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Hey all,
I'm looking at purchasing a Moto X (possibly two, if my wife replaces her iPhone...). I'm currently not tied to any particular carrier, but I'd like to keep my options as open as possible. I'm going to buy the phone/s at full price, and then bring them to whatever carrier/service/MVNO I end up with.
From what I understand so far, there are two basic models of the Moto X -- one for Verizon (CDMA), and one for GSM-based networks.
Here's my basic question: What's the difference between these phones??
The Verizon website lists the Moto X as a 'global' phone, which implies that it has a GSM radio in it, right?
If so, does that imply that the 'Tmobile' (or otherwise GSM-based) Moto X has a CDMA radio?
Then, as if I'm not confused enough, I find the 'Developer' edition of the Moto X... in two versions -- one for Verizon, and the other for 'GSM'. The developer edition provides an unlockable bootloader... cool, I'm a fan of that! But!! Isn't the Moto X part of the Motorola Bootloader Unlock program? It is (hxxps://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215)... so what's the difference between the 'Developer' edition, and the regular edition?
I'm sorry if these are silly questions -- but I've spent at least an hour Googling today, and didn't find any answers that I found conclusive. Thanks for any help you can give!!
Spirotot said:
Hey all,
I'm looking at purchasing a Moto X (possibly two, if my wife replaces her iPhone...). I'm currently not tied to any particular carrier, but I'd like to keep my options as open as possible. I'm going to buy the phone/s at full price, and then bring them to whatever carrier/service/MVNO I end up with.
From what I understand so far, there are two basic models of the Moto X -- one for Verizon (CDMA), and one for GSM-based networks.
Here's my basic question: What's the difference between these phones??
The Verizon website lists the Moto X as a 'global' phone, which implies that it has a GSM radio in it, right?
If so, does that imply that the 'Tmobile' (or otherwise GSM-based) Moto X has a CDMA radio?
Then, as if I'm not confused enough, I find the 'Developer' edition of the Moto X... in two versions -- one for Verizon, and the other for 'GSM'. The developer edition provides an unlockable bootloader... cool, I'm a fan of that! But!! Isn't the Moto X part of the Motorola Bootloader Unlock program? It is (hxxps://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215)... so what's the difference between the 'Developer' edition, and the regular edition?
I'm sorry if these are silly questions -- but I've spent at least an hour Googling today, and didn't find any answers that I found conclusive. Thanks for any help you can give!!
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Unless you absolutely have to have VZW for the service - do not buy the VZW model. I am on VZW and have the Dev Edition from them. VZW is always the last to get updates.
So there is just a lot going on with this phone...
There are two different Developer Editions. GSM (for AT&T and T-mobile?). I know it is for ATT and believe it is also for T-mobile. But the T-mobile Consumer Edition also has an unlockable bootloader without buying the developer edition?
Even though the MotoX is listed on Motorola's Bootloader unlock program - it is only certain models. Sprint, T-mobile, US Cellular. Verizon's is only the Developer Edition. ATT would only be the GSM Developer Edition.
My recommendation is T-mobile if you get good service from them. They are going to get updates first.
Also as far as CDMA Vs. GSM; Verizon and Sprint use CDMA technology and ATT and Tmobile and most others use GSM technology.
I know that sounded like a big mess - sorry. I am tired and its all I got for now.
The CDMA version has gsm capabilities, but the gsm version will not work on CDMA.
If I were in your position, I'd get the gsm developer edition or the T-Mobile version. Either of those should be compatible with most carriers unless you absolutely need a Verizon phone. If so get the VZW developer edition.
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My recommendation is T-mobile if you get good service from them. They are going to get updates first.
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That would be my choice, as well. However, I'm not 100% sure I want to commit to T-Mobile, yet... their coverage seems to be the most lacking of non-Verizon carriers. I was actually thinking of activating the phone on Ting (a Spring MVNO) to begin with.
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I know that sounded like a big mess - sorry. I am tired and its all I got for now.
