I'm wondering how Sony managed to leave the headphone jack unprotected and still achieve ip58? Which is the highest rating and would even mean continous submerging (albeit they limit it to 30 minutes for security reasons?!)
Is this a possible weakness, may corrosion set in? I've heard stuff like that from the Galaxy S4 active.
And also, will the headphone jack still be waterproof while headphones are plugged in, e.g. when running and listening to music and then rain sets in?
drsoran2 said:
I'm wondering how Sony managed to leave the headphone jack unprotected and still achieve ip58? Which is the highest rating and would even mean continous submerging (albeit they limit it to 30 minutes for security reasons?!)
Is this a possible weakness, may corrosion set in? I've heard stuff like that from the Galaxy S4 active.
And also, will the headphone jack still be waterproof while headphones are plugged in, e.g. when running and listening to music and then rain sets in?
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lol what kind of question is this. If it's water proof exposed, logically it doesn't matter whether jack is inserted or not. It's not like the jack rips into the device lol
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lol what kind of question is this. If it's water proof exposed, logically it doesn't matter whether jack is inserted or not. It's not like the jack rips into the device lol
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I don't think the question is silly. I was guessing when the headphones are plugged in, they are making some kind of contact inside the connector, thus a small amount of electricity flows and you can hear sound. And this may be a differenting factor compared to no headphones plugged in and in terms of waterproofness. Maybe the manual gives a hint once it is released.
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I don't think the question is silly. I was guessing when the headphones are plugged in, they are making some kind of contact inside the connector, thus a small amount of electricity flows and you can hear sound. And this may be a differenting factor compared to no headphones plugged in and in terms of waterproofness. Maybe the manual gives a hint once it is released.
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Well, when you insert a jack, one of contacts inside the female-jack acts as a switch. So it moves back and the spring action holds the jack in place (also allows the device to detect the jack is plulgged in).
So, you're right, inserting the jack would cause a minor movement inside the female-jack housing. But given that Z1 is protected only to 1.5metres depth, I don't think there's enough water-pressure there producing big enough force to create a gap in between the male-jack and the female-jack contact.
And in-terms of you mentioning current flow, that has got nothing to do with waterproofing, that's just electrocution. But even so, the current exchanged between the male and female jacks are so low, you won't get electrocuted lol
Z1 will still be waterproof & completely safe with headphones inserted...but I can't say about the headphone/headset itself as that will have to be waterproof too, otherwise there will be a chance of the headphone getting short-circuited which in-turn could damage the phone via the surge through the jack/socket.
i recommend the Monster iSport headphones, They are perfect for this, They are completely waterproof and it has a remote to control calls, music etc. (volume buttons only work with iphone)
n4v1n said:
i recommend the Monster iSport headphones, They are perfect for this, They are completely waterproof and it has a remote to control calls, music etc. (volume buttons only work with iphone)
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cool I can make calls under water
to the OP - I can understand why you asked the question and I believe it has been answered - yes the phone remains IP58 with headphones inserted
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Hi,
Wanted to ask if this was a common problem. The 3.5mm socket on my Xperia has worn two pretty significant grooves into my headphone jack. It's now so bad that the right channel doesn't work half the time. The problem persists when I use the headphones in other devices to it's definitely managed to damage the heaphone jack.
I experimented with the included microphone lead and it has also managed to scar that a little so I immediately stopped using it.
Has anyone else encountered this problem? FYI the headphones are AKG K414P.
Thanks
Tome
The socket sucks. It ALMOST broke my in-ear headphone's jack. It's too tight.
yeah the socket is really tight on mine as well, haven't streaked any headphones yet though, maybe I haven't used them enough?
I have something like this. I think I have the same problem.
It is indeed too tight.
Managed to pull away the rubber coating on my headphones jack, while trying to unplug :/
dogans said:
It is indeed too tight.
Managed to pull away the rubber coating on my headphones jack, while trying to unplug :/
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That's what happened to me. Be sure to grab that rubber very tightly.
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I have something like this. I think I have the same problem.
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Same problem here, i think this is a common problem on all XPERIA. The socket is too damn tight.
Anyway once you know that you start taking care and you won't break anything. And it's clearly an advantage that it's so tight, if you're using big headphones and your X1 slips out of your hand, it won't touch the ground (Assuming the cable is not too long and you ain't too small ). I like this.
