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hello guys..i heard that galaxy note and other samsung device are using an outdated GPU (Mali-400MP GPU)...so is it a little "fail" for our note to have an outdated GPU?plss give ur opinion.. thanks guys
..u can read the review about the GPU--> Here
It's so much faster than the sgx540 in the nexus it's ridiculous and since my choice was between those two I'm very happy with it.
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Check out the real world performances. Mali 400 outclasses Adreno 220 easily.
The weakpoint of Mali is geometry performance, but it does not matter much with mobiles until now as mobile games are not geometry heavy.
On the other hand, the OpenGL ES 2.x performance and real world performance of Mali is excellent.
With the clock speed of exynos in Note which actually gives much better real world performance with Mali 400 than even SGS2, it runs circles around Adreno 220 powered devices like sensation and even SGX540 powered devices.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17
The above review is of SGS2. And mind you the performance of note is much better than SGS2. It is one of the most balanced GPUs on market with great gaming as well as multimedia performance (which actually matters more to someone like me.)
Funkym0nkey said:
Check out the real world performances. Mali 400 outclasses Adreno 220 easily.
The weakpoint of Mali is geometry performance, but it does not matter much with mobiles until now as mobile games are not geometry heavy.
On the other hand, the OpenGL ES 2.x performance and real world performance of Mali is excellent.
With the clock speed of exynos in Note which actually gives much better real world performance with Mali 400 than even SGS2, it runs circles around Adreno 220 powered devices like sensation and even SGX540 powered devices.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17
The above review is of SGS2. And mind you the performance of note is much better than SGS2. It is one of the most balanced GPUs on market with great gaming as well as multimedia performance (which actually matters more to someone like me.)
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thanks for this info sir
although mali has been here for a very long time, it was well ahead of its time. and it still is i guess
anjath said:
although mali has been here for a very long time, it was well ahead of its time. and it still is i guess
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Yeah well Scott Adams is wayyyyyyy past his heyday (heck, even being relevant).... haven't read him since 2007 or so, when he started dabbling in intelligent design woo and sexist claptrap...
for being a heavy mobile gamer
i can assure you that the mali 400 on the note does very well with the latest games (asphalt7, dead trigger to name a few) despite having to compute for a much higher resolution display than other phones...
and with a little overclocking (tegrak app or gl notecore kernel) gpu performance can get sky high.
best phone i ever got :victory:
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hello guys..i heard that galaxy note and other samsung device are using an outdated GPU (Mali-400MP GPU)...so is it a little "fail" for our note to have an outdated GPU?plss give ur opinion.. thanks guys
..u can read the review about the GPU--> Here
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The note was released ten months ago but still its gpu is better than all the others except sgs3 and and maybe one x..
Btw do you even own a note?? Did you every notice any lag in any game??
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The note was released ten months ago but still its gpu is better than all the others except sgs3 and and maybe one x..
Btw do you even own a note?? Did you every notice any lag in any game??
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The NOTE's and SGS3's GPU are the same.
However, the S3 is built on a smaller 32nm die-size, so it means it uses less space and less power for same performance. Samsung uses this advantage to clock the frequency much higher than the NOTE (which is built on a 45nm die).
Also, the S3 implements a new, updated driver for the gpu and squeezes more performance out. This was a same move Samsung made with the SGX540, which is also a very fast gpu. The original SGS was clocked real-low and had outdated drivers... after stealing the driver sources from the LG with OMAP 4440 SoC, the SGS (with 4.0.3) was performing in the same league as the 2011/2012 devices.
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The NOTE's and SGS3's GPU are the same.
However, the S3 is built on a smaller 32nm die-size, so it means it uses less space and less power for same performance. Samsung uses this advantage to clock the frequency much higher than the NOTE (which is built on a 45nm die).
Also, the S3 implements a new, updated driver for the gpu and squeezes more performance out. This was a same move Samsung made with the SGX540, which is also a very fast gpu. The original SGS was clocked real-low and had outdated drivers... after stealing the driver sources from the LG with OMAP 4440 SoC, the SGS (with 4.0.3) was performing in the same league as the 2011/2012 devices.
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I know that that both the note and sgs3 has same gpu.. But the one in sgs3 its more powerful cause you said it's overclocked and has better drivers..