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No worries, I appreciate it, man.
housry23 said:
The CDMA version has gsm capabilities, but the gsm version will not work on CDMA.
If I were in your position, I'd get the gsm developer edition or the T-Mobile version. Either of those should be compatible with most carriers unless you absolutely need a Verizon phone. If so get the VZW developer edition.
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So what you're saying is that the VZW Dev edition would theoretically work on other CDMA carriers (i.e. Sprint/Sprint-based networks), and also GSM-based networks (i.e. T-Mobile), right? But that the T-Mobile version with only work on GSM carriers (i.e. not Verizon, and not Sprint)?
As much as I'd love to just commit to T-Mobile's GSM network... their coverage maps have me hesitant, heh.
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...As much as I'd love to just commit to T-Mobile's GSM network... their coverage maps have me hesitant, heh.
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With T-Mobile you don't commit, other than the cost of the phone which can be resold. They don't do contracts so you can easily switch to another carrier if needed. I've been on Verizon since their inception and I now have à T-Mobile "test" line which is working pretty well. As mentioned above, it's probably best to get the GSM dev edition since it can be used on AT&T too.
I'm nearly certain the T-Mobile version works 100% on AT&T HSPA & LTE.
I ordered one last night, so I will clear that up when it arrives next week, but I'm pretty certain I've already seen others reporting that T-Mobile works fully on AT&T and is unlocked out of the box.
scottjb said:
With T-Mobile you don't commit, other than the cost of the phone which can be resold. They don't do contracts so you can easily switch to another carrier if needed. I've been on Verizon since their inception and I now have à T-Mobile "test" line which is working pretty well. As mentioned above, it's probably best to get the GSM dev edition since it can be used on AT&T too.
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Gotcha. Ideally, though, I'd like a phone that would work on CDMA AND/OR GSM networks... would the VZW and/or VZW Dev Edition be capable of that? That is, could I activate on a Sprint-based CDMA network like Ting, and then switch to a GSM-based network like T-Mobile later, if I wanted?
phositadc said:
I'm nearly certain the T-Mobile version works 100% on AT&T HSPA & LTE.
I ordered one last night, so I will clear that up when it arrives next week, but I'm pretty certain I've already seen others reporting that T-Mobile works fully on AT&T and is unlocked out of the box.
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Awesome! Looking foward to what you find out.
I think you need a Sprint version to be able to use Ting. Last I heard, they don't flash Verizon phones to their network. I'm not sure if the Sprint version can be unlocked to be used on T-Mobile if you change your mind later. I'd highly advise just picking your carrier first before picking your phone.
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I'd highly advise just picking your carrier first before picking your phone.
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Was starting to think that myself, heh. Just kind of a bummer, because I know I want the phone -- but I don't know which carrier will end up fitting me best.
I have a unlocked moto x that I am trying to use with a sprint sim card. anyone know how I can get this to work
You will need to be more specific on which Moto X you have. However if it isn't a factory Sprint Moto X I think the chances of it working are extremely slim. Sprint uses CDMA, a normal unlocked Moto X uses GSM.
This is unlocked from Motorola
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Well you didn't answer the question at all so its tough to help. The long and short of it is that if you want to use a Moto X with Sprint you need to buy the Sprint version.
I guess I didn't realize Motorola sold more than one type of unlocked moto x. I knew they sold locked ones for each service provider but my understanding was that the developer edition moto x was the only one you could purchase from motorola unlocked...
Sprint doesn't have a developer edition. Only VZW and AT&T make those available to be purchased.
Verizon and Sprint use a different phone technology than other phone companies, called CDMA. To use a phone on those companies, you need a phone with built in support for their CDMA service. CDMA doesn't support removable SIM cards or changing carriers (or even changing phones, without having the carrier switch service to the new phone).
Some (many) phones on those services can also be used on the more common GSM phones services, because both Sprint and Verizon are new using that technology for data. That's where "unlocked" comes in. If you get the unlocked version of a CDMA phone you can use it on other (GSM) carriers. Sprint tend to only unlock phones for international use, not for use by their competitors. I'm less familiar with Verizon.
