Hi all, is there any difference between the radios on the Dev edition vs. the normal one? For instance, if I have the Dev edition, what's stopping me from flashing an AT&T, T-Mobile, or Sprint ROM? Shouldn't they all be compatible with my device? Does flashing any of those affect my radios?
raphytaffy said:
Hi all, is there any difference between the radios on the Dev edition vs. the normal one? For instance, if I have the Dev edition, what's stopping me from flashing an AT&T, T-Mobile, or Sprint ROM? Shouldn't they all be compatible with my device? Does flashing any of those affect my radios?
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The Developer Edition radio is set up for GSM service by default. I know there's a setting to change it to CDMA, but I have yet to see somebody post on trying it with their Sprint or Verizon HTC One. If you're on AT&T or T-Mobile, it works. If on Sprint or Verizon (or other CDMA provider), maybe. I would be curious since my friend has a One with Verizon. It pains me to see all that bloatware on his phone that can't be removed or disabled.
Short answer to your question. Nothing is stopping you from flashing an AT&T, T-Mobile, or Sprint ROM. But I fail to see why somebody would want to do that if they have the Dev Edition. Unless they really like bloatware and carrier restrictions.
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So since this device is coming out on three (US) networks as well as the developer edition. Let's say someone makes a ROM for the Developer edition of the phone, is it expected to be able to work on the At&t version (obviously after we can unlock the boot-loader)?
Or for example if someone makes a ROM for the T-mobile version, is it expected to be able to work on the Sprint version?
I'm just curious because if this is not the case, then i need to make sure i get the developer edition (I'm trying to avoid shelling out that much cash up front).
The variants
U-3g only gsm
Ul-4g lte gsm
Wl-4g late cdma
U and Ul variants can share ROMs
WL can't
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Hey all,
I'm looking at purchasing a Moto X (possibly two, if my wife replaces her iPhone...). I'm currently not tied to any particular carrier, but I'd like to keep my options as open as possible. I'm going to buy the phone/s at full price, and then bring them to whatever carrier/service/MVNO I end up with.
From what I understand so far, there are two basic models of the Moto X -- one for Verizon (CDMA), and one for GSM-based networks.
Here's my basic question: What's the difference between these phones??
The Verizon website lists the Moto X as a 'global' phone, which implies that it has a GSM radio in it, right?
If so, does that imply that the 'Tmobile' (or otherwise GSM-based) Moto X has a CDMA radio?
Then, as if I'm not confused enough, I find the 'Developer' edition of the Moto X... in two versions -- one for Verizon, and the other for 'GSM'. The developer edition provides an unlockable bootloader... cool, I'm a fan of that! But!! Isn't the Moto X part of the Motorola Bootloader Unlock program? It is (hxxps://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215)... so what's the difference between the 'Developer' edition, and the regular edition?
I'm sorry if these are silly questions -- but I've spent at least an hour Googling today, and didn't find any answers that I found conclusive. Thanks for any help you can give!!
Spirotot said:
Hey all,
I'm looking at purchasing a Moto X (possibly two, if my wife replaces her iPhone...). I'm currently not tied to any particular carrier, but I'd like to keep my options as open as possible. I'm going to buy the phone/s at full price, and then bring them to whatever carrier/service/MVNO I end up with.
From what I understand so far, there are two basic models of the Moto X -- one for Verizon (CDMA), and one for GSM-based networks.
Here's my basic question: What's the difference between these phones??
The Verizon website lists the Moto X as a 'global' phone, which implies that it has a GSM radio in it, right?
If so, does that imply that the 'Tmobile' (or otherwise GSM-based) Moto X has a CDMA radio?
Then, as if I'm not confused enough, I find the 'Developer' edition of the Moto X... in two versions -- one for Verizon, and the other for 'GSM'. The developer edition provides an unlockable bootloader... cool, I'm a fan of that! But!! Isn't the Moto X part of the Motorola Bootloader Unlock program? It is (hxxps://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215)... so what's the difference between the 'Developer' edition, and the regular edition?
I'm sorry if these are silly questions -- but I've spent at least an hour Googling today, and didn't find any answers that I found conclusive. Thanks for any help you can give!!
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Unless you absolutely have to have VZW for the service - do not buy the VZW model. I am on VZW and have the Dev Edition from them. VZW is always the last to get updates.
So there is just a lot going on with this phone...
There are two different Developer Editions. GSM (for AT&T and T-mobile?). I know it is for ATT and believe it is also for T-mobile. But the T-mobile Consumer Edition also has an unlockable bootloader without buying the developer edition?
Even though the MotoX is listed on Motorola's Bootloader unlock program - it is only certain models. Sprint, T-mobile, US Cellular. Verizon's is only the Developer Edition. ATT would only be the GSM Developer Edition.
My recommendation is T-mobile if you get good service from them. They are going to get updates first.
Also as far as CDMA Vs. GSM; Verizon and Sprint use CDMA technology and ATT and Tmobile and most others use GSM technology.
I know that sounded like a big mess - sorry. I am tired and its all I got for now.
The CDMA version has gsm capabilities, but the gsm version will not work on CDMA.
