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somewhere on the forum... i saw this picture of a tilt back cover, and the speaker was a circle, not a square, and the camera cover looked really nice, it had a metal cover to prevent scratches.
where can i find this?
you sure you weren't seeing the back of the Touch Polaris/Orbit 2?
we can made a camera friendly back cover ourselves
Hi All,
I am wonder if anyone would like to join my project of making a camera friendly back cover for our Kaiser.
I am a product designer in Hong Kong and also a Kaiser user. I know a local factory that produce aftermarket cases for PDAs, to make a back cover is not a hard job at all. All I would like to know is how many Kaiser would like to have this new back cover.
Elton
I'd be interested but depends on the quality of the cover of course. Also maybe we could use some really good glass on the rear cover over the camera, such as polarized glass with anti UV and flare coating, any optician should be able to make it, but might work out a little expensive for the glass alone.
aksd said:
I'd be interested but depends on the quality of the cover of course. Also maybe we could use some really good glass on the rear cover over the camera, such as polarized glass with anti UV and flare coating, any optician should be able to make it, but might work out a little expensive for the glass alone.
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you need a photography quality glass for good quality photo. Plus in order to fit in to the original back cover, the glass needed to be really thin, that's another challenge. That's why some people in the forum prefer to take the plastic out.
regarding to the quality, the factory is a very experienced one, a simple back cover is too easy for them. All I worry is the cost and how we can spread them out evenly.
How hard would a "flip" cover be? My previous phone, Sony W810i had no protection for the lens, other than the clear plastic area for the lens. The
K750i had a "flip" cover, which fit the 810i like a glove.
How reasonable would it be, instead of a glass lens, to just produce a cover with a simple flip open or slide cover for the lens? Even with a glass area for the lens, you will still get stains, fingerprints etc.
I'd vote for a rear cover with a slide-open cover over the camera. This would allow the camera to be protected from dust and when open, don't use any additional glass, the pictures would be much sharper!
It would have to be a good design that could withstand repeated open-close cycles.
p51d007 said:
How hard would a "flip" cover be? My previous phone, Sony W810i had no protection for the lens, other than the clear plastic area for the lens. The
K750i had a "flip" cover, which fit the 810i like a glove.
How reasonable would it be, instead of a glass lens, to just produce a cover with a simple flip open or slide cover for the lens? Even with a glass area for the lens, you will still get stains, fingerprints etc.
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I agree. The lens glass needs some sort of protection.
Nokia's N-95 puts the lens at the hinge where no one puts their finger. The HTC Kaiser/Tilt is in a very bad spot for fingers and setting it down into junk or against a sweaty (i.e. wet) shirt pocket.
Also, you might need some bumps on the back to raise the phone a bit since they managed to put the speaker on the back which is about as effective as ....
The back cover gets a bit hot at times too. Don't know what can be done about that.
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you sure you weren't seeing the back of the Touch Polaris/Orbit 2?
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im sure. i know i saw it, but i dont know if it was edited, but it looked pretty real to me.
it looked almost identical to the kaiser's back, except instead of a square speaker, it was circle, and the camera had something better to protect it.
I meant a cover with a glass lens. Its always nice to have 2x times the protection
mikeeey said:
im sure. i know i saw it, but i dont know if it was edited, but it looked pretty real to me.
it looked almost identical to the kaiser's back, except instead of a square speaker, it was circle, and the camera had something better to protect it.
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please let us know where you saw that cover. It would be nice if we can just pay for it.
Have you thought of using the invisible shield? this is cut with perfection, prevents scratches and marks on the device, and has a very accurate cut-out around the GPS and Camera recess.
www.shieldzone.com
flashy said:
Have you thought of using the invisible shield? this is cut with perfection, prevents scratches and marks on the device, and has a very accurate cut-out around the GPS and Camera recess.
www.shieldzone.com
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I am not sure about putting another piece of plastic in front of the camera would be a good idea to improve the quality of the photo.
Anyway, I have contacted the factory about this project, they will let me know the cost in about two days. In the mean time, feel free to throw in new design idea.
this back cover should be great!!, i dont mind even the need os using my fingernails for sliding the protector, the fact is that camera lens will be protected in my pocket!!