Either way, to use a phone on Sprint (or on Verizon) you generally need to buy a phone earmarked for that carrier. That is true of the Moto X.
If you can still return that phone, you should do so.
I am a Rodgers subscriber and have purchased a used Sprint Moto X. I have unlocked it so I could just put in a SIM and go. Is this my best option or should/can I flash this with custom firmware, updated Sprint firmware (KitKat), or switch over to Rogers firmware. Any other Sprint Moto X users in Canada out there? Current software is 161.44.32.ghost_Sprint.en.US
Domenic
domenictroilo said:
I am a Rodgers subscriber and have purchased a used Sprint Moto X. I have unlocked it so I could just put in a SIM and go. Is this my best option or should/can I flash this with custom firmware, updated Sprint firmware (KitKat), or switch over to Rogers firmware. Any other Sprint Moto X users in Canada out there? Current software is 161.44.32.ghost_Sprint.en.US
Domenic
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Were you able to sim unlock your Sprint Moto X ?? How did you do that?
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Were you able to sim unlock your Sprint Moto X ?? How did you do that?
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I was under the impression that the unlock of the phone would allow any SIM to be put in. The point of unlocking the phone would be to allow a person to take a phone and use it with any other provider. I do not have the right size SIM to put in but the phone is connected to the Rodgers network right now and I can dial 911 (emergency dial). It could be that I do not understand the definition of unlock and now have a phone I can still only use with Sprint.....
Domenic
domenictroilo said:
I was under the impression that the unlock of the phone would allow any SIM to be put in. The point of unlocking the phone would be to allow a person to take a phone and use it with any other provider. I do not have the right size SIM to put in but the phone is connected to the Rodgers network right now and I can dial 911 (emergency dial). It could be that I do not understand the definition of unlock and now have a phone I can still only use with Sprint.....
Domenic
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If you went to the Motorola site and did their unlock procedure.... Then you unlocked the boot loader. That won't let you use the phone on another carrier. Unlocking boot loader would be done with fast boot.
If you sim unlocked....you would have had a code from sprint....or somewhere, and when you put the other carrier sim card in....it would ask you for a code, and you would enter the code.
What exactly did you do???
Just the bootloader, should have done more research. There are sites that suggest for a small fee the sim can be unlocked. Can they unlock sprint phones or am I going to have to sell it?
domenictroilo said:
Just the bootloader, should have done more research. There are sites that suggest for a small fee the sim can be unlocked. Can they unlock sprint phones or am I going to have to sell it?
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I may be wrong, but since there's an unlock sprint sim bounty thread....I am pretty sure those sites can't unlock sprint moto x's.
Sorry!!!
No the bounty threads are to unlock the bootloader. As for Sim unlocking, I don't know anything about it related to CDMA network.
According to Wikipedia, Rogers is a GSM network. Sprint is a CDMA network. Therefore the Sprint Moto X will not work with Rogers, unless I'm missing something. There is an exception that Verizon phones are world phones which mean they support CDMA, but their newer phones also have the radio to support GSM, which means their phone are GSM unlocked to work for GSM networks outside of US (from what I understand they prevent it from working with GSM carriers within US unless you sim unlock it).
Sorry but the Sprint Moto X won't work with Rogers network. You just need to buy a GSM unlocked Moto X (xt1053) and stick the sim in, then enter the Rogers APN information. You can also get an unlocked ATT Moto X (xt1058) or presumably a Verizon Moto X.
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eksasol said:
No the bounty threads are to unlock the bootloader. As for Sim unlocking, I don't know anything about it related to CDMA network.
According to Wikipedia, Rogers is a GSM network. Sprint is a CDMA network. Therefore the Sprint Moto X will not work with Rogers, unless I'm missing something. There is an exception that Verizon phones are world phones which mean they support CDMA, but their newer phones also have the radio to support GSM, which means their phone are GSM unlocked to work for GSM networks outside of US (from what I understand they prevent it from working with GSM carriers within US unless you sim unlock it).
