I keep thinking, we'll have convergence on the Bionic. On stock, it already had convergence, but with hardware acceleration and a stable build, we could get performance similar to that of a Chromebook in a Phone. In addition, we can dual boot, so we have Android AND Ubuntu. Is anyone else excited about it, or is it just me who's a fan of convergence?
Convergence could be very cool
I would love to see Ubuntu on any phone. The Ubuntu Edge idea looks awesome, but I think having the ability to use my Android phone and then run Ubuntu by connecting to a tv or monitor would make my phone even more useful.
Someone smarter than me should make it happen!
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having the ability to use my Android phone and then run Ubuntu by connecting to a tv or monitor would make my phone even more useful.
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Gingerbread on the Bionic did this, with webtop (2.0?). The original/stock build was quite clunky and slow, but a very cool idea. Some people even stripped the build down, added in the rest of the arm build of Ubuntu, set up swap partitions, and ended up with amazing and ideal setups.
I would love to see this idea come back around in android devices. Alas, chroot with vnc is the closest to that dream at the moment.
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I was wondering if dual booting would be possible on our phone? I've seen that the HD2 got winmo + android boot... But having some kind of Stable partition and a second "dev" one would be quite amazing...
Thanks!
I asked the same question, and my post was moved to Q and A. Most responses were that WinMo is not worthy of the hardware. WP7 didn't attract quite the same disdain.
I would really love to run WP7 on the captivate, and I think eventually someone will make it happen. I think WinMo would run amazingly smooth, but I doubt we'll ever find out.
The HD2 won't quite run android ROMs, you have to boot into WinMo, then restart in Android, but it is really easy to swap what "ROM" you are using. If the HD2 was capable of AT&T 3G, I would have one by now.
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Yes please to WP7 on Captivate. If nothing else i want to be able to run it for a few days to see how I like that new software. And check out the Xbox Live integration
yes, i only have one phone but would like to learn to do some basic development and it would be nice to have a stable rom to switch back to on the fly. i've had problems using nandroid and titanium backup. if anyone knows of a way to change to or add a secondary boot loader so multiple os's can be launched that would be awesome.
minmo might be a bit impractical but multiple android installations would be cool sweet.
Ok.. well get a checklist started on what you would need:
A custom bootloader that would work with the Captivate.. And I'm sure people would want the choice to pick the OS upon bootup instead of having to go into the recovery screen and booting up from there.
It would also have to be compatible with working Android and Win7
Someone would then have to find the source code to Win7 - or at least the SDK for it and develop in whatever language its written in.
Then someone would have to code the drivers for the Captivate and Win7 mobile.
Pretty much.. it wouldn't be any type of "take n' bake" task and would be quite the project involving a ton of work.
I'm sure someone out there in the world will come up with it.. I mean someone took the time to port Android to the iPhone - so it "could" happen.. but most likely won't due to the huge amount of work it will take.
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Ok.. well get a checklist started on what you would need:
A custom bootloader that would work with the Captivate.. And I'm sure people would want the choice to pick the OS upon bootup instead of having to go into the recovery screen and booting up from there.
It would also have to be compatible with working Android and Win7
Someone would then have to find the source code to Win7 - or at least the SDK for it and develop in whatever language its written in.
Then someone would have to code the drivers for the Captivate and Win7 mobile.
Pretty much.. it wouldn't be any type of "take n' bake" task and would be quite the project involving a ton of work.
I'm sure someone out there in the world will come up with it.. I mean someone took the time to port Android to the iPhone - so it "could" happen.. but most likely won't due to the huge amount of work it will take.
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At least there's a Samsung Omnia 7. It has a 4" SAMOLED like ours. I hope it has more in common with us as well so it would make the process easier.
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At least there's a Samsung Omnia 7. It has a 4" SAMOLED like ours. I hope it has more in common with us as well so it would make the process easier.
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if winmo gets ported great, if not oh well, if you read the op it was not to get winmo but just used the hd2 as an example of dual boot on a phone. a boot loader is a starting point so can the topic go in that direction? i just dont want naysayers to get confused and tell us every reason we wont get or dont want winmo.
You cannot just take the source code for WP7. It is not open source. You can port android to things, but not the other way around.
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You cannot just take the source code for WP7. It is not open source. You can port android to things, but not the other way around.
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As Dani897 said, the thread is not about porting WP7 to our phone, but just having dual boot to be able to have (lets say) one stable rom and one dev rom on the same phone...
seriously want this to happen figure it out
Hey guys,
Does anyone know if there is a way to compile source code right on the device? I remember some people asking for this way back in the day but it wasn't really practical on such small devices. With a xoom and a bt keyboard though, it's almost as easy as using a regular laptop. I know there are a few different compilers for the iphone(c, c++, java) so I'm sure it is possible. I haven't seen anything but perhaps I'm just looking in the wrong places.
Thanks,
Samuel Maskell
so I'll take that as a no..