You can count me in for the sliding back cover for the camera, that would be perfect!
pepeto2001 said:
this back cover should be great!!, i dont mind even the need os using my fingernails for sliding the protector, the fact is that camera lens will be protected in my pocket!!
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when did i say cover the camera? i said it's been cut around it.
I doubt you will find better to be honest. Without looking silly. It looks like new all the tiem with my shield on.
pepeto2001 said:
this back cover should be great!!, i dont mind even the need os using my fingernails for sliding the protector, the fact is that camera lens will be protected in my pocket!!
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no, I don't think finger nail is a good idea. If space is allowed, I hope to make a sliding door that can be opened by finger instead of finger nail.
Anyway, let's wait for the quote from the factory first.
Im interested too!
quotation received, but....
The factory replied with a quote but they made a mistake. The quote is for 1000 pieces of battery cover. I don't think we have that many people who would be interested in it, so I ask for a smaller quantity quote. They will get back to me tomorrow.
stay tune!
helpme said:
The factory replied with a quote but they made a mistake. The quote is for 1000 pieces of battery cover. I don't think we have that many people who would be interested in it, so I ask for a smaller quantity quote. They will get back to me tomorrow.
stay tune!
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NO, NO, NO....
PM me with the 1000 piece price. I'm sure I could distribute these here in the US.
I have been searching for a protective case for the note 5 and having tried a few I can say that the Poetic revolution is the best one I have tried so far.
It's not ungodly heavy like some of the other ones, it does add some heft but more in line with what I would expect.
It offers full body pritection, including a plastic screen protector. I have a love hate relation with them honestly, they ultimately end up scratched up and I remove them in time. I put the phone in the case with my tempered glass protector still in place so that is probably the reason but this one I have yet to decide if I like it, it's crystal clear but slightly impedes touch sensitivity and does not sit flush against the glass, requiring you to tap just a bit harder. That's actually a plus tho because on some other cases, the screen protector sits right on the glass and you end up with watermarking. Like I said tho, I kept my glass one on so that's my own doing. The cut outs for the home button, speaker and camera are dead on.
The corners are squared off which should distribute the force of an impact over a larger area, hoping to protect better. The sides are pliable while the back is hard.
I like the volume buttons, having 2 buttons instead of like a slider deal allows easy adjusting with no guessing. The ports are all covered with flaps, it looks to be a tight fit for larger headphones although the stock ones fit fine. The s-pen, I don't know...I am 6'4 and have larger hands but I can not access it. It sits too deep, a key or something you could pop it out I am sure, depending how often you use it, it might be an issue. I think if you need a protective case that's a minor annoyance, just worth noting.
The kickstand works well, mainly in landscape. It's easy to pop out and close, doesn't rattle and stays put rather well.
The only real downside to this case is wireless charging does not work for me. I have a Spigen 3 coil charger and placing the phone on it I get nada. Most likely due to the metal kickstand I would guess.
Depending what's important to you in a case will ultimately determine if this one's for you. I work in construction and welding, I need reliable protection and will use this case when working. Weekends, etc I'll put on a less protective case. Personally, glad to have this one as an option and if you are looking for a good quality, protective case, keep this on your short list.
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My review of the Poetic Revolution case
Disclaimer: I got this case free in exchange for this review. I have previously recieved and reviewed Poetic's Affinity case, a slim case which I like so much it has become my daily driver. How will I like a big case such as this one after using the featherweight, unobtrusive Affinity? Well, let's see....
The case arrived quickly. It was plainly packed in what appeared to be a non-retail plastic envelope. I don't know if the retail package ships with instructions, but mine didn't.
The case looks very sharp. It is big and blocky, with a somewhat military look. It consists of two pieces. There is a black plastic front, which features a built-in clear plastic screen protector with cut outs for the front camera, speaker and home button.. And then there is the back piece. Like the other Poetic case I have reviewed, this one is a seamless combination of hard plastic and rigid rubber. The plastic parts are black, and the rubber is a military drab greenish brown that suits the look of the case. The plastic and rubber meet in a combination of ridges and bumpers that are aesthetically sound. An aluminum kickstand sits squarely in the back. The top right corner of the case has a squared off rubber "loop" which is maybe for hanging the phone on something? I can kind of see the appeal of such a feature, but it adds bulk to an already big case without feeling substantial enough that you want your device hanging from it. There are also some "screws" and "rivets" which seem to be purely cosmetic and just molded into the plastic. Inside the back there is some kimd of texture that looks like it is designed to distribute force and further protect the device in case of a drop or other impact.
