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Another Nexus 7 / iPad 2 Observation Thread

First time, long time.
Alright, well before I get flamed for either being up Steve Jobs ass or being a Google loyalist, first alittle about my history with Apple and Google.
My first real Smartphone was the HTC G1 running Andriod 1.0 before that the closest thing I had was an LG Dare. I got it on day 1 and was really excited to see what Android was all about because I was sick of people showing off there iPhones and I never considered myself an 'Apple Guy'. I liked the phone but for anyone who remembers it, it really couldn't hold a candle to the iPhone. So long story short I had it for about a year got drunk and left it behind in cab. At that point I took the plunge and got an iPhone 3GS, and was very pleased with it. All that lag that I had gotten accustom to with my G1 was gone and I had access to a much larger App store. I had the 3GS for two years then I upgraded to the 4S which was a much smaller leap forward. The screen was nice but you stop noticing it after awhile and Siri, looks cool in commercials but in real life serves no purpose unless you're driving. Needless to say it wasn't a huge improvement over my previous 3GS. I was on the fence about getting the 4S I really wanted to try and get back into Android with the Nexus Prime, but my contract was up and their wasn't even an Official release date on the horizon yet just speculation.
Now in terms of tablets. The first tablet I ever bought was the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and I was real excited to get it. I liked the Xoom a lot to but held off once I heard about the Galaxy because for whatever reason I thought a Samsung tablet had to be better than a Motorola one. I never gave the iPad much attention because it's basically a big iPhone and I have had an iPhone for the last 2 years and the prospect of spending 400-500 for an iPhone with a larger screen didn't do anything for me. The Tab 10.1 was ok but still very 'laggey' and choppy and was a little disappointing to be honest. Plus I HATED Touchwiz, so like everyone else on the XDA forum I rooted an installed a custom Rom (AOSP Kang I think they were around Milestone 3 when I did it). It was much better but not perfect, smoother but still not 'buttery' and apps like the web browser and MX Player were prone to crash once in awhile. Anyway long story short when I heard about the Nexus 7 it sounded perfect to me so I preordered mine day 1, listed the Tab 10.1 on eBay and made the switch.
How I ended up with an iPad 2. Basically my office gave them to all the outside sales reps so we could do product demonstrations in front of customers at their location. They made a bunch of Keynote presentations and video and honestly the whole package they put together was pretty nice. Anyway I've had it for at least the last 3 months.
TLR - I don't consider myself in either camp, I've owned both Google and Apple products. Sophi's choice if I had to pick a side - I would probably go Andriod.
Anyway here we go.
The OS - While I wish the Nexus 7 had the tablet UI and I know I can get it if I root it, I haven't. I like the 4.1 over IOS way better. Even though it's just a much improved version on Honeycomb I think its way better for a tablet then IOS, which to this day is still just an iPhone with a larger screen. There's something about it that just feels more like a handheld computer then IOS. Maybe its the customization or all the tweaks to the home screen but hands down this is the best thing Andriod has going for it.
Smoothness - Here is where Andriod really needs to catch up, and 4.1 is a huge step forward but still can't touch the iPad (2). Apples really has this locked down, while the Nexus 7 is the most responsive Android device I've played with it still can't come close to matching the iPad/iPhone. I rarely if ever notice any slow down or come across any hiccups/lag on any of my iOS devices. I know iOS doesn't have widgets or true multitasking but it makes for a much smoother user experience. I don't know why that's a bad thing either, I don't know what you have to have running in the background besides music or downloads but you can do both of those things on the iPad and it still works flawlessly.
Form Factor - This is kind of a draw, I like them both. Actually if I wanted to go bigger I liked the Tab's 10.1 display on the Galaxy.
Build Quality - That would have to go to Apple but I know it's a $200 budget tablet VS $400 premium tablet. Although I would take the rubberized material on the back of the Nexus 7 over the silver metal on the back of the iPad, just makes it feel more rugged/durable In my opion.
Apps - Overall quality of Apps has to go to Apple, plus I like the fact they had a separate section for tablet apps. Although the fact that I can get emulators like FPse and play Final Fantasy 9 on my Nexus 7 might even it all out in the end. I guess this is a pretty common complaint among people coming from iOS about Google Play. If Google just did things like add more categories and promote the top apps in those categories better I think a lot of those complaints would go away. Not to mention I still dont get why something that $2.99 on the Apple app store is $5.99 on Google Play. I can't site anything specific I just feel like things on Google Play are more expensive, not all the time but some of the time.
Battery - I don't know about while being used since I still use my Nexus 7 way more than the iPad. But on standby with Wifi turned on the iPad 2 lasts way longer then my Nexus 7 when they're both left off the charger over night. There's hardly a dent in iPad battery but the Nexus 7 will take a serious hit.
Gaming - Gotta give this to the Nexus 7, or maybe just the 7" form factor, its great for playing games. Fits great in your hands and works well with virtual buttons. Plus almost any noteworthy game on iOS is on Android plus you have tons of awesome emulators.
That's all I got, thanks for reading and let me know if you agree or disagree. But please don't turn this into a thread with a 100 "Stop sucking Apples ****" like comments.
PS - I have been noticing that my Nexus 7 isn't registering every touch and it seems to happen sporadically. The issue is fixed when I lock then unlock the screen. Anyone have a more permanent fix or is it a known hardware/software problem.
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Interesting. I agree with you on most points. I'm a big Apple fan (and owned an iPad 2 for a few months) but I can recognize this Nexus 7 (which I own too) is a great device !
I think what I miss most is high quality apps. Android has some good apps but IMO, most of them doesn't look as good and work as well as their iOS equivalents. But with the popularity of the Nexus 7, I think this might get better over time.

also have the ipad and the nexus 7, i'm banking on the nexus 7 getting more support, when that happens, it will be a more useful device even more

Maybe I'm just crazy, or partially biased since Apple's recent actions have me exceptionally disappointed in them, but I have an iPad right here... and I really can't put into words how disinterested I am in that device anymore. My 2c.

