Samsung Ativ S FM RADIO ??? - Windows Phone 8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

samsung ativ s has a fmradio !!!
-when ik goto diag screen *#9999#
-then goto main menu : *#0
when i scroll arround i see this ( see picture)
and when i plugin a earphone i hear FM noise ....mmmm thats strange ?!?!
is it possible to use it ???
Me!

megasounds said:
samsung ativ s has a fmradio !!!
-when ik goto diag screen *#9999#
-then goto main menu : *#0
when i scroll arround i see this ( see picture)
and when i plugin a earphone i hear FM noise ....mmmm thats strange ?!?!
is it possible to use it ???
Me!
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It should be possible with the GDR2 update. If you've already got it you should find FM radio in the music hub as long as the phone fully supports it

IzaacJ said:
It should be possible with the GDR2 update. If you've already got it you should find FM radio in the music hub as long as the phone fully supports it
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i am allready on GDR2 ...but there is NOTHING under music+videos ;-(
...m

megasounds said:
i am allready on GDR2 ...but there is NOTHING under music+videos ;-(
...m
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Hmm, that sounds weird. I've got radio in my music hub, and I'm also on GDR2, but on a Lumia 920. Could be that there are some incompatibility with the ATIV S. Tried a hard reset? I flashed my Lumia so I got a "free" hard reset

IzaacJ said:
Hmm, that sounds weird. I've got radio in my music hub, and I'm also on GDR2, but on a Lumia 920. Could be that there are some incompatibility with the ATIV S. Tried a hard reset? I flashed my Lumia so I got a "free" hard reset
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FM Radio requires also a OEM update on top of GDR2 that adds the drivers. This was the Amber update on Nokia phones.

I've recieved ALSO OEM update post GDR2, titled as usual SAMSUNG Firmware update. And still no Data Sense, neither FM

Hmmm, that's weird. I imagine that another OEM update must be coming in order to enable FM Radio. Thanks for the diag screenshots though. Others were telling me that it was missing some board in order to have FM Radio functionality, but this pretty much proves that Samsung still hasn't included a package for it yet.

hardreset
Kopacha said:
I've recieved ALSO OEM update post GDR2, titled as usual SAMSUNG Firmware update. And still no Data Sense, neither FM
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please do a HARD RESET and you will have data sense available

Kopacha said:
I've recieved ALSO OEM update post GDR2, titled as usual SAMSUNG Firmware update. And still no Data Sense, neither FM
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What's your firmware version after the OEM update ?

dragonide said:
what's your firmware version after the oem update ?
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Here it is
Before:
After:
@megasounds, i know mate, but i don't want to lose my games saves, and overall - don't want to reinstall everything exactly now, for basically seeing and using a feature, that SHOULD'VE BEEN available normally after the update, effin Samsung.
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Oh , and btw - also when i enter Test mode (*#9999#)
and then dial through the soft touch keys there *#0
this is the message i get (after GDR2)

megasounds said:
samsung ativ s has a fmradio !!!
-when ik goto diag screen *#9999#
-then goto main menu : *#0
when i scroll arround i see this ( see picture)
and when i plugin a earphone i hear FM noise ....mmmm thats strange ?!?!
is it possible to use it ???
Me!
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I also have GDR2, and i tried this also but there was no FM noise for me....
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Kopacha said:
Here it is
Before:
View attachment 2187670
After:
View attachment 2187673
@megasounds, i know mate, but i don't want to lose my games saves, and overall - don't want to reinstall everything exactly now, for basically seeing and using a feature, that SHOULD'VE BEEN available normally after the update, effin Samsung.
Update:
Oh , and btw - also when i enter Test mode (*#9999#)
and then dial through the soft touch keys there *#0
this is the message i get (after GDR2)
View attachment 2187685
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To enter the menu under GDR2 you have to:
1.) Enter *#9999# in the Diagnosis app
2.) Tap two times on the "Back" Button on the Test Mode screen
3.) Enter *#0 Code
After that the main menu appears:
You will find the FM RADIO TEST when you navigate to:
[1] UMTS
[6] COMMON
[7] FACTORY TEST

Ikkari said:
I also have GDR2, and i tried this also but there was no FM noise for me....
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To enter the menu under GDR2 you have to:
1.) Enter *#9999# in the Diagnosis app
2.) Tap two times on the "Back" Button on the Test Mode screen
3.) Enter *#0 Code
After that the main menu appears:
You will find the FM RADIO TEST when you navigate to:
[1] UMTS
[6] COMMON
[7] FACTORY TEST
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Same here. No noise.
"Hardware Tests" app keeps on saying FM Radio is not supported on my device when I try to run a FM Radio test.
I repeat myself : it seems AtivS doesn't not have FM Radio, for the same reason it has not Bluetooth 4.0 like the Lumias
It looks like AtivS Neo will have FM Radio, not that I care about it. AtivS is a great device and Data Sense >>>>> FM Radio for me.
I never used FM Radio on my (stolen :crying htc titan

