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Hi, under the recommendation of several people, I removed the stock thin film that protected the lens of the back camera. Is there a good way to protect it from scratch? Right now, I am using the SGP Ultra Capsule Series case as shown in the URL.
http://www.spigen.com/sgp-samsung-galaxy-note-case-ultra-capsule-series.html
Thanks.
hajime_android said:
Hi, under the recommendation of several people, I removed the stock thin film that protected the lens of the back camera. Is there a good way to protect it from scratch? Right now, I am using the SGP Ultra Capsule Series case as shown in the URL.
http://www.spigen.com/sgp-samsung-galaxy-note-case-ultra-capsule-series.html
Thanks.
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That's overkill, just buy the Flip Cover, it will add 1mm around your camera lenses.
Since the Device sees the outside world through the Camera , using a layer on the camera will affect the amount of light getting in to camera and hence the quality of the image captured by the device will be low. So using a layer on the camera for protecting it from scratches is not a good option , it will protect the camera from the scratches but it will destroy the sole purpose of the camera. So alternative option will be using a case that can make the camera grooved-in and hence it can give considerable protection as camera surface will be grooved-inside the shell case.Choose the case wisely to get this kind of setup.
The glass covering the camera lens is almost flush with the aluminium border and the plastic back, so when you lay the phone on a flat surface it will almost touch it.
There are very thin cases, that add only 1 mm thickness to the phone and help separate the lens cover from the desk.
I'm trying to use InvisibleShield back proctector, it adheres well to the back cover, after a few days drying it does not seem that it's going to peel-off, and it helps maintaining the camera cover from touching the table.
hajime_android said:
Hi, under the recommendation of several people, I removed the stock thin film that protected the lens of the back camera. Is there a good way to protect it from scratch? Right now, I am using the SGP Ultra Capsule Series case as shown in the URL.
http://www.spigen.com/sgp-samsung-galaxy-note-case-ultra-capsule-series.html
Thanks.
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What you already have is sufficient. Its not that easy to scratch the camera lens, and anything you put in front of it will in some way spoil the quality of your shots. Its not as though there is something available like a UV filter that you would use on an SLR camera. My advise, is just go out and take pictures.
I bought the Real look screen protector from amazon and it comes with 4 tiny screen protector for the back camera. Best imo, but I haven't tried any others
I also got scratches there. Sammy you disappointed again
Get a case with camera shutter.
Sammy used cheap material again, it should have been gorilla glass.
Boy124 said:
I also got scratches there. Sammy you disappointed again
Get a case with camera shutter.
Sammy used cheap material again, it should have been gorilla glass.
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Just out of curiosity, what effect has that had on your picture quality? It shouldn't be that noticeable, if at all, unless its big damage that is. Usually. small scratches cause a 'softening' of the focus, but shouldn't be that apparent, unless your really looking for it. I'm not making excuses for samsung though, and indeed they would probably call it a feature, where your phone will take increasingly romantic soft photographs over time.
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Just out of curiosity, what effect has that had on your picture quality? It shouldn't be that noticeable, if at all, unless its big damage that is. Usually. small scratches cause a 'softening' of the focus, but shouldn't be that apparent, unless your really looking for it. I'm not making excuses for samsung though, and indeed they would probably call it a feature, where your phone will take increasingly romantic soft photographs over time.
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Got 3-4 scratches at the edge, so it did not affect picture quality.
I always used to put the phone face-down but still got scratches.
Boy124 said:
Got 3-4 scratches at the edge, so it did not affect picture quality.
I always used to put the phone face-down but still got scratches.
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Its about what I expected. I wouldn't worry too much. I have an old clam phone and that is scratched to hell, but the pics don't show any noticeable effects. I know its far from a like for like comparison. Also, we used to scrub uv filters with scotch bright to make our own soft focus filters. You would be amazed at how much 'scratching' we had to do before we started to notice any effect. I know you want to treasure your investment, but I would get on and use it to the full. :good:
i got 4 scratches there.. can lense be replaced?