Was about to write a similar post. I had the iPhone 3gs and original iPad for a bit, but for the last 2 years have been strictly Android. For phones I've had HTC Evo, Galaxy S2, Galaxy Note and Galaxy S3. For tablets I've had the Xoom, the original Galaxy Tab 7, the Galaxy 10, and now the Nexus.
Last week I had to buy an iPad 3 to demo my company's iPad app, and was planning on returning it after 30 days. I remembered thinking the Nexus 7 was so damn smooth, but after playing with the iPad it's definitely got some work to do. Also, I absolutely love the reddit app on iPad (AlienBlue).
That all being said, I still hate most of iOS's locked down features and how it's just a big iPhone, but I can't deny it's polish. So much so that I might be interested in a 7 inch version of iPad when it comes out.

Thank you for the fair comparisons. Its often difficult for me to believe reviews are unbiased. In this case, I can relate since I own a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and a Nexus 7. And maybe, just maybe I will check out the mini iPad to see for myself. Up to this point I have had no interest in apple products, because of what I felt like unnecessary restrictions. But if they do come out with a mini version, and a price tag to match it, I think I am finally convinced to give it a try.
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stevieraveon said:
Was about to write a similar post. I had the iPhone 3gs and original iPad for a bit, but for the last 2 years have been strictly Android. For phones I've had HTC Evo, Galaxy S2, Galaxy Note and Galaxy S3. For tablets I've had the Xoom, the original Galaxy Tab 7, the Galaxy 10, and now the Nexus.
Last week I had to buy an iPad 3 to demo my company's iPad app, and was planning on returning it after 30 days. I remembered thinking the Nexus 7 was so damn smooth, but after playing with the iPad it's definitely got some work to do. Also, I absolutely love the reddit app on iPad (AlienBlue).
That all being said, I still hate most of iOS's locked down features and how it's just a big iPhone, but I can't deny it's polish. So much so that I might be interested in a 7 inch version of iPad when it comes out.
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Just wanted to point this out. Same can be said about any Android tablet. Aren't Android tablet's just "one big Android phone?" Think about that since they (both ipad/iphone) and Android (phone/tablet) share mobile OS's.

In ics they have the tablet UI.
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aneftp said:
Just wanted to point this out. Same can be said about any Android tablet. Aren't Android tablet's just "one big Android phone?" Think about that since they (both ipad/iphone) and Android (phone/tablet) share mobile OS's.
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Ya I agree. Now the the Android tablet UI and mobile are very similar. Android still tweaks it a little bit for example notifications being on the bottom instead of the top the menu keys being off to the side as opposed to the middle, and the lack of a 'dock' or whatever its called the phones have that the tablet does not. iOS is exactly the same across the phone and tablet besides some apps taking advantage of the larger screen, which the same could be said for Android
I was talking more the jump from Ginger bread to Honeycomb, now there very very similar.

I have pretty much the same opinions, except that it is the iOS store that seems more expensive to me. And I can almost always find an app with a function I need for free on Google play while the iOS store has 1 or 2 good paid apps, and several terrible free ones (ex. the mkv player I was looking for a week ago)
I should also mention that I have the 3rd gen iPad, and it definitely beats 7 on the looks and build quality. However, I often just get extremely frustrated with the OS, I don't know if "locked down" is quite the word to describe it. Really what would make the happiest person alive is putting Android on the iPad hardware (or shell anyway).
To sum up: 3rd iPad looks delicious, and it a joy to use with things Apple wants you to use, but lacks a lot of functionality. The Nexus, ironically, "just works."
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PS - I have been noticing that my Nexus 7 isn't registering every touch and it seems to happen sporadically. The issue is fixed when I lock then unlock the screen. Anyone have a more permanent fix or is it a known hardware/software problem.
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This is my only problem with the device so far. Seems more like a software issue due to the nature of the temporary fix

Like yourself i too have had the opportunity to own both devices. I found the 10" form to be way to big for me. It even caused me to sell my iPad.
However, the 7" size on the nexus is perfect and honestly expect apple to come out with a tablet this size because imo it really is perfect.

Sounds like you have something eating your battery while it's in sleep mode. I lose about 2-4% overnight.
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How is having device specific app a good thing? It's actually pretty stupid to have a specific iPhone app, a specific iPad app, a specific iNote with digitizer pen app if they ever come out with one, etc. when it's simpler and more efficient to have one app cover all devices.
As for the claim with touch input not registering, have you enabled the built-in show touch input under developer options? More than likely it is registering the touch input but the app is busy such as is the case with Chrome when it's downloading and rendering a long web page.
As far as UI responsiveness iOS doesn't really do much other than display a static grid of icons. I can take an ancient 386 33MHz PC and it'll display and navigate the Window 3.1 desktop with ease. They both do very little to nothing with the UI.

