Well I'm a little mad at my phone I'm going to a 3g only phone because on the tmobile map it shows 4g availible in my area and no 4g struggle for 3g half the time...now what phone should I get?
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dakkywantstodocrazysht said:
Well I'm a little mad at my phone I'm going to a 3g only phone because on the tmobile map it shows 4g availible in my area and no 4g struggle for 3g half the time...now what phone should I get?
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Maybe wait for the LG 2X as it's supposed to have bands for T-Mo AND AT&T.
(That might future proof you in case AT&T actually gets their way. And not to mention dual core )
Otherwise I say Nexus S
For those coming from the LTE you know of which I speak.
How is the LTE/3G hand off?
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Its been good for me, but I never had any problems with my lte either.
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It's been very smooth for me unlike my wife's SGS3 which has a long pause while switching from one to the other.
It works a lot better than the HTC EVO 4G LTE, had both side by side in the same area. Doesn't take long to switch to 4G, the LTEvo however wouldn't connect without toggling airplane mode.
Much improved over the lte.
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It hands off fine in really good signal areas,much better than the Evo LTE..But my Galaxy Note II picks up 4G almost any where there's 4G. Where as the One does not..
But from what i've noticed this may actually be better because in a lot of these areas with my Note II it would say 4G but when running a benchmark it would be just as bad as 3G and sometimes not transmit data at all even with the 4G icon..
But all day yesterday anytime my One said 4G i had actual 4G(>6MB/down).
Keeps changing back in forth
With my One at the house it keeps changing back and forth from LTE to 3g when i had my SG3 it constantly stayed on LTE
Agree. Approved greatly. On the LTE I would switch on/off the airplane mode to get my 4g back going
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So I'm on a road trip, and I brought my N4 (on T-Mobile USA) along for the ride. I decided to stay the night in Savannah, GA. After checking into my hotel, I took my phone out of my pocket and saw something I've never seen before. It was showing a data connection as "3G" rather than the usual "H" for HSPA or "E" for EDGE. I had to do a double take. Curious, I went to Settings-About Phone-Status and checked the network type. It was "UMTS:3". Obviously that means T-Mobile's network refarming has happened here and 1900 MHz UMTS is live.
Here's the thing, though. The radio keeps switching between "3G" and "H" every few seconds, seemingly unable to figure out which one it wants to hold onto. The phone is still usable but I still find it annoying. Of course, the vast majority of T-Mobile phones would never experience this since they hardly ever have support for 1900 MHz, but I'm curious if other N4 owners living in areas where T-Mobile has lit up 1900 MHz UMTS are having this issue as well? In the end, the phone may be usable, but the constant switching is playing hell on my OCD!!
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At least the refarming is done where you're at, I'm still impatiently waiting.
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At least the refarming is done where you're at, I'm still impatiently waiting.
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Yeah but at this rate I'm hoping they either fix this in a Nexus 4 radio update (maybe make it prefer HSPA over UMTS, but I don't know if that would cause problems outside the US), or never light it up in my home market. haha
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I just came from Verizon of 12 years and a gs3. I'm on umts at my home in rural Atlanta ga. It does the same switching as you say. I just thought that was normal gsm behavior .... phone is idle then 3g is active. Phone queries the net (open browser etc...) and H kicks in.
On another note the H speeds here are almost equal to vzw lte, I'm impressed
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oldblue910 said:
Yeah but at this rate I'm hoping they either fix this in a Nexus 4 radio update (maybe make it prefer HSPA over UMTS, but I don't know if that would cause problems outside the US), or never light it up in my home market. haha
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I just noticed you're in Durham, I'm in Winston.
Has the refarm taken effect by you?
My phone does this then pulls the h on demand I am in Detroit metro area. I still pull high download speeds and don't have a problem with the change over. Honestly until I read this post I thought this was normal. Do do a speed test see if it is slower or faster then your use to.
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I just noticed you're in Durham, I'm in Winston.
Has the refarm taken effect by you?
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No it hasn't, and hopefully it won't before there's a radio update to fix it (if they'd even bother fixing it)!
