want to have a better idea if people like 4.2 or not. Thanks.
Not really. Its not polished at all and is laggy. I also prefer cm over stock and hate chrome.
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Love it.
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I was getting serious lag earlier, I'm hoping it settles down before I start rooting around where I shouldn't
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Not really. Its not polished at all and is laggy. I also prefer cm over stock and hate chrome.
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You know you can install another browser, right?
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Other than lockscreen, l like it
Nah, I quite like the dual notif box's, one for quick settings etc.
But hate how it keeps scrolling down, off screen etc.
Also, MY NEXUS IS SO SLOW AND LAGGY NOW, FEELS LIKE THERES 100GB of data on a 16GB tablet its that rudy slow.
Some app won't work.
1.I love MX Player but not supported android 4.2
2.I can't see TWRP backup folder when connect with PC
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I think it's a good update.
My favorite new feature is definitely the keyboard
S'ok
Like = Gesture Typing, new settings drop down - Epic!
Not Sure = WIDI - This could be cool as no MHL on my Nexus 7 but not tried yet and possibly expensive
Don't Like = New lockscreen - Just looks nasty and feels slow and pointless
Love it! It the best Android experience yet! IMO
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If I don't go away this weekend I will have a chance to install it. I almost did it yesterday but was so tired. I definitely want to try it though. I know I'll miss AOKP.
The only thing I like is the gesture typing. My nexus 7 has seemed much slower since the update and I hate the dual drop down menus.
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Swipe typing is really nice, animations on the app switcher look pretty cool. But does feel a touch sluggish on general use. Plus Bluetooth audio is screwed up, audio keeps stuttering really badly. Notifications seems half a step backward to me, but not something I'm overly bothered about
It's ok besides these issues that are really getting me frustrated. Can't get old pics to show in Gallery, even though they are there and are in the same file location that pics taken with 4.2 are. Pics taken on 4.2 show in Gallery show in Gallery...? Can't find the newest TWRP backup in file explorer, but it shows in TWRP. Total opposite for old backups.....they show in file explorer, but not in TWRP?
Oh...the USB-debugging hidden thing had me mad at first, but now think it was kinda funny.
It is a SMALL update, very small.
I don't care about the keyboard, since I don't use dictionary (not possible with slavic languages, and I use TWO).
I don;t particulary like new notifications/settings pulldown. It is ugly and extends over the edge f the screen, even if empty.
I don't like new lock screen. I prefer to have weather icon on it than stupid widgets which might provide private data before UNLOCK
I have a feeling it is slower, only slightly, though, than 4.1.2
Several apps don't work, including my favorite TSF Shell
"Blink to logon" is a good idea, but I have glasses and it doesn't work very well for me
So, all in all, a HUGE FAIL.
Thanx god it is a small update, who knows what Google would manage to f*ck up in MAJOR update....
My only issue is that the quick settings notification area aren't actual toggles as opposed to shortcuts to settings. But overall happy.
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4.2 is just preparing us for 5.0 and you could tell in the new clock app.I think they are going to change the color scheme to red. The camera icon is also different and in 5.0 there will be more changes. For now we are basically beta testers of an early build of 5.0
4.2 is very smooth though
4.2 seems to work pretty well. Smooth and relatively trouble free so far.
Went all the way back to stock/unrooted/locked
Updated ota to 4.1.2
Flashed 4.2
Unlocked/rooted applied 720p video patch
All is smooth
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