Will Verizon Variant need specific roms or will these cross over easily? Just wondering if The Verizon version will be developed seperately like sprint or like att/tmo
Since the Sprint variant is behind by a bit, the Verizon one will probably have separate ROMs since it is CDMA.
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If we are lucky it will be the same as the Sprint version. I would not expect the GSM roms to be compatible.
Knowing Verizon, it might have an encrypted bootloader, which means no roms at all until someone cracks it.
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Hey all,
I'm looking at purchasing a Moto X (possibly two, if my wife replaces her iPhone...). I'm currently not tied to any particular carrier, but I'd like to keep my options as open as possible. I'm going to buy the phone/s at full price, and then bring them to whatever carrier/service/MVNO I end up with.
From what I understand so far, there are two basic models of the Moto X -- one for Verizon (CDMA), and one for GSM-based networks.
Here's my basic question: What's the difference between these phones??
The Verizon website lists the Moto X as a 'global' phone, which implies that it has a GSM radio in it, right?
If so, does that imply that the 'Tmobile' (or otherwise GSM-based) Moto X has a CDMA radio?
Then, as if I'm not confused enough, I find the 'Developer' edition of the Moto X... in two versions -- one for Verizon, and the other for 'GSM'. The developer edition provides an unlockable bootloader... cool, I'm a fan of that! But!! Isn't the Moto X part of the Motorola Bootloader Unlock program? It is (hxxps://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215)... so what's the difference between the 'Developer' edition, and the regular edition?
I'm sorry if these are silly questions -- but I've spent at least an hour Googling today, and didn't find any answers that I found conclusive. Thanks for any help you can give!!
Spirotot said:
Hey all,
I'm looking at purchasing a Moto X (possibly two, if my wife replaces her iPhone...). I'm currently not tied to any particular carrier, but I'd like to keep my options as open as possible. I'm going to buy the phone/s at full price, and then bring them to whatever carrier/service/MVNO I end up with.
From what I understand so far, there are two basic models of the Moto X -- one for Verizon (CDMA), and one for GSM-based networks.
Here's my basic question: What's the difference between these phones??
The Verizon website lists the Moto X as a 'global' phone, which implies that it has a GSM radio in it, right?
If so, does that imply that the 'Tmobile' (or otherwise GSM-based) Moto X has a CDMA radio?
Then, as if I'm not confused enough, I find the 'Developer' edition of the Moto X... in two versions -- one for Verizon, and the other for 'GSM'. The developer edition provides an unlockable bootloader... cool, I'm a fan of that! But!! Isn't the Moto X part of the Motorola Bootloader Unlock program? It is (hxxps://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215)... so what's the difference between the 'Developer' edition, and the regular edition?
I'm sorry if these are silly questions -- but I've spent at least an hour Googling today, and didn't find any answers that I found conclusive. Thanks for any help you can give!!
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Unless you absolutely have to have VZW for the service - do not buy the VZW model. I am on VZW and have the Dev Edition from them. VZW is always the last to get updates.
So there is just a lot going on with this phone...
There are two different Developer Editions. GSM (for AT&T and T-mobile?). I know it is for ATT and believe it is also for T-mobile. But the T-mobile Consumer Edition also has an unlockable bootloader without buying the developer edition?
Even though the MotoX is listed on Motorola's Bootloader unlock program - it is only certain models. Sprint, T-mobile, US Cellular. Verizon's is only the Developer Edition. ATT would only be the GSM Developer Edition.
My recommendation is T-mobile if you get good service from them. They are going to get updates first.
Also as far as CDMA Vs. GSM; Verizon and Sprint use CDMA technology and ATT and Tmobile and most others use GSM technology.
I know that sounded like a big mess - sorry. I am tired and its all I got for now.
The CDMA version has gsm capabilities, but the gsm version will not work on CDMA.
If I were in your position, I'd get the gsm developer edition or the T-Mobile version. Either of those should be compatible with most carriers unless you absolutely need a Verizon phone. If so get the VZW developer edition.
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thepolishguy said:
My recommendation is T-mobile if you get good service from them. They are going to get updates first.
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That would be my choice, as well. However, I'm not 100% sure I want to commit to T-Mobile, yet... their coverage seems to be the most lacking of non-Verizon carriers. I was actually thinking of activating the phone on Ting (a Spring MVNO) to begin with.
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I know that sounded like a big mess - sorry. I am tired and its all I got for now.
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No worries, I appreciate it, man.
housry23 said:
The CDMA version has gsm capabilities, but the gsm version will not work on CDMA.
