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Is anyone working on a port of Cyanogenmod 7 for the N2E?
Good Question!!! Should go to general section.
I have not heard any one working on it yet. May be some one is doing something silently and will post one its ready for test. I do not expect to run to many apps on the Eink display. So the nooted version is good enough for me.
This would take a long time. CM7 is made for color devices, and even normal ports take some time. The devs would have to put off everything else and by the time we got one the World would be moving to to better and greater things.... but you're welcome to hope
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This would take a long time. CM7 is made for color devices, and even normal ports take some time. The devs would have to put off everything else and by the time we got one the World would be moving to to better and greater things.... but you're welcome to hope
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Not true at all, this really wouldn't be that much different then a port for any other device. Android is not compiled to be "color specific" or even screen type specific for that matter. This is the reason you see wvga, qhd etc. Its really just dependent upon pixel density and this is just a build.prop modification to take care of that. But there would be other problems that would not be solved such as video due to obvious restrictions of e ink.
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Well... I looked into it a while ago and found that there is a bit more to the eink display then what is in the asop kernel in cm7. There is a module that controls the eink refresh and dsp with the stock kernel and probably a few other things that are needed. I was partially successful mixing the kernel from stock with cm7 user space, however, obviously things were missing to the point it wouldn't come up far.
I am by no means an expert on cm7 though.
I have no plans to make a port. I don't even have a Nook touch.
Ditto.
(and... ten.)
I'm with the stock LG ROM on the LG Thrill.
Can I do something to make my phone faster.
Yes roms and the right tweaks and this phone is awesome
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A custom ROM will make your phone run faster. There are you can tweak the build.prop and other things like scripts to improve the phone as well. Right now I just flashed the Mokee v1.0 ROM and it is the best ROM I have ever used on this phone. I would definitely recommend getting a CM7 ROM as long as you don't care about 3D and HDMI as they are broken currently with CM7.
I find the phone quite snappy, but then again I'm coming from a Samsung Epic. That phone was good but is getting very long in the tooth. I'm using Thrillseeker 2.1 on mine and so far I can say yes, it does improve the phone's speed. Next on the to try list is CM7(which is downloading on my phone as we speak). It's a boring day at work, might as well be productive, right?
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I find the phone quite snappy, but then again I'm coming from a Samsung Epic. That phone was good but is getting very long in the tooth. I'm using Thrillseeker 2.1 on mine and so far I can say yes, it does improve the phone's speed. Next on the to try list is CM7(which is downloading on my phone as we speak). It's a boring day at work, might as well be productive, right?
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The right kernel is really all you need ... But you need to know about basebands also if you wanna get into that .. if you wanna keep it simple just download a few different roms and see what works best for you
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A custom ROM will make your phone run faster. There are you can tweak the build.prop and other things like scripts to improve the phone as well. Right now I just flashed the Mokee v1.0 ROM and it is the best ROM I have ever used on this phone. I would definitely recommend getting a CM7 ROM as long as you don't care about 3D and HDMI as they are broken currently with CM7.
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hi dude can you explain further about that scripts and how to usw that? tnx a lot dude
Actually, I've been fighting this for a while.
Sometimes the phone is blazing, other times it chugs like molasses.
I've slowly chipped away at the issues, because it's obvious not everybody has these issues, but considering how many times I've tried custom ROMs and kernels, and nothing fixes it, it has to be something I'm running.
Over time, I got rid of Folder Organizer, because that seemed to make it chug. The device seems to have very little RAM and it goes REALLY slow when it's close to full. I also tried things like deleting the downloaded files for the GameLoft titles to speed up the media search on boot. (Less files searched, less RAM used, right?)
Recently one change I made that seemed to help IMMENSELY was uninstalling SwiftKey. I'd LOVE if I could get some help confirming. The circle-swipe to unlock seems much smoother, even after a day, after getting rid of SwiftKey. I'm guessing it just used too much RAM.
At this point, I'd be at a lost otherwise. I changed launchers and used CPU monitors to see what's using up all the CPU, but came up empty.