The ports line up perfectly. There are covers for the charging port, headphone jack, and even the S-pen. I like the complete protection (and this is the best S-Pen protection I've seen), but I will say that the S-Pen port is kind of hard to squeeze your finger into.
The front part of the case is supposed to snap on. Normally, I do not care for cases that are rigid inside, as I feel they jack up the phone's finish. While this may have been true of Samsung's previous chromed plastic bodies, I have no such concern about the aluminum edges of the Note 5.
Like the poster above, I tried to leave my glass screen protector on when first installing this case. It is obviously not designed for this. No fault of the manufacturer. My results were the same: a bowed out, unresponsive, mushy feeling screen cover. In addition, the convex fit made an easy access point around the camera, speaker and home button for dust and lint, which soon began to accumulate. So, I took off my glass. After doing this, the front of the case snapped on snugly with a satisfying "click". The screen protector, which is visibly thicker than that of the Otterbox Defender, sat flush and tight on the surface of my phone. Two days after taking off the glass(which I left on for two days), I see nothing accumulating under the screen at all. I am seeing some very fine scratches, but nothing visible.during normal use. And, for the record, I only clean my phone's screen/screen protector with lens cleaning wipes. Never dry. And my phone is usually in my pocket when not in use. I work indoors in clean dry conditions.
The front of the case goes on easily (once you remove your glass lol). The back, like most rubber over plastic cases, stretches slightly over the back and hugs a lip on the front of the case. It fits snugly and well, ....except for one part. The lower left. Not a huge deal, but it just doesn't seem to sit flush like the rest of the case, no matter what I do. There is a pic of this corner attatched. But, aside from that small quibble (well, small to me, YMMV), the fit is good and solid. Even the part that isn't 100% flush doesn't feel loose or mushy.
The case is bulky, no doubt. Either you like the way that feels in the hand or you don't. The back of the case is hard plastic with some rubber ridges. The sides are rubber with a barely visible micro texturing that seems to add a nice grip. The phone is not slippery in the hand. Nor is it slippery on a table, whether laid on its front or back. Though big, the phone feels good in the hand, not slippery or slimy. If you use your phone in landscape mode a lot, you need to be mindful of the "loop" on the top left corner. It may get in your way, prompting you to flip your device over to play your game or watch your video.
The lip around the screen has a nice angle to it, so you don't feel like you have to worry about hitting the screen anywhere. It doesn't interfere with the function at all. Can't really say the same for the port around the camera. It's deep and plenty protective, but it doesn't have any kind of bezel or anything like I've seen on some Note 5 cases. This can make it feel like you're "digging" for the heart rate monitor, which is kind of a pain.
The buttons are perfectly covered. But they do feel a little spongy. In addition, the sides of the case are angled inward, kind of under the top, almost like a saucer, get me? This angle has the effect of making the button pushes feel slightly awkward.
The hole around the speaker is deep (the rubber here is very thick) and more tube like than funnel shaped. This has the effect of changing the sound from the bottom speaker somewhat. Making it kind of "canned" sounding.
The kickstand is good and solid. It sets the phone at a good angle for viewing/gaming in landscape mode (but again, you have to be mindful of where the loop is). It works in portrait mode as well, but I dont know if it is intended to be used that way
The case is kind of a bear to take on and off. I put my phone into an armband when I run, so I take mine out of the case a lot. I found a workaround (jamming the thing case and all into my old Note 3 armband lol).
Lastly, as the previous reviewer noted, wireless charging does not work with this case. I must say, as common as wireless charging is becoming, this seems like a grave oversight.