dragonide said:
AtivS is a great device and Data Sense >>>>> FM Radio for me.
I never used FM Radio on my (stolen :crying htc titan
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+1 here man.
BUT... why should we always be ****ed in some way by the Samsung's incompetence. My previous phone was Omnia 7, the one before that i8910 Omnia HD - the Symbian one. I also had a Bad (the first "Wave" device i think it was). My point being that the vicious circle of total software related incompetence and post-production software support weaknesses from Samsung. It's always this way with them - they create awesome hardware in terms of engineering (and even in that area they tend to overlook certain aspects - the "beneath the camera heating" of the Ativ, similar with the Omnia 7 before that, now the different BT Stack/FM chipset in our ATIVs). But the software part is where they got dunked. Even the Galaxy devices are filled mostly with a first party bloat and shovelware, with almost all of their "top" features are basically junk and gimmicks.
And that company is struggling for years to create and assemble a dedicated software followers and devs. Even their current line up of software for the ATIV in Samsung Zone is mediocre. Just see how many Photo related apps with a lots of overlapping features they have.
The Omnia HD device didn't had Java 2.0 mobile virutal machine out of the box. The
They had AllShare DLNA app for WP7 - but not for WP8? Reason - unknown. My reason - cuz they are aholes.
The others have an FM radio - they had it before - now - they don't! Reason - unknown. My reason - cuz they are aholes.
They tend to say they support WP, but can't cough up some money for some out-of-the box Navigation solution a-la Nokia style? Reason - Greedy, but don't want to spare a little chunk of those huge revenues the earn, to support a loyal customers like us.
They don't create or distribute (or they don't give em enough marketing impact to be recognized by the devs) in general. Instead of that focusing on all kinda of "dead-by-birth" projects like Bada, Tizen, and so on and so forth..

Kopacha said:
+1 here man.
BUT... why should we always be ****ed in some way by the Samsung's incompetence. My previous phone was Omnia 7, the one before that i8910 Omnia HD - the Symbian one. I also had a Bad (the first "Wave" device i think it was). My point being that the vicious circle of total software related incompetence and post-production software support weaknesses from Samsung. It's always this way with them - they create awesome hardware in terms of engineering (and even in that area they tend to overlook certain aspects - the "beneath the camera heating" of the Ativ, similar with the Omnia 7 before that, now the different BT Stack/FM chipset in our ATIVs). But the software part is where they got dunked. Even the Galaxy devices are filled mostly with a first party bloat and shovelware, with almost all of their "top" features are basically junk and gimmicks.
And that company is struggling for years to create and assemble a dedicated software followers and devs. Even their current line up of software for the ATIV in Samsung Zone is mediocre. Just see how many Photo related apps with a lots of overlapping features they have.
The Omnia HD device didn't had Java 2.0 mobile virutal machine out of the box. The
They had AllShare DLNA app for WP7 - but not for WP8? Reason - unknown. My reason - cuz they are aholes.
The others have an FM radio - they had it before - now - they don't! Reason - unknown. My reason - cuz they are aholes.
They tend to say they support WP, but can't cough up some money for some out-of-the box Navigation solution a-la Nokia style? Reason - Greedy, but don't want to spare a little chunk of those huge revenues the earn, to support a loyal customers like us.
They don't create or distribute (or they don't give em enough marketing impact to be recognized by the devs) in general. Instead of that focusing on all kinda of "dead-by-birth" projects like Bada, Tizen, and so on and so forth..
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If you want support Nokia is the only company to go... Not Samsung, not HTC... I only bought the Ativ S because it's running WP8 and for 200€ it's steal! And at least with WP8 I have support from Microsoft to get the OS updates

Ikkari said:
If you want support Nokia is the only company to go... Not Samsung, not HTC... I only bought the Ativ S because it's running WP8 and for 200€ it's steal! And at least with WP8 I have support from Microsoft to get the OS updates
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Same here

Here's the FM Radio test on my T899M. No error messages saying FM radio not supported.
I tried pressing a bunch of random buttons but I can't figure out how to work the test.

dragonide said:
I repeat myself : it seems AtivS doesn't not have FM Radio, for the same reason it has not Bluetooth 4.0 like the Lumias
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Well, do you know what the SoC is? The MSM8960 SoC has built-in chip with BT4 and FM. No one can remove the chip for fun. Only software support is needed to get it working because hardware it self supports it already. So the very only thing here is Samsung's will and nothing more.

ShocWave said:
Here's the FM Radio test on my T899M. No error messages saying FM radio not supported.
I tried pressing a bunch of random buttons but I can't figure out how to work the test.
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Like me. I have I8750.

ShocWave said:
Here's the FM Radio test on my T899M. No error messages saying FM radio not supported.
I tried pressing a bunch of random buttons but I can't figure out how to work the test.
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Same for me, I8750, i don't hear any noise

