I have a a upgrade available on one of my lines. I have been looking into getting a Moto X and designing it myself. Everything was going well on motomaker website until I got to the data plan page and there was no option to keep my unlimited data plan and no option to keep existing data plan ...
I know a few in here who have done the process and could shine some light into how you approach the situation. I don't want to lose my unlimited data plan.
If you're using Motomaker, I'm assuming you're AT&T since they're the only ones who have that right now. Not sure about AT&T, but on Verizon, you'd have to use the alternative method of transfering your unlimited line's upgrade to another line (or just use that line's upgrade), upgrade that line to the Moto X, then transfer the phone to your line. This all depends on your plan, of course. I believe if you upgrade through a site like Wirefly, they don't allow you to switch the phone to another line for something like 90+ days, or you get charged a really high fee. Also, this extends that line for 2 years, of course.
Probably works the same with AT&T, but it may depend on the plan you have. Of course, if you don't have multiple lines, others have simply added a $10 dummy line, eaten the 1 month data fee, then switch the phone over to their main line and kept the $10 dummy line for the 2 years (since you can't ETF it, just downgrade to a basic phone at $10 and don't use it). Saves I think $200 overall over 2 years, but I couldn't be bothered and we have a family plan with a high bill as it is, so I just bought it full price (Verizon)
I have AT&T, I just upgraded my wife to Galaxy S4 and she was able to keep her plan as it was before. I know with Verizon if you use your upgrade, you lose you unlimited data.
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I have a a upgrade available on one of my lines. I have been looking into getting a Moto X and designing it myself. Everything was going well on motomaker website until I got to the data plan page and there was no option to keep my unlimited data plan and no option to keep existing data plan ...
I know a few in here who have done the process and could shine some light into how you approach the situation. I don't want to lose my unlimited data plan.
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I have AT&T, LTE Unlimited, and customized my phone on Motomaker. At first I had the same issue, even when I was just trying to check at AT&T's site, just to see the final price, I just couldn't go past the "choose a data plan" part, because it didn't list my current one.
It's not as complicated s transferring anything, although it requires some "real world" activity. I just went to an AT&T store, and told them I wanted to get a new phone, and keep my data plan. They have black & white, but you can also get that Motomaker card thingy, it has a scratch-off section with a code that you input in Motomaker when you're done with your design. The card also comes already with your future phone' SKU, Serial No and IMEI... so it was cool to know that somewhere in Texas, there was already a phone with my name in it .
Of course, while the guy was preparing my upgrade and giving me the card, I asked him every 1 minute to confirm that I was keeping my plan, followed by "because that's the most important part, I want to keep my data plan".
My mom bought the Moto X, and all she had to do was call AT&T before turning on the phone and telling them to activate her new plan with her grandfathered unlimited plan.
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My mom bought the Moto X, and all she had to do was call AT&T before turning on the phone and telling them to activate her new plan with her grandfathered unlimited plan.
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What plan did she select from the 3 available when she built it?
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What plan did she select from the 3 available when she built it?
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She (I) chose the 3GB plan.
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gordata said:
I have a a upgrade available on one of my lines. I have been looking into getting a Moto X and designing it myself. Everything was going well on motomaker website until I got to the data plan page and there was no option to keep my unlimited data plan and no option to keep existing data plan ...
I know a few in here who have done the process and could shine some light into how you approach the situation. I don't want to lose my unlimited data plan.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2367734
[Guide] How to upgrade without losing unlimited data.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2367734
[Guide] How to upgrade without losing unlimited data.
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Thanks for the Help but that's for Verizon. I have been upgrading on AT&T for a few years now while keeping my unlimited plan, Just want to be sure on the Moto X.
Going to wait until the phone drops in price a little before I pull the trigger, I want a few of the accessories and the protection plan.
My apologies. I should read first. :what:
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I'm sure there's been plenty of posts regarding this (and I'll probably get some flack from moderators), but I thought I should revisit this issue and get everyone's thoughts before I jump on the bandwagon.
Anyone here got the dreaded text, automatically switched, or loss data services altogether simply because you were using the AT&T $15 MediaNet plan? Or better yet, the $10 family plan?
I'm on the $15 plan that was originally used by a lowly 3G featurephone, and have never upgraded to a branded smartphone with AT&T. Just wondering if there are folks with my same situation who've taken the plunge into Nexus One waters. So...are you still swimming?
I've had the $4.99 T-Zones plan since 2008 and it still is going strong. I've never bought a subsidized phone. Not one single complaint. Not on AT&T obviously. Oops.
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I'm sure there's been plenty of posts regarding this (and I'll probably get some flack from moderators), but I thought I should revisit this issue and get everyone's thoughts before I jump on the bandwagon.
Anyone here got the dreaded text, automatically switched, or loss data services altogether simply because you were using the AT&T $15 MediaNet plan? Or better yet, the $10 family plan?
I'm on the $15 plan that was originally used by a lowly 3G featurephone, and have never upgraded to a branded smartphone with AT&T. Just wondering if there are folks with my same situation who've taken the plunge into Nexus One waters. So...are you still swimming?
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In short, your account needs to have smartphone exclusion on it to prevent your data plan from jumping to the $30 smartphone data plan. If it doesn't have this rare SOC code, it's difficult to get, and you won't be able to do much of anything to stop the change from happening.
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In short, your account needs to have smartphone exclusion on it to prevent your data plan from jumping to the $30 smartphone data plan. If it doesn't have this rare SOC code, it's difficult to get, and you won't be able to do much of anything to stop the change from happening.