At the end of the day, the phone offers good, solid protection, looking very good while doing it. But it does seem to sacrifice form in favor of function. For those who require, or just like, like solid protection, don't mind bulk, and don't need the case to slip on and off like butter, this may be the case for you. It certainly is substantial and protective. But it isn't terribly user friendly in some respects, maybe even less so than other cases of its type. In any event, even though I generally prefer a slimmer case, I am.in no hurry to switchn and will probably continue to use this one until the next time I absolutely have to charge wirelessly or wear skinny jeans. I don't see it as a daily driver for me. Partially because I just prefer smaller cases (which is no reflection on the product or manufacturer)n and partly because this case does seem to have a few drawbacks. I can definitely see myself using this for occasions when I am traveling or feel the need for extra protection. Ultimately, I have mixed feelings about the case. It has its strengths and weaknesses.
Pros: solid, offers complete coverage and protection, dual-layer (plastic/rubber), thick, and snug screen protector, covered ports, kickstand, nice grip, good looking, great value for the price (around $20)
Cons: S-Pen difficult to reach, difficult heart rate monitor access, bulky, loop adds bulk and reduces ease of use, buttons mushy and slightly awkward, no wireless charging, case affects speaker sound
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I have my Nexus 6 in a full case but the case leaves a cut out in the back for the camera and the Motorola M.
I currently have an old screen protector between the case and the phone to protect my camera from being scratched or damaged.
The problem with this is that the LED ring causes a haze due to the light being reflected back from the screen protector and the images don't always turn out correctly.
I was looking for a two piece protector, one to go over the camera lens and one to go over the remaining exposed back area. The only thing I found like this is Skin Wraps, but they don't protect the camera lens. (Something like this: https://slickwraps.com/nexus-5-lens-protector.html)
I have dogs stepping on my phone every day and those claws are bound to put a nice scratch in my camera if it's left unprotected.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to protect the camera lens? or know of something that can cut a perfect circle out of an old screen protector that would fit the lens area?
Personally i think you're going at this from the wrong angle. I've had my N6 for well over a year and there isn't a mark on it, and I achieved this simply by making sure that it never goes into a pocket with anything else - coins, keys, etc. I gave up on screen protectors when I had a Galaxy S2 and discovered that the protector was a filth magnet and made the screen sticker to swipe - screen protectors are (IMO) a solution looking for a problem.
I agree with this guy about the camera glass:
http://www.reasontouse.com/phone/nexus-6-scratches/
The camera glass is not only pretty tough anyway, but the focal length of the camera means that any slight scratches will have an imperceptible impact on the photos. In order to show, the scratch would have to be so monstrous that you may as well replace the unit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8461hhYxLU
I totally get why you want to do this - I like to keep my phones in good condition too - but there's a line between wanting to keep them good and becoming overly-cautious to the point that you don't even enjoy taking them out for fear of damage...
Just a personal opinion for consideration...
Hello Everyone,
Been using the S21U for 2 weeks now and I have recently noticed micro scratches on the lens element!
The phone is in transparent TPU case since day 1 and I have hardly went outdoors. I traded off my S20+ and the camera bump didn't had a single line from 10 months of usage.
Has anyone encountered this? Maybe others can have a closer look now at their devices.
Any insights, suggestions on what needs to be done or can be prevented will be welcome!
Really sorry to hear that. Just out of precaution, I have placed a whitestone dome glass protector on mine, just because I dont want to experience anything like that with a EUR1300 phone. Not that much expensive and you get two protectors in the box.
shetty08 said:
Hello Everyone,
Been using the S21U for 2 weeks now and I have recently noticed micro scratches on the lens element!
The phone is in transparent TPU case since day 1 and I have hardly went outdoors. I traded off my S20+ and the camera bump didn't had a single line from 10 months of usage.
Has anyone encountered this? Maybe others can have a closer look now at their devices.
Any insights, suggestions on what needs to be done or can be prevented will be welcome!
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how was it scratched? only from keys?
Be very wary of scratching this phone. I recently figured out that the S21 Ultra supposedly does not have the same Victus glass design as the Note 20 Ultra... It has a slightly modified form of Victus that's much, much thinner (as it's covered by another, easily scratch-able glass material...and so the cameras might be like this too)... So instead of being resistant to most micro-scratches, they are actually easier to get and become permanent immediately on this phone (learned this by scratching my display with denim jeans - no metal/button contact) =(.