Additionally, if you haven't tried using Seeder, I'd install that. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987032
Hellozzzzz..
I have been searching for long bt i am confused about camera on CM9!!
Someone says its impossible n someone says that its possible!
Can I know is it really available?? If yes, then how long we'll have to wait? :thumbup:
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Hellozzzzz..
I have been searching for long bt i am confused about camera on CM9!!
Someone says its impossible n someone says that its possible!
Can I know is it really available?? If yes, then how long we'll have to wait? :thumbup:
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Wait for GalaxyICS team build.
In Ace section you will found Camera working for Ace, GalaxyICS team working source for our device to.
so wait it on Galaxy ICS site news.
There is a discussion thread about it , why to create a new thread again ?
Cheers
Camcoder and HW acceleration in that ROM will never work because qualcomm hasn't released the OpenMAX codecs... even if they manage to make it all working anyway, i'm not going to use that hacked and unstable rom - and probably very little group of people will use it. CM7.2 is just fine, why the hell someone wants ICS so badly, I haven't found a single advantage over Gingerbread except saying android 4.0 in about menu...
Go flash CM7 or any other GB rom and enjoy, stop waiting for something that you will never be satisfied with.
Okk.. thanx for your replies guys..
N yes CM7 is still gud but i have tried CM9 built 7 n its very smooth n stable.. only cam isn't working.. anyways.. thnx agn.. )
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Okk.. thanx for your replies guys..
N yes CM7 is still gud but i have tried CM9 built 7 n its very smooth n stable.. only cam isn't working.. anyways.. thnx agn.. )
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Agreed, CM9 stable and smooth, the only bug for me is camera, But CM7 has many many bugs ..
BTW, If you want to fix lockcreen and usb layouts go there:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1705900
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It all depends on opinions, layout of ics is better than GB or cm7 so that attracts people towards ics. I'd definitely use it if they manage to get camera working.
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Agreed, CM9 stable and smooth, the only bug for me is camera, But CM7 has many many bugs ..
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You are the one that has bugs in his mind, obviously. CM9 stable? CM7 buggy? Who are trying to screw here mate? ONLY bug that CM7 has for our device is camera orientation - but fix for that exist, although i'm not using it - because the bug is easy to understand. If you start the camera app while holding your phone in landscape mode, orientation if fine. If you start it in portrait mode, then it rotates for 90* - you can rotate it back to where it should be in just one tap on the screen.
CM9? LDPI UI optimisations suck big time, lacks RAM, needs swap to operate normally on our phone -> LAGS, heavy duty apps tend to crash, the rom itself is bigger than CM7 -> less internal memory left -> sd-ext a must -> more LAG! Not to mention camera... there is some other tiny stuff that bug me, but theese are the major ones.
Gotta screw arround to make V6 SuperCharger working right, no hassle on Gingerbread. Half of apps need to be designed for ICS, GB apps tend to have bugs too, so more and more fails i don't even want to touch on. Does it still have problems when i try another lockscreen style other than default? Accept button on caller reciever screen showing the half only... i just don't have strenght to go on.
Was locking up on my phone pretty frequently, so i returned back. And you know what - with a little bit of time, you can make your Mini run like a completely different phone - i deleted like 20 apps that come stock with official CM7.2 - system is much more responsive and i keep all my apps in internal memory - don't even have sd-ext and swap partitions on my SD card (that would slow up my system since i have class 4 sd card, but it will acctualy slow the system down no matter what card i am using). Slammed V6 SuperCharger script on it - flies!. And, to add the cherry to the cake - i've set cpu governor to ondemand and lowest frequency to 122MHz - happy battery! Don't need to worry if my deepsleep works or not...
Sorry, I just had to write this post, somebody would think CM9 in this stage acttualy is better than CM7.2. I am not saying it can't get better, but you really got to understand that there are no ICS libs drivers for our device, and hacking Gingerbread ones won't make us go anywhere - its like putting a Yugo 45hp engine in a Bugatti... i mean cmon, its better to tune that crappy engine a little bit, dump out the back seats, lighten the body, than to put the engine in the heavy Bugatti. Hope you understood this anology, it really explains the situation about ICS for our device. (yes we have Adreno 200 GPU drivers, but transmission does not make the whole car )
Maybe i'll open somebody's eyes, maybe somebody will hate me, or somebody will find himself insulted - i don't give a damn, the situation is the way it is - there is no way arround it.
