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[REQ] Port 2nd Init from Defy to Atrix

They Defy has a mod (specifically a boot menu) that has a feature called '2nd Init' (Read up here) it basically bypasses the first init process and enables you to load up anything you want (better quick explanation?)
This mod that the Defy has has enabled it to have some pretty awesome stuff running on it (CM7, with Gingerbread 2.3.3 obviously). It's strange I have never seen this mentioned on this forum before except for the Defy and I want more people to be aware this has already taken place on the Defy, another locked bootloader phone. Anyways, if this gets ported then we could possibly do whatever Quarx, over on the Defy forum, did and port CM7 to the Atrix. There was some similar talk started when I made a new thread "CM7 for Defy" on the general forum, but I wanted to make sure that a decent amount of developers got to see this information, so I made a new post here.

Would like to see if this would work on the Atrix
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SN4K3B1T3 said:
2.3.3 not 3.3.3 some people might get confused
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Haha yea thanks. It was a typo.
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What could be the harm in checking the binary out in recovery? Maybe some bits and pieces of code would hav to be changed
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I really hope a well know experienced developer sees this so he can tell us the real deal if this is possible...like Tenfar, he would definatly be able to help.

BravoMotorola said:
I really hope a well know experienced developer sees this so he can tell us the real deal if this is possible...like Tenfar, he would definatly be able to help.
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Isn't the bootstrap recovery from Tenfar already leveraging 2nd init? Aren't the changes to check for AC power to boot into recovery done in init?
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BravoMotorola said:
I really hope a well know experienced developer sees this so he can tell us the real deal if this is possible...like Tenfar, he would definatly be able to help.
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We need Da_G on this. Bring him back from the dead!! Where has he been?

Immix said:
We need Da_G on this. Bring him back from the dead!! Where has he been?
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+1. I have no clue where he went. I think his twitter hasn't been updated either.
http://twitter.com/#!/Da_GNARF Nothing since the 14th of March :/

This seems very promising but I doubt it would work.
mainly because of the Tegra 2 processor.

Immix said:
We need Da_G on this. Bring him back from the dead!! Where has he been?
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DG is gone for good. He's never returning back to atrix now. If it wasn't for this dual core beast, I would have exchanged it for nexus s already.
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ceo.mtcl said:
DG is gone for good. He's never returning back to atrix now. If it wasn't for this dual core beast, I would have exchanged it for nexus s already.
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Da_G and designgears aren't the same people. The former is technical. The latter is not.

Sogarth said:
Da_G and designgears aren't the same people. The former is technical. The latter is not.
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Amen, DG is a tool. But moving on....
Was my question valid?

h8rift said:
Amen, DG is a tool. But moving on....
Was my question valid?
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Valid question. I don't believe it's 2nd init. Or at least not like the 2nd init on the Defy.

BTW guys, I tried the Defy 2nd init bootmenu (decided to use the apk that installs it all automatically) aaanndd..it bricked my phone. An sbf flash fixed it though.
So anyways, it is now known for sure that this needs to be ported in order to work. Someone PLEASE look into this. I am almost positive that this IS the method that will be used to install custom ROMs on the Atrix in the future. The actual bootloader has no chance of being cracked IMO. But we can get almost the same results with this.
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BravoMotorola said:
BTW guys, I tried the Defy 2nd init bootmenu (decided to use the apk that installs it all automatically) aaanndd..it bricked my phone. An sbf flash fixed it though.
So anyways, it is now known for sure that this needs to be ported in order to work. Someone PLEASE look into this. I am almost positive that this IS the method that will be used to install custom ROMs on the Atrix in the future. The actual bootloader has no chance of being cracked IMO. But we can get almost the same results with this.
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not nearly the same result i was on the sony x10 before i got the atrix and this is exactly how it was when the bootloader was locked we could flash custom roms but all it did was add new simple features. fps caps overclock and many other goodies are kernal related.
BUT i guess having this would be better than nothing at all just dont get overexcited then be dissappointed. also i believe its harder to develop like this than with an open bootloader.

xepter said:
not nearly the same result i was on the sony x10 before i got the atrix and this is exactly how it was when the bootloader was locked we could flash custom roms but all it did was add new simple features. fps caps overclock and many other goodies are kernal related.
BUT i guess having this would be better than nothing at all just dont get overexcited then be dissappointed. also i believe its harder to develop like this than with an open bootloader.
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No, this is quite different from what you are thinking of. It does allow custom kernels. The Defy has FULL cm7.