I'm just assuming that they're doing this to increase their glass repair jobs... Granted, Apple has been doing this with their iPhones for an extremely long time now... But hey, Samsung has started acting kinda like they're the Apple-like company of Android, lol.
im sorry, but you what?
you scratched glass with jeans?
I'm a stainless steel fabricator do I'm in the worst possible job for scratching phones so have the screen and camera protected, ESR TPU for the front and LK glass for the camera, don't even notice they are on at all and only coast 20 yo-yos for both
The lenses don't scratch easily, but depending on what you do during your day you might end up with stuff in your pockets that will do it. There are a lot of glass protectors for the cameras out there for the S21U, for example in the US you can get a 2-pack from Spigen for $12, and a bunch more that are even cheaper.
If you get one, get one of the blacked out ones, You will get artifacts in your photos from the flash/AF light as they get channeled across the glass of the protector if you don't; learned that one from using clear cases over the years.
Are you sure the lenses are scratched or the camera bump? Because the camera bump is not made of glass! It's metal and the darker colors of phones will be a horrible one, especially phantom black!!
That's not the lense. It's a factory protector.
May have been marred during assembly.
Don't sweat as it can be replaced if needed. A very slight may no effect the images at all but because the otherall area is so small it might. Protectors are a waste of money; it -is- the lense protector!
Any added optic elements will degrade the image.
It's possible to polish out micro scratches with a clean, dry finger tip by rubbing back and forth on glass or antireflective coatings. Takes at least 30 minutes or more... if it really bugs you. Yes dry callus is abrasive and hard enough to polish glass.
Likewise even the smallest amount of grit, sand etc rubbed against it by your finger can marred it.
Don't use that opening in the case as a pickup point.
It can also be marred by improper cleaning. Only use a clean dry microfiber cloth. Wet it a little if need be. Ordinary cotton cloth will eventually cause scratches owing to unseen debris it picked up. Seen many a pair of glasses made of glass scratched like this. Grit stinks into the microfiber material away from the surface being cleaned helping to protect it.
My 10+ lense protector is plastic. I live in the desert. I occasionally clean it but only with a microfiber cloth the same way I treat high dollar optics. No damage after a year and a half.
Just use a good case with a raised cam guard.
blackhawk said:
That's not the lense. It's a factory protector.
May have been marred during assembly.
Don't sweat as it can be replaced if needed. A very slight may no effect the images at all but because the otherall area is so small it might. Protectors are a waste of money; it -is- the lense protector!
Any added optic elements will degrade the image.
It's possible to polish out micro scratches with a clean, dry finger tip by rubbing back and forth on glass or antireflective coatings. Takes at least 30 minutes or more... if it really bugs you. Yes dry callus is abrasive and hard enough to polish glass.
Likewise even the smallest amount of grit, sand etc rubbed against it by your finger can marred it.
Don't use that opening in the case as a pickup point.
It can also be marred by improper cleaning. Only use a clean dry microfiber cloth. Wet it a little if need be. Ordinary cotton cloth will eventually cause scratches owing to unseen debris it picked up. Seen many a pair of glasses made of glass scratched like this. Grit stinks into the microfiber material away from the surface being cleaned helping to protect it.
My 10+ lense protector is plastic. I live in the desert. I occasionally clean it but only with a microfiber cloth the same way I treat high dollar optics. No damage after a year and a half.
Just use a good case with a raised cam guard.
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Hey thanks man for the reassuring reply!
As I said in the post, Its barely been 2 weeks and I didn't even travelled much, put it in jeans with keys, coins etc. It was lying dormant with little use.
On close inspection in direct sunlight / outdoors. I saw lines which are underneath the lens glass and not on the surface.
I just don't want the image quality to suffer and plus the service center sucks (experience in dealing with S20+)
Not sure if they will acknowledge it or tag it as a user handling damage.
What are my options?
nightoooo said:
Are you sure the lenses are scratched or the camera bump? Because the camera bump is not made of glass! It's metal and the darker colors of phones will be a horrible one, especially phantom black!!