If I were in your position, I'd get the gsm developer edition or the T-Mobile version. Either of those should be compatible with most carriers unless you absolutely need a Verizon phone. If so get the VZW developer edition.
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So what you're saying is that the VZW Dev edition would theoretically work on other CDMA carriers (i.e. Sprint/Sprint-based networks), and also GSM-based networks (i.e. T-Mobile), right? But that the T-Mobile version with only work on GSM carriers (i.e. not Verizon, and not Sprint)?
As much as I'd love to just commit to T-Mobile's GSM network... their coverage maps have me hesitant, heh.
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...As much as I'd love to just commit to T-Mobile's GSM network... their coverage maps have me hesitant, heh.
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With T-Mobile you don't commit, other than the cost of the phone which can be resold. They don't do contracts so you can easily switch to another carrier if needed. I've been on Verizon since their inception and I now have à T-Mobile "test" line which is working pretty well. As mentioned above, it's probably best to get the GSM dev edition since it can be used on AT&T too.
I'm nearly certain the T-Mobile version works 100% on AT&T HSPA & LTE.
I ordered one last night, so I will clear that up when it arrives next week, but I'm pretty certain I've already seen others reporting that T-Mobile works fully on AT&T and is unlocked out of the box.
scottjb said:
With T-Mobile you don't commit, other than the cost of the phone which can be resold. They don't do contracts so you can easily switch to another carrier if needed. I've been on Verizon since their inception and I now have à T-Mobile "test" line which is working pretty well. As mentioned above, it's probably best to get the GSM dev edition since it can be used on AT&T too.
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Gotcha. Ideally, though, I'd like a phone that would work on CDMA AND/OR GSM networks... would the VZW and/or VZW Dev Edition be capable of that? That is, could I activate on a Sprint-based CDMA network like Ting, and then switch to a GSM-based network like T-Mobile later, if I wanted?
phositadc said:
I'm nearly certain the T-Mobile version works 100% on AT&T HSPA & LTE.
I ordered one last night, so I will clear that up when it arrives next week, but I'm pretty certain I've already seen others reporting that T-Mobile works fully on AT&T and is unlocked out of the box.
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Awesome! Looking foward to what you find out.
I think you need a Sprint version to be able to use Ting. Last I heard, they don't flash Verizon phones to their network. I'm not sure if the Sprint version can be unlocked to be used on T-Mobile if you change your mind later. I'd highly advise just picking your carrier first before picking your phone.
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freak4dell said:
I'd highly advise just picking your carrier first before picking your phone.
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Was starting to think that myself, heh. Just kind of a bummer, because I know I want the phone -- but I don't know which carrier will end up fitting me best.
Hi all, is there any difference between the radios on the Dev edition vs. the normal one? For instance, if I have the Dev edition, what's stopping me from flashing an AT&T, T-Mobile, or Sprint ROM? Shouldn't they all be compatible with my device? Does flashing any of those affect my radios?
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Hi all, is there any difference between the radios on the Dev edition vs. the normal one? For instance, if I have the Dev edition, what's stopping me from flashing an AT&T, T-Mobile, or Sprint ROM? Shouldn't they all be compatible with my device? Does flashing any of those affect my radios?
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The Developer Edition radio is set up for GSM service by default. I know there's a setting to change it to CDMA, but I have yet to see somebody post on trying it with their Sprint or Verizon HTC One. If you're on AT&T or T-Mobile, it works. If on Sprint or Verizon (or other CDMA provider), maybe. I would be curious since my friend has a One with Verizon. It pains me to see all that bloatware on his phone that can't be removed or disabled.
Short answer to your question. Nothing is stopping you from flashing an AT&T, T-Mobile, or Sprint ROM. But I fail to see why somebody would want to do that if they have the Dev Edition. Unless they really like bloatware and carrier restrictions.
I spent two days and $500 dollars on two brand new S4's only to realize that Sprint likes to be dishonest with their customers and not tell people that the SPH-L720T cannot be activated with anyone BUT Sprint regardless of ESN status until at the very earliest February 2015, according to the blacklist. I feel that everyone with the intention to purchase the newest model S4 for use with a different carrier should know this. Had I known I'd be $500 richer.
Thank you.
Really you bought a Sprint Galaxy S4 with the intention of using it on a different carrier. At that point you should have bought an unlocked GS4 and saved yourself a few hundred bucks. And it has been known that when you buy a Sprint phone on contract you need to have it on your Sprint account for at least 90 days with good standing before they unlock it for international use.