Yeah, as far as the battery goes... I'm at 72% on my Nexus 7, after 55hrs, no charging involved. lol. Its been used a little, not too much, but it's keeping its juice for me.

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Yeah, as far as the battery goes... I'm at 72% on my Nexus 7, after 55hrs, no charging involved. lol. Its been used a little, not too much, but it's keeping its juice for me.
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Stock rom? Is wifi/everything turned off?

sparkerjc said:
Stock rom? Is wifi/everything turned off?
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If your not using the device, WiFi and Bluetooth go to sleep. So in effect the device goes into "airplane" mode. If I go the day without using mine, it drains at about 8-10% a day as well.
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mi7chy said:
How is having device specific app a good thing? It's actually pretty stupid to have a specific iPhone app, a specific iPad app, a specific iNote with digitizer pen app if they ever come out with one, etc. when it's simpler and more efficient to have one app cover all devices.
As for the claim with touch input not registering, have you enabled the built-in show touch input under developer options? More than likely it is registering the touch input but the app is busy such as is the case with Chrome when it's downloading and rendering a long web page.
As far as UI responsiveness iOS doesn't really do much other than display a static grid of icons. I can take an ancient 386 33MHz PC and it'll display and navigate the Window 3.1 desktop with ease. They both do very little to nothing with the UI.
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I love when I see other people that "get it" when it comes to Android app development vs. iOS app development. I'm constantly trying to explain to iFans and even some Android fans that in android you don't need multiple apps to cover phones, tablets, and now even TVs. But with iOS you do.
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ExploreMN said:
If your not using the device, WiFi and Bluetooth go to sleep. So in effect the device goes into "airplane" mode. If I go the day without using mine, it drains at about 8-10% a day as well.
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I love when I see other people that "get it" when it comes to Android app development vs. iOS app development. I'm constantly trying to explain to iFans and even some Android fans that in android you don't need multiple apps to cover phones, tablets, and now even TVs. But with iOS you do.
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Sorry but I disagree... For example, take Twitter on Nexus 7 vs iPad.. Please don't tell me it's better on Android:
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Sorry but I disagree... For example, take Twitter on Nexus 7 vs iPad.. Please don't tell me it's better on Android:
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You disagree because you (apparently) don't understand what I or the person I was responding to are actually saying... We are talking about app development, not comparing one Android app to one iOS app. What we are talking about is on a far larger scope. If devs don't restrict themselves to SDKs older than 2.3 apps can be written to display and work perfectly on multiple screen sizes without needing to be "stretched out" but instead have their own discrete set of UI elements/layouts, etc based on the screen size. In other words, a new version of Twitter than basically forgoes old versions of Android could be made to work like the "phone" version you see on the N7 AND work like the "tablet" version you see on the iPad, but in the same apk. This is probably where Android's infamous "fragmentation" issue really lies. Supporting legacy versions of Android. In the case of your Twitter app, it supports all the way back to 1.5 right? So of course it will be little more than a stretched out small screen app.
Does that make more sense?
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ExploreMN said:
You disagree because you (apparently) don't understand what I or the person I was responding to are actually saying... We are talking about app development, not comparing one Android app to one iOS app. What we are talking about is on a far larger scope. If devs don't restrict themselves to SDKs older than 2.3 apps can be written to display and work perfectly on multiple screen sizes without needing to be "stretched out" but instead have their own discrete set of UI elements/layouts, etc based on the screen size. In other words, a new version of Twitter than basically forgoes old versions of Android could be made to work like the "phone" version you see on the N7 AND work like the "tablet" version you see on the iPad, but in the same apk. This is probably where Android's infamous "fragmentation" issue really lies. Supporting legacy versions of Android. In the case of your Twitter app, it supports all the way back to 1.5 right? So of course it will be little more than a stretched out small screen app.
Does that make more sense?
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Yep! Thanks.

Greater review! Agree with most of the stuff u written.

N4 + Android Rant [No Fanboys]

My first Android phone was the Galaxy Nexus, so I've already learned to deal with the horrible h/w, but had I switched from an iPhone to a Nexus 4, I would be VERY disappointed. The screen is a complete joke. My iPod Touch 5g completely obliterates it in every way imaginable. The phone is definitely fast though, and I love the 2gb of RAM (I literally have yet to witness a suspended app in the background close and have to reload when I go back to it...amazing!).
Overall, it isn't a bad phone. It's just not a great phone. What really lets it down is the build quality, just like every other Android. Also, let's be honest, the UI is incredibly dated in the core OS (even compared to apps like G+ or YouTube). The notification shade is incredibly ugly compared to the one in iOS. Certain perpetual quirks (some reported to Google as early as 2009 and with plenty of posts on Google's bug reporting site) also hinder the OS overall. For example, who the hell decided that notifications should still play through the phone when headphones are plugged in? What about that damn annoying "too many text messages" error? Speaking of the messaging app, the back button is supposed to go back to the last app used if you accessed it from notification tray. The only app I've found that specifically ignores this rule and always goes back to the home screen is the messaging app. WTF? I know I'll probably get flamed for saying all of this, but as cliche as it sounds, it's the little things that matter.
Many people will resort to fanboyism and childish "that's not a big deal" or "go buy an iPhone" retorts. However, I truly believe that these relatively minor issues are holding Android back considerably. If they were to get fixed (all the issues I've listed could easily be fixed in a minor point update), Android would truly be excellent.