Btw do you know why the mali in sgs3 gets so high benchmark scores even wih the 720p screen? I mean is it all due to oc and better drivers?
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I know that that both the note and sgs3 has same gpu.. But the one in sgs3 its more powerful cause you said it's overclocked and has better drivers..
Btw do you know why the mali in sgs3 gets so high benchmark scores even wih the 720p screen? I mean is it all due to oc and better drivers?
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Better drivers + a little O'C makes the overwhelming difference.
I mean the NOTE comes with *only* 2 cores and *slow* gpu... after I customized it, its running toe-to-toe with the HTC One X (Tegra3).
An easier way to understand is to look at the new RIM PlayBook.
It's got the same processor as the Gnex (Galaxy Nexus) however its much much faster, especially in browsing. It decimates it. It even decimates the ASUS Transformer Prime Infinity (O'C Tegra3 + ICS).... or the Nexus7 (U'C Tegra3 + JBean).
You are only as fast as your slowest component. In the case of Android, its the high-level (slow) implemented software.
= Getting a faster soc with more cores and more ram doesn't really increase performance that much.
Some serious thread necromancy going on here!
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Dave
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Better drivers + a little O'C makes the overwhelming difference.
I mean the NOTE comes with *only* 2 cores and *slow* gpu... after I customized it, its running toe-to-toe with the HTC One X (Tegra3).
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By toe to toe with the one x do you mean benchmarks or real life perfomance..
Hey one thing more..aren't you a engadget reader?
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By toe to toe with the one x do you mean benchmarks or real life perfomance..
Hey one thing more..aren't you a engadget reader?
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Both.
But I don't live by the benchmarks. I mean have you tried some of the HD Apps from TegraZone. On stock TouchWizz, the NOTE really struggles. With a custom setup, I don't get much/any problems.
Yeah, I do frequent engadget... also on heaps of other sites.
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Both.
But I don't live by the benchmarks. I mean have you tried some of the HD Apps from TegraZone. On stock TouchWizz, the NOTE really struggles. With a custom setup, I don't get much/any problems.
Yeah, I do frequent engadget... also on heaps of other sites.
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Would you be kind enough to educate me about your setup?
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Better drivers + a little O'C makes the overwhelming difference.
I mean the NOTE comes with *only* 2 cores and *slow* gpu... after I customized it, its running toe-to-toe with the HTC One X (Tegra3).
An easier way to understand is to look at the new RIM PlayBook.
It's got the same processor as the Gnex (Galaxy Nexus) however its much much faster, especially in browsing. It decimates it. It even decimates the ASUS Transformer Prime Infinity (O'C Tegra3 + ICS).... or the Nexus7 (U'C Tegra3 + JBean).
You are only as fast as your slowest component. In the case of Android, its the high-level (slow) implemented software.
= Getting a faster soc with more cores and more ram doesn't really increase performance that much.
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Exactly. Even though the Playbook has its many flaws (owned two both with screen/USB issues) it was a powerhouse. Multimedia was outstanding and web surfing was by far the fastest.
But the OS, QNX, is to thank for that. If the Playbook was running android it would be nothing out of the ordinary. As much as I love Android it really is not as efficiant as QNX
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anything on market today is outdated tommorow
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Recently I had a doubt about if it's possible to unlock the 2 locked remaining cores in the Galaxy Note N7000? Because I realize that the Note only uses 2 of the 4 GPU cores... It's there a possibility to do this? How?
i think mali 400 is a good GPU because Note1 and Note2 using it. and really nice GPU for gaming
So recently, a pretty good deal approached me where I have a chance to sell my 4X HD and buy a nexus 4 for a reasonable amonth of money. I was pretty disappointed from the performance in games, camera quality and sound so this deal came in handy, but now when the leaked jelly bean update has been showing pretty good improvements in all ways I dont want to regret selling this phone. As I didnt even hold the nexus 4, just saw a ton of reviews, I'm asking for some advice if I should stick with the phone or change it, from some experienced users.
Do you guys think that the new update will bring much better performance and overall make it on par with the nexus 4?? What advantages would I get getting the nexus 4 in this case ( battery, screen, etc)
Thanks..