If I were in your position, I'd get the gsm developer edition or the T-Mobile version. Either of those should be compatible with most carriers unless you absolutely need a Verizon phone. If so get the VZW developer edition.
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thepolishguy said:
My recommendation is T-mobile if you get good service from them. They are going to get updates first.
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That would be my choice, as well. However, I'm not 100% sure I want to commit to T-Mobile, yet... their coverage seems to be the most lacking of non-Verizon carriers. I was actually thinking of activating the phone on Ting (a Spring MVNO) to begin with.
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I know that sounded like a big mess - sorry. I am tired and its all I got for now.
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No worries, I appreciate it, man.
housry23 said:
The CDMA version has gsm capabilities, but the gsm version will not work on CDMA.
If I were in your position, I'd get the gsm developer edition or the T-Mobile version. Either of those should be compatible with most carriers unless you absolutely need a Verizon phone. If so get the VZW developer edition.
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So what you're saying is that the VZW Dev edition would theoretically work on other CDMA carriers (i.e. Sprint/Sprint-based networks), and also GSM-based networks (i.e. T-Mobile), right? But that the T-Mobile version with only work on GSM carriers (i.e. not Verizon, and not Sprint)?
As much as I'd love to just commit to T-Mobile's GSM network... their coverage maps have me hesitant, heh.
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...As much as I'd love to just commit to T-Mobile's GSM network... their coverage maps have me hesitant, heh.
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With T-Mobile you don't commit, other than the cost of the phone which can be resold. They don't do contracts so you can easily switch to another carrier if needed. I've been on Verizon since their inception and I now have à T-Mobile "test" line which is working pretty well. As mentioned above, it's probably best to get the GSM dev edition since it can be used on AT&T too.
I'm nearly certain the T-Mobile version works 100% on AT&T HSPA & LTE.
I ordered one last night, so I will clear that up when it arrives next week, but I'm pretty certain I've already seen others reporting that T-Mobile works fully on AT&T and is unlocked out of the box.
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With T-Mobile you don't commit, other than the cost of the phone which can be resold. They don't do contracts so you can easily switch to another carrier if needed. I've been on Verizon since their inception and I now have à T-Mobile "test" line which is working pretty well. As mentioned above, it's probably best to get the GSM dev edition since it can be used on AT&T too.
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Gotcha. Ideally, though, I'd like a phone that would work on CDMA AND/OR GSM networks... would the VZW and/or VZW Dev Edition be capable of that? That is, could I activate on a Sprint-based CDMA network like Ting, and then switch to a GSM-based network like T-Mobile later, if I wanted?
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I'm nearly certain the T-Mobile version works 100% on AT&T HSPA & LTE.
I ordered one last night, so I will clear that up when it arrives next week, but I'm pretty certain I've already seen others reporting that T-Mobile works fully on AT&T and is unlocked out of the box.
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Awesome! Looking foward to what you find out.
I think you need a Sprint version to be able to use Ting. Last I heard, they don't flash Verizon phones to their network. I'm not sure if the Sprint version can be unlocked to be used on T-Mobile if you change your mind later. I'd highly advise just picking your carrier first before picking your phone.
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I'd highly advise just picking your carrier first before picking your phone.
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Was starting to think that myself, heh. Just kind of a bummer, because I know I want the phone -- but I don't know which carrier will end up fitting me best.
There has been lots of talk about the lack of a Dev Edition phone on VZW. I'm currently on ATT using the GSM Dev Edition phone and everything works well. Can anyone tell from the models listed for the Moto X 2014 whether there will be a Dev Edition version which will work well on ATT and support the LTE bands which ATT typically uses?
Yes the only one not receiving dev is Verizon as of now. Gsm is for sure! Don't know about Sprint
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Yes the only one not receiving dev is Verizon as of now. Gsm is for sure! Don't know about Sprint
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no need for sprint, sprint is friendly towards modding
There will be an unlocked version called "Pure Edition."
There seems to be some ambiguity on whether the Pure Edition is to be the same device as the Developer Edition or not, but in either case, VZW is not in the running for either for now.
tapped out via XT1053 DE
Anyone know which model # the Dev/pure edition is? The sprint model seems to cover the most bands.
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Anyone know which model # the Dev/pure edition is? The sprint model seems to cover the most bands.
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I think there is a bit of confusion on that at the moment. Here is what I understand - no dev edition, but pure is effectively the dev edition as it may be unlocked. Nothing is being released for Sprint. Moto has not published what bands are in what phone, but they are marketing pure for T-mo, so I sure hope it has bands 4 and 12.
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I think there is a bit of confusion on that at the moment. Here is what I understand - no dev edition, but pure is effectively the dev edition as it may be unlocked. Nothing is being released for Sprint. Moto has not published what bands are in what phone, but they are marketing pure for T-mo, so I sure hope it has bands 4 and 12.
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I have been searching and searching daily to answer the question of what bands are supported by the Pure Edition and what the model number even is. It's either XT1092 or XT1095 and the reason I'm so concerned is that one does not have Band 12 - they're otherwise identical supposedly.