eshield said:
Well, do you know what the SoC is? The MSM8960 SoC has built-in chip with BT4 and FM. No one can remove the chip for fun. Only software support is needed to get it working because hardware it self supports it already. So the very only thing here is Samsung's will and nothing more.
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The Bluetooth hardware in the Lumia 820 and 920 is part of the SoC (system-on-a-chip) provided by Qualcomm. The specific version of the Snapdragon S4 used in the Lumia devices is the MSM8960 (dual core version), clocked at 1.5GHz. Specific Bluetooth support is provided by the WCN3660 "Combo Chip", which also provides WiFi and FM radio functionality, and is a piece of companion silicon to the main central processing unit. Both Bluetooth 3.1 and Bluetooth 4.0 are supported by the WCN3660.
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There are two hardware things missing from the ATIV S from Galaxy S3 !
- WCN3660/80 chip not in the ATIV S hardware spec witch gives you Bluetooth 4.0/FM Radio.
- No hardware LED notification light.
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pretty sure the lack of FM Radio is due to the absence of the WCN3660 chip (which the Lumia 920 has). Pretty sure that's tue reason why the ATIV S hasn't received Bluetooth 4.0 certification. Likely that the ATIV S will never see FM radio.
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References :
http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/15752_Nokia_Lumia_920_and_820_certif.php
http://forums.wpcentral.com/samsung-ativ-s/236214-samsung-ative-s-gdr2-disappointed.html
http://www.wpcentral.com/unlocked-samsung-ativ-s-receiving-window-phone-8-gdr2-update
Sigh.
I do know what SoC is, but there are really many many many strange things in this crazy world.

Related

What is the Galaxy S BT/GPS/FM chip?