Battery is somewhat improved but still not amazing, games also improved a little, shadowgun thd for example now doesnt lag at all. Im curious to see how development goes with the unlocked bootloader, but if someone gave me a nexus 4 to swap i would. The question is how much money will you lose, and is it worth it? Personally ive always wanted a nexus phone for googles support but wouldnt pay the prices
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I find dead trigger unplayable on ultra high with this jb...
In v10h it was smooth as butter
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I find dead trigger unplayable on ultra high with this jb...
In v10h it was smooth as butter
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Mine plays ok, just lags in first few seconds, did the same in 10h
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Take the nexus, at least then it's 100% unlockable from the get-go.
objectively: Nexus4 has just better specs than P880, right?
but i think that highly modded P880 (for example with future CM10.1 and 3.4 kernel by kholk) will catch up stocky Nexus4 a little
Nexus 4. Better specs, overwhelming support. The 4X will never catch up to the better specs of the N4. Software can only help up to a point, then hardware wins out.
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Nexus 4 is better but it depends on how much you're paying for the upgrade.
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Nexus 4. Better specs, overwhelming support. The 4X will never catch up to the better specs of the N4. Software can only help up to a point, then hardware wins out.
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true word.
Thnaks guys, I'll probably go for the nexus then It looks cool anyway and I like to change things from time to time I was a bit concern that it doesant have an expandeble memory, nor you can change battery , but I think 16 gigs will be okay. BTW What about the battery lifon on nexus 4. I've red a lot of pages on the nexus threads and it seems that majority is reporting not a good battery life at all, so are the reviews i've seen. But some say that it can last for 2 days with no problem.. I was pretty satisfied with the baterry life on 4x HD as after root and freezing some aps I could do 2 days no with no problem, and ti should be even bettter with jelly bean. Hope the nexus 4 wont last mi for 8 HOUrs or so as I'm used to 2 days
any personal experience ??
I think that nexus 4 is much better because it has much better hardware and awesome software support
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objectively: Nexus4 has just better specs than P880, right?
but i think that highly modded P880 (for example with future CM10.1 and 3.4 kernel by kholk) will catch up stocky Nexus4 a little
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Is it really possible to get 3.4 kernel unless nvidia releases sources? I doubt it since Nexus 7 running tegra 3 has only 3.1.10, I would too love to see 3.4 kernel on o4x.
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I know that every single man have problem with lagging, but trust me a quad core 1.5Ghz processor is not ment to lag at all, so I found that after changing cpu profile on my 4x HD to "performance" I got no lag in games a so, I noticed that with the default CPU profile playing games actives only ONE core .
I think that every thing will be good in the future I HOPE so
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I know that every single man have problem with lagging, but trust me a quad core 1.5Ghz processor is not ment to lag at all, so I found that after changing cpu profile on my 4x HD to "performance" I got no lag in games a so, I noticed that with the default CPU profile playing games actives only ONE core .
I think that every thing will be good in the future I HOPE so
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You are delusional, it lags a lot on any cpu governor, even more we dont have custom kernel (read custom cpu - gpu scaling).
At this time LG 4X is not even close to LG NEXUS 4, maybe it will never be...so 4X is a LG - NVIDIA collaboration failure.
Happy marriage is LG & QUALCOMM...
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You are delusional, it lags a lot on any cpu governor, even more we dont have custom kernel (read custom cpu - gpu scaling).
At this time LG 4X is not even close to LG NEXUS 4, maybe it will never be...so 4X is a LG - NVIDIA collaboration failure.
Happy marriage is LG & QUALCOMM...
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I think its devs fault, some games are perfectly smooth! Shadowgun thd that lagged on ics works great on jb. The problem is devs arent making their games use multiple cores yet they are putting them on high graphics, causing lags. Whats strange is if you look at tegra phones on nvidia site the optimus 4x isnt listed. Something about LG power management must make it hard to allow multithreading in games compared to.the one x
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nedooo said:
You are delusional, it lags a lot on any cpu governor, even more we dont have custom kernel (read custom cpu - gpu scaling).
At this time LG 4X is not even close to LG NEXUS 4, maybe it will never be...so 4X is a LG - NVIDIA collaboration failure.
Happy marriage is LG & QUALCOMM...