BravoMotorola said:
No, this is quite different from what you are thinking of. It does allow custom kernels. The Defy has FULL cm7.
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Right, in a nutshell, it should dump the current kernel and allow a second one to load.
Stock Bell Atrix on Rogers with updated radio, Rooted, deodexed, Honeycomb theme, and frozen!

Yep. It's great and somewhat easy to understand. This needs to catch someones attention.
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i'm guessing if someone hasn't already jumped on this, it's because it won't work.

dLo GSR said:
i'm guessing if someone hasn't already jumped on this, it's because it won't work.
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I'm fairly certain it'll work, actually, although it might require some tweaking. But, at the same time, I'm fairly certain it'll break webtop. To me, webtop >>> CM. I'm sure others feel differently. But you'll need one of those other people to work on this, because otherwise, 2nd Init ends up pretty low on my priority list.

Metamorph

Has anyone tried using any metamorphs?
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buckmarble said:
Has anyone tried using any metamorphs?
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Good idea, give people even quicker ways to softbrick their phones. Until we have an SBF, any mods are incredibly dangerous to the brick-iness of our phone.
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Adam.h.ogle said:
Good idea, give people even quicker ways to softbrick their phones. Until we have an SBF, any mods are incredibly dangerous to the brick-iness of our phone.
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This is why I was asking. Before I tried. I'm not that dumb. I don't want to brick any more than the next person does. I was hoping that someone who is more able/fluent in fixing a soft brick had tried it.
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It just doesn't work. FC every time

Adam.h.ogle said:
Good idea, give people even quicker ways to softbrick their phones. Until we have an SBF, any mods are incredibly dangerous to the brick-iness of our phone.
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Indeed, the number of people softbricking their phones is out of control... I think I may see the reason that carriers and manufacturers do not want people with superuser privileges on their phones now...

randallman said:
Indeed, the number of people softbricking their phones is out of control... I think I may see the reason that carriers and manufacturers do not want people with superuser privileges on their phones now...
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Well every other phone has an sbf out, so if you brick, eh no big deal just sbf to fix it. Were a tad screwed at the moment

randallman said:
Indeed, the number of people softbricking their phones is out of control... I think I may see the reason that carriers and manufacturers do not want people with superuser privileges on their phones now...
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If the recovery weren't signed and verified, we could flash an alternate recovery and not have to worry about any of this bricking non-sense.
In other words, it is very easy to make these devices effectively brick-proof, but we are unable to because of their silly restrictions.

TheDeathly said:
Well every other phone has an sbf out, so if you brick, eh no big deal just sbf to fix it. Were a tad screwed at the moment
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If wishes were horses.... Beggars would ride?
We don't have a SBF, so probably better to hedge your bets... I froze a couple of crapplications, but that was about it until we get the flash...
--Randall

You guys are all greedy!