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Really you bought a Sprint Galaxy S4 with the intention of using it on a different carrier. At that point you should have bought an unlocked GS4 and saved yourself a few hundred bucks. And it has been known that when you buy a Sprint phone on contract you need to have it on your Sprint account for at least 90 days with good standing before they unlock it for international use.
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It's not on a contract, or even linked to an account. The SPH-L720, not the tri-band version, is able to be used with other carriers. I purchased a Sprint one for use with a CDMA Sprint-based carrier that uses Sprint phones, and was labelled as being able to use Sprint S4's. I've used a few Sprint GS3's with the carrier with no issues. The SPH-L720T cannot be used with any carriers other than Sprint until February 2015, but they won't tell you that. I wouldn't be able to use the unlocked GS4 with my carrier because it wouldn't be a Sprint device. It has nothing to do with being unlocked for international use.
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It's not on a contract, or even linked to an account. The SPH-L720, not the tri-band version, is able to be used with other carriers. I purchased a Sprint one for use with a CDMA Sprint-based carrier that uses Sprint phones, and was labelled as being able to use Sprint S4's. I've used a few Sprint GS3's with the carrier with no issues. The SPH-L720T cannot be used with any carriers other than Sprint until February 2015, but they won't tell you that. I wouldn't be able to use the unlocked GS4 with my carrier because it wouldn't be a Sprint device. It has nothing to do with being unlocked for international use.
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In that case you should have dome some research between the two devices. As the SPH-L720 and the SPH-L720T are both called Sprint Galaxy S4. Who ever you got this information about being able to use GS4 on your network must not know the difference between the two devices. I know for a fact Ting or Sprint announce when you can use a Sprint labeled phone on Ting(Sprint MVDO), this normally is about a year after the phone is launched. The triband gs4 came out in December so I am NOT surprised you are not able to use it on a Sprint MNVO.
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In that case you should have dome some research between the two devices. As the SPH-L720 and the SPH-L720T are both called Sprint Galaxy S4. Who ever you got this information about being able to use GS4 on your network must not know the difference between the two devices. I know for a fact Ting or Sprint announce when you can use a Sprint labeled phone on Ting(Sprint MVDO), this normally is about a year after the phone is launched. The triband gs4 came out in December so I am NOT surprised you are not able to use it on a Sprint MNVO.
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I learned that after I had purchased the two devices, I wanted the tri-band version in the event that in the future I'd possibly be able to use the GSM antenna with a different provider if desired. The service provider did not differentiate between the Tri-band and regular version.
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It's not on a contract, or even linked to an account. The SPH-L720, not the tri-band version, is able to be used with other carriers. I purchased a Sprint one for use with a CDMA Sprint-based carrier that uses Sprint phones, and was labelled as being able to use Sprint S4's. I've used a few Sprint GS3's with the carrier with no issues. The SPH-L720T cannot be used with any carriers other than Sprint until February 2015, but they won't tell you that. I wouldn't be able to use the unlocked GS4 with my carrier because it wouldn't be a Sprint device. It has nothing to do with being unlocked for international use.
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I have two SPH-L720. The reason that its locked until 2015 is due to the law that was recently passed. its not sprint fault. End of discussion.
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chico1983 said:
I have two SPH-L720. The reason that its locked until 2015 is due to the law that was recently passed. its not sprint fault. End of discussion.
Mod edit: there is no buying/sellng/trading on XDA. Post edited.
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I have been using a SPH-L720T flashed to Page Plus, a Verizon MNVO, for several months with 3G and no issues.
MOD I was not planning to do it. I was just making a point.
If you bought a carrier-specific phone(whether it was a contract or not, you KNEW it was sprint) with the intention of using it on another carrier, then blame Sprint for the lack of ability to do that, you're gonna have a bad time.
Sprint Galaxy S4 SPH-L720T flashed to PagePlus 3G
shelnian said:
I have been using a SPH-L720T flashed to Page Plus, a Verizon MNVO, for several months with 3G and no issues.
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Hi, I've got the same phone @shelnian. Have you looked into the possibility of making it work with the new PagePlus 4G service? From all I've read, it's impossible because of the physical radio, but it would be nice to get LTE with a PagePlus sim card.
Well I have been told that my Sprint version of my HTC ONE M7 wont ever be able to act like and international version, well why cant it ?
If its a partition problem cant we just modify it? just like sdmerge400 modified the partitions of LG e400s ????
I would like if someone would make a mod for this stuff (As my phone is unlocked and i have been told that GSM is now enabled. Source: Sprint Rep.)