I'd love to work on this but I wouldn't really know where to start
I do have some programming experience
but I don't really know anything about how compilers are made
besides a basic overview we did in my computer architecture course
In theory, if you rooted and installed ubuntu, you could install the dev toolchain/eclipse. But it's crappy enough on 2gb of memory, 1gb on the xoom would be ridiculous.
I installed Ubuntu/eclipse on my cr48. It's barely usable.
Developing for android requires a desktop.
That being said, sometimes I make small code changes and build from the cli on my cr48.
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so I'll take that as a no..
I'd love to work on this but I wouldn't really know where to start
I do have some programming experience
but I don't really know anything about how compilers are made
besides a basic overview we did in my computer architecture course
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Yeah, I really don't see eclipse running very well on a xoom
It doesn't even run that well on my desktop with 4gb of ram and 3.2ghz 6-core processor
like you said, developing for android requires a desktop
but I wasn't really thinking about making android apps on the xoom(although that would be awesome)
I'm mostly just thinking of simple cli programs
something like this would be great
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BDylxLzUEM
Edit: skip to about 1 minute in. the first part is just him writing the code on his desktop and then copying the source file over to his iphone. I don't see any reason why he couldn't have written the code on his iphone though
Your best bet would be to setup a box (with your compiler) somewhere and SSH in. Edit file locally, push to box, SSH in, compile, pull results back.
If you don't have a *nix box handy, you can try something like Slicehost.
that's actually not a bad plan
I use my school's computers to compile things through ssh sometimes anyways
still, I think would be pretty cool to compile right on the device
if it can be done for iphone, it can (and should) be done for android
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that's actually not a bad plan
I use my school's computers to compile things through ssh sometimes anyways
still, I think would be pretty cool to compile right on the device
if it can be done for iphone, it can (and should) be done for android
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So you can compile applications using the NDK, but you still have to be on a non-Xoom box to do this.
In theory, it should be possible for you to cross-compile gcc for arm and push that to the xoom to do your compiling there. This is a bit more complicated, however, as you can't just specify --ARCH=arm to gcc's ./configure script.
Well I played with my first android device for a while now (Nook Color of course) and I really like the device but to be honest am not too impressed with android. I tried a rooted stock rom and more recently cyanogenmod7 but I am not that impressed. I guess I was not really sure what to expect with the android experience.
What I would like to do is get something more like a "real" gnu/linux distro installed (with a touch screen interface of course). Is this possible at all? I know debian has an Arm port that supports this kind of CPU but what about drivers for the screen and other components?
It seems to me that getting a booting os should be as simple as installing U-boot or something and just compiling the kernel to fit the hardware..
Thanks!
/mrintegrity
In my opinion, the Nook Color isn't the greatest example of android, most of the roms available aren't so stable and none of them run a "real" honeycomb, which is how android is supposed to be on tablets (Ever used a Xoom? The Honeycomb GUI coupled with great hardware is much, much smoother and user-friendly than the Nook's "phone" GUI scaled up.) Also, the hardware in the Nook Color is somewhat lacking even compared to some mid-range android phones;things just aren't as smooth as they should be and the user experience is seriously degraded as a result. Don't let this very hacky device turn you off from android entirely.
I don't know much about Linux distros, but this seems relevant to your interests. These developers seem to be pretty far in their work on Ubuntu. Looking at the screenshots, it looks great! However, this linked thread is old;you may want to find a more up to date place but this will hopefully point you in the right direction. (Hopefully work didn't cease!)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=899037
Unfortunately the Ubuntu on NC project appears to be long dead.
I'd also love to see someone getting a working linux distro on this device, and I'd love to help, but I don't have near enough knowledge on the subject to do it myself.
I am going to give it a shot getting a debian kernel up and running.. I wonder if the display works with a straight VESA driver?
/m
Just out of curiosity, what is it about Android you don't like?
Good question.. it just doesn't feel like unix (because it really isnt). I was probably a bit missguided in my beleifes.. that if it was a "linux box" (the hardware) you could more or less install any distro on it you want. I'm seriously considering trying to put u-boot on it and load up a debian arm kernel and gnu userspace.. no idea how it will work though if there are missing drivers etc.
/mr
Ubuntu on the Nook Color is a cool trick, and a testament to the power of open source software. That said, its basically a tech demo.
In my opinion Ubuntu is at least a revision away from having it so that the entire interface can be driven by touch. The extensions needed to do that are in heavy development. Even if Ubuntu was ready 100% for touch screens, the Nook lacks the power to take advantage of that. A Nook Color only has 512mb of RAM (any Netbook has more), and out-of-order 1.1GHz CPU (aka Celeron would eat it for breakfast), and a lacking set of hardware drivers.
If you want to actually USE the Nook Color, Android is the only option. You should try the soon-to-be-released final release of CM7 with tablet tweaks before giving up, I find it makes the Nook Color a much better device.