Has anyone pulled the phone apart and read the serial number off the chip. We are trying to compair it to the US phone. If you have the info thanks Ours is a Broadcomm BCM4751 (Captivate)
Can I ask how you know the Captivate has a BCM4751 chip? Did you disassemble and see it? It appears that the Galaxy S generic being sold everywhere else outside the US has the BCM2075 chip that integrates BT and FM radios; at least that's what's being reported by others here.
If it were true that the Captivate/Fascinate/Vibrant in the US are using the BCM4751 chip, then it would truly mean these phones have no FM capability at all and there is no prospect of rooting the phone to disable a software level crippling.
This pisses me off. I was willing to forgo the front facing camera of the US versions, but the fact that they (apparently) went so far as to have samsung supply a different GPS chip to eliminate the FM radio so you are FORCED to use some ****e, data intensive service like AT&T radio instead is just outrageous. With the GPS/compass/antenna problems seemingly going ignored by samsung, maybe I won't get this phone at all.
http://www.broadcom.com/products/GPS/GPS-Silicon-Solutions/BCM2075
bugmenever said:
Can I ask how you know the Captivate has a BCM4751 chip? Did you disassemble and see it? It appears that the Galaxy S generic being sold everywhere else outside the US has the BCM2075 chip that integrates BT and FM radios; at least that's what's being reported by others here.
If it were true that the Captivate/Fascinate/Vibrant in the US are using the BCM4751 chip, then it would truly mean these phones have no FM capability at all and there is no prospect of rooting the phone to disable a software level crippling.
This pisses me off. I was willing to forgo the front facing camera of the US versions, but the fact that they (apparently) went so far as to have samsung supply a different GPS chip to eliminate the FM radio so you are FORCED to use some ****e, data intensive service like AT&T radio instead is just outrageous. With the GPS/compass/antenna problems seemingly going ignored by samsung, maybe I won't get this phone at all.
http://www.broadcom.com/products/GPS/GPS-Silicon-Solutions/BCM2075
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Well the Galaxy S might have the BCM20751 but untill someone tears down the phone and checks with their eyes. The US Captivate was torn down and it is a 4751. But the 4751 doesn't have BT on it. So it could be all the phones have a 4751 with a seprate BT and FM. The 4751 is supposed to be a better GPS unit then the BCM20751 though.
ah, I see it on the Captivate general forum now. The only teardown of the generic Galaxy S that I have seen anywhere is the original one done in Korea a month ago. The pictures from that disassembly are too low-res for me to make out chip IDs. I tried going through their video of the teardown frame by frame too, but again, I can't see the numbers clearly and I saw nothing that resembled a broadcom chip. The Captivate board layout is much different than the Galaxy S, I can't really even see where the broadcom chip should be on it either.....
You're gonna love this. On my Galaxy S, According to jupiter.xml:
<gll
LogPriMask="LOG_DEBUG"
LogFacMask="LOG_GLLAPI | LOG_NMEA"
FrqPlan="FRQ_PLAN_26MHZ_2PPM_26MHZ_300PPB"
RfType="GL_RF_4751_DANUBE"
BrcmRFwildBase="0x1E2D6409"
BrcmRFclkDiv="21"
BrcmRFclkRefHz="26000000"
pps-enable="false" pps-offset-ms="0" pps-width-ns="100"
/>
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I changed the RfType to GL_RF_2075_BRCM and it just didn't work.
Well thats good. We've accomplished something. But Broadcomm says this is the best GPS they have ever made some hopfully samsung messed up the code and we get a super good GPS.
TBH - I think we may actually be waiting on the driver from Broadcom. Something about Broadcoms reputation as an open source provider is in question.
sjdean said:
TBH - I think we may actually be waiting on the driver from Broadcom. Something about Broadcoms reputation as an open source provider is in question.
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Yeah it could deff. be broardcoms side. They better fix it.
Is the 4751 used in any other phones just want to see the performance of the gps on this chipset in other devices..
The mere fact that we have Broadcom chip for GPS and not some off brand that I've never heard before like InCrystal really, really points to a serious issue with the drivers/firmware for the GPS. The phone should be operating in MS-Based mode out of the box anyway and I don't know why it isn't. That's not the only problem it has but standalone mode is not what it should be operating in. Nearly all phones GPS' are truly the pits without network assistance.
Lots of phones use Broadcom for GPS, right off of the top of my head, the iPhone is one of them!
Well I really hope it can operate in stand alone mode reasonably well, it should be able to, I dont see why a phone couldn't. agps is mainly just for helping get locks faster at startup and possibly in areas where gps signals are weak but agps is not going to help you out of the city much etc etc.
However yeah I really hope it is a driver issue and if so broadcom and samsung need to get together or its going to drag both their names down.
Kilack said:
Well I really hope it can operate in stand alone mode reasonably well, it should be able to, I dont see why a phone couldn't. agps is mainly just for helping get locks faster at startup and possibly in areas where gps signals are weak but agps is not going to help you out of the city much etc etc.
However yeah I really hope it is a driver issue and if so broadcom and samsung need to get together or its going to drag both their names down.
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Well like I said there appears to be some other issues besides the fact that they ship in standalone mode which is awful for any phone.. aGPS is the first choice for most phones (Galaxy S is an exception I suppose!) before falling back to standalone mode which does take 2-3 minutes for a fix. Standalone GPS will always take a few minutes to get a lock, a phone certainly isn't going to perform better than a Garmin and I have yet to see one of those in standalone mode lock faster than a phone with aGPS. aGPS is for an initial fix regardless of other circumstances and it's why phones get such snappy fixes.
Ok, but I posted elsewhere that there's a whole stack of a lot happening behind the scenes, which Im not even Samsung know what's going on.
First, even in Standalone mode, you see data being streamed in the initial few seconds, so there must be something in there.
But Ok, we have:
Operation Mode under LBSTestMode - MS Based, MS Assisted, Network Provider or standalone
GPS Plus - Uses the OneXtra servers
Skyhook - Another form of AGPS
SUPL Settings
And irrespective of what you set the SUPL settings to:
Jupiter.xml - Points to both www.spirent-lcs.com as an acSuplServer then points to bcmls2.glpals.com as the LbsServer.
Then under Location and Security, we have the ability to Use Wireless Networks (using WiFi and Cellular Networks). Even if this is switched off, the phone still wants to enable Wireless and see what's out there.
So that's what, 6, perhaps 7 or even 8 seemingly different settings, different methods, of A-GPS.
No wonder the phone is getting confused.
Cya
Simon
sjdean said:
Ok, but I posted elsewhere that there's a whole stack of a lot happening behind the scenes, which Im not even Samsung know what's going on.
First, even in Standalone mode, you see data being streamed in the initial few seconds, so there must be something in there.
But Ok, we have:
Operation Mode under LBSTestMode - MS Based, MS Assisted, Network Provider or standalone
GPS Plus - Uses the OneXtra servers
Skyhook - Another form of AGPS
SUPL Settings
And irrespective of what you set the SUPL settings to:
Jupiter.xml - Points to both www.spirent-lcs.com as an acSuplServer then points to bcmls2.glpals.com as the LbsServer.
Then under Location and Security, we have the ability to Use Wireless Networks (using WiFi and Cellular Networks). Even if this is switched off, the phone still wants to enable Wireless and see what's out there.
So that's what, 6, perhaps 7 or even 8 seemingly different settings, different methods, of A-GPS.
No wonder the phone is getting confused.
Cya
Simon
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Interesting, so standalone isn't really standalone at all
I wonder if any of the problems are actually being caused by agps especially as a lot of the "fixes" by users were basically changes to the agps.
Curious....., if you google skyhook and you see how samsung and I think even apple used skyhook etc and all the big fanfare etc over it but it seems to be disabled in this phone.
and some of the fixes were to use the google location server right?
(weren't google roasted around the world for wardriving and recording wifi sites and also the data? hehe), now i know why they did it.. for location services I guess... a bit off topic but just now seeing why there were even interested in wifi sites etc.
So.. this broadcom chip... its supposed to be good? can we eliminate the hardware as being a bad gps chipset?
Other things to keep in mind when determining the chip are BT and wifi. The 2075, for example, provides bt 2.1, which rules out its presence on the SGS, unless samsung decided to install multiple bluetooth chips. So, the chip we are looking for provides either bt, version 3.0 and wifi N and GPS, or one or 2 of those 3, which makes the 4751 way more likely indeed. I also don't see a reason to change the internals of the phone.
Gps is a Qualcomm RTR6285 like desire, nexus, some blackberry.
careace.net/2010/06/09/disassembly-of-the-samsung-galaxy-s/
news.danawa.com/News_List_View.php?nModeC=4&nSeq=1742568
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Gps is a Qualcomm RTR6285 like desire, nexus, some blackberry.
careace.net/2010/06/09/disassembly-of-the-samsung-galaxy-s/
news.danawa.com/News_List_View.php?nModeC=4&nSeq=1742568
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This:
news.danawa.com/News_List_View.php?nModeC=4&nSeq=1742568
must be the korean version (hardware is diferent)
for example :
http://www.careace.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/galaxy-s-disassembly-29.jpg
http://www.danawa.com/cms/popup_image.php?url=http://img.danawa.com/cms/img/2010/07/06/14.jpg
Audio codec is the same (wolfson)
Configuration files show tha GPS chip is bcm4751 in european galaxy s (not GPS BT FM BCM20751 or BCM2075) in captive there are photos also.
it REALLY seems like a driver issue. I can get a lock within seconds in MS based mode like all other Android phones with 6 meter accuracy tracking in my car but the performance diminishes after that and the phone requires a reboot for another fix -- IF GPS doesnt cause a lock up trying to get a lock.
Anyone else notice the same behavior in MS based mode?
Sent from my SGH-T959
as i have said in the gps issue thread my settings are as they were from the factory, and at least for now my gps works, in test mode it sees 9-11 satalites, and locks 5-7 of then in about 9 secs, it even suprised me today when i was stood on my staires surrounded by brick walls it managed to get a fix.
this was however not the case with the first one i had, no matter what i tried i could not get a reasonable fix, so it seems to me like some phones are better then others, even thought they are the same phones, this is why i suggested it could be a faulty batch but that is not the case, so i have no idea why this one works and the other never.
if you want the settings: gps is set to oo
application setting
session type: tracking
test mode: s/w test
opperation mode: standalone
start mode: hot start
gps plus: on
dynamic accuracy: on
accuracy: 50
skyhook: off
use pc tool: off
supl/cp setting
sever fqdn: custom
server: www.sprint-lcs.com
server port: 7275
supl secure socket: on
agps mode: supl
hope these can be of use for someone, please note im in the uk.
edit: just tested out my window and got 8 found / 8 locked satalites in 12 secs
Things are getting even more weird...
I was browsing around in the jupiter.xml file shipped in the JP2 firmware and found what I suspect must be a a typo:
arp-supl-reaiding-time-sec = "1200"
Shouldn't that be: arp-supl-reading-time-sec = "1200" ?
With all that mucking about with wads of configuration files and a bazillion places where (conflicting) settings can be made, this doesn't exactly make me feel better about the reliability of AGPS on this device.
edit: nah, probably not a typo (read as 're-aiding', duh) but an unfortunate name choice anyway. At least it appears consistent with what the app is expecting.