Anyway, just wanted to point out that I saw links to XT1095 on "America Movil" and a Motorola chat rep confirmed that the XT1095 is the Latin America version.
On the other hand, if the XT1092 bands are to be believed on Phone Arena and the likes, then the Pure Edition should support T-Mobile, AT&T and Sprint as it appears to have CDMA/GMS/all LTE bands. I don't want to spread misinformation, so I'll just sit here and pray instead
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Pure edition supports lte cat. 3? My only concern here
I am looking at getting a M7 as a media player. I like the unlocked bootloader over the old S4 that I will end up selling. I dont go crazy with custom ROMs but id like a good fast ROM, maybe CM.
Question is, which is the best variant of the device for custom roms. specifically the sprint variant seems to be the cheapest because the lock out ESN often. is there any limitations to the sprint variations that mean i need to spend more?
blindguyinanorgy said:
I am looking at getting a M7 as a media player. I like the unlocked bootloader over the old S4 that I will end up selling. I dont go crazy with custom ROMs but id like a good fast ROM, maybe CM.
Question is, which is the best variant of the device for custom roms. specifically the sprint variant seems to be the cheapest because the lock out ESN often. is there any limitations to the sprint variations that mean i need to spend more?
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You need to take a look at each variant to see which works best for you. Sprint & Verizon variants are CDMA and the rest are GSM. GSM phones are far more prevalent internationally than CDMA and are or can be easier to customize thus more options. Your call!
majmoz said:
You need to take a look at each variant to see which works best for you. Sprint & Verizon variants are CDMA and the rest are GSM. GSM phones are far more prevalent internationally than CDMA and are or can be easier to customize thus more options. Your call!
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Im refering to mod-ability. I will not be using this as a phone so I dont care about the radio. Like for the G3, verizon has a locked bootloader but t-mobile is unlocked.
Is there an issue flashing CMDA roms to the sprint variant if phone is not needed?
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Im refering to mod-ability. I will not be using this as a phone so I dont care about the radio. Like for the G3, verizon has a locked bootloader but t-mobile is unlocked.
Is there an issue flashing CMDA roms to the sprint variant if phone is not needed?
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You should only flash ROMs that are compatible with your variant. The CDMA phones have different partition tables than their GSM variants. This could cause the phone not to operate. So, if you have a Sprint phone then only put ROMs that are compatible with the Sprint variant. There is a separate forum for the Sprint & Verizon variants.
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You should only flash ROMs that are compatible with your variant. The CDMA phones have different partition tables than their GSM variants. This could cause the phone not to operate. So, if you have a Sprint phone then only put ROMs that are compatible with the Sprint variant. There is a separate forum for the Sprint & Verizon variants.
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And you said there is more variety for the GSM versions. I can find sprint phones for $80, is there anything that justifies an extra $40 for a GSM variant?
blindguyinanorgy said:
And you said there is more variety for the GSM versions. I can find sprint phones for $80, is there anything that justifies an extra $40 for a GSM variant?
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I'm not a marketing guru but Sprint has limited coverage as a phone and limited support from custom tweakers, while the GSM phones are plentiful and can be used in more locations. Bottom line, if the it meets your needs then get the Sprint variant but should you need it as a phone down the line remember you have very limited options.
Hello,
i am thinking to buy moto x dev edition form ebay as it available for cheap.
the ebay page of seller says its verizon XT1060 dev edition but then he adds GSM unlocked, i know for a fact that verizon devices are CDMA not GSM. please help.
other question is will i be able to install any rom from the forum in XT1060 or there are limitations. i had some bad experience with my htc one s (i had gotten the C2 variant instead of the original one with S4 ) if anyone wants to have a look at the ebay page here is the link
and ghost is the code name of moto x right ?
The phone should say Dev Edition on the back cover. Verizon does use CDMA, but the phones are GSM capable for world use. Once you unlock the bootloader, yes you can install other ROMs, but you may lose some of the core Moto X features like active display and touchless controls that are only available via stock firmware.
rjcrystal199 said:
Hello,
i am thinking to buy moto x dev edition form ebay as it available for cheap.
the ebay page of seller says its verizon XT1060 dev edition but then he adds GSM unlocked, i know for a fact that verizon devices are CDMA not GSM. please help.
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Verizon's LTE phones are SIM Unlocked and can be used with 3G/4G/LTE SIMS from GSM carriers. For example, I can put my T-Mobile USA SIM into my XT1060 Dev Edition for Verizon phone, and get T-Mobile service.
rjcrystal199 said:
other question is will i be able to install any rom from the forum in XT1060 or there are limitations. i had some bad experience with my htc one s (i had gotten the C2 variant instead of the original one with S4 ) if anyone wants to have a look at the ebay page here is the link
and ghost is the code name of moto x right ?
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The XT1060 does use CDMA, GSM and LTE radios. Its radio code or modem files are different from the other variants (like XT1053, XT1058,etc). So as long as the custom rom you are flashing doesn't include radios, OR tells you how to get your stock radios working, you should be fine.
The Verizon Dev Edition DOES have the verizon logo on the back too. In other words, that may be a "stock" dev edition photo, rather than the actual phone you're buying.