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I have had my N4 for only a couple months, but it has been doing that ever since I got it. I am in the Farmington, MO area too though. I thought it was just normal, as this is the first time I have had a decent phone and be on a plan rather than prepay.
Mine has always behaved like that. My nexus one and gnex too.
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Weird. mine had never done this except here in Savannah. Is anyone else here running stock?
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I'm on all stock and I've never seen the 3G label. I'm out here in Portland, OR, and SLC, UT. I just figured our phones were only capable of G, E, and H labels.
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I find it wierd that you've never seen the 3G label. Normally you camp on 3G (UMTS) and it'll flip to "H" for HSPA+ when data's transferring either up, down, or both. This has been normal over the years, until there were modifications on T-Mobile's side to display 4G all the time for devices that were HSPA+ capable.
I'm stock unrooted
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Mi|enko said:
I find it wierd that you've never seen the 3G label. Normally you camp on 3G (UMTS) and it'll flip to "H" for HSPA+ when data's transferring either up, down, or both. This has been normal over the years, until there were modifications on T-Mobile's side to display 4G all the time for devices that were HSPA+ capable.
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This never happened on my G2 nor my Nexus S. The only way that happened on the Nexus S was when running a custom ROM.
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oldblue910 said:
This never happened on my G2 nor my Nexus S. The only way that happened on the Nexus S was when running a custom ROM.
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GS2, Samsung edited to reflect 4G. Most customers would be perplexed by the constant camping on 3G, then flipping to H (HSPA+ which is branded as T-Mobile 4G), so the just modified their network bits in their OS to reflect 4G all the time. As far as the Nexus S, that's just a 3G device not capable of the HSPA+ bandwidth (it topped out at 7mbps).
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I always have a H when idle and H+ when using the Internet. Never seen 3G label on my N4 till date
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GS2, Samsung edited to reflect 4G. Most customers would be perplexed by the constant camping on 3G, then flipping to H (HSPA+ which is branded as T-Mobile 4G), so the just modified their network bits in their OS to reflect 4G all the time. As far as the Nexus S, that's just a 3G device not capable of the HSPA+ bandwidth (it topped out at 7mbps).
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Yeah on the G2, the Froyo ROM showed H all the time, never 3G. For the Gingerbread ROM, though, it was changed to show 2G and 4G.
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I have a note 2 and you probably don't care, but my phone goes from H to 3G then to 4G for some reason in the DMV area. Tmobile too
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sandy-achar said:
I always have a H when idle and H+ when using the Internet. Never seen 3G label on my N4 till date
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Could redact differently based on the carrier and/or cell tower. Here's a conversation from the Galaxy Nexus forums.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2138601
All in all though, this is pretty well known and documented.
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Note_2 said:
I have a note 2 and you probably don't care, but my phone goes from H to 3G then to 4G for some reason in the DMV area. Tmobile too
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Sounds like you're running an AOSP rom on your N2. 3G for UMTS, H for HSPA+, and 4G for the LTE. If you were on a stock TMo ROM, it'd be 4G for UMTS and HSPA+, then 4G LTE for LTE.
Important to note is that the status bar icons ate just that. . .icons. You could actually modify these to display whatever you wanted. If I wanted it to say 8G when on LTE, I'd just have to make a custom icon and bake it in. Doesn't mean I actually have an 8G network.
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thats normal behavior, it changes to H when there is data flow. it just depends on the area and the signal/coverage in the area. on a custom rom, i see it change from a H to a H+ all the time(when data is flowing). rarely, i see a 3G.
Has there ever been a radio update to change this a little higher on any other phone? Dropping to 3G from LTE is killer.. I usually leave my phone in CDMA only in my home town area but I went to a launched area this passed week where the roll out is in the 90% complete zone and it still drops from 4G to 3G a lot..
Just wondering if a radio update has ever fixed an issue like this on any other devices in the past.
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There have been radio updates on the past on other phones that helped but thus far not for the ONE yet
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Yup, I think we r over 80% here in austin Texas and it happens to me all day long. My bud just got his T-Mobile One and he hits 20-25 mbps no matter where and when he does a speed test. I could kick myself in the ass for staying with sprint.