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...but had I switched from an iPhone to a Nexus 4, I would be VERY disappointed.
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I've come from an iPhone, an iPhone before that, and an iPhone before that. I'm loving my Nexus

You're going to get flamed because of two reasons. What you said about the N4's screen and the notification bar. Because to most of us, you're completely wrong.
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PMSL, you still here...
no fanboys yet your a known apple one!
As for all the things holding android back, I don't think they are worried with about 70% global share with iOS less than 20.
Apple are dying, they release the same phone every year and with swipe to unlock, multi touch and rubber banding patents already ruled as invalid - they are gonna struggle to even try and sue people.
Don't like the phone, return it.
Don't like stock android, why buy a phone with it?
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"I'm going to DESTROY AND **** ON EVERYTHING YOU GUYS ENJOY AND LOVE, but DONT HATE OR YOU'RE A FANBOY"
Your opinion means nothing to me and is totally objectively unfounded.

Listen to yourself. Minor issues are holding it back considerably? Really? The message error warrants buying an iPhone? You're just nitpicking and I believe not many people here will share your delusions. Jelly bean is a solid platform.
Also how is build quality bad compared to the iPhone 5? Both feel like fragile premium devices.

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Aztecbandit said:
What you said about the N4's screen and the notification bar. Because to most of us, you're completely wrong.
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I take it you've never placed an iPhone 5 and an N4 side by side. The iPod Touch has the same screen as the iPhone 5, and it is FAR suprerior. Brightness, saturation, clarity, viewing angles, gamma, and even touch response. Before I got the iPod, I was actually pretty impressed with the N4 screen because I compared it to my old Gnex (which had a far worse screen than the N4), but compared to the screen Apple uses, the N4 looks downright ugly. The brightness is a complete joke. The one advantage that I thought he N4 would have (based on reviews) was the black levels, and those turned out to be the exact same. I literally cannot tell the difference (both extremely good for LCDs).

Let's keep this discussion nice and friendly.

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PMSL
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Okay.

eagleeyetom said:
Let's keep this discussion nice and friendly.
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Thanks. It's hard to point out any flaws these days with so many fanboys on this forum though.

"the UI is incredibly dated in the core OS (even compared to apps like G+ or YouTube). The notification shade is incredibly ugly compared to the one in iOS."
Seriously? Talk about outdated OS, iOS has barely changed since its first release, only adding basic features such as wallpapers, compass, turn by turn navigation etc which Android has had for quite some time

Enjoy your maps bud.

I thought he was describing ios6. No fanboys you say? Is that so you can be the only one in the thread!

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"the UI is incredibly dated in the core OS (even compared to apps like G+ or YouTube). The notification shade is incredibly ugly compared to the one in iOS."
Seriously? Talk about outdated OS, iOS has barely changed since its first release, only adding basic features such as wallpapers, compass, turn by turn navigation etc which Android has had for quite some time
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Kushblow said:
Enjoy your maps bud.
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Did I mention maps anywhere in my OP? Android has a ton of advantages over iOS. I'm simply saying that if Google were to fix a few seemingly perpetual faults with Android, it would be a truly great OS.

Isn't making an "Android is stupid. iPhone 4eva" post on XDA kind of dumb? How could you expect to meet with anything but hostility and, in my case, pity?
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Ordered my Nexus 4 on the 13th. Still waiting.

He's a known apple fanboy - look through his posts.
Bash this troll.
Everyone is a fanboy to him, as hes pure apple posting and *****ing on an android forum.
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Isn't making an "Android is stupid. iPhone 4eva" post on XDA kind of dumb?
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Ya, that would be kinda dumb.
Go back and reread my OP. Don't post until you've read it and understand it clearly. Ok? Thanks.
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He's a known apple fanboy - look through his posts.
Bash this troll.
Everyone is a fanboy to him, as hes pure apple posting and *****ing on an android forum.
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Actually, you're a known Google fanboy. You've defended every single mistake Google has made with the Nexus launch and with the device itself. You went your as far as being a jerk to people who hadn't received their device yet in the shipping thread. Troll elsewhere. Do you have nothing better to do that to post in this thread?

Ok. Thread closed. We don't need yet another Google vs. Apple war on XDA.