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If you want to actually USE the Nook Color, Android is the only option. You should try the soon-to-be-released final release of CM7 with tablet tweaks before giving up, I find it makes the Nook Color a much better device.
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Lets be fair - tablet tweaks adds some buttons, but it certainly doesn't change much of the experience. it nice, but the system works the same.
That said, i would love a linux build running on the nook, simply for the sheer neatness of it. I will also say that for a lightweight linux build, 512MB of ram is more than enough, though yes, the CPU may be perhaps lacking a bit. Still would be fun to try...
Hi all, i know this is a far fetched qustion but i am hoping this is possible or hackable at least is there anyway for me to boot any android os into a laptop g.b h.c or ics that would be amazing..??!!!
Yes its possible. I didnt pay much attention to it but Asus posted something about it on facebook a few weeks back. They had a working version of Android on certain laptop models that people could try out but it was limited to few models. I think you had to make a partition or make a boot disk/usb to do so though. ill try n google for it.
Edit: Found this - http://www.android-x86.org/download Only works for some laptops/netbooks though
yeah i found this yesterday i have a amd and gigabyte m.b. and not one worked almost got it but failed!! thanks man!!!
you could also install and run ICS in virtual box. Works like a charm.
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i could never get it to work dude i guess i just don't have the right version or something i am not sure what one i need.. would like a netbook with ics on it
Saw a Video of The Razr with ICS using webtop on youtube. It seems smoother and it looks alot like ics now. I guess u can always wait until Bionic gets ics and u find a cheap lapdock o.o
there's always Android virtual emulator SDK if you don't mind the speed lol
What type of settings should be used when setting up VirtualBox for Android?
Also, there's many different downloads available of the Android ISO, they seem to be designed for different chipsets... can VirtualBox accomodate all of them?
For example, for the 4.0 RC1 there's one for AMD Brazos, one for ASUS Laptops, ASUS Eee PCs, etcetera.
This may not be the right place to ask all these questions... but if the answer is simple it'd be appreciated!
I don't know if anyone has found this one yet, but I know that I will give my Ubuntu a nice overhaul look.
http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu...he-android-ics-4-0-look-with-ice-cream-shell/
dude that's awesome might have to give it a try !!
I will be getting a TouchPad in the next few days for around 100$, and I was wondering what kind of stuff I should look into if I just simply refuse to use it stock.
I have plenty of experience with Android Roms, and have done quite a number on my Nook Color, Milestone X (The non-Verizon Droid X), and my old HTC Hero.
But after browsing these forums and sub-forums a bit, I realized that there are just so many different choices when it comes to what your TouchPad is running.
I have seen Ubuntu and many different versions of linux, android, windows, and even just enhancing webOS.
What are the best choices and resources to get stared with? So I don't turn my new tablet into a cutting board.
LOL Cutting board...Nice
As far as Android is concerned we have CM9...which is pretty awesome...most nightlies are very stable...they have all the main mods and features....then we have AOKP, which is a kang on CM9 and we have other similar roms..most of them are kanged from CM9....There is ClassicNerd rom, which is not kanged from CM9, its faster but less features...
You can find most stuff related to Android or ubuntu dev here or rootzwiki...
WebOS enhancement can found here http://forums.webosnation.com/
Thanks, Viny.
Do you think you could point me in the direction of where I can get this "HP Doctor" thing explained?
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Thanks, Viny.
Do you think you could point me in the direction of where I can get this "HP Doctor" thing explained?
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Buddy, for all the tweaks and mods for Webos, read this guide it has links to webOS doctor and easy instructions on how to use it..
I'm pretty curious about the Touchpad too. They're not as cheap here in europe, but I found a 32GB model for 260 Euros. I've fallen in love with the glossy black surfaces already and I'm dying to get my hands on one.
Is it a good idea? I'm dying to try out WebOS but at the same time, wanting to experience Android on a tablet. So this sounds like a perfect device.
What functionality do I gain if I load CM9 onto it as well? Can I attach external storage devices or a mouse via USB?
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I'm pretty curious about the Touchpad too. They're not as cheap here in europe, but I found a 32GB model for 260 Euros. I've fallen in love with the glossy black surfaces already and I'm dying to get my hands on one.
Is it a good idea? I'm dying to try out WebOS but at the same time, wanting to experience Android on a tablet. So this sounds like a perfect device.
What functionality do I gain if I load CM9 onto it as well? Can I attach external storage devices or a mouse via USB?
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with CM9/android, you get whole lot f functionality man. CM9/ICS on touchpad has most of the functionality except camera..and some audio issues...Once you go android, u might not go back to webos....
I highly recommend AOKP and ArchLinuxARM.
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What's the difference between AOKP and CM 9? I've installed CM9 and I'm pretty amazed so far. Just the problem with the much, webcam, and some, sound issues but otherwise, I love it.
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