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The console Ouya is a failure???
S.O Android 4.1, Tegra 3 to 1,5ghz and 1Gb ram...
This console have games optimized.The 4X have same spects.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouya
WillySonicteam said:
The console Ouya is a failure???
S.O Android 4.1, Tegra 3 to 1,5ghz and 1Gb ram...
This console have games optimized.The 4X have same spects.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouya
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You don't have a clue do you?
First it's not same chipset: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra_3#Tegra_3
Second more important there is no need for battery saver on console...
Third: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-OYKd8SVrI
when comparing the nexus 4 to the p880, nobody mentioned that the p880 has 16gig and must be compared to the more expensive nexus 4, and furthermore has a micro sd card slot.
do you think its fun to have 3 games like gta vc, nfs mw and horn on the device and BAM! the memory is completely full?
not having an sd card is a complete no-go for me, and after i got rid of my iphone i really didnt want to go into such a closed world again.
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when comparing the nexus 4 to the p880, nobody mentioned that the p880 has 16gig and must be compared to the more expensive nexus 4, and furthermore has a micro sd card slot.
do you think its fun to have 3 games like gta vc, nfs mw and horn on the device and BAM! the memory is completely full?
not having an sd card is a complete no-go for me, and after i got rid of my iphone i really didnt want to go into such a closed world again.
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Ouch! It only comes in 8gb? Didnt realize that, i got my 4x for gaming
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Mahalsk said:
Thnaks guys, I'll probably go for the nexus then It looks cool anyway and I like to change things from time to time I was a bit concern that it doesant have an expandeble memory, nor you can change battery , but I think 16 gigs will be okay. BTW What about the battery lifon on nexus 4. I've red a lot of pages on the nexus threads and it seems that majority is reporting not a good battery life at all, so are the reviews i've seen. But some say that it can last for 2 days with no problem.. I was pretty satisfied with the baterry life on 4x HD as after root and freezing some aps I could do 2 days no with no problem, and ti should be even bettter with jelly bean. Hope the nexus 4 wont last mi for 8 HOUrs or so as I'm used to 2 days
any personal experience ??
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The "my phone can last 2 days with no problem" shouldn't be taken as a thuth, my p880 can last 2 days without a problem but only if i use it lightly.
You should investigate how many hours will it last when gaming, watching movies or internet and then you will know if it really worth the hassle of getting a new phone.
And by the way, if the nexus has no expandable memory then you better be sure you won't need it, i'm not the kind of guy that stores 5 full movies or even 1000 songs but with only 5 or 6 games, a few apps and like 300 songs i already got 8 GB full out of the 12 GB available on my p880.
What i would do is wait until the official release of the JB for my P880, i'm pretty sure they will fix a LOT of things in that version including gaming, internet, apps and they will unlock the BL (just be realistic and don't expect your phone to become ultra mega fast and that the battery will run for 30 days straight without charge)
This Leaked release version of Jelly bean is obviosly incomplete and with several bugs and honestly i think LG leaked this version just to get rid of the people who were trying to hack their site.
Be patient and you'll be fine.
P.S. excuse my broken english, it's not my native language.
So, i'm getting a really low 3D Mark score for a "gaming" device like this, i think that Nvidia do something wrong with the Tegra 3 GPU, i got it running at 650Mhz and i get like 3000 points... other devices on the same range get a lot better scores... what to do to get better 3D on our 4X?
Well this is my score...I'm not sure our much other devices get, but from the results our O4X is in the same range as the Note 2...so I guess that those results aren't that bad...
Btw I used the official CM10.1.0 rom with stock cm kernel...
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JAsko_san said:
Well this is my score...I'm not sure our much other devices get, but from the results our O4X is in the same range as the Note 2...so I guess that those results aren't that bad...
Btw I used the official CM10.1.0 rom with stock cm kernel...
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i think that is a better score that i do have with V20C and iodak kernel, i will try another kernel and compare...
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So, i'm getting a really low 3D Mark score for a "gaming" device like this, i think that Nvidia do something wrong with the Tegra 3 GPU, i got it running at 650Mhz and i get like 3000 points... other devices on the same range get a lot better scores... what to do to get better 3D on our 4X?