I'm tired of people bashing on these devs hard work, they have given so much and all you all can do is say how unstable the ROM is, if you don't like it don't use it. Because of your greediness it appears camcory has left, he will not receive messages and his most popular ROM thread has been closed. From now on if you run into a problem with a ROM, state the problem, not you personal opinion about the ROM. Why do you all think jocala doesn't dev anymore?
I'm done ranting for now but you all need to start respecting these devs before we lose them!
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tazmaniondvl said:
I'm tired of people bashing on these devs hard work, they have given so much and all you all can do is say how unstable the ROM is, if you don't like it don't use it. Because of your greediness it appears camcory has left, he will not receive messages and his most popular ROM thread has been closed. From now on if you run into a problem with a ROM, state the problem, not you personal opinion about the ROM. Why do you all think jocala doesn't dev anymore?
I'm done ranting for now but you all need to start respecting these devs before we lose them!
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That's fine what you're saying but again, this is where I have issues. If all people want to hear is how great they are or their work is always perfect they are doing it for the wrong reasons. People who do nothing but praise are called "fanboys" and don't contribute any useful info. If people are name calling or trashing somebody's work that's different. Anytime I mention issues I am always specific with what they are.
I have mentioned my gratitude many times but if that's all that people want to hear these forums are useless.
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Like I said, state the issue nothing more. If people just stated the issue they have, then you wouldn't be hearing my rant. Its like going to McDonalds and complaining that the food isn't cooked the way you like it.
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This has been a problem on XDA for as long as I have been a member. There are a lot of people who just complain, or constantly say " fix it, fix it, fix it." Not everyone does this, but many do. Too many people forget that the Dev's are not obligated to release a rom or to even update it publicly. They do this for many different reasons. I agree state an issue, but part of the problem comes when an issue is overstated because people refuse to read. There is no reason to mention an issue 30 + times. Same goes for the questions that get repeated. Too many people want someone to come running to their aid. We were all noobs at one time, we learn by reading posts and trying ourselves. I just recently reread the rules and all of this is talked about there. I always appreciate our Developers and the work they release, even if it never leaves Alfa stage. I also appreciate the members who take the time to help others and offer good suggestions on a fix, or workaround. We should all keep in mind this question, if I were a Dev, would I want to deal with this?
End rant.
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tazmaniondvl said:
it appears camcory has left
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cam hasnt left. he was just busy dev-ing for the aoip ROM, which is very smooth and functional btw

Dvarl said:
This has been a problem on XDA for as long as I have been a member. There are a lot of people who just complain, or constantly say " fix it, fix it, fix it." Not everyone does this, but many do. Too many people forget that the Dev's are not obligated to release a rom or to even update it publicly. They do this for many different reasons. I agree state an issue, but part of the problem comes when an issue is overstated because people refuse to read. There is no reason to mention an issue 30 + times. Same goes for the questions that get repeated. Too many people want someone to come running to their aid. We were all noobs at one time, we learn by reading posts and trying ourselves. I just recently reread the rules and all of this is talked about there. I always appreciate our Developers and the work they release, even if it never leaves Alfa stage. I also appreciate the members who take the time to help others and offer good suggestions on a fix, or workaround. We should all keep in mind this question, if I were a Dev, would I want to deal with this?
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You are dead on about people harping on the same old crap all the time or saying "when is it going to be fixed?" They should just be ignored and eventually they will go away hopefully. It also doesn't help when so many senior members who had good comments to offer most of the time are now gone.
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detdett said:
cam hasnt left. he was just busy dev-ing for the aoip ROM, which is very smooth and functional btw
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I know, I have been using for awhile now
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What ever happened to Insomnia Forum? Its been down a while, and I thought there was talk of T.I. moving everything over there.
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It's true that a lot of people don't do their research before asking questions. But what I find even worse is when people respond with answers like 2 weeks or bashing the person asking the question. I find it would be easier to just ignore or direct them to q&a rather than cluttering the development threads.
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Mwas. said:
It's true that a lot of people don't do their research before asking questions. But what I find even worse is when people respond with answers like 2 weeks or bashing the person asking the question. I find it would be easier to just ignore or direct them to q&a rather than cluttering the development threads.
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Some people respond with "2 weeks" when ETAs are asked by another user, which is considered a major faux pas. I do agree however that when ETAs come up no one should respond. I also don't think anyone should be bashed however it's hard when you get some who just flat demand things and act like a Dev is asleep at the wheel or negligent for not posting a fix or update. It's hard to believe people actually will say stuff like "when you gonna fix it, huh?" Yes, that kind of English too.