Cheers!
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You are the one that has bugs in his mind, obviously. CM9 stable? CM7 buggy? Who are trying to screw here mate? ONLY bug that CM7 has for our device is camera orientation - but fix for that exist, although i'm not using it - because the bug is easy to understand. If you start the camera app while holding your phone in landscape mode, orientation if fine. If you start it in portrait mode, then it rotates for 90* - you can rotate it back to where it should be in just one tap on the screen.
CM9? LDPI UI optimisations suck big time, lacks RAM, needs swap to operate normally on our phone -> LAGS, heavy duty apps tend to crash, the rom itself is bigger than CM7 -> less internal memory left -> sd-ext a must -> more LAG! Not to mention camera... there is some other tiny stuff that bug me, but theese are the major ones.
Gotta screw arround to make V6 SuperCharger working right, no hassle on Gingerbread. Half of apps need to be designed for ICS, GB apps tend to have bugs too, so more and more fails i don't even want to touch on. Does it still have problems when i try another lockscreen style other than default? Accept button on caller reciever screen showing the half only... i just don't have strenght to go on.
Was locking up on my phone pretty frequently, so i returned back. And you know what - with a little bit of time, you can make your Mini run like a completely different phone - i deleted like 20 apps that come stock with official CM7.2 - system is much more responsive and i keep all my apps in internal memory - don't even have sd-ext and swap partitions on my SD card (that would slow up my system since i have class 4 sd card, but it will acctualy slow the system down no matter what card i am using). Slammed V6 SuperCharger script on it - flies!. And, to add the cherry to the cake - i've set cpu governor to ondemand and lowest frequency to 122MHz - happy battery! Don't need to worry if my deepsleep works or not...
Sorry, I just had to write this post, somebody would think CM9 in this stage acttualy is better than CM7.2. I am not saying it can't get better, but you really got to understand that there are no ICS libs drivers for our device, and hacking Gingerbread ones won't make us go anywhere - its like putting a Yugo 45hp engine in a Bugatti... i mean cmon, its better to tune that crappy engine a little bit, dump out the back seats, lighten the body, than to put the engine in the heavy Bugatti. Hope you understood this anology, it really explains the situation about ICS for our device. (yes we have Adreno 200 GPU drivers, but transmission does not make the whole car )
Maybe i'll open somebody's eyes, maybe somebody will hate me, or somebody will find himself insulted - i don't give a damn, the situation is the way it is - there is no way arround it.
Cheers!
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my god!
such a long review!
bt good enough for complete info!
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Really opened my eyes and here I was dreaming about jellybean on our mini.
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But you should look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1705900
and here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27256479&postcount=618
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27256529&postcount=619
GalaxyICS haven't tass yet, so they cannot fix layouts for LDPI devices.
Best Regards
I'm glad you're open for chill disscusion - haven't saw that kind of person for a long time . Hats off!
Community patches... are they awesome and helpfull - yes for sure! But think of filling your SDcard with like 10 patches that you need to flash after flashing the ROM, and the incompatibility that might occur between them - that's not something i want to think of on my "daily drive" phone .
Yeah, they don't have our device and thats really unfortunate - but they will get it fixed. Untill then... again, tiny and undetailed ('cause of ldpi, not nececarily the rom - ICS really wasn't designed with LDPI in mind - but increasing the size WILL help!) icons in the notification bar, and some other stuff is not something that gets me to flash their rom, although i did it, just to see how far they came with developing some other stuff.
For not having the device, GalaxyICS team is doing a really great job IMO, kudos to devs!
I'm somewhat of a person who wants perfection, but this is far from stable, again, in my oppinion. If you can use it - go for it, but i think people are flashing custom ROMs to make their device better in all areas, not just the looks or the performance, which in CM9 roms are both mediocre. Our device is crap, and the moment I (and you, at some point) understood that it's outdated POS, i realised that i can't get much better than this.