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Are you running anything else? I ran at stock speeds (no overclock anything) and got 4100-4200 on five straight runs. I have no idea what a normal score for the Tegra 3 is supposed to be.
I get same result. My kernel nothing touched from defaults.
I think it is ok all tegra 3 devices get similar scores one x+ gets about 3800.
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for benchmarking, stock rom > aosp rom > cm based roms > other roms, from my experience. even when you bring custom kernels to the table, it's the same.
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f.e., on quadrant, stock with custom kernels could go around 6100, aosp rom we have went to 5500, cm based went up to 4800, while others went up to 4500.
Stock with what customs? Im using iodak is there a begter kernel? Mc4 lags as hell even at 520mhz gpu a 1600mhz cpu
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Stock with what customs? Im using iodak is there a begter kernel? Mc4 lags as hell even at 520mhz gpu a 1600mhz cpu
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we have like four available kernels for stock, try all four and see which one runs the fastest. as for mc4, i could swear i saw people reporting playing that with no lag... strange
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Stock with what customs? Im using iodak is there a begter kernel? Mc4 lags as hell even at 520mhz gpu a 1600mhz cpu
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Have you tried uninstalling all these overclock softwares and testing without them?
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we have like four available kernels for stock, try all four and see which one runs the fastest. as for mc4, i could swear i saw people reporting playing that with no lag... strange
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Maybe the problem is that i use the full graphics modded APK... and not the tegra 3 that i bought via playstore... also, Dead space lags too... mabye a kernel related problem, i will flash the rom and kernel again and see...
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Maybe the problem is that i use the full graphics modded APK... and not the tegra 3 that i bought via playstore... also, Dead space lags too... mabye a kernel related problem, i will flash the rom and kernel again and see...
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yeah, that might be the issue. unfortunately, tegra3 in our phone didn't quite live up to my expectations, which sux since even nexus7 has better performance than our phone. didn't try dead space either, so cant really tell. i did try vice city and nfs, they ran quite good on stock for me.
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yeah, that might be the issue. unfortunately, tegra3 in our phone didn't quite live up to my expectations, which sux since even nexus7 has better performance than our phone. didn't try dead space either, so cant really tell. i did try vice city and nfs, they ran quite good on stock for me.
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Well i will download again from google play and come back and tell
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yeah, that might be the issue. unfortunately, tegra3 in our phone didn't quite live up to my expectations, which sux since even nexus7 has better performance than our phone.
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Does it? 3DMark benchmarks disagree.
I did manage to reproduce the OP's results though. I installed TegraOverclock and suddenly my 3DMark results were the same as the ones he posted. If I uninstall it I get the attached image.
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Does it? 3DMark benchmarks disagree.
I did manage to reproduce the OP's results though. I installed TegraOverclock and suddenly my 3DMark results were the same as the ones he posted. If I uninstall it I get the attached image.
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average results for nexus 7 are better than those for o4x, unfortunately.
http://community.futuremark.com/hardware/mobile/LG+Optimus+4X+HD/review
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average results for nexus 7 are better than those for o4x, unfortunately.
http://community.futuremark.com/hardware/mobile/LG+Optimus+4X+HD/review
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You might wish to see the image I posted on a non-overclocked phone.
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You might wish to see the image I posted on a non-overclocked phone.
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and i can post my image of benchmark with 3200 score, overclocked . since my score is as valid as yours, we might as well take the average that's on the website - and the average number says that nexus7 performs better than o4x.
on the other hand, i dont game much these days, and the games i do run, run well enough. so, it's just a benchmark, a number; however i have expected tegra3 in this phone to have higher number than tablet with practically identical chip in it
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and i can post my image of benchmark with 3200 score, overclocked . since my score is as valid as yours, we might as well take the average that's on the website - and the average number says that nexus7 performs better than o4x.
on the other hand, i dont game much these days, and the games i do run, run well enough. so, it's just a benchmark, a number; however i have expected tegra3 in this phone to have higher number than tablet with practically identical chip in it
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While it is indeed just a number, it does actually measure something. Unless my configuration is somehow exploiting it specifically to achieve those scores, you might wish to see why you underscore so much and fix it. The phones are identical after all, and no one is talking about fancy coolers or the like as exists in PCs.