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sand1303 said:
Yup, I think we r over 80% here in austin Texas and it happens to me all day long. My bud just got his T-Mobile One and he hits 20-25 mbps no matter where and when he does a speed test. I could kick myself in the ass for staying with sprint.
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Was thinking about getting the one but after my evo lte was having lte issues and the one seems to have the same I passed . The one is a beautiful phone but dropping lte all the time was a deal breaker .
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parmend said:
Was thinking about getting the one but after my evo lte was having lte issues and the one seems to have the same I passed . The one is a beautiful phone but dropping lte all the time was a deal breaker .
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I don't think the phone is the problem buddy. I think it's a network issue. So unless u are planning on actually leaving sprint it shouldn't be a deal breaker.
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I don't think it's a phone issue but my Note II holds LTE like a champ but damn I don't want to lug that thing around anymore after having the One for this long.. dbm levels are the same on the Note it just doesn't drop to 3G until the -130 range where as the One drops it around -117dbm... I'm holding out on a possible radio update before I do anything drastic like going back to the Note II.
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sand1303 said:
I don't think the phone is the problem buddy. I think it's a network issue. So unless u are planning on actually leaving sprint it shouldn't be a deal breaker.
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If that's the case then my s4 would have those issues as well but it doesn't . not trying yo start a phone war but HTC or sprint need to get it right .
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It's network and phones that are the issue. First off, it shoildnt be that much of a problem to drop to 3g, as long as the data still works. Buut 3g is worthless usually with no throughput.
Then these HTC phones can't hold on (or wont) to lte for ****, for whatever reason. The iPhone 5, gs3, and 4 all held 4g, and when they dropped it, it quickly moved back up to 4g. This phone, on the other hand, will drop 4g, sit with NO data connection for a while, then connect to worthless 3g while still in a 4g blanketed area.
Then on the LTE topic...I've been waiting and waiting but this crap seems to get slower and slower as time passes. Plenty of times I will get less than 1mbps. Ive been waiting almost 2 years for them to get it together but it seems that it won't be happening. Back to tmobole (<10 mbps always) I go
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Well I keep telling myself I need to try a galaxy but the build of the HTC phones keep luring me in. Maybe with this phone being a more popular model because it is across different carriers unlike the Evo line the devs can find away to adjust the settings of the hardware. It is very annoying when my T-Mobile buddy constantly pulls 15-25 mbps on his speed tests and I look at mine and see 3g icon on top. I know there is lte out there we r 80% complete here
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What us different about the G2 that my daughter gets LTE in areas that I don't, it's really pissing me off
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josh030181 said:
What us different about the G2 that my daughter gets LTE in areas that I don't, it's really pissing me off
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Unfortunately, HTC has never really been a strong RF performer. Even though the M8 is a huge step up from devices like the EVO LTE and M7, that only puts it into the “average” category. However, the M8 should be somewhat on-par with the G2, according to these articles:
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/entry-362-teaser-how-does-htc-m8-rf-performance-stack-up/
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/...-first-announced-sprint-tri-band-lte-handset/
Have you checked to see what the reception is on both devices when they’re next to each other? You should either look at one of the engineering screens or use SignalCheck.
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Unfortunately, HTC has never really been a strong RF performer. Even though the M8 is a huge step up from devices like the EVO LTE and M7, that only puts it into the “average” category. However, the M8 should be somewhat on-par with the G2, according to these articles:
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/entry-362-teaser-how-does-htc-m8-rf-performance-stack-up/
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/...-first-announced-sprint-tri-band-lte-handset/
Have you checked to see what the reception is on both devices when they’re next to each other? You should either look at one of the engineering screens or use SignalCheck.
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I hadn't checked the reception between the 2 devices side by side, me and her have been in three different areas so far where she had lte and I only get 3g, even when in the house she stays connected to lte where in some rooms mine kicks back to 3g.
I had both the evo lte and the m7, the m8 does have better reception the the 2.
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I know this might not be of help since it's comparing a different phone and city but with my M7 and now my M8 I got LTE in places that my fiances LG Optimus G didn't get LTE. Same goes with her new Note 3, I find my M8 usually gets much better speeds as well.
May be something going on with your phone.
To me HTC was above Samsung but below moto
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