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My Zenus PrintFolder protects the camera nicely. Love this case!
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Just made a rectangular piece of cheap plastic nd glued another plastic foldable holder for my x play. So now during photo time unfold nd zip down nd den zip up. Easy DIY nd works like a charm...
I know this seems like a strange idea, but are there any cover cases for the LCD? I'm thinking primarily of protecting the LCD from bumps.
Also, I've noticed that setting the camera on a flat surface (powered off), it wants to roll towards the lens. I may add a little sugru kickstand under the lens to help stabilize.
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I know this seems like a strange idea, but are there any cover cases for the LCD? I'm thinking primarily of protecting the LCD from bumps.
Also, I've noticed that setting the camera on a flat surface (powered off), it wants to roll towards the lens. I may add a little sugru kickstand under the lens to help stabilize.
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Personally I'm typically against covers and 'armor' for modern mobile devices and especially for this camera. The reason is that in many cases, the chemical glass used for the device is going to be far superior to a cheep cover you put over it. No matter how amazing the protective film is seen to be in the ads. I have put mine through the wringer in the short time I have had it... like my iPhone the screen is crazy difficult to scratch or otherwise mar. Further, any additional layer may create a slightly false representation of colours, brightness and contrast when processing images.
Ultimately, like any camera, I would suggest a good case/pouch more over a screen protector.
I know what you mean about the tipping forward. When mine is not in the pouch and on a flat surface, I typically store mine with the screen down. It's a non-issue.
Hi,
I'm enhoying this device right now and I want to discuss the stock screen protector - it comes actually with two - for the small screen and for the large screen.
1) I'm not sure if I want to remove the protection of the small screen. The protector looks solid and I might to keep it on it.
2) The protection layer on the large display feels not that good as it is probably not a glass one? Samsung told that removing is possible (by samsung not by user!) but they dont recommend it. I dont like fingerprints and I dont like moving fingers on it (dont know proper english to describe it)
so anyone here who removed the protection layer on the large screen or the small screen?
Yeah, I like the idea of that screen protector... but man does it get fingerprints and grease on it. Makes it look terrible. I will hold off as long as I can but I think it will eventually come off.
I picked it off (from around the camera cutout) on day 1, no issues here. Screen feels much better (almost as good as regular glass phones), and it looks much cleaner.
Far easier to get the smudges off with a microfiber cloth now. I'm much happier with the screen protectors taken off!
Are you going to get another one?
I wonder if applying an olephobic coating to the installed protector would help at all?
The feel of the big screen protector is awkward, but I'd like to keep it on. It kinda feels like a self healing layer. Had a tiny dent in it but after a few hours it was gone...
Anyone else has the same experience?
I have removed the protector from the small screen in the day 2. I'm considering to remove the protection from the large screen because my fingerprints are all over it and I do not like the touch of this protector. The only thing I want to know (and I will wait) after a month of using someone who took it off if there is no big issues (of courtse I can live with some small scratches as maximum usability for this phone will be 2 years anyway)
I'm so tempted to take the inner protector off. Hate the "sticky" feel of it. Not smooth like glass.... Looks like it's a stretchy rubber like material. Hate to risk it though
Here is a link from someone who goes through the whole process of taking it off by samsung itself.
so I have decided to peel it off (simply grab it from the camera hole ) and it feels soooo much better and so much crisper. Lets see how long it will take to destroy the screen lol
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So does the actual screen have an oleophobic coating?
Also does anyone know if this affects the 'discounted screen replacement in first year' benefit?
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festr said:
so I have decided to peel it off (simply grab it from the camera hole ) and it feels soooo much better and so much crisper. Lets see how long it will take to destroy the screen lol
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What's the status now? No scratches?
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What's the status now? No scratches?