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While it is indeed just a number, it does actually measure something. Unless my configuration is somehow exploiting it specifically to achieve those scores, you might wish to see why you underscore so much and fix it. The phones are identical after all, and no one is talking about fancy coolers or the like as exists in PCs.
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I did some testing, and may have the answer for you. The vanilla iodak sets the CPU to 1.7GHz and the 3D and 2D GPU to 520MHz, all of which are maximum values, hence the very good 3DMark scores. If you use an app such as TegraOverclock and set those values you should get the same scores or at least very close to them. I did notice that any attempt to apply an overclock to the GPU was instantly rejected. If I tried to set it to 600MHz it was immediately set at... 300MHz, so as far as I can tell, 520 is the highest possible.
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I did some testing, and may have the answer for you. The vanilla iodak sets the CPU to 1.7GHz and the 3D and 2D GPU to 520MHz, all of which are maximum values, hence the very good 3DMark scores. If you use an app such as TegraOverclock and set those values you should get the same scores or at least very close to them. I did notice that any attempt to apply an overclock to the GPU was instantly rejected. If I tried to set it to 600MHz it was immediately set at... 300MHz, so as far as I can tell, 520 is the highest possible.
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it puts to 300mhz because is the minimun, in 520mhz the minimun is 200...
Edit: flashed back V20C, getting 3570 stock, i will flash Iodak again.. and test... without donwloading tegra overclock...
Edit again, this is with iodak v6 stock settings it seems that thegra overclock app reduces the performance of our devices...
Stock kernel has its gpu running at 200mhz base, scaling up to 416. Custom kernels can increase that, which leads to higher scores. I got 4k by increasing gpu to 520mhz. I don't see how just having tegra oc installed could break anything
I'm trying to understand how a G2 that uses the same Snapdragon 800 and Adreno 330 could be faster than Nexus5.
Is seems that G2 is faster than N5.
Ridiculusly there are many test where Galaxy S4 beats N5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3uZdVsND1E&feature=youtube_gdata_player
GS4 runs on a Snapdragon 600, how can be faster than N5?
Not sure why you are comparing benchmarks on phones http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/
The only thing I care is real world performance and thermal throttling.
How is it running Real Racing 3 and other super-demanding games?
& this is why benchmarks are pure BS.
Here is a more realistic comparison in speed between the Galaxy S4 & the N5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-F6bJ218Bc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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ste1164 said:
Not sure why you are comparing benchmarks on phones http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/
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very funny, I lost that article.
Android manufacturers are known to optimize for specific benchmarks, Anandtech did an article on this. I will only trust real world performance and analysis by reputable tech sites like AT.
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I'm trying to understand how a G2 that uses the same Snapdragon 800 and Adreno 330 could be faster than Nexus5.
Is seems that G2 is faster than N5.
Ridiculusly there are many test where Galaxy S4 beats N5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3uZdVsND1E&feature=youtube_gdata_player
GS4 runs on a Snapdragon 600, how can be faster than N5?
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Google has always throttled their devices. So when you push it to the extremes in benchmarks for 5 min straight it throttles back the CPU therefore giving a lower score. Like said real world performance is what matters.
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Even a 'cheating' S600 phones shouldnt be near an S800 phone. The N5 does seem to have very aggressive throttling indeed, indeed my HTC One beats my N5 in just about all benchmarks. Something im sure the devs will fix soon enough.
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Even a 'cheating' S600 phones shouldnt be near an S800 phone. The N5 does seem to have very aggressive throttling indeed, indeed my HTC One beats my N5 in just about all benchmarks. Something im sure the devs will fix soon enough.
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It doesn't have any throttling at all.
They just don't play the benchmark game like OEMs do.
The N5 is noticeably faster than an S4 in all tasks yet the S4 scores higher on Antutu for example.
benchmark apps are pure BS.
Which is better - having the fastest smoothest phone available or being slower at everything yet scoring higher on a benchmark app?
People need to get their priorities right.
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It doesn't have any throttling at all.
They just don't play the benchmark game like OEMs do.
The N5 is noticeably faster than an S4 in all tasks yet the S4 scores higher on Antutu for example.
benchmark apps are pure BS.
Which is better - having the fastest smoothest phone available or being slower at everything yet scoring higher on a benchmark app?