Guys, people are begging for CM7 on Galaxy Young - and you were (probably) doing that too. Now we want CM9, and this trolling and spamming arround the forum just discourages the devs and they will eventually leave and get another device for which they will develop roms. Think about it - they are not diretcly paid for their hard work - they pull out some money through ads and such things. Some of them don't get a single penny!
I've written something i did not want to, but hey, i'm not in the mood to retype all this in another shape and form - just fine like it is now.
If you wait patiently (for the OP, and for the rest that are waiting), try out some other roms and tweaks, time will fly faster and you will probably learn some other things along the way!
I've tried some custom ROMs, I've read some reviews from the users of those ROMs. I wonder, why some people gets some bugs, and the others not getting that bugs?
Some people said that 'this ROM is very bad, everything force closes, laggy, blah blah blah. I've wipe data and cache but it's still...' but the others said 'this is the best ROM, no major bugs mentioned so far.'
What do you think makes this things happening?
How i see it is that user try out the ROM for 5-10 mins and don't run into problems and report thigs like this - that everything runs fine.
You should use it for quie a bit to try out every single par of it - maybe you won't recieve a call in that short period, but if you use it for a couple days, you sure will, and then you will notice the call accept button bug for example in CM9.
Also, not every person takes the bug the same way - somebody doesn't mind the call accept button bug, so they don't report it - you can accept the call but... yeah, its a unexplainable bug
This is just an example, many things go on like this. Also for the camera orientation bug in CM7.2 - i was always starting the camera in the orentation that doesn't cause the bug. Never tried to start it when rotating the phone, so i wasn't noticing the bug. Somebody is different than me, he starts the camera with his phone rotated - and poof, there you have the bug every time.
well i have tried almost all roms that have been released for at least a week before posting any review according to my experience even cm7 has a long way to go in terms of stability and performance. what actually happens is that we all keep tryin roms and roms but forget what a rom is made for. choice differs from person to person if i were asked to choose gb ics and jellybean on our mini then i would anytime go with gb. like if you like looks then miui stability stock or stock based customization cm based and so on and so forth.bugs are not in roms but in our mentality a dev works hard day and night just to see the smile on our faces which even he cant see so please dont spam and discourage any dev who knows if all our devs got together they might make a completely new os for our mini. all the devs i am with you and will always be with you.
Hi, two questions.
1)
Can anyone suggest a 10.x stablish ROM to try for this tablet?
I gave it to a realtive running CM 9.1, and I'd like to upgrade them. However as it will not be in my hands it needs to largely work. They don't use it as a phone, so it doesn't matter if anything related to that is broken. They mostly use it for games, music, browsing, and taking pictures.
I have good success with nightlies on my own personal devices but unfortunately can't do much trail and error on this one. I've been going through a lot of the posts here as far as what's available, but am hoping someone can suggest something.
2)
Does anyone know if CM, or someone else, is planning to release a stable 10.x build for this?
I'd thought there would be a 10.1 released, but it seems to have been skipped in favor of 10.2, and now i'm wondering if everyone's going to jump to 11 nightly/experimentals next :/ and no one is ever going to relase a stable 10.x
thanks!
I can't recommend any ROMs to you as I don't have a CDMA Device with which to base an opinion on.
But, I can recommend you to download this App called GooManager from the Play Store. It should link you to some ROMs that are compatible with your CDMA Phablet.
As to which Ones the best? I'll have to leave that up to you....
As for Games you picked the wrong Device. The Galaxy Tab only has 512Mb RAM in it, and a 1Ghz Single Core ARM CPU in it. In short you're not gonna play many Games on this. Not in my experience anyway. Unless you like lots, and lots of lag, and force close pop-ups. Then its a different story. Sadly No ROM can ever fix this.
Ichijoe said:
I can't recommend any ROMs to you as I don't have a CDMA Device with which to base an opinion on.
But, I can recommend you to download this App called GooManager from the Play Store. It should link you to some ROMs that are compatible with your CDMA Phablet.
