I am getting conflicting info and do not want to brick my phone. Here's my detail:
AT&T Moto X with Locked Bootloader, running the latest OTA 4.4.2. I'd like to root my Moto X. Is this even possible? If so, I know I have to downgrade to 4.2.2 first, but how? What things I should watch out for? This is my daily driver so I'd like to NOT brick it. Thanks in advance.
DO NOT DOWNGRADE FROM 4.4.2 to anything!!!!
Changes to the bootloader, gpt.bin and other things prevent successful downgrading. You could either brick or set yourself up for a brick later if you try and downgrade
as for rooting 4.4.2....
No. There is currently no way to root an X that has a locked bootloader and 4.4.2. That includes Verizon, ATT, and others.
This is covered in many threads already, including some recently started ones.
Here are some I found quickly just by scrolling through the thread listing in this Q&A section....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/root-verizon-4-4-2-t2727627
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/help-moto-x-t2726909
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/root-4-4-2-t2723553
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/root-4-4-2-locked-bootloader-t2719818
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/4-4-2-root-method-t2711789 (and -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/real-t2710834 )
Thanks, kidjoe!
I probably read at least one of the threads you posted above, but it probably didn't register a warning with me. Anyway, it's now crystal clear that I shouldn't root my moto x at this point.
This should be a sticky.
The reason why there are so many new recent threads about the downgrade and rooting questions is because there are many threads telling people how to downgrade and root their moto x. Buried within the threads and pages of postings, you can find a warning or two. There should be a sticky about this issue, not buried and hard to find, right there front and center. But, I am not holding my breath.
there actually was a big long thread discussing it... It disappeared, but I wasn't following it closely enough to know why..
Most of the root threads do have comments near their ends (the most recent parts) that they don't work on 4.4.2, etc.. even if they don't contain warnings on downgrading.
But you are right... a sticky thread warning not to downgrade is a good idea.
KidJoe said:
there actually was a big long thread discussing it... It disappeared, but I wasn't following it closely enough to know why..
Most of the root threads do have comments near their ends (the most recent parts) that they don't work on 4.4.2, etc.. even if they don't contain warnings on downgrading.
But you are right... a sticky thread warning not to downgrade is a good idea.
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It was removed by request of the opening poster cause it became a giant argument thread.....one side saying DON'T downgrade....and the other side saying you can downgrade if you do this that and the other thing. Lol
Sent from my N5, N7, Moto X, G Tab 3 or S2.....
to be on the safe side I wouldn't downgrade anything unless you've exhausted all resources an that more than 10-20 real individuals actually successfully downgraded
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burntengel said:
to be on the safe side I wouldn't downgrade anything unless you've exhausted all resources an that more than 10-20 real individuals actually successfully downgraded
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Maybe I'm too cautious, but the only way I'd ever think of trying to downgrade....is if I had $350 to burn....just in case. Lol.
Sent from my N5, N7, Moto X, G Tab 3 or S2.....
I am thinking about getting the Moto X 2013 Developer Edition unlocked. My concerns are :
- Is the hardware any different from the regular Moto X? I'd like to know if there are many custom ROMs for this model or do they mostly target the standard Moto X only? I have had similar issues with other non-standard phone models (G2, Nexus4, Note 2)
- Can I use this for LTE/4G in Canada? (Rogers)
- Is the Camera really that bad? Any better in Lollipop
- Speaking of which, is Lollipop released for this yet?
- Is the camera any better with Lollipop or CM12 Roms?
Any other general tips before getting this phone? Recommend it or not?
1. No. A quick search on Google would answer that. All Moto Xs are, essentially, developer editions. The one thing that makes a developer edition different from all the rest is the color scheme and the ability to unlock the bootloader through Motorola while maintaining the warranty. Unlocking the bootloader on any other variant voids the warranty.
2. Google. Or compare the 2 developer editions that are available to the Rogers Moto X.
3. Subjective. It's all a matter of your expectations and needs. It's no iPhone camera but it doesn't suck.
4. Try Google or browse around this forum.
5. About the same. What you should be considering is whether or not you're willing to deal with losing the Motorola features like Moto Display, Assist, etc.
6. Use Google and do more research of your own. You can know just as much as we do because we have access to the same information you do. Asking for a recommendation from a group of people who own the phone you're looking to buy? What do you think the answer is going to be? Do you think you'll be able to find a better phone for $200 brand new without a contract?
nhizzat said:
1. No. A quick search on Google would answer that. All Moto Xs are, essentially, developer editions. The one thing that makes a developer edition different from all the rest is the color scheme and the ability to unlock the bootloader through Motorola while maintaining the warranty. Unlocking the bootloader on any other variant voids the warranty.