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No scratches. When I have it open I'm careful to not drop it of course. I have the phone in pocket and I'm careful to not have it with any other things which would get in between the phone.
The feel of the screen is like you touch glass - no more sticky plastic cover nonsense.
I removed the inner screen protector:
1. It was easy (just used a piece of paper to lift protector near camera hole). Peeled off like any other protector.
2. It no longer feels like a sticky rubbery screen, it feels like glass.
3. Fingerprints are no longer the big issue. It obviously has an oleophobic coating.
4. Any fingerprints are removed far easier.
5. The screen does not feel fragile. Without any protection there's a possible risk it will scratch easier but as long as you avoid anything abrasive on your cloth or in your pocket etc I am confident it will be fine.
Incidentally, I think microfibre cloths that are too fluffy should be avoided as they trap fine particles of grit. I use the ultra fine ones, usually used for glass care.
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after week of no inner protection - still no scratches and still the feeling is like pure glass experience. I did not need to clean the display besides getting rid of dust by very slightly using my cloth.
I had removed the protection by just using fingernail around the camera slowly peeling off the layer - you cannot do any damage if you are just careful and pulling it too fast for example. It is easier than it might look.
one week in is not a concern -- several weeks from now chime back in...
Can someone please show me how to install the Verizon outer screen protector? It looks incredibly complicated. Pulling Tab 1 and pressing halfway then pull tab 2 while pulling bottom yada yada yada. Jeez.
Hello Everyone,
Been using the S21U for 2 weeks now and I have recently noticed micro scratches on the lens element!
The phone is in transparent TPU case since day 1 and I have hardly went outdoors. I traded off my S20+ and the camera bump didn't had a single line from 10 months of usage.
Has anyone encountered this? Maybe others can have a closer look now at their devices.
Any insights, suggestions on what needs to be done or can be prevented will be welcome!
Really sorry to hear that. Just out of precaution, I have placed a whitestone dome glass protector on mine, just because I dont want to experience anything like that with a EUR1300 phone. Not that much expensive and you get two protectors in the box.
shetty08 said:
Hello Everyone,
Been using the S21U for 2 weeks now and I have recently noticed micro scratches on the lens element!
The phone is in transparent TPU case since day 1 and I have hardly went outdoors. I traded off my S20+ and the camera bump didn't had a single line from 10 months of usage.
Has anyone encountered this? Maybe others can have a closer look now at their devices.
Any insights, suggestions on what needs to be done or can be prevented will be welcome!
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how was it scratched? only from keys?
Be very wary of scratching this phone. I recently figured out that the S21 Ultra supposedly does not have the same Victus glass design as the Note 20 Ultra... It has a slightly modified form of Victus that's much, much thinner (as it's covered by another, easily scratch-able glass material...and so the cameras might be like this too)... So instead of being resistant to most micro-scratches, they are actually easier to get and become permanent immediately on this phone (learned this by scratching my display with denim jeans - no metal/button contact) =(.
I'm just assuming that they're doing this to increase their glass repair jobs... Granted, Apple has been doing this with their iPhones for an extremely long time now... But hey, Samsung has started acting kinda like they're the Apple-like company of Android, lol.
im sorry, but you what?
you scratched glass with jeans?
I'm a stainless steel fabricator do I'm in the worst possible job for scratching phones so have the screen and camera protected, ESR TPU for the front and LK glass for the camera, don't even notice they are on at all and only coast 20 yo-yos for both
The lenses don't scratch easily, but depending on what you do during your day you might end up with stuff in your pockets that will do it. There are a lot of glass protectors for the cameras out there for the S21U, for example in the US you can get a 2-pack from Spigen for $12, and a bunch more that are even cheaper.
If you get one, get one of the blacked out ones, You will get artifacts in your photos from the flash/AF light as they get channeled across the glass of the protector if you don't; learned that one from using clear cases over the years.