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I'm aware of the smartphone exclusion status. But no one seems to have a clear answer as to "how" to get that status. Multiple stories abound: I've heard that you have to have had a smartphone with no data prior to Sept '09. I've also heard that folks who have a dumbphone (featurephone) with a 3G data plan ($15) are also excluded because they've never upgraded to a branded smartphone thru ATT. I'm on the latter situation. Does anyone here used to be on the $15 MediaNet+dumbphone combo and are now using a Nexus One?
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I'm aware of the smartphone exclusion status. But no one seems to have a clear answer as to "how" to get that status. Multiple stories abound: I've heard that you have to have had a smartphone with no data prior to Sept '09. I've also heard that folks who have a dumbphone (featurephone) with a 3G data plan ($15) are also excluded because they've never upgraded to a branded smartphone thru ATT. I'm on the latter situation. Does anyone here used to be on the $15 MediaNet+dumbphone combo and are now using a Nexus One?
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If it helps, I never purchased ANY phone through AT&T since I started service with them in mid-2008 since I always used unlocked phones and I still got hit with the text. The only reason I have the smartphone exclusion is because I called AT&T when they switched my data plan automatically and pitched a huge fit. I still can't get them to add it to the other line on my account.
So I guess try to talk to the customer "solutions" team about canceling your service and see if they'll add it for you?
I am using AT&T Nexus One from the day they were out (about 3 weeks now), I am still on $10 family MediaNet plan.
I have never bought smartphone from AT&T, perhaps that is the reason, or they haven't done their sweep yet.
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If it helps, I never purchased ANY phone through AT&T since I started service with them in mid-2008 since I always used unlocked phones and I still got hit with the text. The only reason I have the smartphone exclusion is because I called AT&T when they switched my data plan automatically and pitched a huge fit. I still can't get them to add it to the other line on my account.
So I guess try to talk to the customer "solutions" team about canceling your service and see if they'll add it for you?
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That makes sense. But have you, or ever, upgraded your plan from a $15 to a $30 plan, and then back down to $15? (Or something to that effect.) I'm just wondering that since you never bought a device from them, a change in your data plan might also trigger the auto-switch? Just covering all bases how an auto-switch (or change in the smartphone exclusion status) can be triggered by either device upgrade or data plan upgrade thru AT&T.
rome425 said:
I am using AT&T Nexus One from the day they were out (about 3 weeks now), I am still on $10 family MediaNet plan.
I have never bought smartphone from AT&T, perhaps that is the reason, or they haven't done their sweep yet.
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Excellent! Good luck on that. Please keep us posted if the status on your data ever changes. I'm gonna try using the N1 under the $15 MediaNet and see how much mileage I can get out of it.
Well; I have some bad news for you guys that think your getting lucky by tricking them.
At&t does not have this phone registered in their system. So if you call them and have them change the IMEI number to reflect this phone, it will come up as unknown. So the only option they have for a data plan is the $15 plan ($10 if you have a family plan).
The only reason why I know this: I came from an iPhone to this, so I had to call them and change the IMEI number.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but as long as At&t does not register this in their system, we will get the cheaper plan.
And usually, unless they sell it, they won't register it. So we are good to go for the life of this phone.
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Well; I have some bad news for you guys that think your getting lucky by tricking them.
At&t does not have this phone registered in their system. So if you call them and have them change the IMEI number to reflect this phone, it will come up as unknown. So the only option they have for a data plan is the $15 plan ($10 if you have a family plan).
The only reason why I know this: I came from an iPhone to this, so I had to call them and change the IMEI number.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but as long as At&t does not register this in their system, we will get the cheaper plan.
And usually, unless they sell it, they won't register it. So we are good to go for the life of this phone.
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You should have a look at: AT&T automatically addining $30 Smartphone Data plan to the unbranded Nexus 1!?
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That makes sense. But have you, or ever, upgraded your plan from a $15 to a $30 plan, and then back down to $15? (Or something to that effect.) I'm just wondering that since you never bought a device from them, a change in your data plan might also trigger the auto-switch? Just covering all bases how an auto-switch (or change in the smartphone exclusion status) can be triggered by either device upgrade or data plan upgrade thru AT&T.
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I'm glad you asked because I did buy two 3GS's from them and flipped them on eBay for a ridiculous profit. I had to call AT&T right after I bought them to have them remove the smartphone data plan since I wasn't using the iPhones anymore.
This could be part of the reason why my account triggered the change.
I have been on a grandfathered-in mediaworks package for ~8 years now ($20 for unlimited data, 1500sms and 200mms). AT&T has never once changed my plan on me and they never will. I'm out of contact
I had the T-Mobile version on ATT shortly after the tmobile versions launch. I was using the 10$ medianet plan for about a week until I got the dreaded text. I thought it was a glitch so I went online and changed it back. A few minutes later, I got the text again. I sold my nexus and bought a milestone until the ATT version came out. I came to the conclusion that I would pay for the 30$ smartphone plan if I was using the ATT version because I would be getting 3G. I just got the ATT version in today and havnt switched plans yet. My buddy works for ATT and asked for my IMEI number to get credit for the switch from medianet to smartphone plan. He called me back saying that my new ATT nexus' IMEI number wasn't registering meaning I could use the media net plan. There have been some rumors that ATT put a cap on the speeds of the media net plan, so he asked me to run a speed test. My speeds show that I was getting normal 3g speeds for my area(786 dl). Ill post again if ATT gets ahold of this batch of IMEI numbers and auto adds the smartphone plan.
nephroid said:
I've had the $4.99 T-Zones plan since 2008 and it still is going strong. I've never bought a subsidized phone. Not one single complaint. Not on AT&T obviously. Oops.