I think we're talking about two different problems here.
My original question was about the contacts on the inside of the socket being so strong that they have cut grooves into the headphone plug. The grooves are so deep that they will not make connection half of the time i use it so that I am losing the right channel of audio on my headphones.
The other problem you guys are talking about is that the heaphone jack holds onto the plug too tightly and so the plug is damaged when you try to remove it.
While you might be able to prevent the second problem by removing the plug carefully, there is no way to avoid the original problem that I reported.
It sounds like Ksian might have the same problem as me but i can't tell from the short reply. Has anyone else experience loss of audio through one channel of their headphones due to the socket cutting grooves in their headphone jack? I know for sure that the X1 socket is too hard as it always makes marks on plugs that are inserted into them, but i want to know if my headphone plug might also be too soft combining two problems to make me lose sound in the right-hand channel
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I think we're talking about two different problems here.
My original question was about the contacts on the inside of the socket being so strong that they have cut grooves into the headphone plug. The grooves are so deep that they will not make connection half of the time i use it so that I am losing the right channel of audio on my headphones.
The other problem you guys are talking about is that the heaphone jack holds onto the plug too tightly and so the plug is damaged when you try to remove it.
While you might be able to prevent the second problem by removing the plug carefully, there is no way to avoid the original problem that I reported.
It sounds like Ksian might have the same problem as me but i can't tell from the short reply. Has anyone else experience loss of audio through one channel of their headphones due to the socket cutting grooves in their headphone jack? I know for sure that the X1 socket is too hard as it always makes marks on plugs that are inserted into them, but i want to know if my headphone plug might also be too soft combining two problems to make me lose sound in the right-hand channel
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I DO have BOTH problems. My plug has quite deep scratches. But no loss of audio so far. I think this will get better with time, the socket will also lose some material If your headphones are expensive and break quickly (and you absolutely want to keep your X1 as Mp3player) you might want to use a very small extension cord to avoid damage to the headphones themselves. Extensions of say 2" exist.
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It is indeed too tight.
Managed to pull away the rubber coating on my headphones jack, while trying to unplug :/
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Same thing it did to mine, killing my Creative Aurvanas's 3.5mm jack rubber housing. They still work but the rubber is loose.
Ah well, because of that I am actually looking at some Shure E530's (the Xperia is a pretty good source IMO). They have a detachable extension cord so i can use a L-plug instead of a straight plug.
Really, use L-plugs, they are a lot more durable against the tight socket. Its just because the sound is really great for a phone, hell, I bet its better than most MP3 players, else i would be very mad, killing my favourite IEM's . Very clean sound, although sensitive IEM's will hiss but that is expectable from such a 'noisy' thing like a fully packed-with-features phone.
But hey, a tight socket is better then a loose socket, or a proprietary extension cord like the HTC's.
Apart from killing my Aurvana's I still think the 3.5mm socket is High Quality Stuff. It just feels 'right' when you plug in your IEM's/headphones.
Keep in mind that you shouldn't keep the extension plugged in all the time because the phone actually detects this and routes certain sound events from the speaker to the headphones. For instance if you pick up a call with the extension plugged in but no headphones, you will not be able to hear the caller.
yeah i was thinking that i might have to make/buy a short extension to save my expensive headphones
it's like you guys are saying, the sound is good enough that i want to put good headphones on so i'll have to find a way to protect them. I wonder if the included handsfree extension is resistant to the phone's socket?
I use the stock extension. It gets scratched as well (have xperia for 2 months). As for the sound quality, I'm thinking about repairing my good old Ipod nano for listening mp3's. I do think, that it has better sound quality and more than that the battery of the phone won't die out so fast (playing music for about 2 hours a day).
Lol. Would not have noticed this without you guys. Who would look at their earphone jacks? Either they are very bored or something about their earphones is screwed up.
Does other HTC phones have these problems? Oh wait, only the THD has 3.5mm.
The jack has ground grooves into the jack on every single pair of earphones I own,and based on this alone, I'd say SE, give me my freakin money back!
Is it serious? Probably not. But is it supposed to do that? Hell no.
I don't want to use the stock extension cable, otherwise I wouldn't choose a phone with a 3.5mm jack, Jesus bleeping Christ.
I have the same problem here. I used a nokia handsfree and after 2 days I had that scratches and sometimes I couldn't here well, the sound was faded and i had to turn the jack in a certain position. Today I tried an Iphone handsfree and it doesn't work well..