Are you sure the lenses are scratched or the camera bump? Because the camera bump is not made of glass! It's metal and the darker colors of phones will be a horrible one, especially phantom black!!
That's not the lense. It's a factory protector.
May have been marred during assembly.
Don't sweat as it can be replaced if needed. A very slight may no effect the images at all but because the otherall area is so small it might. Protectors are a waste of money; it -is- the lense protector!
Any added optic elements will degrade the image.
It's possible to polish out micro scratches with a clean, dry finger tip by rubbing back and forth on glass or antireflective coatings. Takes at least 30 minutes or more... if it really bugs you. Yes dry callus is abrasive and hard enough to polish glass.
Likewise even the smallest amount of grit, sand etc rubbed against it by your finger can marred it.
Don't use that opening in the case as a pickup point.
It can also be marred by improper cleaning. Only use a clean dry microfiber cloth. Wet it a little if need be. Ordinary cotton cloth will eventually cause scratches owing to unseen debris it picked up. Seen many a pair of glasses made of glass scratched like this. Grit stinks into the microfiber material away from the surface being cleaned helping to protect it.
My 10+ lense protector is plastic. I live in the desert. I occasionally clean it but only with a microfiber cloth the same way I treat high dollar optics. No damage after a year and a half.
Just use a good case with a raised cam guard.
blackhawk said:
That's not the lense. It's a factory protector.
May have been marred during assembly.
Don't sweat as it can be replaced if needed. A very slight may no effect the images at all but because the otherall area is so small it might. Protectors are a waste of money; it -is- the lense protector!
Any added optic elements will degrade the image.
It's possible to polish out micro scratches with a clean, dry finger tip by rubbing back and forth on glass or antireflective coatings. Takes at least 30 minutes or more... if it really bugs you. Yes dry callus is abrasive and hard enough to polish glass.
Likewise even the smallest amount of grit, sand etc rubbed against it by your finger can marred it.
Don't use that opening in the case as a pickup point.
It can also be marred by improper cleaning. Only use a clean dry microfiber cloth. Wet it a little if need be. Ordinary cotton cloth will eventually cause scratches owing to unseen debris it picked up. Seen many a pair of glasses made of glass scratched like this. Grit stinks into the microfiber material away from the surface being cleaned helping to protect it.
My 10+ lense protector is plastic. I live in the desert. I occasionally clean it but only with a microfiber cloth the same way I treat high dollar optics. No damage after a year and a half.
Just use a good case with a raised cam guard.
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Hey thanks man for the reassuring reply!
As I said in the post, Its barely been 2 weeks and I didn't even travelled much, put it in jeans with keys, coins etc. It was lying dormant with little use.
On close inspection in direct sunlight / outdoors. I saw lines which are underneath the lens glass and not on the surface.
I just don't want the image quality to suffer and plus the service center sucks (experience in dealing with S20+)
Not sure if they will acknowledge it or tag it as a user handling damage.
What are my options?
nightoooo said:
Are you sure the lenses are scratched or the camera bump? Because the camera bump is not made of glass! It's metal and the darker colors of phones will be a horrible one, especially phantom black!!
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The lens area only, the bump I know is metal and it is intact.
shetty08 said:
Hey thanks man for the reassuring reply!
As I said in the post, Its barely been 2 weeks and I didn't even travelled much, put it in jeans with keys, coins etc. It was lying dormant with little use.
On close inspection in direct sunlight / outdoors. I saw lines which are underneath the lens glass and not on the surface.
I just don't want the image quality to suffer and plus the service center sucks (experience in dealing with S20+)
Not sure if they will acknowledge it or tag it as a user handling damage.
What are my options?
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If it's on the internal side there's no way you did. Make sure you specify that if returning it.
If it's on the inside without direct inspection it's hard to tell if it's on or into the glass.
It may simple be a smear albeit a hard to remove smear.