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I had the T-Mobile version on ATT shortly after the tmobile versions launch. I was using the 10$ medianet plan for about a week until I got the dreaded text. I thought it was a glitch so I went online and changed it back. A few minutes later, I got the text again. I sold my nexus and bought a milestone until the ATT version came out. I came to the conclusion that I would pay for the 30$ smartphone plan if I was using the ATT version because I would be getting 3G. I just got the ATT version in today and havnt switched plans yet. My buddy works for ATT and asked for my IMEI number to get credit for the switch from medianet to smartphone plan. He called me back saying that my new ATT nexus' IMEI number wasn't registering meaning I could use the media net plan. There have been some rumors that ATT put a cap on the speeds of the media net plan, so he asked me to run a speed test. My speeds show that I was getting normal 3g speeds for my area(786 dl). Ill post again if ATT gets ahold of this batch of IMEI numbers and auto adds the smartphone plan.
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Excellent! That definitely got me on the bandwagon. Just ordered the N1 and should be getting it Wednesday. I'll keep ya'll posted with the hopes that the IMEI batch for these new N1's will be kept hidden from ATT. Good luck to all!
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I have been on a grandfathered-in mediaworks package for ~8 years now ($20 for unlimited data, 1500sms and 200mms). AT&T has never once changed my plan on me and they never will. I'm out of contact
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Incredible! Grandfathered plans are always the best. How long have you had your N1?
I'm confused... Why were you guys giving att the imei #s? I bought my tmobile version unlocked through google and never had to let tmo know... I just dropped my SIM card in from my G1 and went on my way.
So how much data do you guys get for $15?
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So how much data do you guys get for $15?
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UNLIMITED*
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*5 gigs
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So how much data do you guys get for $15?
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Tons. Lotsa lotsa tons.
Anyone on capped data may be interested to know that starting tomorrow you can double your data allowance for no extra cost through the month of November.
4GB - $30
10GB - $50
20GB - $100
You will be able to set it up through myverizon.com
This only applies to 4G smartphones
ONCE YOU GET IT YOU GET TO KEEP IT!
also applies to new lines and upgrades!
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Just to confirm that this offer is legit.
Verizon has confirmed this.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/07/...le-the-data-for-your-buck-tomorrow/#continued
Good to know!
I don't have issues with my amount of data... I'd rather pay less for the same amount of data I have now. Does anyone know if that would be possible? I'm guessing they'd rather not let me decrease my monthly bill though..
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Good to know!
I don't have issues with my amount of data... I'd rather pay less for the same amount of data I have now. Does anyone know if that would be possible? I'm guessing they'd rather not let me decrease my monthly bill though..
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There is a $20 plan going to be available but its only for 300 MB.
I thought I would post it since once you get it you get to keep it, and you never know when you might use it
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I'm definitely doubling up tomorrow.
thanks for the heads up
Thanks a bunch for the heads up! Will definitely be taking advantage of this tomorrow to go from 2GB to 4GB
I got my 5GB. Site is live.
how do you go from 2 to 4 gigs if your an existing customer, their site says it's for new lines, or upgrades
I went to check if it was an available option and no luck... above the data plan selection area, it does say that you can do it for a limited time, but I only see the normal options and prices.
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how do you go from 2 to 4 gigs if your an existing customer, their site says it's for new lines, or upgrades
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You can set it up through myverizon.com or call customer care. It is open to exsisting customers.
It wasn't available to me... now it is.
I know I'm being lazy, but I'm in the middle of studying for an important exam so I don't really have the time to go searching around right this second...
How do alternative options for a hotspot compare to the official hotspot?
So I can I get double unlimited data lol
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First attempt on the phone, and they shot me down. If you are an existing customer, and got this tell me how.
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Android Central posted details about this with an indirect sales slide. One of the bullet points said:
"4G LTE Smartphone customers who make a price plan change or an ESN change during the promotional period will be asked to select one of the promotional options."
The way I'm reading that is, If you upgrade to any 4G phone during the promotion period you will be asked to choose one of these tired plans and lose unlimited data.
This wouldn't be the first time Verizon has done something like this. I wouldn't be surprised if they say that the RAZR, Nexus, and Rezound are not compatible with the unlimited data package.
I've never been on the "personal email" option -- always had work paying for it and had the corp email and hotspot. Can someone with a regular data account (i.e., personal email, not corporate) tell me whether there is any restriction on data activities with one of these "regular" plans? Other than tethering, I mean. Like, can I still use the regular email app and all my other good stuff?
Thanks, and sorry for the noob question. On ATT, I never worried about this stuff. (Turns out that was the only plus about ATT, but I digress.)
ROB281 said:
First attempt on the phone, and they shot me down. If you are an existing customer, and got this tell me how.
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Go to VerizonWireless.com and log in. After login, go back to the splash page. Click on the link I highlighted in green on the first pic, below. It will show you the details.
Then, go to the link highlighted in pink in the second pic. That will show you everything on your account and allow you to change plans.
Hope this helps.
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Android Central posted details about this with an indirect sales slide. One of the bullet points said:
"4G LTE Smartphone customers who make a price plan change or an ESN change during the promotional period will be asked to select one of the promotional options."
The way I'm reading that is, If you upgrade to any 4G phone during the promotion period you will be asked to choose one of these tired plans and lose unlimited data.
This wouldn't be the first time Verizon has done something like this. I wouldn't be surprised if they say that the RAZR, Nexus, and Rezound are not compatible with the unlimited data package.
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Actually I think this is Verizon testing the waters and trying to find middle ground between unlimited and their current offers. Everyone and their mothers are flocking to Sprint because of their unlimited data, albeit they have issues of their own. If this experiment goes well this may end up being their new tiered plans or they may extend the promotional period. Verizon is not looking to stick their unlimited users, they've moved on. It's all about the next dollar. Now that at&t is deploying LTE they need to separate themselves from the pack.