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The lens area only, the bump I know is metal and it is intact.
shetty08 said:
Hey thanks man for the reassuring reply!
As I said in the post, Its barely been 2 weeks and I didn't even travelled much, put it in jeans with keys, coins etc. It was lying dormant with little use.
On close inspection in direct sunlight / outdoors. I saw lines which are underneath the lens glass and not on the surface.
I just don't want the image quality to suffer and plus the service center sucks (experience in dealing with S20+)
Not sure if they will acknowledge it or tag it as a user handling damage.
What are my options?
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If it's on the internal side there's no way you did. Make sure you specify that if returning it.
If it's on the inside without direct inspection it's hard to tell if it's on or into the glass.
It may simple be a smear albeit a hard to remove smear.
Either way shoddy assembly. Having put together thousands of display assemblies I was always careful that the internal surfaces were spotless.
They are selling camera protectors on aliexpress. However, they are not exactly sticking to the actual lens as they are slightly deeper. That basically would create s small gap between the camera lens and the protector. I would assume it MIGHT slightly degrade quality in some cases. Not sure but it may be worth trying out.
I solved all these problems I bought
Galaxy S21 Ultra Case with Camera Cover,S21 Ultra Slim
https://www.amazon.com/Polycarbonate-Protective-Shockproof-Upgraded-Samsung/dp/B08RRTLX71
shetty08 said:
Hello Everyone,
Been using the S21U for 2 weeks now and I have recently noticed micro scratches on the lens element!
The phone is in transparent TPU case since day 1 and I have hardly went outdoors. I traded off my S20+ and the camera bump didn't had a single line from 10 months of usage.
Has anyone encountered this? Maybe others can have a closer look now at their devices.
Any insights, suggestions on what needs to be done or can be prevented will be welcome!
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I solved all these problems I bought
Galaxy S21 Ultra Case with Camera Cover,S21 Ultra Slim
oraned said:
I solved all these problems I bought
Galaxy S21 Ultra Case with Camera Cover,S21 Ultra Slim
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I had one of these on my note20u ugliest case ever! But yeah it did its job of protecting.
blackhawk said:
If it's on the internal side there's no way you did. Make sure you specify that if returning it.
If it's on the inside without direct inspection it's hard to tell if it's on or into the glass.
It may simple be a smear albeit a hard to remove smear.
Either way shoddy assembly. Having put together thousands of display assemblies I was always careful that the internal surfaces were spotless.
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hey man,
this smear or minute lines on the inside or whatever is really bugging me!
My experience with samsung support (In my region and India) hasn't been good in the past. They all act as fools who recommend factory reset via their tool for every issue.
My question is will samsung own this or pass on the blame to me as improper handling or usage marks.
I just don't want the already botched up image processing to suffer further.
shetty08 said:
hey man,
this smear or minute lines on the inside or whatever is really bugging me!
My experience with samsung support (In my region and India) hasn't been good in the past. They all act as fools who recommend factory reset via their tool for every issue.
My question is will samsung own this or pass on the blame to me as improper handling or usage marks.
I just don't want the already botched up image processing to suffer further.
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Samsung phone support sucks, real bad.
You can send it in as it's clearly their fault but that will take a lot of time.
Remove back cover and clean or replace if need be. Make sure you have the OEM adhesive strips needed to reassemble it. The replacement lense protector is held on by an adhesive strip*.
It may be easier to get the whole OEM rear panel assembly.
If you do it yourself use heat carefully/evenly and take as long as it takes to carefully pry it open without breaking it. A small amount of isopropyl alcohol can be injected to help break the adhesive seal.
*it maybe replaceable without taking off the rear cover but that maybe hard or impossible to do without marring the cover.
adamlee2012 said:
Keys/coins couldn't scratch the glass anyway. Physically impossible as the glass is harder.
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Sand will easily scratch it. The OP stated that the marks are on the inside, an assembly blunder.
satanatos said:
Really sorry to hear that. Just out of precaution, I have placed a whitestone dome glass protector on mine, just because I dont want to experience anything like that with a EUR1300 phone. Not that much expensive and you get two protectors in the box.