Sorry but the Sprint Moto X won't work with Rogers network. You just need to buy a GSM unlocked Moto X (xt1053) and stick the sim in, then enter the Rogers APN information. You can also get an unlocked ATT Moto X (xt1058) or presumably a Verizon Moto X.
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Bounty threads are all the rage for the X.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2729744
Sprint phones can't be sim unlocked. So buying one to use on another carrier isn't really an option.
kj2112 said:
Bounty threads are all the rage for the X.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2729744
Sprint phones can't be sim unlocked. So buying one to use on another carrier isn't really an option.
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You say that buying Sprint Moto X isn't option but there is some way to unlock Moto X because there is solutions for Sprint HTC One, Sprint LG G2, Sprint Galaxy S4 and etc so it's don't be hard to make solution to unlock Sprint Moto X too so maybe there could be found developers who will do it I have hope.
P.S. and one news I PM ysabxe for information progress on this project but he say that this thread is not actual for him more I thin cause nobody send him that files what he needed for unlock he need already unlocked Moto X TWRP backup.
eksasol said:
No the bounty threads are to unlock the bootloader. As for Sim unlocking, I don't know anything about it related to CDMA network.
According to Wikipedia, Rogers is a GSM network. Sprint is a CDMA network. Therefore the Sprint Moto X will not work with Rogers, unless I'm missing something. There is an exception that Verizon phones are world phones which mean they support CDMA, but their newer phones also have the radio to support GSM, which means their phone are GSM unlocked to work for GSM networks outside of US (from what I understand they prevent it from working with GSM carriers within US unless you sim unlock it).
Sorry but the Sprint Moto X won't work with Rogers network. You just need to buy a GSM unlocked Moto X (xt1053) and stick the sim in, then enter the Rogers APN information. You can also get an unlocked ATT Moto X (xt1058) or presumably a Verizon Moto X.
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Don't trust Wikipedia. Just like the verizon X, the sprint X supports at least quad band gsm for global roaming, which are the same gsm frequencies also used in North America. (I haven't looked into the other frequencies the sprint x supports).
The problem comes in that the Sprint X is sim locked to only use their Sims. You can only get the sim unlock code from sprint directly, no 3rd party sellers seem to have them. Sprint will only give it if you are a current customer, with the X active on your line, and other condiitions are met.... So if you buy a used Sprint Moto X that hasn't been sim unlocked, you are screwed. But if you buy one that has been sim unlocked, you'll be able to get at least basic gsm.
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MrSaba said:
You say that buying Sprint Moto X isn't option but there is some way to unlock Moto X because there is solutions for Sprint HTC One, Sprint LG G2, Sprint Galaxy S4 and etc so it's don't be hard to make solution to unlock Sprint Moto X too so maybe there could be found developers who will do it I have hope.
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Because other phones can, you must be able to on X.... Unfortunately that is faulty logic.
For whatever reason, the only way to sim unlock a Sprint Moto X has been to be a current Sprint customer and get the code from them. For all the posts on XDA asking for Sprint X sim unlock code for those who are no longer Sprint customers, no one has found a way. None of the 3rd party code sellers have a way.
Because other phones can, you must be able to on X.... Unfortunately that is faulty logic.
For whatever reason, the only way to sim unlock a Sprint Moto X has been to be a current Sprint customer and get the code from them. For all the posts on XDA asking for Sprint X sim unlock code for those who are no longer Sprint customers, no one has found a way. None of the 3rd party code sellers have a way.
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If you are active user look unlocking steps there is always used omadm.apk on Sprint HTC one and Sprint LG G2 so there is way to unlock Sprint X too but need already sprint customer who already have unlocked their Sprint X and need files from already unlocked Sprint X ysabxe was asking make backup and link it on dropbox or some cloud but nobody did it. so it doesn't mean that it is impossible to unlock Sprint X
MrSaba said:
If you are active user look unlocking steps there is always used omadm.apk on Sprint HTC one and Sprint LG G2 so there is way to unlock Sprint X too but need already sprint customer who already have unlocked their Sprint X and need files from already unlocked Sprint X ysabxe was asking make backup and link it on dropbox or some cloud but nobody did it. so it doesn't mean that it is impossible to unlock Sprint X
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Again, you're assuming the same method and software used to SIM unlock phones by other makers is how its done on the X too.