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FYI Originally this was not supposed to apply to Mobile Hotspot users, but I checked today and the $50 plan (was 4GB w/ hotspot) is now 6GB w/ hotspot. Just in case anyone read the same flyer I did that said it wouldn't apply to us.
I just got done reading an article from USA Today that was talking about how users who have grandfathered data will be forced to select one of Verizon's shared family plans or tiered plans if or when they go to upgrade their device.
I really despise Verizon for this and will be heading to sprint if I have to give up unlimited data. If they think they will make more money from this move, I suggest everyone leave Verizon and show them the error in their ways.
And just wait, they are trying to eliminate unlimited data for home internet also and the head of the FCC supports limited data. Online gaming and video will suffer and our country will wonder why businesses will struggle. Who's going to let their kids play online games when they have to watch their data usage. Bad news for companies like Sony who have the PS3 and online gaming and bad news for online video streaming companies like Netflix.
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In the end though, I really can't see Verizon being too negatively affected by all of this. The heavy duty users will either pony up the extra cash (because of Sprint's shoddy coverage) or leave and bog down another carriers network.
I have unlimited data right now, and I rarely go over 2GB and I've never been over 4. I stream music pretty often, use fox-fi for thether, and spend a good bit of time on my phone.
Does it suck? Yea. Will it get me to switch? Probably not. I guess it depends on what the pricing structure looks like. I'm intrigued by the idea of the shared data plans too.
Cut off will be June 27th 1159pm to keep it for one last contract.
New plans are expensive! http://solutions.vzwshop.com/shareeverything/pdf/verizon_share_everything_plan_details.pdf
I love Verizon...I have 2 lines on my account (both Bionics) one has the 10GB plan and my wife has the 6GB + mobile hotspot and our monthly bill is around $215/month. Plenty of data for that price.
Peace.
Your on xda, and still paying for the hotspot service? We're the reason Verizon started offering the tethering service in the first place once they realized we were already doing it for free.
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Believe me I love FoxFi. My wife is a by the book type person.
She uses the hotspot feature for work as a necessity. No matter how many times I tell her that I'm 99% sure she wouldn't get caught using FoxFi she comes back and says that what if they do? I need this for work! I then just sigh.
I think if they are going to force limited data plans on us, at least give an exemption for apps such as Netflix. You will eat your plan up real fast just by streaming a couple movies.
Also include services such as slacker radio and Pandora into the exemption.
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So if we have grandfathered unlimited data (we been on verizon for years) do we keep it as long as we dont upgrade or buy phones off contract (like ebay)?
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So if we have grandfathered unlimited data (we been on verizon for years) do we keep it as long as we dont upgrade or buy phones off contract (like ebay)?
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This is precisely how to keep unlimited data.
If Verizon sells you a subsidized phone, that's where they get to force you into a new contract.
If you buy a phone at full retail price from Verizon, or buy a used phone from a place like eBay or Swappa your unlimited data is safe.
Even if you're sitting on something like a Samsung Fascinate, you can go on Craigslist and buy a Razr Maxx, head to a Verizon store, and get a free SIM card to continue service on the Razr Maxx. Nothing on your plan changes except a line item or two for $0.00 indicating that you have 4G Unlimited instead of 3G Unlimited.
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This is precisely how to keep unlimited data.
If Verizon sells you a subsidized phone, that's where they get to force you into a new contract.
If you buy a phone at full retail price from Verizon, or buy a used phone from a place like eBay or Swappa your unlimited data is safe.
Even if you're sitting on something like a Samsung Fascinate, you can go on Craigslist and buy a Razr Maxx, head to a Verizon store, and get a free SIM card to continue service on the Razr Maxx. Nothing on your plan changes except a line item or two for $0.00 indicating that you have 4G Unlimited instead of 3G Unlimited.
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This is wrong. That is how it used to work before, now if you attempt to activate a new phone you will be forced to choose new plan options before they will activate it, regardless of where you got your phone. Welcome to the new Verizon.
I will probably be forced off of Verizon at some point. I am already paying $245 a month for 2 androids with unlimited talk, text, and data with insurance and a $3/month slacker radio subscription.
While the data limitations would be no concern to my girlfriend, I am at 5.341gb for the month, with another week left in the month. They are already getting enough money from us every month.
With the changes, I will be forced to cancel my slacker subscription because I use it mainly while driving and won't be able to do that anymore. I don't mind paying $3 a month for being able to listen to music I like while driving. This is an example of why limited data plans have an economic impact on other companies.
I don't know, but I think $245 a month is enough. Is business really that bad for them that they have to try to push for $300 a month? This is why corporate America is seen as greedy.
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Does this include prepaid also?
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The shared data plans are a complete rip anyway. From what I read, they charge you for the pool, than the first device, than the second device. That means that I would pay the same I pay now for my plan's two devices and only get 4GB of data for the two of them to share. I know exactly what I am going to do when I get my next upgrade; I won't upgrade.
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Believe me I love FoxFi. My wife is a by the book type person.
She uses the hotspot feature for work as a necessity. No matter how many times I tell her that I'm 99% sure she wouldn't get caught using FoxFi she comes back and says that what if they do? I need this for work! I then just sigh.
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I understand your point. Your wife sounds like someone who should be paying for it since its for work.
Its the average user whom I think its overpriced for. I don't use it myself too often, but I did pay $10 for easy tether so I can hook up through USB and share my data with my computer when I need to. Since I don't typically need other people using my data, I rarely use wifi tether since it kills your battery faster.