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I just got the Whitestone lens protector myself it's pretty awesome stays on REAL well and adds a bit more sexiness to the already sexy camera bump
Just wondering if anyone with the Phantom Black S21 Ultra has noticed any scratches, chips, flaking paint or other damage to the flat black painted area of the camera hump after months of use?
Just installed another glass protector and wondering if I even need this this thing?
Better safe than sorry
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Just wondering if anyone with the Phantom Black S21 Ultra has noticed any scratches, chips, flaking paint or other damage to the flat black painted area of the camera hump after months of use?
Just installed another glass protector and wondering if I even need this this thing?
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Not sure how resistant to scratches it is. After watching JerrRigEverything's durability test video, it appears that the aluminum housing of the camera is more scratch prone than the glass back (makes sense as aluminum is softer than glass). Didn't want to find out the hard way, so slapped on a skin on the phone two days after I got it. Doesn't add bulk (phone is too big for me to use with a case) and the peace of mind that the underlying surfaces are scratch proof is just priceless.
But every once in a while when i change skins (I like to change up the appearance every month or so) I marvel at how beautiful the Phantom black color looks in its pristine naked glory. Wish I was brave enough to rock it butt naked, but I'd probably have a meltdown if a scratch appeared anywhere.
So it's a skins and a liquid skin protector sandwich for me... at all times.
Spigen Platinum screen protector and clear back case! Shows off the Phantom Black while still being protected. Perfect for me! Never naked... That's bad mojo.
You need a good case or the phone will get destroyed.
The built in cam lens protector is replaceable. Any additional optical elements will degrade the image.
oh thankfully I am not the only. I do really thought that I am just careless enough to have this scratch thing on flat area on my back camera. felt relieved now that it is easily scratch. So I guess need to find a protector on this part now but really got no problem since the lenses are really fine.
kimLJT said:
oh thankfully I am not the only. I do really thought that I am just careless enough to have this scratch thing on flat area on my back camera. felt relieved now that it is easily scratch. So I guess need to find a protector on this part now but really got no problem since the lenses are really fine.
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Sand is hard enough scratch any glass...
blackhawk said:
Sand is hard enough scratch any glass...
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yeah thanks for this but I am fully aware about it and since from s9 plus to my s21 I never installed protection of my screen and camera and everything is fine. it is just that this s21 flat black area on camera bump scratch easily and it is a bit annoying like what the OP said but got no problem with the glasses
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yeah thanks for this but I am fully aware about it and since from s9 plus to my s21 I never installed protection of my screen and camera and everything is fine. it is just that this s21 flat black area on camera bump scratch easily and it is a bit annoying like what the OP said but got no problem with the glasses
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A good case prevents direct contact.
I rarely even have to clean mine. After over 1.5 years the plastic factory lense protector has no scratches or marring. Simply clean with a dry microfiber cloth...
One drop onto concrete and a corner or display hit can destroy a phone. Internal components including chipsets can be destroyed by high G impacts. A case spreads out the G loading to within tolerable levels.
blackhawk said:
A good case prevents direct contact.
I rarely even have to clean mine. After over 1.5 years the plastic factory lense protector has no scratches or marring. Simply clean with a dry microfiber cloth...
One drop onto concrete and a corner or display hit can destroy a phone. Internal components including chipsets can be destroyed by high G impacts. A case spreads out the G loading to within tolerable levels.
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I just can't bear the color nor brightness shift with protector installed. I just rely all the protection with my case, actually bought a bunch of screen protectors already before my phone arrived and yeah didn't installed it .
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I just can't bear the color nor brightness shift with protector installed. I just rely all the protection with my case, actually bought a bunch of screen protectors already before my phone arrived and yeah didn't installed it .
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I've been using Gorilla IQ Sheild for over a year. A wet apply plastic that holds up very well. After a year the first one had very slight yellowing. Good for at least 6 months. Just don't stretch it, at all and make sure there's no lint or dust on the display before applying (it will create unremovable bubbles). Because it's a wet apply you have more leeway placing it but try to get it close when you first lay it down, tic-tok...
Works well on a curved screen and sets up completely in a couple hours. If it lifts up on a corner as long as you don't get dust under or stretch it, you can successfully push back in place. Pretty cool, self healing and cheap.