My Brother says Android will go down in size to iPhone 4 by end of 2014

My Brother, is an iPhone guy, mainly for it's smaller size, says he wants to go Android, he really likes the Nexus or Galaxy S3 phones, but says they are way too large, and is a big turn off to a lot of people. And also says the home button on bottom front of the iPhone, is a very important feature to have, you can turn the phone on with one finger while sitting on the desk, to check things. He said most Android phones you need to press the side button to turn on, and while phone is sitting on the desk, that is really a two hand operation.
The big thing he said, which I LOL'd big time, he said will make a $50 money bet right now on this statement; "By the end of 2014, all top end Android phones like the Nexus 6 and Galaxy S5, will realize they have gotten way too large, and will go back down to the proper size and width of the iPhone 4." He didn't say or expect screen size, but said the WIDTH, he said by end of 2014 top Android phones will go down to iPhone 4 WIDTH. He knows the screen size will always be larger on Android compared to the iPhone, but says they are mainly way too wide, and will shrink the width by end next year.
My opinion is that NO WAY will this happen, Android phones in 2013 will be larger than their previous 2012 version. Of course they will reach a point to stop growing in size, can't keep getting bigger year after year, but NO WAY do I see them going backwards to iPhone 4 WIDTH by end of 2014.
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I would take that bet without even thinking. All signs point to the phones staying this large size. Personally my g/f and I will never be able to go back to anything the size iPhone 4 after using the S3 and Note 2. My g/f is 5 feet so she's pretty small, and not once has she complained about her S3 being too big to operate with one hand. She's currently eyeing my Note 2 and waiting to see what the S4 is going to hold.
I would even be willing to bet that by 2014 the iPhone 6 or 6s will have a larger screen probably 4"+ at the very least.

I personally like my Nexus size @ 4.7", it's not too large like the Note 2, and not small like like the iPhone 5.
I had the Galaxy Nexus too, and now the Nexus 4, I find this size very comfortable, just right.

He's thinking too much like an Apple user. There's no such thing as "Android Phone" - the market is full of different sizes already. Android is not restricted to one form factor, unlike iPhones.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/05/sony-reveals-3-5-inch-xperia-e-smartphone-in-single-or-dual-sim/

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He's thinking too much like an Apple user. There's no such thing as "Android Phone" - the market is full of different sizes already. Android is not restricted to one form factor, unlike iPhones.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/05/sony-reveals-3-5-inch-xperia-e-smartphone-in-single-or-dual-sim/
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Now my Brother complaining about another Android OS issue, compared to iPhone, he is asking, on a Nexus 7 tablet he's trying "How can I move the cursor to the 'end' of an input box, like in Google search page...? If you have a long sentence in there, seems impossible to move to the right"
He says again "See, on my iPhone browser, If I'm on Google and I want to add more to my long search screen, the minute I tap the box it places the cursor on the far right. That way if u need to add or delete stuff from the end, u can do it"

My brother says swimming in a lake is like swimming in a pond or pool..

Typical iPhone user set in their ways androids will always vairey that's the biggest benefit of android not being tied to one spec or size.I owned an iPhone but when I complained regarding signal I received email telling me I was holding my phone incorrectly lost faith in it,which to this day you still see people holding them that way which I think a lot of younger people don't even realise how that came about and personally I find funny as was Apple's answer to gaining a decent connection.
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Zorachus said:
Now my Brother complaining about another Android OS issue, compared to iPhone, he is asking, on a Nexus 7 tablet he's trying "How can I move the cursor to the 'end' of an input box, like in Google search page...? If you have a long sentence in there, seems impossible to move to the right"
He says again "See, on my iPhone browser, If I'm on Google and I want to add more to my long search screen, the minute I tap the box it places the cursor on the far right. That way if u need to add or delete stuff from the end, u can do it"
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He's got a good point. That's been an annoyance on Android that's never been resolved. On the Nexus One at least there was a trackball which you could use to move the curser to the end of the line of text, but no Android phones have that ability currently.
It's definitely a problem that's long overdue for a fix.
Of course, with the Apple method as you've just described it, if you wanted to edit somewhere in the middle of the line the curser is going to jump to the end and you'd have to delete back to where you want to edit.

But you get a pointer that you can drag left and right to move the cursor, so what's the problem? Touch... slide... hold. Not does the cursor start where you touch (as it should do), but you have a ridiculously simple way of moving it.
Am I missing something?

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But you get a pointer that you can drag left and right to move the cursor, so what's the problem? Touch... slide... hold. Not does the cursor start where you touch (as it should do), but you have a ridiculously simple way of moving it.
Am I missing something?
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Just tried it on my S2 (JB),and you're right, that behaviour has been massively improved. I've not long moved from a Gingerbread device and it was in dire need of a fix. looks like ICS/JB has done the trick.

I suppose he believes there's only 2 Android Phones? Because the S3 Mini is a lot smaller.
One of the main reasons most people (those 82% of the market, in fact.) don't want an iPhone is the tiny screen... Well, that and the lack of customisation.
Also, this home button thing. There's apps for putting a phone to sleep, and you can wake an SGS up with the.. ohhh, big button on the front!
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Of course, with the Apple method as you've just described it, if you wanted to edit somewhere in the middle of the line the curser is going to jump to the end and you'd have to delete back to where you want to edit.
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You do. I believe there's some sort of loop-feature thing that somehow pops up, but I couldn't find it. Spend half an hour figuring out how change 1 letter in the beginning of a 2 page document on an iPhone 5. It's impossible.