I don't just oppose limited data based on my data usage though. I look at the bigger picture. It will slow down technology growth and may put some businesses out of business. Any business that uses bandwidth will be impacted. Customers will be less willing to pay for services that they could be charged twice for using (the service and the data overage charges, Netflix, slacker radio, etc). Even app developers will be impacted because people will be less willing to download as many apps to try out.
Some flashers may impacted as well. Some of us download the roms directly on to our phones. Our data plans would be eaten up a lot just by keeping up to date with the roms.
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Sadly when I first found out about shared family plans I thought it would save me money but it seems to get an amount of data equivalent to what the three basic data packages on my account have i will have to pay a good bit more.
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This is wrong. That is how it used to work before, now if you attempt to activate a new phone you will be forced to choose new plan options before they will activate it, regardless of where you got your phone. Welcome to the new Verizon.
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Okay then. Debunk this article which contains an official statement from Verizon
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/05/1...d-data-says-exactly-what-we-already-told-you/
What to do.... I don't think Sprint is an option. Go to AT&T? Is it worth paying list price just to keep unlimited data? Since I am not upgrading soon, I will have the benefit of lots of examples.
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What to do.... I don't think Sprint is an option. Go to AT&T? Is it worth paying list price just to keep unlimited data? Since I am not upgrading soon, I will have the benefit of lots of examples.
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AT&T was the first to eliminate unlimited data. They are worse than Verizon. At one point in time, they had their phones locked to where you could only install apps from the android market. They stopped that when Amazon released their own app store and their users couldn't install the Amazon app store, or any of the apps from it.
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projektorboy said:
Okay then. Debunk this article which contains an official statement from Verizon
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/05/1...d-data-says-exactly-what-we-already-told-you/
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That article is a month old...read more recent statements from them.
If you are in a Sprint 4G area, go for it.
I had to have an Airave device just to make a phone call.
Sprint changed their billing, I opted out with no etf's(a moto photon and a nexus s4g, about one month old), went to Verizon, signed on, came home, had full bars of 3G, and a week later they flipped the switch and I now have 4G.
I sent an open signal text to my old Sprint rep showing her the 4G and strength. WHat else could she do?
Annoyed. Got the dreaded ATT text that I wasn't using the correct data plan for the nexus 4. Was using it on $10 non smart data plan.
AT&T Free Msg: Did you know a data plan is required for your Smartphone? We have added an appropriate data plan. Learn more at www.att.com/dataplans.
Online management shows phone as being unrecognized but they apparently know the phone is a smartphone.
Even the email I got from ATT says
"For whatever reason, our records indicate your Smartphone does not have an eligible data plan. We have added an appropriate Smartphone data plan for your device"
So unlike the Galaxy nexus, ATT does force the $30 data plan. I guess the LG Optimus G is so similar to the Nexus 4 ATT can see it as a smartphone.
It's weird cause the international Galaxy S3 was never recognized on my account when I had it on the $10 data plan.
aneftp said:
Annoyed. Got the dreaded ATT text that I wasn't using the correct data plan for the nexus 4. Was using it on $10 non smart data plan.
AT&T Free Msg: Did you know a data plan is required for your Smartphone? We have added an appropriate data plan. Learn more at www.att.com/dataplans.
Online management shows phone as being unrecognized but they apparently know the phone is a smartphone.
Even the email I got from ATT says
"For whatever reason, our records indicate your Smartphone does not have an eligible data plan. We have added an appropriate Smartphone data plan for your device"
So unlike the Galaxy nexus, ATT does force the $30 data plan. I guess the LG Optimus G is so similar to the Nexus 4 ATT can see it as a smartphone.
It's weird cause the international Galaxy S3 was never recognized on my account when I had it on the $10 data plan.
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Is that legal for them to change your Data package and charge you more money without a notice period first?
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Is that legal for them to change your Data package and charge you more money without a notice period first?
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I think it's in the contract that they can do whatever they want, up to and including selling you into slavery for bitcoins to pay your overdue bill. This is AT&T. They have no morals.
Ordered my Nexus 4 on the 13th. Still waiting.
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Annoyed. Got the dreaded ATT text that I wasn't using the correct data plan for the nexus 4. Was using it on $10 non smart data plan.
AT&T Free Msg: Did you know a data plan is required for your Smartphone? We have added an appropriate data plan. Learn more at www.att.com/dataplans.
Online management shows phone as being unrecognized but they apparently know the phone is a smartphone.
Even the email I got from ATT says
"For whatever reason, our records indicate your Smartphone does not have an eligible data plan. We have added an appropriate Smartphone data plan for your device"
So unlike the Galaxy nexus, ATT does force the $30 data plan. I guess the LG Optimus G is so similar to the Nexus 4 ATT can see it as a smartphone.
It's weird cause the international Galaxy S3 was never recognized on my account when I had it on the $10 data plan.
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I got the same text message from them yesterday. I promptly called them back and had them put me back on the $10 data plan. The CSR I spoke to said their system periodically reviews activity on your sim card. If they detect "smartphone type" activity they will switch your plan. I told them nothing about my phone has changed( I've been on MediaNet since getting my N4) and told them its a basic phone(thats what the N4 IMEI comes up as in their system). They had no problem putting me back on MediaNet plan.
I would call them and tell them to put you back on $10 data plan
What is crap about at&t is their is no benefit to owning your own phone. Honestly we shouldn't have to pay as much for data because they aren't subsidizing our phones, but on at&t there isn't much benefit in buying your own phone because you pay the same regardless.