Either way shoddy assembly. Having put together thousands of display assemblies I was always careful that the internal surfaces were spotless.
They are selling camera protectors on aliexpress. However, they are not exactly sticking to the actual lens as they are slightly deeper. That basically would create s small gap between the camera lens and the protector. I would assume it MIGHT slightly degrade quality in some cases. Not sure but it may be worth trying out.
I solved all these problems I bought
Galaxy S21 Ultra Case with Camera Cover,S21 Ultra Slim
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shetty08 said:
Hello Everyone,
Been using the S21U for 2 weeks now and I have recently noticed micro scratches on the lens element!
The phone is in transparent TPU case since day 1 and I have hardly went outdoors. I traded off my S20+ and the camera bump didn't had a single line from 10 months of usage.
Has anyone encountered this? Maybe others can have a closer look now at their devices.
Any insights, suggestions on what needs to be done or can be prevented will be welcome!
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I solved all these problems I bought
Galaxy S21 Ultra Case with Camera Cover,S21 Ultra Slim
oraned said:
I solved all these problems I bought
Galaxy S21 Ultra Case with Camera Cover,S21 Ultra Slim
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I had one of these on my note20u ugliest case ever! But yeah it did its job of protecting.
blackhawk said:
If it's on the internal side there's no way you did. Make sure you specify that if returning it.
If it's on the inside without direct inspection it's hard to tell if it's on or into the glass.
It may simple be a smear albeit a hard to remove smear.
Either way shoddy assembly. Having put together thousands of display assemblies I was always careful that the internal surfaces were spotless.
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hey man,
this smear or minute lines on the inside or whatever is really bugging me!
My experience with samsung support (In my region and India) hasn't been good in the past. They all act as fools who recommend factory reset via their tool for every issue.
My question is will samsung own this or pass on the blame to me as improper handling or usage marks.
I just don't want the already botched up image processing to suffer further.
shetty08 said:
hey man,
this smear or minute lines on the inside or whatever is really bugging me!
My experience with samsung support (In my region and India) hasn't been good in the past. They all act as fools who recommend factory reset via their tool for every issue.
My question is will samsung own this or pass on the blame to me as improper handling or usage marks.
I just don't want the already botched up image processing to suffer further.
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Samsung phone support sucks, real bad.
You can send it in as it's clearly their fault but that will take a lot of time.
Remove back cover and clean or replace if need be. Make sure you have the OEM adhesive strips needed to reassemble it. The replacement lense protector is held on by an adhesive strip*.
It may be easier to get the whole OEM rear panel assembly.
If you do it yourself use heat carefully/evenly and take as long as it takes to carefully pry it open without breaking it. A small amount of isopropyl alcohol can be injected to help break the adhesive seal.
*it maybe replaceable without taking off the rear cover but that maybe hard or impossible to do without marring the cover.
adamlee2012 said:
Keys/coins couldn't scratch the glass anyway. Physically impossible as the glass is harder.
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Sand will easily scratch it. The OP stated that the marks are on the inside, an assembly blunder.
satanatos said:
Really sorry to hear that. Just out of precaution, I have placed a whitestone dome glass protector on mine, just because I dont want to experience anything like that with a EUR1300 phone. Not that much expensive and you get two protectors in the box.
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I just got the Whitestone lens protector myself it's pretty awesome stays on REAL well and adds a bit more sexiness to the already sexy camera bump
Just wondering if anyone with the Phantom Black S21 Ultra has noticed any scratches, chips, flaking paint or other damage to the flat black painted area of the camera hump after months of use?
Just installed another glass protector and wondering if I even need this this thing?
Better safe than sorry
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Just wondering if anyone with the Phantom Black S21 Ultra has noticed any scratches, chips, flaking paint or other damage to the flat black painted area of the camera hump after months of use?
Just installed another glass protector and wondering if I even need this this thing?