I don't know why... Is it to thin? It's new but the sound is faded. I don;t get it? Has anybody tried this apple headphones? (The one with microphone, so 3 stripes on the jack)
LATER POST: I TRIED ANOTHER HEADPHONES AND THE SAME BLURED SOUND...SO I GUESS MY SOCKET IT'S SCREWED
well, then again the apple handsfree is thiner i guess, because i tried some Lg headphones and they were ok. the apple headphones are functioning conected on laptop. I don't know what to believe... I really wanted to use the apple stuff on this phone, i should buy an extender.
use your xperia handfree as an extension, have been doing that for over a year now, and even though it's scratched like hell, it works fine, without damaging my beats
Could you please tell me wich model of headphones by SE are they? I mean the x1 headphones.
I found out that iphone's 3.5mm socket is not like the others so the x1 is not like the others and maybe that;s the reason i can;t use the apple headphones.
ok...got it.."If they have a mic, then they're useless for anything but an iPhone.
Apple decided rather than follow the industry standard of Right/Left/Mic/Ground, they would make their own up. They chose to make their socket Right/Left/Ground/Mic, which means your N900 is trying to ground the headphones through the mic, which clearly will not work.
In short, they won't work on anything except an iProduct."
Today my phone slipped out of my pocket. It slid out while I was attempting to change songs. I didn’t even look down. Just waited to hear the sound of it hitting the ground. Thankfully I never heard that sound. I looked down and the phone was dangling inches from the cement; saved by my headphone wire.
Question 1) Is this by design? The female/male connection of the 3.5mm jack seems unusually snug*. The USB by comparison sometimes falls out.
Question 2) Are there any apps that utilize the volume rocker to change the songs on the music player?
*that's what she said
I think you just got lucky *
I order to give good audio quality, the jacks need to be snug, better connection. I've seen many instances where I'd need to replace headphone jacks in computers because they wouldn't snap in firmly and not make good connections. If you held it at the right angle, music would play, but not without crackling and popping occasionally.
I have no clue if there are any apps. I imagine that would be more a limitation on the plug portion than the programs. The Aria did it, but I know there are particular types of headphones that have them built in that speicifically will/will not work with the phone. Just have to try.
*that's what I said. Just now. See, I said it. Earlier in the post. First line. See?
Hi There everyone,
Well i just got my XPERIA Z1 yesterday and i had spilt water on it. All the flaps were closed and i had dried it all off. Afterwards (1 and a half hours later) i decided to listen to some music but the problem was that as soon as i inserted my headphones into the jack it would not play any sound from the headphone itself, it would only play the sound from the phone's speakers. The headphones were working perfectly normal in the morning when i was using the phone before i spilt the water. I assumed that the headphone jack had not fully dried so i left it for about 3-4 hours and now as soon as i plugged in my headphones the same problem came. I tried the original sony headphones that came in the box and there is a strange static/buzzy coming from the headphone and yet the sound would slightly play from the phones speakers. I do not know what to do and this is not exactly what i expected from a waterproof phone.
THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE: I have updated my phones software to the latest, i have tried switching it off and on again and tried using both sony headphones including the original one.
If anybody comes up with a solution to this i would be extremely grateful.
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Hi There everyone,
Well i just got my XPERIA Z1 yesterday and i had spilt water on it. All the flaps were closed and i had dried it all off. Afterwards (1 and a half hours later) i decided to listen to some music but the problem was that as soon as i inserted my headphones into the jack it would not play any sound from the headphone itself, it would only play the sound from the phone's speakers. The headphones were working perfectly normal in the morning when i was using the phone before i spilt the water. I assumed that the headphone jack had not fully dried so i left it for about 3-4 hours and now as soon as i plugged in my headphones the same problem came. I tried the original sony headphones that came in the box and there is a strange static/buzzy coming from the headphone and yet the sound would slightly play from the phones speakers. I do not know what to do and this is not exactly what i expected from a waterproof phone.
THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE: I have updated my phones software to the latest, i have tried switching it off and on again and tried using both sony headphones including the original one.
If anybody comes up with a solution to this i would be extremely grateful.
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get a q-tip or earbud and clean and make sure the inside of the headphone jack is completly clean and dry.