IMO if you subsidized your phone after 2 years and don't bite on early upgrading you should get a discount. And early termination should just be the remaining cost of your subsidized phone. Thats how it should work and fwiw smartphone /dumb phone data plans are stupid too, because it like your ISP deciding to charge you more because you use Firefox instead of ie.
But what can you do really? The only carrier that does it right is T mobile, and they are the bottom of the barrel in coverage. At&t makes way more money on subsidizing phones, only way for things to improve is to kill subsidizing, then carriers will be forced to use the same bands and have to compete on pricing. I think subsidizing is long outdated personally and it time to sell phones like every other consumer electronic.
I mean with the nexus 4 wait for instance I've found I am kind of forced to deal with it because every other comparable phone is like $550, and every sale on has an asterix that states "after 2 year commitment".
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estallings15 said:
I think it's in the contract that they can do whatever they want, up to and including selling you into slavery for bitcoins to pay your overdue bill. This is AT&T. They have no morals.
Ordered my Nexus 4 on the 13th. Still waiting.
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They may have NO morals, but another thing they DON'T have is the N4 IMEI #
Cor-master said:
What is crap about at&t is their is no benefit to owning your own phone. Honestly we shouldn't have to pay as much for data because they aren't subsidizing our phones, but on at&t there isn't much benefit in buying your own phone because you pay the same regardless.
IMO if you subsidized your phone after 2 years and don't bite on early upgrading you should get a discount. And early termination should just be the remaining cost of your subsidized phone. Thats how it should work and fwiw smartphone /dumb phone data plans are stupid too, because it like your ISP deciding to charge you more because you use Firefox instead of ie.
But what can you do really? The only carrier that does it right is T mobile, and they are the bottom of the barrel in coverage. At&t makes way more money on subsidizing phones, only way for things to improve is to kill subsidizing, then carriers will be forced to use the same bands and have to compete on pricing. I think subsidizing is long outdated personally and it time to sell phones like every other consumer electronic.
I mean with the nexus 4 wait for instance I've found I am kind of forced to deal with it because every other comparable phone is like $550, and every sale on has an asterix that states "after 2 year commitment".
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T-Mobile's coverage isn't THAT bad, especially if you stick to more populated areas.
You're right on the subsidy, if I was on AT&T I would buy the most popular high end smartphone every time I was eligible for an upgrade and then sell it on ebay.
OP Just call back your company and say what post number 4 says
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T-Mobile's coverage isn't THAT bad, especially if you stick to more populated areas.
You're right on the subsidy, if I was on AT&T I would buy the most popular high end smartphone every time I was eligible for an upgrade and then sell it on ebay.
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After I get my n4 I might grab a prepaid Tmobile sim just to try it out for a month or so. I can grab the same deal I have on at&t and get unlimited data too for only a $100 a month, nearly $70 leas than what I pay from at&t now so worth a try
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Annoyed. Got the dreaded ATT text that I wasn't using the correct data plan for the nexus 4. Was using it on $10 non smart data plan.
AT&T Free Msg: Did you know a data plan is required for your Smartphone? We have added an appropriate data plan. Learn more at www.att.com/dataplans.
Online management shows phone as being unrecognized but they apparently know the phone is a smartphone.
Even the email I got from ATT says
"For whatever reason, our records indicate your Smartphone does not have an eligible data plan. We have added an appropriate Smartphone data plan for your device"
So unlike the Galaxy nexus, ATT does force the $30 data plan. I guess the LG Optimus G is so similar to the Nexus 4 ATT can see it as a smartphone.
It's weird cause the international Galaxy S3 was never recognized on my account when I had it on the $10 data plan.
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They can see your user agent when you are browsing using a mobile data connection. That's how they used try to catch people using tethering. It's mostly idiotic because requesting desktop versions of sites causes mobile browsers to fake the UA. They can probably also see traffic from other Google apps such as play store since they use specific ports. My guess is this would have eventually happened on your GNex as well.
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They can see your user agent when you are browsing using a mobile data connection. That's how they used try to catch people using tethering. It's mostly idiotic because requesting desktop versions of sites causes mobile browsers to fake the UA. They can probably also see traffic from other Google apps such as play store since they use specific ports. My guess is this would have eventually happened on your GNex as well.
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Sorry, this is wrong. Tmo DOES look at user agent to block tethering, Att sweeps imeis. Samsung phones are nice because you can " fake" a generic imei by simply erasing (after backup) the efs folder.
FWIW, my solution was a bit different. When I got on their network my goal was basically to grandfather and future proof the hell out of my account. I activated an edge iPhone first (back before they shut down the loop hole), then the same day called in with an atrix imei, then a few months later with a skyrocket imei to go from edge unlimited, to 4g hspa+ unlimited, finally to lte unlimited plan. All genuine smartphone plans and thus subject to grandfathering. In addition anytime I use the wap.cingular apn on my lte plan it doesn't count against my 5gb throttle limit giving me TRUE unlimited (though wap.cingular tops out at a very usable 7.4mbps vs 21 on " phone"). I intentionally skipped the media net plan just for the better "guarantee" of keeping my plan down the road since I KNOW att is a bunch of douchebags.
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I just got placed on the Data Pro plan as well and called up customer service. Our phones get recognized as LG E960, which is in fact the model number for the Nexus 4.
I asked them to switch me back and that I'm using a dumb phone, but they kept me on hold for 10 min and I just hung up. I'm not sure if my plan will revert to MEdia Net.
Is anyone else getting their connection dropped within the first few seconds of data use? It happens to me when I start a speed test or try to listen to NPR. It doesn't always happen, but it does very frequently and I have to wait to reestablish network connectivity. Usually I have to reboot the phone because the app won't reestablish connection even though the phone status states that it has.