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Not sure how resistant to scratches it is. After watching JerrRigEverything's durability test video, it appears that the aluminum housing of the camera is more scratch prone than the glass back (makes sense as aluminum is softer than glass). Didn't want to find out the hard way, so slapped on a skin on the phone two days after I got it. Doesn't add bulk (phone is too big for me to use with a case) and the peace of mind that the underlying surfaces are scratch proof is just priceless.
But every once in a while when i change skins (I like to change up the appearance every month or so) I marvel at how beautiful the Phantom black color looks in its pristine naked glory. Wish I was brave enough to rock it butt naked, but I'd probably have a meltdown if a scratch appeared anywhere.
So it's a skins and a liquid skin protector sandwich for me... at all times.
Spigen Platinum screen protector and clear back case! Shows off the Phantom Black while still being protected. Perfect for me! Never naked... That's bad mojo.
You need a good case or the phone will get destroyed.
The built in cam lens protector is replaceable. Any additional optical elements will degrade the image.
oh thankfully I am not the only. I do really thought that I am just careless enough to have this scratch thing on flat area on my back camera. felt relieved now that it is easily scratch. So I guess need to find a protector on this part now but really got no problem since the lenses are really fine.
kimLJT said:
oh thankfully I am not the only. I do really thought that I am just careless enough to have this scratch thing on flat area on my back camera. felt relieved now that it is easily scratch. So I guess need to find a protector on this part now but really got no problem since the lenses are really fine.
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Sand is hard enough scratch any glass...
blackhawk said:
Sand is hard enough scratch any glass...
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yeah thanks for this but I am fully aware about it and since from s9 plus to my s21 I never installed protection of my screen and camera and everything is fine. it is just that this s21 flat black area on camera bump scratch easily and it is a bit annoying like what the OP said but got no problem with the glasses
kimLJT said:
yeah thanks for this but I am fully aware about it and since from s9 plus to my s21 I never installed protection of my screen and camera and everything is fine. it is just that this s21 flat black area on camera bump scratch easily and it is a bit annoying like what the OP said but got no problem with the glasses
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A good case prevents direct contact.
I rarely even have to clean mine. After over 1.5 years the plastic factory lense protector has no scratches or marring. Simply clean with a dry microfiber cloth...
One drop onto concrete and a corner or display hit can destroy a phone. Internal components including chipsets can be destroyed by high G impacts. A case spreads out the G loading to within tolerable levels.
blackhawk said:
A good case prevents direct contact.
I rarely even have to clean mine. After over 1.5 years the plastic factory lense protector has no scratches or marring. Simply clean with a dry microfiber cloth...
One drop onto concrete and a corner or display hit can destroy a phone. Internal components including chipsets can be destroyed by high G impacts. A case spreads out the G loading to within tolerable levels.
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I just can't bear the color nor brightness shift with protector installed. I just rely all the protection with my case, actually bought a bunch of screen protectors already before my phone arrived and yeah didn't installed it .
kimLJT said:
I just can't bear the color nor brightness shift with protector installed. I just rely all the protection with my case, actually bought a bunch of screen protectors already before my phone arrived and yeah didn't installed it .
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I've been using Gorilla IQ Sheild for over a year. A wet apply plastic that holds up very well. After a year the first one had very slight yellowing. Good for at least 6 months. Just don't stretch it, at all and make sure there's no lint or dust on the display before applying (it will create unremovable bubbles). Because it's a wet apply you have more leeway placing it but try to get it close when you first lay it down, tic-tok...
Works well on a curved screen and sets up completely in a couple hours. If it lifts up on a corner as long as you don't get dust under or stretch it, you can successfully push back in place. Pretty cool, self healing and cheap.
The Bolt case is a tight fit so placement is critical. I wet sand the inner surfaces of the case corner with #600 grit to make sure it's smooth.
Bottom of the phone goes in first, then both top corners are snapped in place in unison. Done.
The outer shell snaps on easily. Botton side goes on first but come off last during break down.