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Just tried it on my S2 (JB),and you're right, that behaviour has been massively improved. I've not long moved from a Gingerbread device and it was in dire need of a fix. looks like ICS/JB has done the trick.
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As I was typing that I thought it may have only come into play with ICS. I forget how much of a jump there was from GB to now, having had "nearly" Jelly Bean for a while and then proper Jelly Bean on both my phone and tablet. It's bizarre to think there are phones still being sold with pre-Gingerbread versions on them.
Let's face it, for 99% of users they don't give a toss about the platform. They just want to know what apps are available. Most people (I believe) want a bigger screen, but not too big. Comfortably big, but thin. That's the way of things at the moment. I remember getting my S2 and thinking it was big, but now it looks like a regular phone compared to some of the phones out there. I really don't see why Apple don't make 3 or 4 different models of each iPhone. They could just make them different sizes (same resolution, to save the OS changes). They may have a big brand, but they could have a much bigger one if they just took their fingers out of their ears and started to listen to the rest of the market.

russeini said:
Tell ur brother he can take his narrow iphone 4 nd ...... it smwhere he cant fit large sizes unlike his ridiculously big mouth!
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Raymond199483 said:
Tell your brother that apple sucks compared to android
Nuff said
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Now...now...settle down.
I believe it's a circular dilemma for phone\device makers.
Phones approaching tablet size then tablets reclining into phone size.
Wireless mobile of course started off huge moved to tiny (early Ericsson cellphones) now sizes are yet to stabilize.
Boils down to what fits flat against your hip.

You're bros high man.
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In my opinion the nexus 4 and the HTC one have prefect screen sizes- 4.7 inches. Not too big and not too small. Note 2 and the Xperia z are way too big for my liking
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4.3-4.7 is the perfect screen size. Even the recently launched SG Grand is 5". Bummer. S3 Mini would have been a better release, and I'm quite sure Samsung won't release it here because they can affect each others sales.
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Archer said:
Most people (I believe) want ... Comfortably big, but thin.
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Not the ladies I've been with they want comfortably big and thick, if you know what I mean

StormMcCloud said:
Not the ladies I've been with they want comfortably big and thick, if you know what I mean
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Holy mother of dead pixels!

Im switching to the S4, this is ridiculous.
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It's like a galaxy....

Who's to say you wont get the same or even worse with the S4, It can happen with any model you get

I had the note 2 since it's release date and with much lower PPI I never once noticed any stuck or dead pixels. After using this phone for only 2 days I began to notice these. I could deal with it if there were just a few of them but this is crazy.

cac9478 said:
I had the note 2 since it's release date and with much lower PPI I never once noticed any stuck or dead pixels. After using this phone for only 2 days I began to notice these. I could deal with it if there were just a few of them but this is crazy.
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Yes but if you get another phone there's no guarantee that there wont be more of less dead pixels. It's a crap shoot.

cac9478 said:
I had the note 2 since it's release date and with much lower PPI I never once noticed any stuck or dead pixels. After using this phone for only 2 days I began to notice these. I could deal with it if there were just a few of them but this is crazy.
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Do you think we all just deal with dead pixels and this is a completely normal thing?
Ok, well...see yaw layer. Lolololol.
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Just did a pixel test mine looks fine. You just had bad luck why don't you just exchange it
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cac9478 said:
Im switching to the S4, this is ridiculous.
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Looks like user error!
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Screw Getting it replaced.All HTC Ones have turned to s*** because 1 phone is loaded with dead pixels...You were looking for a reason to hate it to be honest with you.

I'm never buying a screen again! My girlfriend's parents' TV got dead pixels after using it, all of my phones get dead pixels in the shape of middle fingers, it's just offensive. I wish someone would invent a paper screen with ink... That way when it messed up I could change the page...
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Go get a iPhone. You belong with that group of chodes
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BrianBaker said:
Screw Getting it replaced.All HTC Ones have turned to s*** because 1 phone is loaded with dead pixels...You were looking for a reason to hate it to be honest with you.
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I know that most of you don't venture too far from xda, but if you did you would realize this problem is very widespread. One guy went through four of them at the store and found several dead pixels on every single one of them. To all of you that say your screen has none, look closer because I highly doubt that. HTC's biggest failure has always been quality control, and the One is no exception. I decided to give them a chance again after using Samsung phones for the past 3 years, and I have to say I'm extremely disappointed. I'm not going to waste my time swapping out phones over and over, when I could just exchange it for a phone company, that from my personal experience, doesn't exhibit such severe defects.

It's not widespread, I've got 2 HTC ones and both have zero dead pixels.
With a device there are millions of in the world you have to expect a few lemons . If you found 50 people with dead pixels on their LCD you're still not "widespread".
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I had a dead pixel on my first HTC one went and exchanged it no problem. I haven't had an issue with my phone ever since. I'm with every one else you are just looking for a reason to switch.
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Actually they look to be stuck on a color! there are programs you can run to fix that and if it persists i would exchange it. The S4 is NOT a better phone take a few to look at the reviews, lag , cheap quality etc just lets all calm down.

cac9478 said:
I know that most of you don't venture too far from xda, but if you did you would realize this problem is very widespread. One guy went through four of them at the store and found several dead pixels on every single one of them. To all of you that say your screen has none, look closer because I highly doubt that. HTC's biggest failure has always been quality control, and the One is no exception. I decided to give them a chance again after using Samsung phones for the past 3 years, and I have to say I'm extremely disappointed. I'm not going to waste my time swapping out phones over and over, when I could just exchange it for a phone company, that from my personal experience, doesn't exhibit such severe defects.
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You really don't get the concept of reporter bias, do you? The population of people who post on forums tend to be the most vocal in their complaints. HTC has sold millions of these phones, and you're going to claim "this problem is very widespread" based on a skewed sample? Please go take some statistics classes.
By that token, I shouldn't have gotten my Galaxy Nexus, my Nexus 10, my Nexus 7, my Transformer TF300T, my iPad 3, my Galaxy Tab 10.1, or my HP TouchPad. Or even my Galaxy Player 4.0.