People need to get their priorities right.
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ALL phones have thermal throttling, thats not up for debate, what is up for debate is how aggressively they set the limits.
What many here fail to realise is that the 'cheating' that goes on is just thermal management tricks, nothing more than that. Samsung and the others have programs that detect benchmarks launching, and then set the thermal management to very light limits. In the case of the S4 they clock the GPU to the maximum rated limit and dont throttle it down (533MHz), whereas its normally limited to 480 for thermal management reasons. 533 is not an overclock, 480 is an underclock.
An N5 should be faster than an S4 even if the S4 is at 533, so either Google is heavily throttling the N5, or its got some serious optimisation work to do.
Benchmarks mean fcuk all and too be honest if that's all the op cares about them the nexus ain't for him.
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ALL phones have thermal throttling, thats not up for debate, what is up for debate is how aggressively they set the limits.
What many here fail to realise is that the 'cheating' that goes on is just thermal management tricks, nothing more than that. Samsung and the others have programs that detect benchmarks launching, and then set the thermal management to very light limits. In the case of the S4 they clock the GPU to the maximum rated limit and dont throttle it down (533MHz), whereas its normally limited to 480 for thermal management reasons. 533 is not an overclock, 480 is an underclock.
An N5 should be faster than an S4 even if the S4 is at 533, so either Google is heavily throttling the N5, or its got some serious optimisation work to do.
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Again - look at the video link I posted above against the S4.
Which is better - faster phone throughout or a nice pretty score in a free benchmark app?
When will people learn - these apps are absolute junk and in No Way do they reflect the speed of the device or the power of the internals inside.
It seriously sounds like you'd accept a slower less powerful phone as long as it scored higher on the pretty charts in these apps.
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Anandtech pointed out that OEMs like Samsung boost CPU & GPU clocks during benchmarks, that's why you get higher numbers.
For Gods sake, it's the same SoC.
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I'm trying to understand how a G2 that uses the same Snapdragon 800 and Adreno 330 could be faster than Nexus5.
Is seems that G2 is faster than N5.
Ridiculusly there are many test where Galaxy S4 beats N5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3uZdVsND1E&feature=youtube_gdata_player
GS4 runs on a Snapdragon 600, how can be faster than N5?
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Nexus 5 is absolutely faster than Galaxy S4 in real life usage, no doubt about it. When it comes to G2 its more even between the two.
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Again - look at the video link I posted above against the S4.
Which is better - faster phone throughout or a nice pretty score in a free benchmark app?
When will people learn - these apps are absolute junk and in No Way do they reflect the speed of the device or the power of the internals inside.
It seriously sounds like you'd accept a slower less powerful phone as long as it scored higher on the pretty charts in these apps.
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Thats not what I said. Read again..
SOME benchmarks are purely about number crunching and the fact is the S800 should wipe the floor with the S600, if its not, something is going on.
While it doesnt matter if the device is smooth in real world usage it still points to the fact that the software needs a lot of optimisation to be done yet.
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Thats not what I said. Read again..
SOME benchmarks are purely about number crunching and the fact is the S800 should wipe the floor with the S600, if its not, something is going on.
While it doesnt matter if the device is smooth in real world usage it still points to the fact that the software needs a lot of optimisation to be done yet.
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Its not just about smoothness.
Go look at some comparisons of the N5 vs Galaxy S4.
N5 is faster at booting, browsing speed, smoothness, speed of loading of apps, gaming frame rates & loading speeds - basically EVERYTHING!
so you either believe the benchmark app or the actual speeds of the devices.
Simply put - you'd prefer a slower phone so long as it scores higher in these apps.
If you want one of these s600 phones like the S4 & ONE - go & get one! - but don't expect anything to be faster than the N5 just because these free benchmarking apps tell you so.
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You should change the title. " Galaxy S4 and G2 are faster than G2 "
Lol.
This is the Nexus 4 performance discussion all over again.
Other Manufacturers use specific Dalvic patches that grearly improve performance in benchmarks.
If you really want to compare performance of the SoC use something like Geekbench that runs native
code and not ontop of the Dalvic Virtual Maschine.