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I just got placed on the Data Pro plan as well and called up customer service. Our phones get recognized as LG E960, which is in fact the model number for the Nexus 4.
I asked them to switch me back and that I'm using a dumb phone, but they kept me on hold for 10 min and I just hung up. I'm not sure if my plan will revert to MEdia Net.
Is anyone else getting their connection dropped within the first few seconds of data use? It happens to me when I start a speed test or try to listen to NPR. It doesn't always happen, but it does very frequently and I have to wait to reestablish network connectivity. Usually I have to reboot the phone because the app won't reestablish connection even though the phone status states that it has.
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Connection problems are the proxy in your apn, just remove it and you'll be good.
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estallings15 said:
I think it's in the contract that they can do whatever they want, up to and including selling you into slavery for bitcoins to pay your overdue bill. This is AT&T. They have no morals.
Ordered my Nexus 4 on the 13th. Still waiting.
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I don't think AT&T moral is the only one being questioned here, regardless of what AT&T decides to charge, last I check, regardless of AT&T having its IMEI or not, the N4 is technically and practically a smartphone. Not that I have a problem with it, its ATT after all, they are charging my dad for land phone services they didn't install correctly which we canceled. I do have a problem with having a separate tethering plan above the data plan, still do not understand why the FCC and European Commission are fine with this. It's would be similar to Evian selling you water bottles to drink from, but its illegal to use it to water your plants or anything else unless you pay them extra.
estallings15 said:
I think it's in the contract that they can do whatever they want, up to and including selling you into slavery for bitcoins to pay your overdue bill. This is AT&T. They have no morals.
Ordered my Nexus 4 on the 13th. Still waiting.
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How can you lie to AT&T about what kind of phone you have yet accuse them of having no morals ? Getting something without paying for it is called theft. Yes I think they are charging too much but, I have a choice on who I use for service.
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I don't think AT&T moral is the only one being questioned here, regardless of what AT&T decides to charge, last I check, regardless of AT&T having its IMEI or not, the N4 is technically and practically a smartphone. Not that I have a problem with it, its ATT after all, they are charging my dad for land phone services they didn't install correctly which we canceled. I do have a problem with having a separate tethering plan above the data plan, still do not understand why the FCC and European Commission are fine with this. It's would be similar to Evian selling you water bottles to drink from, but its illegal to use it to water your plants or anything else unless you pay them extra.
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LOL So True!
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How can you lie to AT&T about what kind of phone you have yet accuse them of having no morals ? Getting something without paying for it is called theft. Yes I think they are charging too much but, I have a choice on who I use for service.
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Honestly, I wasn't referring to that. I was thinking about the way they've treated every single person I know who has service with them over the last few years. I do agree that trying to break the rules is no bueno. Doesn't remove any of their slime, though.
Ordered my Nexus 4 on the 13th. Still waiting.
OP here. Ended up selling Nexus 4 with bumper for $400. Easy sell on Craigslist. Like I said, basically sold it for at cost. Really don't care about making a small profit in the phone.
I called earlier to get the $30 data pro off my account. The CSR said she could add the $10 data plan back on but if ATT see I am using a smartphone it will re add it again.
I am already paying $30 for my unlimited grandfathered LTE iPhone 5 (throttled at 5GB with ATT).
I also have a spare line on my brothers Verizon account that I pay him $45 total. I have a grandfathered unlimited LTE Verizon data plan. I don't even use the phone. I put it in my Verizon LTE iPad and Verizon cannot audit me cause of their FCC agreement. That's why Verizon is forcing people off their unlimited LTE data cause Verizon cannot throttle LTE devices and cannot stop people from moving LTE sims between tablet or cell phone devices.
So I just can't justify paying another $30 data plan on my spare ATT line for the nexus 4. It's a great phone (minus the camera). And I recommend the nexus 4 to all of my friends (who aren't obsessed with their iPhones).
I have been with Cingular /ATT for 9 years so know the ins and outs. Unfortunately we consumers are not getting the greatest value with post paid carriers. The big 3 all know there is close to zero profit in minutes anymore. That's why they essentially give minutes away for free these days.
Data is the only true money maker for carriers these days and they want to maximize profits.
I am not a data hogger by any means. I maybe used 300mb in 2 1/2 weeks with the nexus 4. I don't tether either. If ATT offered a sensible (say 500 mb/$10 data plan) I could reason to keep it. But we all know the game the carriers play. $20/300mb is quite ridiculous.
They know the "average" customer uses around 500-700mb data each month. That's why they set the teaser 300mb/$20. Only light users can be on the 300mb smartphone data plan.
On a bright note. My Verizon LTE data is truly unlimited. I let my 2 year old rack up 5-10GB data on the iPad each month without worries. I've heard some Verizon LTE data user go over 200GB a month cause the Verizon iPad can be used as its own hotspot with LTE.
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Sorry, this is wrong. Tmo DOES look at user agent to block tethering, Att sweeps imeis. Samsung phones are nice because you can " fake" a generic imei by simply erasing (after backup) the efs folder.
FWIW, my solution was a bit different. When I got on their network my goal was basically to grandfather and future proof the hell out of my account. I activated an edge iPhone first (back before they shut down the loop hole), then the same day called in with an atrix imei, then a few months later with a skyrocket imei to go from edge unlimited, to 4g hspa+ unlimited, finally to lte unlimited plan. All genuine smartphone plans and thus subject to grandfathering. In addition anytime I use the wap.cingular apn on my lte plan it doesn't count against my 5gb throttle limit giving me TRUE unlimited (though wap.cingular tops out at a very usable 7.4mbps vs 21 on " phone"). I intentionally skipped the media net plan just for the better "guarantee" of keeping my plan down the road since I KNOW att is a bunch of douchebags.