It's like a hundred dswaggz going around asking them to fix the problem (originally he asked for ports, hey just saying XD)

not all noobs are bad
I think this place is great! I haven't posted much because I'm not a dev. I have little to contribute other than my testing experiences and the occasional $5.
A year ago I would have told you rooting is pointless and custom ROMs are dangerous, but I've had a hugely positive experience with XDA and the roms these devs have released. Given the wide user appeal the site offers,(remember this is something for free, rare these days,) you can't hate on the people that don't get it.
It seems like XDA draws both those that have the open source mindset, and a very small minority of people that have no idea how a cell phone works, or could change a tire for that matter. They don't know what kind of time and effort goes into software and they don't care to know. These are people that can't help themselves. They see something cool and they want it.
Remember though, this is a small portion of people, so a better statement here, I think would be "occasionally, one of you is greedy."
Just my 2 cents.
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And how hard can it be to click the thanks button? I do it for every OP when I use their ROM or their work or whatever. But when I have my own work viewed over 50 thousand times and downloaded over 1500 times, and receive 75 thanks, then have people ask if I can do this or that or fix this or that, most of THEM not clicking "thanks," I understand how frustrating it can be...
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I should add that to the op
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Most people don't care about the thanks button. I could care leas if people hit thanks. Its just not a big deal to me
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smartguy044 said:
Most people don't care about the thanks button. I could care leas if people hit thanks. Its just not a big deal to me
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You have over 3600 thanks, easy for you to say! JK .

Got to love the swapsd questions
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CM 10.1?

So I'm just curious, is there anyone taking on the Cyanogenmod 10.1 task for the HTC First? I'm not seeing a lot about it and just wanted to ask. Thanks!
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I second this. I would happily support this effort via guinea pigging and beer money.
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I second this as well. Thanks for bringing this up.

We've got at least one phenomenal dev (Jmz) working on this phone, so I would expect to see CM at some point. The kernel was just released, and prior to that, there wasn't much that could be done other than the stock rom. Despite that, he gave us Sense 4+. I don't want to speak for him, and certainly voicing a request is the best way to show interest, but I'd say be patient.
All that said, I cannot wait for CM!

chrisliphart said:
We've got at least one phenomenal dev (Jmz) working on this phone, so I would expect to see CM at some point. The kernel was just released, and prior to that, there wasn't much that could be done other than the stock rom. Despite that, he gave us Sense 4+. I don't want to speak for him, and certainly voicing a request is the best way to show interest, but I'd say be patient.
All that said, I cannot wait for CM!
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Partially I agree, but partially I don't. He said in the thread for his Sense 4+ ROM that he's currently working on another big app project and that he doesn't have the First as a priority. That's what I gathered at least, but I'm still thankful there's something out there and that he's put the time in
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sportsinger75 said:
Partially I agree, but partially I don't. He said in the thread for his Sense 4+ ROM that he's currently working on another big app project and that he doesn't have the First as a priority. That's what I gathered at least, but I'm still thankful there's something out there and that he's put the time in
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Just because its not a priority doesn't mean he's dropped it.
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Is AOSP still a problem?

Are people still getting hard aosp bricks?
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flimsy888 said:
Are people still getting hard aosp bricks?
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Until an actual problem has been found and a solution has been explained I would say yes. (HINT: Neither of these has happened).

Kraizk said:
Until an actual problem has been found and a solution has been explained I would say yes. (HINT: Neither of these has happened).
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oh shut it
no one knows for sure what caused the bricks
no one hasnt gotten bricks in months

flex360 said:
oh shut it
no one knows for sure what caused the bricks
no one hasnt gotten bricks in months
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Bite me tool. Until someone finds the issue or can confirm it is fixed/not aosp related it is a real risk

flex360 said:
oh shut it.
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Don't get this? If 99.9% of hard bricks are on CM with stock kernel there is a problem.
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Konfuzion said:
Don't get this? If 99.9% of hard bricks are on CM with stock kernel there is a problem.
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99.9% of hardbricks huh
how many people reported hard bricks ...... 4
how many people flash aosp roms 1000s

flex360 said:
99.9% of hardbricks huh
how many people reported hard bricks ...... 4
how many people flash aosp roms 1000s
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A problem's still a problem no matter how small. You tend to come across as dickish.

sshede said:
A problem's still a problem no matter how small. You tend to come across as dickish.
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so sensitive. speaking the truth is dickish nowadays huh

flex360 said:
so sensitive. speaking the truth is dickish nowadays huh
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Childish as well, but off topic. I will not continue further with you.
To the OP:
Considering that some people who flashed AOSP based roms ended up with hard bricks, I would advise against flashing AOSP based roms. However, the choice is yours.