Rirere said:
You really don't get the concept of reporter bias, do you? The population of people who post on forums tend to be the most vocal in their complaints. HTC has sold millions of these phones, and you're going to claim "this problem is very widespread" based on a skewed sample? Please go take some statistics classes.
By that token, I shouldn't have gotten my Galaxy Nexus, my Nexus 10, my Nexus 7, my Transformer TF300T, my iPad 3, my Galaxy Tab 10.1, or my HP TouchPad. Or even my Galaxy Player 4.0.
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Went to the Sprint store and with the manager went through 4 NIB HTC One's. All of them had at least 4 stuck pixels, the worst one had over 10. Had him grab me an S4, and as expected, not a single stuck or dead pixel. I, like many, thought the One was going to be the phone that would bring HTC back into the game, but unfortunately that is not the case. You all go ahead and keep defending your purchase, but I can guarantee if you look close enough there are some stuck pixels on your screen. I am now the proud owner of a new Samsung Galaxy S4, and while the speaker quality may not be as good, it's still better than a screen that looks like the Milky Way Galaxy. I don't need statistics classes to tell me the display on that phone is a POS.

Took me three tries to get an decent HTC one. And even then I had to settle with some gaps because I didn't want to risk dead pixels.
I agree with the quality control issues.
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cac9478 said:
Went to the Sprint store and with the manager went through 4 NIB HTC One's. All of them had at least 4 stuck pixels, the worst one had over 10. Had him grab me an S4, and as expected, not a single stuck or dead pixel. I, like many, thought the One was going to be the phone that would bring HTC back into the game, but unfortunately that is not the case. You all go ahead and keep defending your purchase, but I can guarantee if you look close enough there are some stuck pixels on your screen. I am now the proud owner of a new Samsung Galaxy S4, and while the speaker quality may not be as good, it's still better than a screen that looks like the Milky Way Galaxy. I don't need statistics classes to tell me the display on that phone is a POS.
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I'd say trolling, but you're really just a joke at this point. You can guarantee that my phone has issues? You've crossed from being an angry buyer to outright silly. Color cycling my screen shows no dead pixels. I've actually never had any dead pixels of any kind, on any device I've own-- maybe it's because I take care of my device?
It's comical how fast you run from accepted statistical practice. After all, if your evidence is terrible, why try to play the game with facts?

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I'd say trolling, but you're really just a joke at this point. You can guarantee that my phone has issues? You've crossed from being an angry buyer to outright silly. Color cycling my screen shows no dead pixels. I've actually never had any dead pixels of any kind, on any device I've own-- maybe it's because I take care of my device?
It's comical how fast you run from accepted statistical practice. After all, if your evidence is terrible, why try to play the game with facts?
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Grab yourself a magnifying class, you will be amazed by what you find!

Samsung premium device

So I just read an article saying that samsung will be releasing a high class device tomorrow in Russia..can this be the premium version everyone has been waiting and speculating on?
http://www.androidheadlines.com/2014/03/samsung-announcing-new-high-class-device-tomorrow.html
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Premium S5 device has already been denied by Samsung.

spazzy1912 said:
Premium S5 device has already been denied by Samsung.
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slimepots said:
So for short no more premium device for s5 or still they have but still not released?
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Actually, it may happen. Samsung execs deny a Galaxy S5 Premium, yet hint at an upscale smartphone lineup... and a Note 4.

That device is the NX Mini, which is a smart camera.
I think "High Class" is actually a translation error . I think it means something else in Russian.
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Bummer..was really hoping Samsung would go all out and release a new phone lineup
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Harquilik said:
That's image you taken from s4 ?
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I'm pretty sure that it says "The Verge" at the bottom!

system.img said:
That device is the NX Mini, which is a smart camera.
I think "High Class" is actually a translation error . I think it means something else in Russian.
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The vice chairman specifically mentioned a premium line of "mobile phones." This, as you said, is just a camera. The new Prime Galaxy is still coming.

Y.G. said:
The vice chairman specifically mentioned a premium line of "mobile phones." This, as you said, is just a camera. The new Prime Galaxy is still coming.
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AFAIK the Samsung SVP just mentioned about a premium lineup, but did not specifically say that it was lineup of mobile phones.
Even Samsung CEO JK Shin dismissed the rumors of a premium Galaxy S5.

system.img said:
AFAIK the Samsung SVP just mentioned about a premium lineup, but did not specifically say that it was lineup of mobile phones.
Even Samsung CEO JK Shin dismissed the rumors of a premium Galaxy S5.
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He mentioned mobile phones specifically at the annual shareholders meeting. Read his quote below:
"Samsung Vice Chairman Kwon Oh-hyun, speaking at Samsung Electronics’ annual shareholders meeting, has said that the company will be looking at maintaining its dominance "in key businesses, such as mobile phones, TVs and memory chips, by rolling out premium lineups.""
Samsung VC hints at premium line of smartphones, while CEO denies premium Galaxy S5
No premium Galaxy S V is coming. But an entirely new premium mobile phone line, as per the vice chairman, is coming.