2. Google. Or compare the 2 developer editions that are available to the Rogers Moto X.
3. Subjective. It's all a matter of your expectations and needs. It's no iPhone camera but it doesn't suck.
4. Try Google or browse around this forum.
5. About the same. What you should be considering is whether or not you're willing to deal with losing the Motorola features like Moto Display, Assist, etc.
6. Use Google and do more research of your own. You can know just as much as we do because we have access to the same information you do. Asking for a recommendation from a group of people who own the phone you're looking to buy? What do you think the answer is going to be? Do you think you'll be able to find a better phone for $200 brand new without a contract?
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Wow. Do you enjoy answering questions just to show your arrogance?
I did do Google searches but no specific answers came up. A lot of the results are from XDA as well with slightly different questions.
Fix your attitude. This is a Q&A forum. Or just don't post at all. No one needs your crap.
Thanks for the answers but not worth the attitude.
I got a brand new one on Ebay a month ago for $200. It was the XT1053.
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marsisabar said:
Wow. Do you enjoy answering questions just to show your arrogance?
I did do Google searches but no specific answers came up. A lot of the results are from XDA as well with slightly different questions.
Fix your attitude. This is a Q&A forum. Or just don't post at all. No one needs your crap.
Thanks for the answers but not worth the attitude.
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How much are you gonna complain at the guy giving you free help? I apologize that his free help wasn't exactly as you expected...
The camera is bad by modern standards but will totally take pictures of what you point it at. Unless the picture has very good composition, landscape scenes are a bit of a let down... Ive noticed that macro pictures look pretty good. Not the best camera if you are trying to be a photographer.... But will totally work to show your buddies a picture of what you drew on that passed out guy at the party...
There is a super long thread called show of pictures you snapped with the moto x....
Otherwise, as he said developer edition is policy only (other then color and automatic 32gig). The only difference is that when you unlock moto will still honor your warrenty (and on vzw, ect they allow you to unlock)
Ton here.... Just read through the forums for a while. Thats what I did.
Read first then ask. All your question can be answered by Google. I guess you haven't watched the XDA's "Don't be a Noob" video.
1. GSM Arena, Phone Arena or any other site that features phone specs.
2. What bands does your carrier support? When you know that, compare it to the bands supported by Moto X DE.
3. Subjective.
4. No, the answer is all over Moto X reddit.
5. Do you want the features that Motorola offers over CM12?
6. This is a site for custom ROMs and kernels. I own one. What do you think?
Just to reiterate, only hardware difference is the 32gb while other moto Xs may be 16,32, or 64. Other difference is the white back/black front and "developer Edition" printed on the back. Camera isn't bad in my opinion but certainly not iphone level. Like everyone said, policy advantage that you can unlock the bootloader etc. Don't think there are that many roms but I'm betting you won't need them. Stock is fast and smooth, and you don't want to lose the Moto features. Any customization you need is possible through Xposed and gravity box. This phone cured me and many other flashaholics. Best phone I've ever had so far.
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marsisabar said:
I am thinking about getting the Moto X 2013 Developer Edition unlocked. My concerns are :
- Is the hardware any different from the regular Moto X? I'd like to know if there are many custom ROMs for this model or do they mostly target the standard Moto X only? I have had similar issues with other non-standard phone models (G2, Nexus4, Note 2)
- Can I use this for LTE/4G in Canada? (Rogers)
- Is the Camera really that bad? Any better in Lollipop
- Speaking of which, is Lollipop released for this yet?
- Is the camera any better with Lollipop or CM12 Roms?
Any other general tips before getting this phone? Recommend it or not?
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Hey, don't mind the big dorks around here, they can't help them selves Anyone with any sense realizes that you are unsure and trying to be clear as possible, while asking for help with humilty. If I could give you good answers I would.
I would (make sure your variant works with this because i'm not sure about your's) try Kryton, Eclipse (they are essentially stock based but debloated and tweaked in certain areas - I think - VERY good place to start especially if you want to keep the things that make a Moto X special (moto apps yada.) There's a search with in each thread that searchs only that thread for key words etc if you didn't already see it. Prolly start with main search with in Moto Development Forum and then search inside each individual thread that is interesting or might be specifically about your device/variant.