[Q] how to get neighbor cell id info

hello,
I just found that i9000 cannot provide neighbor cid info, anybody can help me on this? I'm wondering why samsung doesn't support this function. looks like they block the information.
do you know where we can enable this function?
Thanks,
the post was the one from other forum
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Re: Retrieve every Neighbor CID on Android Platform
by reto.koenig » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:17 pm
Hello,
I am a professor in computer science and I am currently holding Android lessons.
My students and I, we are working on several Android-Phones and we verified the same code including getNeighboringCellInfo() on HTC-Magic (2.2), Nexus-One (2.2.2), Motorola-Milestone(2.1), Samsung Galaxy S (2.1 / 2.2).
And guess what: Samsung Galaxy S NEVER returns any neighboring cells. Neither on Android 2.1 nor on Android 2.2.
This circumstance is very nasty, as even Google-Maps expects this information and hence always shows a wrong result when positioning relies on the cell-ids.
So if you need the knowledge of the neighboring cells (which indeed augments the positioning) do not use a Samsung.
Sorry for the bad news.
feny_lf said:
hello,
I just found that i9000 cannot provide neighbor cid info, anybody can help me on this? I'm wondering why samsung doesn't support this function. looks like they block the information.
do you know where we can enable this function?
Thanks,
the post was the one from other forum
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Re: Retrieve every Neighbor CID on Android Platform
by reto.koenig » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:17 pm
Hello,
I am a professor in computer science and I am currently holding Android lessons.
My students and I, we are working on several Android-Phones and we verified the same code including getNeighboringCellInfo() on HTC-Magic (2.2), Nexus-One (2.2.2), Motorola-Milestone(2.1), Samsung Galaxy S (2.1 / 2.2).
And guess what: Samsung Galaxy S NEVER returns any neighboring cells. Neither on Android 2.1 nor on Android 2.2.
This circumstance is very nasty, as even Google-Maps expects this information and hence always shows a wrong result when positioning relies on the cell-ids.
So if you need the knowledge of the neighboring cells (which indeed augments the positioning) do not use a Samsung.
Sorry for the bad news.
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Well this probably doesn't help with the lousy GPS performance. Have you informed Samsung about the issue?
No. I don't know how to reach Samsung to raise the issues. Maybe XDA forum here can help on it?
Is it something like that ?
yes...
How did you get that ?
Are you on a Galaxy S ?
Benjamin Dobell said:
Well this probably doesn't help with the lousy GPS performance. Have you informed Samsung about the issue?
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Try the app called SGS Info, should be on the market.
a.steroid said:
yes...
How did you get that ?
Are you on a Galaxy S ?
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Try that:
-type *#*#197328640#*#* in dialer
You will enter in service mode, then:
-debug screen
-neighbour cell
Tested on ma Galaxy S with Froyo 2.2
Soo it can be done...
-Do u know any application which can give these informations (without passing execution to the system) ?
-Can u identify the system process which gave these informations when u enter the "magic" code ?
thanks. yes, we can get it via "debug screen".
Do you know how we can get it through android api? can we dev some app to get the neighbor cell info by ourselves? thanks
Do you know how we find the neighbor cell info from Code on Galaxy S? If we root the mobile phone, any configuration we can change?
thanks
I'm having the same issue: on 3 different samsung devices: Galaxy TAB, Galaxy S and Galaxy Mini...
Shame on Samsung!
With Nexus S as well, there's no debug menu for NS.
Samsung galaxy S2
My S2 displays cell info using the service mode key sequence *#197328640#. However, the level of detail is disappointing. No time advance for GSM and no cell Ids for neighbouring cells. This is due to the coding or implementation of the low level api (or transceiver driver) in the Samsung I believe, so that telephony classes do not include methods for getting more detail, so programmers can do nothing.
I have written cell tracking software for Symbian phones, and their CTelephony class is also quite limited, with no neighbouring cell id's or TA either. In fact, no frequency channels are available either. However, the famous Nokia FTD has access to these (via access to lower level API or driver) , but ironically not to the neighbour cell IDs either.
The only phone that displays neighbour cell IDs that I can find is the Blackberry, (v4. and higher). In fact ironically it has a better FTD than Nokia, since it also includes a BTS test facility that is menu driven for forcing a phone onto a specific channel or cell. The Nokia FTD does incorporate a BTS test but it is not as well implemented in my view.