While it may not be impossible, I would say its improbable... The X has been out since August yet with all the requests by those looking to SIM unlock the Sprint X, as of today, no one has posted a way to do it, other than be an active sprint customer and request the code from them.
I want to get a Moto X that would work if I decided to switch from T-Mobile to AT&T. My first preference is to buy it from Best Buy (I have some gift cards) but the guy at the store said if I bought a T-Mobile Moto X from them it wouldn't work if I switched to AT&T because it would be locked. From what I understand, T-Mobile can and will unlock this device for me if I ask them (nicely) meaning I could then use it with AT&T. Is my understanding correct?
My other options are to buy one from T-Mobile or get one from Motorola's website. Same question with these phones: Even if they are locked to T-Mobile at first, can I get them unlocked and use them on AT&T?
Thanks for any and all help!
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I want to get a Moto X that would work if I decided to switch from T-Mobile to AT&T. My first preference is to buy it from Best Buy (I have some gift cards) but the guy at the store said if I bought a T-Mobile Moto X from them it wouldn't work if I switched to AT&T because it would be locked. From what I understand, T-Mobile can and will unlock this device for me if I ask them (nicely) meaning I could then use it with AT&T. Is my understanding correct?
My other options are to buy one from T-Mobile or get one from Motorola's website. Same question with these phones: Even if they are locked to T-Mobile at first, can I get them unlocked and use them on AT&T?
Thanks for any and all help!
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Friend..the best way to do it, is to purchase an unbranded, no carrier Moto X from Motorola Website..then you can use whomever you wish..I'd suggest the Developer Edition..otherwise you'll probably have to purchase a "branded" model..
Tip: do everything in your power to purchase an "unbranded" unlockable device..
Here is a list of devices that can be unlocked..look in Moto X list..which can be unlocked..I don't see AT&T listed as unlockable..but they do offer the Moto X..but if I was to guess..I'd say theirs is also unlockable.. but verify this before a purchase..
But..if your budget doesn't allow for the price of a Moto XDEV..then certainly consider the new Moto G 4G LTE..the two are VERY similar is size, and the G will run right along side with the X..I have both..and a budget certainly will justify the new Moto G..and its not carrier branded, runs LTE blazing..consider the Moto G..I have one on AT&T..all my devices are now on AT&T..but of course, depends on your area, to which carrier..
Here >> https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215
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shahud said:
I want to get a Moto X that would work if I decided to switch from T-Mobile to AT&T. My first preference is to buy it from Best Buy (I have some gift cards) but the guy at the store said if I bought a T-Mobile Moto X from them it wouldn't work if I switched to AT&T because it would be locked. From what I understand, T-Mobile can and will unlock this device for me if I ask them (nicely) meaning I could then use it with AT&T. Is my understanding correct?
My other options are to buy one from T-Mobile or get one from Motorola's website. Same question with these phones: Even if they are locked to T-Mobile at first, can I get them unlocked and use them on AT&T?
Thanks for any and all help!
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I don't know that there is a "T-Mobile Branded" X, and I don't think T-Mobile sells the X directly (at least it isn't on their web site).
Your choice, is the GSM UNlocked (includes T-Mobile sim) from Moto Maker web site, or the GSM Developer Edition... why?
These are the only way to get a Moto X that supports HSPA/HSPA+ over AWS (1700mhz) that T-mobile uses. History or why is this a consideration: When T-mobile started rolling out their HSPA/HSPA+ network, they did so on AWS(1700mhz) and are the only carrier to do so. While they are re-farming their 1900mhz from EDGE to HSPA+ in many areas, that isn't complete, so if the phone doesn't support HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS, it will fall back to EDGE in those legacy areas which remain.