And a fact is that both have the exact same RF chip the difference being that sprint has locked down its phons to CDMA only , Which is unlocked by carrier unlocking (That I have already done )
So i think it must be possible!
(PSardon me, I have made posts like this before but this one is a little bit different.)
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And a fact is that both have the exact same RF chip the difference being that sprint has locked down its phons to CDMA only , Which is unlocked by carrier unlocking (That I have already done )
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Um.... Not entirely sure that's right. You'll want to double check the frequencies for the Sprint M7. Any CDMA band frequencies cannot be used for GSM or LTE purposes.
At least, that is what I was told.
Unlocking your phone will allow you to use the built in GSM functions of your M7, but the CDMA frequencies will remain inaccessible. My $0.02? See if someone wants to trade their international One for a Sprint One (lmao good luck), or sell it and buy an international One.
DarkStar911 said:
Well I have been told that my Sprint version of my HTC ONE M7 wont ever be able to act like and international version, well why cant it ?
If its a partition problem cant we just modify it? just like sdmerge400 modified the partitions of LG e400s ????
I would like if someone would make a mod for this stuff (As my phone is unlocked and i have been told that GSM is now enabled. Source: Sprint Rep.)
And a fact is that both have the exact same RF chip the difference being that sprint has locked down its phons to CDMA only , Which is unlocked by carrier unlocking (That I have already done )
So i think it must be possible!
(PSardon me, I have made posts like this before but this one is a little bit different.)
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Sprint M7 cannot be converted to International M7.
Modem chipset is different. Firmware is different.
GSM unlock on sprint m7 is meant only for out of US gsm carrier Some people had success in using it on US based gsm carriers
Max you can do is modify xml files so your phone shows network options like in GSM models.
I am looking at getting a M7 as a media player. I like the unlocked bootloader over the old S4 that I will end up selling. I dont go crazy with custom ROMs but id like a good fast ROM, maybe CM.
Question is, which is the best variant of the device for custom roms. specifically the sprint variant seems to be the cheapest because the lock out ESN often. is there any limitations to the sprint variations that mean i need to spend more?
blindguyinanorgy said:
I am looking at getting a M7 as a media player. I like the unlocked bootloader over the old S4 that I will end up selling. I dont go crazy with custom ROMs but id like a good fast ROM, maybe CM.
Question is, which is the best variant of the device for custom roms. specifically the sprint variant seems to be the cheapest because the lock out ESN often. is there any limitations to the sprint variations that mean i need to spend more?
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You need to take a look at each variant to see which works best for you. Sprint & Verizon variants are CDMA and the rest are GSM. GSM phones are far more prevalent internationally than CDMA and are or can be easier to customize thus more options. Your call!
majmoz said:
You need to take a look at each variant to see which works best for you. Sprint & Verizon variants are CDMA and the rest are GSM. GSM phones are far more prevalent internationally than CDMA and are or can be easier to customize thus more options. Your call!
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Im refering to mod-ability. I will not be using this as a phone so I dont care about the radio. Like for the G3, verizon has a locked bootloader but t-mobile is unlocked.
Is there an issue flashing CMDA roms to the sprint variant if phone is not needed?
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Im refering to mod-ability. I will not be using this as a phone so I dont care about the radio. Like for the G3, verizon has a locked bootloader but t-mobile is unlocked.
Is there an issue flashing CMDA roms to the sprint variant if phone is not needed?
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You should only flash ROMs that are compatible with your variant. The CDMA phones have different partition tables than their GSM variants. This could cause the phone not to operate. So, if you have a Sprint phone then only put ROMs that are compatible with the Sprint variant. There is a separate forum for the Sprint & Verizon variants.
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You should only flash ROMs that are compatible with your variant. The CDMA phones have different partition tables than their GSM variants. This could cause the phone not to operate. So, if you have a Sprint phone then only put ROMs that are compatible with the Sprint variant. There is a separate forum for the Sprint & Verizon variants.
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And you said there is more variety for the GSM versions. I can find sprint phones for $80, is there anything that justifies an extra $40 for a GSM variant?
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And you said there is more variety for the GSM versions. I can find sprint phones for $80, is there anything that justifies an extra $40 for a GSM variant?
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I'm not a marketing guru but Sprint has limited coverage as a phone and limited support from custom tweakers, while the GSM phones are plentiful and can be used in more locations. Bottom line, if the it meets your needs then get the Sprint variant but should you need it as a phone down the line remember you have very limited options.