As to which Ones the best? I'll have to leave that up to you....
As for Games you picked the wrong Device. The Galaxy Tab only has 512Mb RAM in it, and a 1Ghz Single Core ARM CPU in it. In short you're not gonna play many Games on this. Not in my experience anyway. Unless you like lots, and lots of lag, and force close pop-ups. Then its a different story. Sadly No ROM can ever fix this.
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thanks for the reply, device is okay for my relative they just play casual games, nothing that requires latest greatest device by any means, don't seem to have any problems.
I ended up installing the latest CM 10.2 nightly. Seems stable enough, has a few bugs related to icons on the home screen is all I'm noticing. Also seems to lack privacy guard though it's 10.2, one of the things I really wanted. I think the android version was 4.0.x something too, but don't recall for sure. I know it wasn't 4.3. Hopefully they'll release a stable at some point with at least privacy guard in it.
thanks again for your time.
Well if you think of something like Gameloft's My Little Pony Game to be casual, and nothing special, I got some bad news for you. The GT-P1000 (GSM Model) I really don't know what the SCH-I800 has. Only ever came with 512Mb of RAM, and a Single Core CPU. So the upshot of this is that that Game will lag. VERY BADLY, and freeze up on you. If your lucky you may get a prompt to force close the App. Otherwise you have to reboot. Sadly its not much better on my I9000 (Galaxy S) which is pretty much the same device internally Same ARM CPU, Same PowerVR GPU, and more importantly same amount of RAM. which is 512Mb. which is not really enough to play many Games with. The more apps you install the worse it all becomes.
My honest opinion of this Device (The GT-P1000), as is, is only good GPS Navigation / eBook reader / A/V Player. But, as for Games? Its not really something that this Device is cut out for. Perhaps I'm just playing the wrong Games. I'm sure you can still play Angry Birds on it, though. So you'll just have to see for yourself I guess.
As to having ICS 4.0.x I can tell you that its ICS by the fact you said its v4.0.x (Very likely v4.0.4!), Jelly Bean starts up 'round at v4.1.x and CM10 ROMs are in general all v4.1.2. CM10.1 ROMs are v4.2.x while CM10.2 have the latest version of Jelly Bean which is v4.3.x.
Given that a lot of stuff is broken past CM10 (i.e. from CM10.1 onwards) like the Front Camera (shooting Photos of yourself!) Video for Skype still should work, plus broken Bluetooth, are enough reasons to skip those ROMs for now.
I'm using Sapir's 20121207 CM10 ROM sadly its not back up on goo.im at the moment, and this ROM dose pretty much everything I need it to,
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Hi, two questions.
1)
Can anyone suggest a 10.x stablish ROM to try for this tablet?
I gave it to a realtive running CM 9.1, and I'd like to upgrade them. However as it will not be in my hands it needs to largely work. They don't use it as a phone, so it doesn't matter if anything related to that is broken. They mostly use it for games, music, browsing, and taking pictures.
I have good success with nightlies on my own personal devices but unfortunately can't do much trail and error on this one. I've been going through a lot of the posts here as far as what's available, but am hoping someone can suggest something.
2)
Does anyone know if CM, or someone else, is planning to release a stable 10.x build for this?
I'd thought there would be a 10.1 released, but it seems to have been skipped in favor of 10.2, and now i'm wondering if everyone's going to jump to 11 nightly/experimentals next :/ and no one is ever going to relase a stable 10.x
thanks!
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did you ever try the cm-10-20131006-NIGHTLY-p1c.zip nightly? Just curious as I think I'm on the same rom as you and am thinking of upgrading
Hey guys, been using cryogen on my nook for years now, and while I personally believe that it is much faster than stock, it always seems to eventually bog down, and run slow. While there might be an issue with apps or something else I'm doing wrong that keeps slowing down my nook that's not the MAIN purpose of this forum. I'm looking for the best build and settings to get the most out of my nook. Currently i'm running a recent nightly build with CM11, but was thinking about switching to snapshot for a more stable release. There are two things I want to know before doing this:
1. what is the fastest and most stable build available? I've heard in forums about a liquidsmooth build, slim builds, and obviously used nightlys but which is the best? Also CM10 or CM11 does it matter which?