Now, what is the difference between the GSM Unlocked and GSM Dev Edition? Kind of simple...
The GSM Developer Edition comes only as 32gig with black face, woven white back, silver accents (buttons and camera ring), and says Developer Edition on the back.
The GSM Unlocked (includes T-Mobile SIM) on Moto Maker can be ordered as 16, 32, or 64gig, and the face, back and accents can be customized, along with other customization.
BOTH are SIM unlocked out of the box. Both can be bootloader unlocked, however doing so voids the warranty on the GSM Unlocked version but not the Dev Edition.
Both of these editions support the same GSM/EDGE/GPRS/HSPA/HSPA+/LTE bands and frequencies. In fact, they are the same "board' inside, use the same roms, etc. i.e. other than the look of the outside & customization options, and bootloader unlocking voiding vs not voiding the warranty, they are the same phone. (hence the GSM Dev Edition being the preferred choice so you can unlock the bootloader and easily root it without voiding the warranty).
If you are on T-Mobile today, you could buy the ATT version at no contract direct from Moto, BUT... you can't unlock the bootloader (moto doesn't give out the codes for ATT, Verizon, Republic wireless and a few others), ATT Wont sim unlock it (so you could use with T-Mobile) unless you are their customer for a certain period of time, and it doesn't support HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS. While the ATT X does support 2 extra LTE bands, those bands are not currently used in the USA.
Hope that makes sense.
Thanks for the responses! So let's say I were to order the GSM unlocked version (I'm not worried about voiding the warranty by unlocking the bootloader) with the T-Mobile SIM from motomaker and I used it on T-Mobile for a few months. If I were unhappy with the service from T-Mobile, would I be able to replace the T-Mobile SIM with an AT&T SIM and use it on AT&T's network?
P.S. I did take a look at the Moto G 4G and the Dev Edition but considering who is going to use this phone (my mom), my budget and the reviews the Moto X has gotten I decided that the X would be the best choice.
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Thanks for the responses! So let's say I were to order the GSM unlocked version (I'm not worried about voiding the warranty by unlocking the bootloader) with the T-Mobile SIM from motomaker and I used it on T-Mobile for a few months. If I were unhappy with the service from T-Mobile, would I be able to replace the T-Mobile SIM with an AT&T SIM and use it on AT&T's network?
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Yes, that is correct. The only caveat being that if ATT ever starts using those two extra LTE Bands (band 5 and 7) in the USA then the GSM Unlocked will have a slight disadvantage as it doesn't support them (hardware wise).
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Thanks for the responses! So let's say I were to order the GSM unlocked version (I'm not worried about voiding the warranty by unlocking the bootloader) with the T-Mobile SIM from motomaker and I used it on T-Mobile for a few months. If I were unhappy with the service from T-Mobile, would I be able to replace the T-Mobile SIM with an AT&T SIM and use it on AT&T's network?
P.S. I did take a look at the Moto G 4G and the Dev Edition but considering who is going to use this phone (my mom), my budget and the reviews the Moto X has gotten I decided that the X would be the best choice.
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moto x is a great phone for mom because it just works. Good choice my friend.
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shahud said:
Thanks for the responses! So let's say I were to order the GSM unlocked version (I'm not worried about voiding the warranty by unlocking the bootloader) with the T-Mobile SIM from motomaker and I used it on T-Mobile for a few months. If I were unhappy with the service from T-Mobile, would I be able to replace the T-Mobile SIM with an AT&T SIM and use it on AT&T's network?
P.S. I did take a look at the Moto G 4G and the Dev Edition but considering who is going to use this phone (my mom), my budget and the reviews the Moto X has gotten I decided that the X would be the best choice.
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I bought the T-Mobile/GSM unlocked version from MotoMaker and it's working on my AT&T GoPhone plan no problem. I cut my micro-SIM down to nano and it works in the X just like it did in my Nexus 4. Interestingly I get better signal in many areas on LTE than my N4 got on HSPA+.