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Funny that they have the IMEI as it's not an att phone. Yeah tmo was doing the UA sniffing. I assumed att might as well. It seemed they stopped doing it as they have never stopped me from tethering. I pay for data what does it matter how just throttle me when I get to your limit.
I got the message too today morning. I went back to my original smartphone plan of 2 GB since I was never using more than 1 GB. Also the speeds and ping is better on the 'phone' APN of AT&T as compared to the 'cingular' APN.
Hey guys, sorry if this had been brought up before. I helped my dad order a moto x and we both are expecting he'll lose his unlimited data plan, but the interesting thing is on the moto x site and the order confirmation it says the following:
VEZVerizon Individual Keep Existing Plan
So I'm wondering if anyone has presented this to Verizon upon activation and successfully argued to keep their unlimited data plan?
Wishful thinking, I know
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hlaalu said:
Hey guys, sorry if this had been brought up before. I helped my dad order a moto x and we both are expecting he'll lose his unlimited data plan, but the interesting thing is on the moto x site and the order confirmation it says the following:
VEZVerizon Individual Keep Existing Plan
So I'm wondering if anyone has presented this to Verizon upon activation and successfully argued to keep their unlimited data plan?
Wishful thinking, I know
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I'd guess you'll only find out on the first new bill. Why didnt you grab one on Cyber Monday or subsequent days? Then for sure wouldn't lose unlimited.
hlaalu said:
Hey guys, sorry if this had been brought up before. I helped my dad order a moto x and we both are expecting he'll lose his unlimited data plan, but the interesting thing is on the moto x site and the order confirmation it says the following:
VEZVerizon Individual Keep Existing Plan
So I'm wondering if anyone has presented this to Verizon upon activation and successfully argued to keep their unlimited data plan?
Wishful thinking, I know
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how did you purchase the device? did you buy it full retail or did you buy it as part of an upgrade? if you purchased it as an upgrade, you will for sure lose your unlimited data. if you bought it full retail, nothing about your services will change.
there are methods for using an alternate upgrade while keeping unlimited data that have been detailed all over this forum.
Yep, so long as you don't do it as part of your upgrade cycle from Verizon you should be good.
OTHO you effectively end up paying double for the phone then because the plan is priced as if you always use the upgrade as soon as possible.
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Yep, so long as you don't do it as part of your upgrade cycle from Verizon you should be good.
OTHO you effectively end up paying double for the phone then because the plan is priced as if you always use the upgrade as soon as possible.
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Depends on your plan. I pay $75 a month after all taxes and fees for my unlimited data plan. Cheapest you can get now before taxes and fees is 80 bucks, and realistically I'd be on the $110 a month plan. I save over $400 yearly compared to what I would get if I took a subsidized phone that I would have to keep for 2 years. Don't even get me started on 'Edge'.
RoyalPeasantry said:
Yep, so long as you don't do it as part of your upgrade cycle from Verizon you should be good.
OTHO you effectively end up paying double for the phone then because the plan is priced as if you always use the upgrade as soon as possible.
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this kills me. no carrier has ever removed the subsidy from anyone's plan for paying off a device. all plans are (or were) priced to include the subsidy. if you're out of contract, you're still paying for that subsidy. if you pay full retail, you're still paying for the subsidy.
so yes, in effect, your plan is priced so that you take advantage of your "upgrade" every 2 years. but taking advantage of the subsidy does not mean you are effectively "paying double" for the device.
however, if you change plans so that you can keep using upgrades (remove unlimited), then yes, you are effectively paying more for the device. you would be better off paying full retail and keeping your old plan (with unlimited) than switching to the new share everything plans.
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this kills me. no carrier has ever removed the subsidy from anyone's plan for paying off a device. all plans are (or were) priced to include the subsidy. if you're out of contract, you're still paying for that subsidy. if you pay full retail, you're still paying for the subsidy.
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TMobile?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...r-of-words-after-killing-subsidies-contracts/
AT&T?
http://gigaom.com/2013/12/05/att-takes-on-t-mobile-with-new-contract-free-plan-pricing/
so yes, in effect, your plan is priced so that you take advantage of your "upgrade" every 2 years. but taking advantage of the subsidy does not mean you are effectively "paying double" for the device.
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I assume you meant 'not taking advantage of the subsidy'? No, you're not paying double for the device, instead you're paying approximately as much more for the plan as you would have for another device.
however, if you change plans so that you can keep using upgrades (remove unlimited), then yes, you are effectively paying more for the device. you would be better off paying full retail and keeping your old plan (with unlimited) than switching to the new share everything plans.
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You really can't make this statement in a general sense. It really depends on how much data you use.
If your phone is $100 after subsidy, but $580 without subsidy, you paid $480 'more' in order to keep your unlimited plan. $480 / 24 months is effectively an extra $20 / month that you wouldn't have had to spend if you didn't keep your unlimited plan. (Not to mention paying up front is much more painful then paying monthly)
Now, you're already spending $30 / month for the unlimited data plan, so thats $50 / month per phone. After the base price of $60 for 2GB it is $10 for each 2GB extra. Assuming 2 people on the plan they could get 10 GB for the same price. Each extra $50 per person can get you another 10 GB for the same price.
I'm not a light data user, and the most I've ever hit on my phone in a month is 8 GB, and thats with deliberately refusing to use wifi even when I could have. With wifi I could have negated almost all of that. On average I use under 1 GB per month.
Anyway, most people with more than 2 people on the plan could easily save money by switching to the share everything plan, its not anywhere near as simple as 'the unlimited plan is always better'.