2. What is the best settings for max performance? On nightly I can use the governor to up the CPU, and I know there's a ram setting, but what about the I/O scheduler? whats the optimal setting for this? Also whats the best map performance settings AND what is the best settings for performance/battery for when i'm not playing games but maybe just web browsing.
ONE FINAL NOTE:
There was a time where I enjoyed spending a week tweaking roms and trying to make experimental roms work but now I don't have time. SO what I'm looking for is a STABLE rom that doesn't need much tweaking and can simple be installed through CWM, and either the basic settings to max performance, or a third party program that will do it for me.
PS: these forums have been good to me these past years so I want to also shout out to everyone that contributes and say thank you.
Others may have differing opinions but I have tried all ROMs available and they all have their ups and downs. The nook hd + is a serviceable tablet and well worth what I paid for it but I have given up on the idea of finding a perfect configuration. My nook performs well enough at the moment to prevent my cheap nature from buying another tab.
That being said I am getting my son a nvidia shield tablet for Christmas so he will have to share
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Others may have differing opinions but I have tried all ROMs available and they all have their ups and downs. The nook hd + is a serviceable tablet and well worth what I paid for it but I have given up on the idea of finding a perfect configuration. My nook performs well enough at the moment to prevent my cheap nature from buying another tab.
That being said I am getting my son a nvidia shield tablet for Christmas so he will have to share
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I whole-heartedly agree with everything you said.
Except for the part about sharing your son's Christmas present. Good luck with that!
Better than nothing
Given that the first two reply were utterly useless I figured I would post what I have found so far. . . A rom called SlimKat is the fastest rom for the nook hd+ I personally have found. I was hoping that others would post USEFUL information to this forum reguarding other ROMS rather than just stating that the nook is limited (which everyone that owns one already knows hints why were are here in the first place). But if you too are looking for a fast rom try here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nook-hd/development/rom-dev-slimkat-4-4-4-build-8-1-t2894247/page6
I've yet to tweak it, so i'm not sure if there is a govenor on there or a way to improve how the RAM is used. And I still have no clue what an I/O scheduler does, but I didn't see one on this rom.
Useless, honest, whatever
Try mokee in original android development section. Nightlies are active, pretty stable , and it is interesting. Yes it is in Chinese at first but you can change language
I like slim kat but I get freezes when streaming videos for long periods.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2761812
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Try mokee in original android development section. Nightlies are active, pretty stable , and it is interesting. Yes it is in Chinese at first but you can change language
I like slim kat but I get freezes when streaming videos for long periods.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2761812
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That's probably fixed in the LiquidSmooth F2FS version (Pg. 5 of the LS thread), as it uses different PVR source. FWIW.
I actually find asking to be a moot point.
The roms will act differently according to your needs and uses. One rom may work well for someone and not well for another who's use of it constantly goes up against a bug or other problem. Or maybe you just won't like it.
Short story, just do a full recovery backup of what you currently use and then try the others. When you like one try it for a week. If you dislike it just restore the full backup of your choice - if you make full backups of each of them you can go back to any quite fast just the way you left it.
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The roms will act differently according to your needs and uses.
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And hardware (revisions). Take two identical tabs, install identical ROMs using identical methods, and get two different results. One crashes and reboots, the other never does. On a third the battery life suffers or the WifFi misbehaves.
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Short story, just do a full recovery backup of what you currently use and then try the others. When you like one try it for a week. If you dislike it just restore the full backup of your choice - if you make full backups of each of them you can go back to any quite fast just the way you left it.
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And of course, be prepared to restart and repeat the entire process. Because sooner or later you're going to install something that will sour the milk. Or you just like doing it because it's just so much fun!
jb0756: I've tried them all. The variables are staggering. It's amazing these things work as well as they do.
mcord11758 said it best. The HD+ is ... "serviceable."
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Or you just like doing it because it's just so much fun!
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If its not up your alley then don't go there. There are things in the ocean and a breeze in the air.