I am prolly telling you things you already know but, yeah just want to give you something besides a childish attitude you received previously.:good:
The Lollipop ROMS are not ready for prime time yet (just my opinion) Camera is fine, for a phone. Has very quick shutter speed(99%) so catching that moment instead of a blur is likely... I wouldn't plan on anything but candid/off the cuff shot's plenty good for what it is. Last thing you wanna do is compare... If it were me I'd decide what I need out of a phone, then what I want and find the phone that most closely matches it. Enjoy!:good:
Stock room is great BTW, Once you get up and running start with Xposed (free.. ****in awesome) and try out gravtybox, amplify, greenify... it all depends what you want/need.
MOTO X is a great phone
- Big Dork Myself.
kyzn said:
Read first then ask. All your question can be answered by Google. I guess you haven't watched the XDA's "Don't be a Noob" video.
1. GSM Arena, Phone Arena or any other site that features phone specs.
2. What bands does your carrier support? When you know that, compare it to the bands supported by Moto X DE.
3. Subjective.
4. No, the answer is all over Moto X reddit.
5. Do you want the features that Motorola offers over CM12?
6. This is a site for custom ROMs and kernels. I own one. What do you think?
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3. Saying 'subjective' doesn't help. I actually am looking for your subjective opinions. That's why I'm asking here.
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Hey, don't mind the big dorks around here, they can't help them selves Anyone with any sense realizes that you are unsure and trying to be clear as possible, while asking for help with humilty. If I could give you good answers I would.
I would (make sure your variant works with this because i'm not sure about your's) try Kryton, Eclipse (they are essentially stock based but debloated and tweaked in certain areas - I think - VERY good place to start especially if you want to keep the things that make a Moto X special (moto apps yada.) There's a search with in each thread that searchs only that thread for key words etc if you didn't already see it. Prolly start with main search with in Moto Development Forum and then search inside each individual thread that is interesting or might be specifically about your device/variant.
I am prolly telling you things you already know but, yeah just want to give you something besides a childish attitude you received previously.:good:
The Lollipop ROMS are not ready for prime time yet (just my opinion) Camera is fine, for a phone. Has very quick shutter speed(99%) so catching that moment instead of a blur is likely... I wouldn't plan on anything but candid/off the cuff shot's plenty good for what it is. Last thing you wanna do is compare... If it were me I'd decide what I need out of a phone, then what I want and find the phone that most closely matches it. Enjoy!:good:
Stock room is great BTW, Once you get up and running start with Xposed (free.. ****in awesome) and try out gravtybox, amplify, greenify... it all depends what you want/need.
MOTO X is a great phone
- Big Dork Myself.
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Finally a normal person responds. Thank you That's just the answer I was looking for. Stay cool [emoji106]
marsisabar said:
I am thinking about getting the Moto X 2013 Developer Edition unlocked. My concerns are :
Is the hardware any different from the regular Moto X? I'd like to know if there are many custom ROMs for this model or do they mostly target the standard Moto X only? I have had similar issues with other non-standard phone models (G2, Nexus4, Note 2)
Can I use this for LTE/4G in Canada? (Rogers)
Is the Camera really that bad? Any better in Lollipop
Speaking of which, is Lollipop released for this yet?
Is the camera any better with Lollipop or CM12 Roms?
Any other general tips before getting this phone? Recommend it or not?
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There are 2 Developer Editions of the 2013 X.. A GSM and a "for Verizon". All the GSM editions only come with Black Face, Woven White back that says Dev Edition, silver accents (buttons and ring around camera), come as 32gig only, and their warranty is not voided when unlocking their bootloader. Other than that they are the same as others. Just like the "Unlocked ships with XXX Sim" from Moto Maker, and/or a "T-Mobile" variant, the GSM Dev Edition is the XT1053. All these XT1053 units use the SAME ROM/SBF files. Just like the Moto Maker or in-Store version of the Verizon X, the Dev Edition for Verizon is an XT1060. These XT1060 units all use the SAME ROM/SBF files.
Oh, and because of this, the Dev Editions receive their OTA updates on the same schedule as their retail and moto maker counter parts.
Rogers sells/uses the XT1058, it supports different LTE bands than the XT1053 and XT1060, so you need to see exactly what Rogers is using today vs what the XT1053 or XT1060 support, and is it important to you, or how will that impact you. (there is a Wikipedia page on the X which does list the bands the models support, I just don't know where to tell you to find exactly which bands Rogers uses today, and might roll out in the future). NOTE: The Rogers XT1058 can have its bootloader unlocked for free from Moto's web site, but it does void the phone's warranty
in my experience (dating back to my Moto V710), Cameras in moto's phones have always lagged behind the competition. The X is no exception. Is it worthless? No. But if its not perfect conditions, you'll likely be disappointed. For outdoor, sunny day and perfectly lit situations, it takes great pictures. For Indoors, or cloudy day, or back lit, its not as good. There is a thread of pix taken with the X in the general section, but I've not had as good of luck with mine as pix you'll see in that thread (I don't retouch or edit after taking) as many have posted in that thread. As for lollipop camera, no idea until it gets here. And I don't use CM.