[Q] Is there any Rom except SE original that has ANT+ working?

I want to use ANT+ with some newer rom and not with the original SonyEricson version, but so far i couldn't fine any.
Latest try was the: MiniCM9-3.0.0 [1/4/12]ICS 4.0.4/CM9 port for the Χ8 by nobodyAtall with his ICS nAa kernel.
It looked promissing, because I could download the ANT Radio Services from Play Store, but as soon as i start an ANT+ enabled program I get messages like:
(ANT+ Demo)
Enabling ANT...
Enable ANT ->
(ANT+ Bike display Demo)
ANT radio not enabled
So it looks like it claims radio is there and functioning, but it doesn't work.
Any thoughts? Otherwise I'll have to go back (again, tried couple times already with different version) to old SE rom.
(The MiniCM9-3.0.0 looks great although battery drain is awful.)
Just as a general statement that applies to every ROM that's being developed from source ...
- Developers can't fix things where the required hardware for testing is missing.
- Developers won't fix things they don't use at all.
In short: Custom ROMs are being made by privateers in their spare-time. None of us is a employee of some smartphone manufacturer having access to tons of testing equipment or having someone to pay the bill for buying crap to conducts tests with.
On topic: Up till today the people I saw posting about ANT+ can be counted easily by just using the fingers of one hand ... so it's safe to assume that none of us actually owns a ANT+ gadget or makes use of it.
Just to make sure, i'm only asking for information.
About your statements:
Developers can't fix things where the required hardware for testing is missing:
The ANT+ radio is available in most Sony Ericson phones, you just need to install the drivers, and the demo programs.
You don't need to buy a heart rate monitor to see if it works.
In the case of the roms i tried, they either didn´t recognise ANT+ or the driver didn't initialize correctly.
Developers won't fix things they don't use at all:
No problem, I'll try to look into it myself.
On topic: ANT+ is one of the coolest things Sony Ericson implemented in their mobile phones.
At least for anyone that has a (Garmin) heart rate monitor with ANT+.
With your phone and ANT+ heart rate monitor you have a cheaper more flexible GPS/heart rate monitor device than you can buy from any company's and can make phone calls.
Ant+ Rom
I haven't verified that it is working, but MiniCM7 claims to have working Ant+. Unfortunately, I can't use it because it requires the nAa Kernel and I can't unlock my bootloader because my phone is the 11W29 model.
If I find a way to safely unlock the bootloader I'll definitely be giving MiniCM7 a try. Other than lacking the ANT+, I'm really happy GingerDX.
If you find any way to get it working, please post the info.
hi guys,
have you managed to get ANT working on any rom? I'm trying to use it on a ray with iced bean 3.0, but it's just saying enabling ant and after a while switches to enable ant. I mention, I have installed the ant radio service ant ant demo from play. an tried to activate with the demo.
thanks.