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I bought the T-Mobile/GSM unlocked version from MotoMaker and it's working on my AT&T GoPhone plan no problem. I cut my micro-SIM down to nano and it works in the X just like it did in my Nexus 4. Interestingly I get better signal in many areas on LTE than my N4 got on HSPA+.
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I have this device on the AT&T GoPhone plan and very pleased with LTE here in the mountains of NC..out performs my Moto X Dev Edition and Droid Maxx Dev Edition (Verizon) here..
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Hi, i'm planning to buy a Moto X 1st gen (2013), but i'm confused about the different models and which will be better or has best LTE band support.
I see some XT1053 advertise as Developer Editions GSM unlocked and also some XT1060 advertise too as Developer Edition unlocked, but sometimes I also see that are advertise as AT&T and/or Verizon versions.
As I'm planning to buy this phone in the US but not using there, are both of them gsm and bootloader unlocked? Which one of them is better? I need at least band 4 support (1700/2100); band 28 would be great, but i think none of these moto x support it.
Thanks in advance, hope my question is clear!
ninguno2 said:
Hi, i'm planning to buy a Moto X 1st gen (2013), but i'm confused about the different models and which will be better or has best LTE band support.
I see some XT1053 advertise as Developer Editions GSM unlocked and also some XT1060 advertise too as Developer Edition unlocked, but sometimes I also see that are advertise as AT&T and/or Verizon versions.
As I'm planning to buy this phone in the US but not using there, are both of them gsm and bootloader unlocked? Which one of them is better? I need at least band 4 support (1700/2100); band 28 would be great, but i think none of these moto x support it.
Thanks in advance, hope my question is clear!
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If I recall the XT1060 is made for VZW (CDMA with GSM LTE) while the XT1053 is made for networks such as AT&T and T-Mobile (GSM with GSM LTE).
If I recall the XT1060 is made for VZW (CDMA with GSM LTE) while the XT1053 is made for networks such as AT&T and T-Mobile (GSM with GSM LTE).
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Thanks for your response!
So despite being called gsm unlocked, the xt1060 will not work with any gsm carrier in the world? Or the xt1060 is in fact more complete and will work with all gsm's (like xt1053) plus some cdma carriers?
Thanks in advance!
I didn't realize you made a thread for this...
I'm going to post the replies I sent you via PM in case others are looking for this info too...
In the USA, the XT1053 was Sold as the GSM Developer Edition. In that configuration, you could only get it as 32gig, black face, woven white back and silver accents (buttons and ring around camera), and says Developer Edition on the back. Unlocking its bootloader doesn't void the warranty.
The XT1053 was also sold in the USA on the Moto Maker site as "GSM Unlocked (ships with T-Mobile sim)" and later "GSM Unlocked (ships with NET10 sim)". These two XT1053's were available with all Moto Maker options (for front, back, and accent colors, and different memory sizes). While you could bootloader unlock via the Moto web site, since they were NOT labeled "Developer Edition, it voided the warranty.
All of the XT1053 variants were SIM Unlocked (aka Carrier Unlocked), and support the exact same frequencies.
When it comes to the XT1060 there were made for Verizon USA.
There was the Developer Edition for Verizon (XT1060). As a Developer Edition, it too was only available as 32gig, black face, woven white back and silver accents (buttons and ring around camera), and says Developer Edition on the back. Unlocking its bootloader doesn't void the warranty.
The Retail and Moto Maker variants of the XT1060 for Verizon USA were available with all Moto Maker options (for front, back, and accent colors, and different memory sizes). They are NOT bootloader unlockable (moto never gave out the codes for these).
Again, All the XT1060 variants (Dev Edition or MotoMaker or Retail) were SIM unlocked, and supported the same frequencies.
Since Verizon uses CDMA/EVDO for its voice and 2G/3G data services, the XT1060 does include CDMA support, however its geared towards Verizon USA's network. You can't use the XT1060 on Sprint's CDMA network for example.
When it initially shipped, the only LTE Band the Verizon XT1060 variants supported was Band 13. Band 4 support was added to the XT1060 in the Android 4.4 update. This lead to the confusion as some web sites never got updated to reflect Band 4 being added.