Y.G. said:
He mentioned mobile phones specifically at the annual shareholders meeting. Read his quote below:
"Samsung Vice Chairman Kwon Oh-hyun, speaking at Samsung Electronics’ annual shareholders meeting, has said that the company will be looking at maintaining its dominance "in key businesses, such as mobile phones, TVs and memory chips, by rolling out premium lineups.""
Samsung VC hints at premium line of smartphones, while CEO denies premium Galaxy S5
No premium Galaxy S V is coming. But an entirely new premium mobile phone line, as per the vice chairman, is coming.
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Going by that quote alone, it could be coming this year...or within the next 10 years. It's hardly something to be talking about now, considering there's not one piece of proof to suggest anything otherwise.

karmuh said:
Going by that quote alone, it could be coming this year...or within the next 10 years. It's hardly something to be talking about now, considering there's not one piece of proof to suggest anything otherwise.
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No proof, but too many inside sources mentioned a "premium line-up", a metal frame, QHD screen, 20MP cameras, OIS element, SD805, new Exynos and 4GB RAM for something like that not to happen. Also see timing: the S/Note release was in a 6-month cycle before, but the S5 was announced earlier in February, opening a large gap until the Note 4 launch where the premium line-up could fit in, say around late May when Android 4.5, SD805 etc. are expected to launch. With the S5 being so conservative in design and specs, it wouldn't be Sammy if they didn't push out something bigger soon, just not bearing the S name.

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No proof, but too many inside sources mentioned a "premium line-up", a metal frame, QHD screen, 20MP cameras, OIS element, SD805, new Exynos and 4GB RAM for something like that not to happen. Also see timing: the S/Note release was in a 6-month cycle before, but the S5 was announced earlier in February, opening a large gap until the Note 4 launch where the premium line-up could fit in, say around late May when Android 4.5, SD805 etc. are expected to launch. With the S5 being so conservative in design and specs, it wouldn't be Sammy if they didn't push out something bigger soon, just not bearing the S name.
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I agree with this 100%.

BoneXDA said:
No proof, but too many inside sources mentioned a "premium line-up", a metal frame, QHD screen, 20MP cameras, OIS element, SD805, new Exynos and 4GB RAM for something like that not to happen. Also see timing: the S/Note release was in a 6-month cycle before, but the S5 was announced earlier in February, opening a large gap until the Note 4 launch where the premium line-up could fit in, say around late May when Android 4.5, SD805 etc. are expected to launch. With the S5 being so conservative in design and specs, it wouldn't be Sammy if they didn't push out something bigger soon, just not bearing the S name.
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Those same inside sources mentioned mostly the same things to be used for the S5. We all saw how credible those inside sources were. If anything, the Note series will gain some upgrades, but nothing spectacular as these "inside sources" claim. Like it or not, we will only see incremental upgrades for quite some time, regardless of the line or manufacturer.

karmuh said:
Those same inside sources mentioned mostly the same things to be used for the S5. We all saw how credible those inside sources were. If anything, the Note series will gain some upgrades, but nothing spectacular as these "inside sources" claim. Like it or not, we will only see incremental upgrades for quite some time, regardless of the line or manufacturer.
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Except those inside sources you speak of weren't the vice chairman of Samsung. A new mobile line is coming. Period. We just don't know when.

Y.G. said:
Except those inside sources you speak of weren't the vice chairman of Samsung. A new mobile line is coming. Period. We just don't know when.
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Exactly -- As I said, it could be this year...or within the next 5 years, for all we know.. Either way, none of what he said remotely suggests any truth to the spec rumors the line is supposedly going to have.

karmuh said:
Exactly -- As I said, it could be this year...or within the next 5 years, for all we know.. Either way, none of what he said remotely suggests any truth to the spec rumors the line is supposedly going to have.
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They also don't suggest that the spec rumors aren't true. It cuts both ways.

here's a leak:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...emium-version-leaked/articleshow/33285439.cms

If Samsung really is releasing a "Prime" device, I highly doubt they will be doing it any time soon. I can't imagine they would want to under cut their own flagship device. IF the device is what people think it is, I would bet that it would be more of a Christmas time release around the same time as the note. I certainly won't be waiting for one.
On a personal note, while the M8 looks nice in the store, there are some draw backs to the all metal frame.
1) VERY easily scratched. In fact, without a case the device will likely be fairly marked up by the end of a year for many people. I've seen this in person many times. This is the case with the M7/8 anyway, I suppose Samsung could do something different. My local VZ stores even put cases on the display models, because they were getting scratched up.
2) If you put a case on it, the quality factor of the metal body is hidden and wasted
3) At least in the case of the M7/8, no removable battery or easily replaceable back cover.
4)Weight.
I'm in the minority I think, but I'm fine with Samsung's plastic build quality. My S3 was indestructible even without a case.

Agree. I personally don't like aluminum on phones for those reasons..maybe a harder poly carbonate shell and less chrome..the lumias are plastic yet they feel premium..I think a lot of people will be pissed if Samsung does release this in the summer..I know I will since I'll be buying the s5
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Agree. I personally don't like aluminum on phones for those reasons..maybe a harder poly carbonate shell and less chrome..the lumias are plastic yet they feel premium..I think a lot of people will be pissed if Samsung does release this in the summer..I know I will since I'll be buying the s5
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The Lumias are Unibody plastic without a removable back and hence they feel more solid and premium than Samsung's devices.