[Q] Camera problem, what do you think

hey guys im new on this wp8 forum (old android user) i bought an ativ S from a dude i met once... i knew this had a problem with the camera, i just realized that the back camera is the only one with the problem, ive been reading posts and i tried everything to make it work, but i allways got the same, it doesnt start correctly, i press the camera button or use the camera icon, but its allways the same, the 1st start its like it close so quickly at the 2nd try it keep the screen black, i only see the icons, and an arrow to swipe and see the pics i toke (with the front camera and a 3rd party app) but it close in around 10 seconds... idk what to do... i tought maybe was something about and update (a past one) but few days ago i got an update (not grd2, a minor one) but nothing... i still have the problem... what do you guys think... its a hardware problem or maybe software?... ireally love this cellphone and i dont wanna stop using it
If third-party apps can use the main (rear) camera, then it's not a hardware problem; you could try hard-resetting the phone and seeing if that helps.
If even third-party apps can't use the rear camera, it's either a hardware or firmware problem. Since this is the first I've heard of you particular issue, and since an update didn't fix it, that suggests a hardware problem (it *could* be firmware if you have some weird non-stock firmware on there; what version info do you have in settings->about->more info?). If it's a hardware problem, replacing the phone (or just living with the meh but usable front-facing camera, I guess) is your only real option.
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If third-party apps can use the main (rear) camera, then it's not a hardware problem; you could try hard-resetting the phone and seeing if that helps.
If even third-party apps can't use the rear camera, it's either a hardware or firmware problem. Since this is the first I've heard of you particular issue, and since an update didn't fix it, that suggests a hardware problem (it *could* be firmware if you have some weird non-stock firmware on there; what version info do you have in settings->about->more info?). If it's a hardware problem, replacing the phone (or just living with the meh but usable front-facing camera, I guess) is your only real option.
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thank you for your answer, =)
uhmmm, as you say i only can use the back camera with an 3rd party app, because when i try to open the pre installed camera app it close...and the camera icons appera in a gray color... except the arrow to see the taken pics, that appear in white...
i discovered some other ppl who had the same problem, :/
oh oh ok. my telephone info is...
Os version: 8.0.10327.77
firmware:2212.13.6.1
hadware: 15.3.1.0
trans soft: 2212.13.6.1
trans hardw: 0.0.0.0
(i actually dont know how to translate this from spanish): 13.04.19.21
SOC chip version: 1.5.32
this is the info i got, before uodating it, the number were almost the same :/
mmmm i remeber when the update was almost ending it was like 1/5 complete... then 2/5 complete... and after that the phone started...what i mean is that there was no 3/5 4/5 or 5/5 steps...
man so you are telling me i wouldnt be abble to replace just the camera, if is a hardware problem??? oh jesus =( i really love this cellphone i dont wanna lose it =(
thank you for your answer my friend =)
First of all: you have GDR2 and the most current firmware that I know of for the SGH-T899M. The line you couldn't translate is "bootloader" (the code that starts, or "boot-straps", the operating system). Your version numbers are identical to mine.
My rear camera works fine, though. Since third-party apps also work, you either have bad firmware somehow (doubtful, especially after the update) or there's something wrong with the Camera app on the phone (more likely). Unfortunately, the only way I know of to fix the latter problem is to re-install the OS (which a hard reset will, or at least should, do).
Replacing just one component, like the camera, is very difficult on a compact device like a modern smartphone. It might be possible, but the cost might not be worth it. On the other hand, if the phone is still under warranty, you should be able to replace for free.
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First of all: you have GDR2 and the most current firmware that I know of for the SGH-T899M. The line you couldn't translate is "bootloader" (the code that starts, or "boot-straps", the operating system). Your version numbers are identical to mine.
My rear camera works fine, though. Since third-party apps also work, you either have bad firmware somehow (doubtful, especially after the update) or there's something wrong with the Camera app on the phone (more likely). Unfortunately, the only way I know of to fix the latter problem is to re-install the OS (which a hard reset will, or at least should, do).
Replacing just one component, like the camera, is very difficult on a compact device like a modern smartphone. It might be possible, but the cost might not be worth it. On the other hand, if the phone is still under warranty, you should be able to replace for free.
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GDR2??? are you sure my friend?? ive reading and that update come with the Radio app, some camera features and other... but nothing :/ i just got some options in settings and that was all, i even cant download or instal Ativ beam (i dont find it on the store, and when i try to do a manual install it say that is not compatible) and i heard that app is only for the last update
my cellphone is canadian i think, because the company is ROGERS, and i live in peru, so i cant use the warranty or something
i will try to save some of my info, and i will do another hard reset
Do you think there would be a tool for a diagnosis?? i mean conecting my cellphone to a PC in DOWNLOAD MODE or something???
i swear i wont rest till i fix it :'(
again, thank you very much for your time.
P.D: let me show you what the camera looks like for a while
Yes, build 10327.77 is GDR2. Your phone is a SGH-T899M, same as mine; GDR2, along with an interim update ("Amber" maybe?) and a Samsung firmware update, was pushed out to all Canadian SGH-T899M handsets (including those operating in other countries, like yours and mine) a couple days ago.
ATIV Beam installs fine for me; it's probably a region lock and not a matter of device compatibility.
Samsung is reported to have cheapened out on the radio chips for the SGH-T899M, and not included the one needed for FM.
Data Sense (assuming your carrier offers it) is supposedly included, but due to <REDACTED>-up update process, you have to hard-reset to use it (how the *HELL* did that make it through testing? That's supposed to be exactly the sort of BS that those months-long and tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars of testing per-update are supposed to find! Bloody incompetents...)
There's an app called Diagnosis embedded in your phone's firmware; you can install and launch it by typing either ##634# or ##3424# (MFG or DIAG) into the phone's dialer. Check the relevant thread here about dialer codes and diagnosis apps for some examples of things you can do with it (among other things, test the cameras). However, if the camera is working in third-party apps, I doubt that test will find anything. As I said, that indicates a software problem. Hard reset is the only really likely fix for that, if you can't get Samsung to service it. Flashing a stock ROM would probably work too, but I don't know that we have either the ROM nor the flashing tool needed for doing that.
GoodDayToDie said:
Yes, build 10327.77 is GDR2. Your phone is a SGH-T899M, same as mine; GDR2, along with an interim update ("Amber" maybe?) and a Samsung firmware update, was pushed out to all Canadian SGH-T899M handsets (including those operating in other countries, like yours and mine) a couple days ago.
ATIV Beam installs fine for me; it's probably a region lock and not a matter of device compatibility.
Samsung is reported to have cheapened out on the radio chips for the SGH-T899M, and not included the one needed for FM.
Data Sense (assuming your carrier offers it) is supposedly included, but due to <REDACTED>-up update process, you have to hard-reset to use it (how the *HELL* did that make it through testing? That's supposed to be exactly the sort of BS that those months-long and tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars of testing per-update are supposed to find! Bloody incompetents...)
There's an app called Diagnosis embedded in your phone's firmware; you can install and launch it by typing either ##634# or ##3424# (MFG or DIAG) into the phone's dialer. Check the relevant thread here about dialer codes and diagnosis apps for some examples of things you can do with it (among other things, test the cameras). However, if the camera is working in third-party apps, I doubt that test will find anything. As I said, that indicates a software problem. Hard reset is the only really likely fix for that, if you can't get Samsung to service it. Flashing a stock ROM would probably work too, but I don't know that we have either the ROM nor the flashing tool needed for doing that.
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incompetents!!! hell yeah!!! !
my friend are you some kind of wizard or something??, while you were writting it, i was doing a hard reset, and now i have data sense... and oh thats why i cant have ativ beam (NFS in WP devices suxs ass hell, i cant send anything) and... Doesnt have a FM radio???!!! SAMSUNG are you serious?!?!?!?...
i did the ##364# and i got the diagnosis item, thats how i noticed that the front cam worked fine and the "megacam" (front one) doesnt work... (i used the *#0*# code) plus the camera LED doesnt work either
oh well , after the hard reset i just got all my data lost n_n; , but you know... the frontcamera still doesnt work... tell me truth im already FU*beeeep*d ,am i?
i really want to believe that this have a solution...at least a non invasive solution...
I actually have the same issue. Before installing the updates from MS and Samsung the camera worked perfectly. When I updated my phone and did the hard reset, the camera behaves like you say, either a black screen or back to home screen. I called Samsung and they say it is most likely that the update did not install correctly. Though they talk rubbish sometimes as they also told me to update through zune........that doesn't even support WP8..
So flashing a stock rom "might" fix the issue. :fingers-crossed:

FM radio not working

Hey guys. So I have the Australian LGV40 lmv405ebw model. Doesn't come with the FM radio pre installed so I installed the stock FM radio and next radio but it's not working whatsoever. Gsm arena said it's FM compatible but it's not working. Is there any way to enable the hardware so I can utilise it cause this was one of the reasons I purchased it?
Disappointing cause I do travel occasionally to remote areas with no coverage and it's so handy.
Stevo001457 said:
Hey guys. So I have the Australian LGV40 lmv405ebw model. Doesn't come with the FM radio pre installed so I installed the stock FM radio and next radio but it's not working whatsoever. Gsm arena said it's FM compatible but it's not working. Is there any way to enable the hardware so I can utilise it cause this was one of the reasons I purchased it?
Disappointing cause I do travel occasionally to remote areas with no coverage and it's so handy.
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Typically, headphones must be plugged in so that the natural antenna action of the headphone wire can be used for reception
Sent from my LM-V405 using Tapatalk
Tried that, to no avail. I'm aware of that. Used next radio and stock FM radio which I downloaded manually.
Stevo001457 said:
Hey guys. So I have the Australian LGV40 lmv405ebw model. Doesn't come with the FM radio pre installed so I installed the stock FM radio and next radio but it's not working whatsoever. Gsm arena said it's FM compatible but it's not working. Is there any way to enable the hardware so I can utilise it cause this was one of the reasons I purchased it?
Disappointing cause I do travel occasionally to remote areas with no coverage and it's so handy.
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Atleast the European V405EBW has the FM module disabled (for whatever reason), so i guess its the same for the australian :/
Some US models have it enabled though. You can typically check from your bootloader kernel commandline ( /proc/cmdline , needs root to read) if its supported in HW or not.
SGCMarkus said:
Atleast the European V405EBW has the FM module disabled (for whatever reason), so i guess its the same for the australian :/
Some US models have it enabled though. You can typically check from your bootloader kernel commandline ( /proc/cmdline , needs root to read) if its supported in HW or not.
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Yeah I think it's exactly the same as the European models. I've heard the US models have it enabled. Is there a possibility to enable it myself?
Stevo001457 said:
Yeah I think it's exactly the same as the European models. I've heard the US models have it enabled. Is there a possibility to enable it myself?
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Its disabled in hardware... except you find out where to solder what exactly, i dont think theres a possibility (bootloader reports that fm isnt supported on the v405ebw, theres a kernel commandline appended for that)
I tried to use it in Lineage, didnt work (had FM stuff added in LOS16, then fm stuff broke in 17, didnt readd it yet), but worked on the US models
So i guess you would need todo some serious soldering or change the motherboard ?

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