As for what frequencies do the XT1053 and XT1060 support, see -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X_(1st_generation)#Variants as it is now correct.
You will see that when it comes to GSM/UMTS/HSPA bands, the XT1053 and XT1060 support the "standard 4" (850/900/1900/2100) so if your carrier uses those for 2G, 3G or non-LTE 4G, you'll be fine with either. The XT1053 also supports GSM/UMTS/HSPA on AWS (1700/2100Mhz) which is used by T-Mobile USA.
When it comes to LTE, the XT1060 supports Band 4 and 13 (with 4.4 and up). The XT1053 supports Band 2, 4 and 17.
If your carrier isn't compatible with Verizon's CDMA, and/or uses GSM/UMTS/HSPA, I would recommend you get the XT1053 for the following reasons...
The XT1053 is intended to be used with GSM out of the box, and has an easier time being used on "any carrier". To use the XT1060 on a GSM carrier, you need to force its radio to GSM and the Verizon firmware will always tell you its a "non-verizon sim" inserted in the phone.
The XT1053 will get its Over The Updates (like Lollipop) no matter what carrier its on where as the XT1060 will likely need to be manually upgraded if you are not using it on Verizon's network.
Any variant of the XT1053 can have its bootloader easily unlocked (by requesting the code from Moto's web site). To unlock the bootloader on the XT1060, you must ensure you get an authentic "Developer Edition For Verizon (XT1060)"
both support LTE Band 4, neither support LTE band 28
The XT1060's are the same. Dev Edition vs Retail/Moto Maker is really only about 1. Does moto give out the bootloader unlock code (Dev=Yes, All others=No), and can you customize it when you purchase it (MotoMaker=Yes, others = No). All XT1060's use the exact same Roms.
The XT1053's are the same. Dev Edition vs Moto Maker is really only about 1. Does unlocking the bootloader void the warranty (Dev=No, All others=Yes), and can you customize it when you purchase it (MotoMaker=Yes, Dev Edition = No). All XT1053's use the exact same Roms.
Yeah, even if the price is higher, the XT1053 is likely going to perform better for you. See if you can get a non-Dev Edition XT1053 cheaper, because that will work exactly the the same as the Dev Edition XT1053. Unlocking the bootloader voids the warranty on the non-dev edition, but since you'll be out of the USA with it, the warranty probably wont matter.
I know this thread is a bit old, but I have an xt1053 (t-mobile version). Will this work on Verizon for calls and data?
Sirmeili said:
I know this thread is a bit old, but I have an xt1053 (t-mobile version). Will this work on Verizon for calls and data?
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Read more closely, your answer is above. Verizon uses CDMA, the 1053 does not have CDMA bands.
~Pleeeeze~ Need Reliable XT1060DEV Power/Volume Ribbon Cable
I had a stroke on the 30th and for some reason thought it was a good idea to disassemble my Moto X, 32Gb XT1060DEV. Long story short, I need the volume/power ribbon cable and can't find an appropriate replacement unit anywhere. Any and/or all help is greatly appreciated. I am at total loss as to where I can order a quality ribbon cable.
Sporatica said:
I had a stroke on the 30th and for some reason thought it was a good idea to disassemble my Moto X, 32Gb XT1060DEV. Long story short, I need the volume/power ribbon cable and can't find an appropriate replacement unit anywhere. Any and/or all help is greatly appreciated. I am at total loss as to where I can order a quality ribbon cable.
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I replaced the fried rear camera in my XT1053 with a part from an eBay seller called bonfireradios. The camera was used but it works great and takes excellent pictures. I checked and they currently have a power / volume flex cable for $6 total. It's the same part for all versions of the 1st gen Moto X. Hope this helps.
On a side note, If you cracked the edges of your battery cover like I did while taking the phone apart, I know of a another eBay seller that sells brand new OEM white "crosshatch" battery covers that match the Dev Edition perfectly, with the exception of the "Developer Edition" engraving.