flex360 said:
99.9% of hardbricks huh
how many people reported hard bricks ...... 4
how many people flash aosp roms 1000s
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Way more than 4, but based on your responses I will get further having a conversation with my 2 year old so I'm not going to take the time to link all the bricks.
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flimsy888 said:
Are people still getting hard aosp bricks?
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as the op asked
Are people still getting hard aosp bricks?
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short answer: no
the rest of you can talk all you want. but people are no getting hard bricks anymore
ive been running paranoid android for weeks now, as with countless other people running other aosp roms
i could care less what you guys wanna think or say
im the only one who answered the question correctly.
truth/fact/what?

I finally bit the bullet and flashed a Pac Man nightly a couple days ago. I only tooled around for an hour or so before flashing back to d3rpOne though.
Way too many soft bricks lately, but I feel like the earth-shattering-brick days with CM/AOSP are behind us.
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I flash aosp ROMs daily lol addicted but no problems...
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I am aware no official fix was ever found, I was asking if anyone had bricked in the past months.
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flimsy888 said:
I am aware no official fix was ever found, I was asking if anyone had bricked in the past months.
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In the past months is a fairly broad net. It seems to have quieted down as of late, but as always it's a "at your own risk" sort of deal. It certainly doesn't hurt to check some of the suspected problem spots if you do flash though (such as your proc min/max frequencies).

flex360 said:
as the op asked
short answer: no
the rest of you can talk all you want. but people are no getting hard bricks anymore
ive been running paranoid android for weeks now, as with countless other people running other aosp roms
i could care less what you guys wanna think or say
im the only one who answered the question correctly.
truth/fact/what?
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No you didn't, you gave limited information about a serious problem.
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I am aware no official fix was ever found, I was asking if anyone had bricked in the past months.
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Yes, I know of 1 brick. NOTE: Brick is not a term I use when a moron wipes their internal storage. Brick when I use it means the device does not charge, power on, hboot or anything else.

Kraizk said:
No you didn't, you gave limited information about a serious problem.
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Yes, I know of 1 brick. NOTE: Brick is not a term I use when a moron wipes their internal storage. Brick when I use it means the device does not charge, power on, hboot or anything else.
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please explain how i gave limited information
he asked if anyone had bricks as of lately, i said no
what else needs to be explained? did he ask what were the causes of the issue? no
you cant win this discussion. just give up.

flex360 said:
please explain how i gave limited information
he asked if anyone had bricks as of lately, i said no
what else needs to be explained? did he ask what were the causes of the issue? no
you cant win this discussion. just give up.
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Hey tool read the entire post and response. I know of one a month ago, that right there is valid enough. ALSO he did not specify a time frame in the original post, just if it was still a "problem" so yes it is a problem. You are a worthless cook and a tool, anything you say has no credibility, anybody willing to listen to you deserves anything and everything that happens to their phone.

Kraizk said:
Hey tool read the entire post and response. I know of one a month ago, that right there is valid enough. ALSO he did not specify a time frame in the original post, just if it was still a "problem" so yes it is a problem. You are a worthless cook and a tool, anything you say has no credibility, anybody willing to listen to you deserves anything and everything that happens to their phone.
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haha nice one
"a worthless cook and a tool"
i could care less about what you have to say. if you read the bottom of the op in my rom thread you can see i dont care what anyone things of me. so all this name calling and stuff are in vain man
you didnt even answer the op's question. i did
no one has gotten bricks recently lol. chill out and calm down. stop taking xda so seriously lol
go out and have some fun later tonight and release some stress. i know i got you all mad and worked up lol.

flex360 said:
haha nice one
"a worthless cook and a tool"
i could care less about what you have to say. if you read the bottom of the op in my rom thread you can see i dont care what anyone things of me. so all this name calling and stuff are in vain man
you didnt even answer the op's question. i did
no one has gotten bricks recently lol. chill out and calm down. stop taking xda so seriously lol
go out and have some fun later tonight and release some stress. i know i got you all mad and worked up lol.
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Someone got a brick recently, a month ago tops Good on ya' champ. Keep it classy