Lollipop is out for the 2014 X (aka 2nd gen), but not the 2013 X (aka 1st gen) yet. No word on when it will be out. But moto has said it will be coming.
Already answered in #3 and #4
Arrogance? I once had all the same questions. Guess what I did? I searched and read then made an informed decision. The only difference being that I bought the phone when there was a lot less information available. You have the luxury of having a year and a half of information at your disposal from all over the internet.
If you can't find answers with that much information at your fingertips, how does that make me arrogant? I don't pretend to know more than you, I just believe in being logical and taking responsibility. If the phone is highly recommended and leads you to buy it, then what would you say or do if you find the phone doesn't suit your needs or doesn't meet your expectations? Would you ask strangers about anything and accept what they say as true without confirming the information yourself? Or would you buy something because a stranger recommended that you do?
I asked for advice and you gave "google it, google it, its subjective, what do you want from me"
You definitely have an attitude problem. It doesn't belong on XDA where the community is typically about discussing and sharing advice and opinion.
I'm glad you got your answers from google. This is still a Q&A forum. Fix your attitude, its also in the rules.
Ok so I have searched quite a bit and have not found a definitive answer.
I have a 2nd generation moto x with at&t's ROM and all it's "glory". Is there any way to flash the pure edition ROM to it and if so would it interfere with anything like receiving cell signal or OTA updates normally?
Alternatively, at the very least is there a way to get rid of all the crap applications at&t seems to want to cram down my throat?
Wolfore said:
Ok so I have searched quite a bit and have not found a definitive answer.
I have a 2nd generation moto x with at&t's ROM and all it's "glory". Is there any way to flash the pure edition ROM to it and if so would it interfere with anything like receiving cell signal or OTA updates normally?
Alternatively, at the very least is there a way to get rid of all the crap applications at&t seems to want to cram down my throat?
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You should probably post this in the Moto X 2014 forum. This is for The 2013 1st Generation Moto X.
fury683 said:
You should probably post this in the Moto X 2014 forum. This is for The 2013 1st Generation Moto X.
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Oops sorry about that post moved.
Now that n6 for tmobile has wifi calling is there anyway to port this to moto x 2014? I suspect no as I BELIEVE its a modded radio file that allows it to work but not sure thus why i am asking
No one? No one knows or just no one is interested?
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I would put this in the general forum as I don't see why it is in the themes and apps forum.
Xda has been trying to port the wifi calling feature for years with no success. It's baked in at a very low level.
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With previous phones there's always been custom roms released that bring customizing of pretty much everything. Loads of settings.. Status bar for instance, change the front, color, clock location etc.
Why is there none for the turbo, is it not possible?
I assume you have the DROID Turbo XT1254?
Is your bootloader unlocked? Are you rooted? If so...
List here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/development/roms-t3347701
Location here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-maxx
The Quark forums (XT1254 Droid Turbo/XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx/XT1225 Moto Maxx/XT1225 Moto Turbo) were split last September 2015 into two forums because locked-down Droid Turbo XT1254 owners didn't want to see any dev work for the booloader unlocked Quarks (Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo -- YES, there's another Quark called "Turbo") in their forum.
So, due to XT1254 user requests XDA mods physically removed all the custom ROMs, kernels, etc for the bootloader unlocked Quarks and transferred them to another forum, called the "Moto Maxx" forum.
Ironically, less than two months later, in November 2015 Sunshine exploit unlocked the Droid Turbo bootloader (for SUTL-44). Suddenly Droid Turbo users WANTED all this dev work... but it's mostly still posted over in the OTHER Quark forum.
The Quark CM dev graciously replicated CM threads back over here even after being thrown out, but still most people go over there to discuss.
Some XT1254 users said they have now requested the forums be joined again, but I think it's low on the list of XDA mod priorities. Especially now that the recent OTA (SUTL-49) has locked out Sunshine procrastinators, less and less Droid Turbo XT1254 owners can participate.
Ahh that explains it. Thank you very much for the explanation and links. Yes I'm unlocked, rooted and running cm for now.