Every 2 months or so I disassemble the case to clean the interior to prevent grit from marring the side rail finish.
Screen protectors are a curse to apply. That's one reason I like this brand so much. It's fairly forgiving... and cheap if you goof up. So far even though I have extras, I've gotten on right the first time. This last one though I missed 3 pieces of lint that were from my microfiber cloth, my bad
I wish they would just make the whole phone thick enough so there were no camera bumps whatsoever. The "glass" covering/protecting the camera elements can be made of scratch resistant sapphire. With the increased interior volume comes a two working day battery, ~6500mAh.
One can dream, right?
cpufrost said:
I wish they would just make the whole phone thick enough so there were no camera bumps whatsoever. The "glass" covering/protecting the camera elements can be made of scratch resistant sapphire. With the increased interior volume comes a two working day battery, ~6500mAh.
One can dream, right?
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At one point Apple was considering using a sapphire covered display.
For the camera not sure sapphire has the needed optical qualities... likely doesn't.
Optical quality is fine as in real world use it will NEVER be optimal with handling and fod contamination.
Apple's covers claim to be sapphire but not a good quality such as the crystal on the SS watches.
In any case it would be far better to have the entire thing smooth instead of individual lens protrusions. The shaver look started with the 11 pro and continues with the 12 pro series. Looks like the 13 pro they will stick out even further!
Oh and bring back the ceramic backs on the higher end models! The 512GB and 1TB S10+ models with ceramic back were the bomb!
cpufrost said:
Optical quality is fine as in real world use it will NEVER be optimal with handling and fod contamination.
Apple's covers claim to be sapphire but not a good quality such as the crystal on the SS watches.
In any case it would be far better to have the entire thing smooth instead of individual lens protrusions. The shaver look started with the 11 pro and continues with the 12 pro series. Looks like the 13 pro they will stick out even further!
Oh and bring back the ceramic backs on the higher end models! The 512GB and 1TB S10+ models with ceramic back were the bomb!
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It can not be smooth. 3 individual lens.
Law of refraction... for every optical layer you add you create more refaction. High dollar multiple element lense systems go to great lengths to minimize and correct for this effect.
The added element also can create internal reflections that are pure demons.
Because of the very limited space using curvature on the optics is also limited as is diameter. That also means minimum corrective elements. It's not uncommon to see a dozen expensive optical elements in a pro lense. Just one element is more expensive than the whole cam phone to produce.
There are a lot of conflicts and compromises...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/seekingalpha.com/amp/article/2080353-cornings-gorilla-glass-is-optically-superior-to-sapphire
There's little doubt sapphire is inferior to the specialized glasses used for advance camera lenses or even a good Heliopan UV filter for anti reflective and light transmission qualities.
They can definitely have a single cover over everything and have great results. I have a tempered glass cover over my 12 Pro Max array, makes it super easy to clean and pictures turn out fine even at night with bright pinpoint light sources.
Internal reflections are already ridiculous stock. Many photos have to be touched up and video is even worse before CV19 and live gigs were a thing.
The other optical parameters are on a level that isn't going to matter much on such tiny phone sensors and optics without making them prohibitively expensive. We don't need optics with high spec scratch/dig qualities!
And while sapphire may be inferior to glass, as soon as the glass is scratched even at a micron level, its optical quality is far worse. In either case one can see it's a moot point in real world as many photos/videos are witnessed with heavy optical aberrations on pinpoint sources because the lens covers are smudged to hell and back. Don't even get me started on vertical video syndrome! ;-)
A last thing I will add, the OnePlus 9 pro did not exhibit the reflections like my S21 Ultra or 12 Pro Max. I doubt the fact that having Hasselblad's name on it has much to do with things but it's definitely noticeable. Both the 12 Pro Max AND 1+ 9 Pro ruin the audio on video with awful zoom feature. At least allow users to turn that off!