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You should change the title. " Galaxy S4 and G2 are faster than G2 "
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It should be changed to "Galaxy S4 and G2 perform better then the N5 in useless Benchmarks that don't reflect real world performance"
The only thing obvious from the video comparing the N5 to the G2 is the on screen black levels.
Blacks seem blacker on the G2 in menus and in game, the N5's blacks are grayer.
Google doesn't seem to be interested in calibrating their Nexus line screens
Why does my golden retriever outperform my cat in the fishing dead ducks out of the pond test?
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hello everyone Today I have updated my aututu benchmark to V. 6.0 and as I saw many things have changed including 3D testing and it was so lagyy when I tested it on my 5.1.1 exynos note4 I will share with you some pics of the results my total score was 66868, make atest on yours devices and tell me about your scores.
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I received my note 4 today (qualcom) I test it and report my antutu here. (I don't know how many times I can keep my new device's on official States, without root, etc..)
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I received my note 4 today (qualcom) I test it and report my antutu here. (I don't know how many times I can keep my new device's on official States, without root, etc..)
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Wat was the score??
Exynos version. Score: 65167
Im on stock not rooted
All stock (snapdragon)
All stock
and on android 5.0.1
sushant1thakran said:
All stock
and on android 5.0.1
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Wow so now snapdragon is scoring more than exynos
805= 70626 stock 5.1.1 PL
Antutu keeps failing with new scores lol. Just a bull**** benchmark like always.
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Wow so now snapdragon is scoring more than exynos
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64261777&postcount=590
Check this result out ... DN5 + custom kernel
Ouaou!!!?!mines is below 50000. How do u do it?
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DN5 0.5 with halaszk kernel 2.0
I dunno if i am the only one who feels that gpu performance is lowered there was a bug in android 5.0.1 in exynos variant that made gpu run on half of its speed i thought it was fixed in android 5.1.1 but in real life performance i have noticed some lag in games like asphalt 8 a lag that wasn't found in kitkat u can notice this lag when game is showing map before the race in 3 2 1, i hope if note 4 owners share their experience with gpu performance in 5.1.1 update
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I dunno if i am the only one who feels that gpu performance is lowered there was a bug in android 5.0.1 in exynos variant that made gpu run on half of its speed i thought it was fixed in android 5.1.1 but in real life performance i have noticed some lag in games like asphalt 8 a lag that wasn't found in kitkat u can notice this lag when game is showing map before the race in 3 2 1, i hope if note 4 owners share their experience with gpu performance in 5.1.1 update
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Some games are not optimised for the exynos variants thats why there is a lag...
other than that it gives a fluent performance and sometimes performs better than snapdragon (experience with note 2, note 3, lg g pro and note 4)
i have 74889 score on Antutu 6
i put My Note 4 in the fridge while testing and i was overclock it to max 3000 GHZ cpu and 800 GPU
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805= 70626 stock 5.1.1 PL
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The Snapdragon 805 is a beast of a SoC
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From what i can deduce from dn5 roms or other roms based on note 5 that note 5's rom is made in such a way that it cheats antutu to get a score of 80+ (if it is scoring less than this in ideal conditions), like it increases the scores of ux, its like we have an ssd builtin our note 4 which we cant use untill we r on note 5 rom, but in reality its not ssd. i m not saying that xda or independent developers have any kind of hand in this but samsung might do this kind of thing and they have done something like this in the past.
This is a theory.
No offence to anyone.
71909 sd 805 echoerom
Lets make it clear i dont and i never trusted antutu i but Wat is weird is that exynos score was much higher than snapdragon in kitkat then in android 5.0.1 exynos had a gpu bug that made it's acore lower than snapdragon, now in android 5.1.1 this bug is supposed to be fixed so why snapdragon is scoring more than exynos by more than 3k
thegeneral2010 said:
Lets make it clear i dont and i never trusted antutu i but Wat is weird is that exynos score was much higher than snapdragon in kitkat then in android 5.0.1 exynos had a gpu bug that made it's acore lower than snapdragon, now in android 5.1.1 this bug is supposed to be fixed so why snapdragon is scoring more than exynos by more than 3k
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Antutu is just bull**** lol just delete it. Exynos 7420 isnt that powerfull either. Stick with pcmark,geekbench and gfxbench if you want to check benchmarks.