The Bolt case is a tight fit so placement is critical. I wet sand the inner surfaces of the case corner with #600 grit to make sure it's smooth.
Bottom of the phone goes in first, then both top corners are snapped in place in unison. Done.
The outer shell snaps on easily. Botton side goes on first but come off last during break down.
Every 2 months or so I disassemble the case to clean the interior to prevent grit from marring the side rail finish.
Screen protectors are a curse to apply. That's one reason I like this brand so much. It's fairly forgiving... and cheap if you goof up. So far even though I have extras, I've gotten on right the first time. This last one though I missed 3 pieces of lint that were from my microfiber cloth, my bad
I wish they would just make the whole phone thick enough so there were no camera bumps whatsoever. The "glass" covering/protecting the camera elements can be made of scratch resistant sapphire. With the increased interior volume comes a two working day battery, ~6500mAh.
One can dream, right?
cpufrost said:
I wish they would just make the whole phone thick enough so there were no camera bumps whatsoever. The "glass" covering/protecting the camera elements can be made of scratch resistant sapphire. With the increased interior volume comes a two working day battery, ~6500mAh.
One can dream, right?
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At one point Apple was considering using a sapphire covered display.
For the camera not sure sapphire has the needed optical qualities... likely doesn't.
Optical quality is fine as in real world use it will NEVER be optimal with handling and fod contamination.
Apple's covers claim to be sapphire but not a good quality such as the crystal on the SS watches.
In any case it would be far better to have the entire thing smooth instead of individual lens protrusions. The shaver look started with the 11 pro and continues with the 12 pro series. Looks like the 13 pro they will stick out even further!
Oh and bring back the ceramic backs on the higher end models! The 512GB and 1TB S10+ models with ceramic back were the bomb!
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Optical quality is fine as in real world use it will NEVER be optimal with handling and fod contamination.
Apple's covers claim to be sapphire but not a good quality such as the crystal on the SS watches.
In any case it would be far better to have the entire thing smooth instead of individual lens protrusions. The shaver look started with the 11 pro and continues with the 12 pro series. Looks like the 13 pro they will stick out even further!
Oh and bring back the ceramic backs on the higher end models! The 512GB and 1TB S10+ models with ceramic back were the bomb!
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It can not be smooth. 3 individual lens.
Law of refraction... for every optical layer you add you create more refaction. High dollar multiple element lense systems go to great lengths to minimize and correct for this effect.
The added element also can create internal reflections that are pure demons.
Because of the very limited space using curvature on the optics is also limited as is diameter. That also means minimum corrective elements. It's not uncommon to see a dozen expensive optical elements in a pro lense. Just one element is more expensive than the whole cam phone to produce.
There are a lot of conflicts and compromises...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/seekingalpha.com/amp/article/2080353-cornings-gorilla-glass-is-optically-superior-to-sapphire
There's little doubt sapphire is inferior to the specialized glasses used for advance camera lenses or even a good Heliopan UV filter for anti reflective and light transmission qualities.
They can definitely have a single cover over everything and have great results. I have a tempered glass cover over my 12 Pro Max array, makes it super easy to clean and pictures turn out fine even at night with bright pinpoint light sources.
Internal reflections are already ridiculous stock. Many photos have to be touched up and video is even worse before CV19 and live gigs were a thing.
The other optical parameters are on a level that isn't going to matter much on such tiny phone sensors and optics without making them prohibitively expensive. We don't need optics with high spec scratch/dig qualities!
And while sapphire may be inferior to glass, as soon as the glass is scratched even at a micron level, its optical quality is far worse. In either case one can see it's a moot point in real world as many photos/videos are witnessed with heavy optical aberrations on pinpoint sources because the lens covers are smudged to hell and back. Don't even get me started on vertical video syndrome! ;-)
A last thing I will add, the OnePlus 9 pro did not exhibit the reflections like my S21 Ultra or 12 Pro Max. I doubt the fact that having Hasselblad's name on it has much to do with things but it's definitely noticeable. Both the 12 Pro Max AND 1+ 9 Pro ruin the audio on video with awful zoom feature. At least allow users to turn that off!