I highly doubt it would have not dried after so many hours, i live in a hot country and i just came from outside and i tried again, and yet i am still facing problems.
can anybody please help? Am i the only one who is experiencing this???
this has been discussed many times, it seems to be a software fault possibly due to smart connect, unless you indeed have a defective unit. try turning on and off smart connect and the profiles associated with your headphones, that did it for me.
hi i put some water on my z1 and the headphone jack is no longer working as the headphones are not getting detected, any sound comes through the speakers and not the heaphones. can anybody hep?
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hi i put some water on my z1 and the headphone jack is no longer working as the headphones are not getting detected, any sound comes through the speakers and not the heaphones. can anybody hep?
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Sounds like a defective unit (i.e. water seeps into the headphone jack).
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Sounds like a defective unit (i.e. water seeps into the headphone jack).
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Sorry i keep on bumping the thread but what can i do about the smart connect thing? because i just remembered whenever i plugged in headphones at first the smart connect option would come up and now whenever i do it doesn't come up. What should i do??
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Sorry i keep on bumping the thread but what can i do about the smart connect thing? because i just remembered whenever i plugged in headphones at first the smart connect option would come up and now whenever i do it doesn't come up. What should i do??
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Firstly, ensure that the Event(s) are turned on in Smart Connect.
Secondly, it could possibly be because of your defective jack that the phone is unable to detect your headphone being plugged in, and that's why the Event is not triggered.
hush66 said:
Firstly, ensure that the Event(s) are turned on in Smart Connect.
Secondly, it could possibly be because of your defective jack that the phone is unable to detect your headphone being plugged in, and that's why the Event is not triggered.
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I have hardware problem (i think). Tried changing firmware, cleaning jack etc...still not working. So the question is: if the water really damaged jack, can replacing it fix the problem?
My 3.5 mm audio output has been having increasing problems and it won't recognize most jacks anymore, including my earphones. Do you know of any trick to make it work, or would I need to replace the part completely to have it working again?
I think it depends on the kind of issue you see.
Example:
My audio jack was not working when I received my used Droid 4 from the USA.
I realized that my headphones are not deep enough in the phone. When I push them in a bit more they worked properly, but hey flip out as soon I touch the cable or I move.
1. Look if the Headphone jack is dirty and clean it up: h**ps://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/prod_answer_detail/a_id/85247/p/30,6720,8096/c/8149,8172
2. If its cleaned and still not working its probably a hardware issue. ( Now you need to find whats broken / not working )
- A weak point is that the feeds of headphone jack are only pushed against the mainboard. I can imagine that carrying the phone in the pocket will bend that feeds. Meaning if you try to use the headphone jack outside of the pocket it will not work properly. You can try to push from the outside of the headphone jack to see if they work then properly. If yes... you need to disassembly the phone... and bend the feeds of the headphone jack back so that they get contact with the mb again.
- In my case after cleaning the headphone jack, the plug still didn't fit into the jack properly. I didn't want to open the Phone since ifixit says its a mess. So I tried to fix it without replacing it. I pushed a pice of toothpick into it to widen the deepest part of the jack. That fixed my Headphone jack. But the risk is there that you completely mess up the jack and you have to replace it completely.
Try at your own risk!
It is VERY easy for lint, dust, and grime to get stuck in the audio input socket. It's happened to my phone several times, since the audio jack isn't covered by any sort of cap. If you turn the phone off, shine a light into the socket, and (gently) dig around with a safety pin, you should be able to get most of the gunk out. It'd surprise you, how much lint can get stuck in there!
If you can find something to cover the audio input socket with, even better.
It was just dirty after all - I had like 3 mm worth of lint inside
I was worried it's some HW issue because different jacks responded differently... Glad it's not I use BT HF most of the time (with 3,5 jack output for headphones), but sometimes I like to plug the phone into my speakers, plus BT isn't that comfy for watching video...
Pipe cleaner wasn't very helpful, but a pin did the trick
Thanks for your help, guys!
Does anyone have a loose headphone jack? I just got my V40 the other day and when I went to plug in multiple pairs of headphones, they all slipped in easily without any resistance or noticeable click. It produces audio, however if it is slightly moved or rotated, it is enough to pause any playing media. I'm assuming it thinks it's disconnected at that point. Audio is one of the most important features for me. It's a shame I'll probably have to RMA it. Any thoughts on the matter guys? Thanks!
Edit: There is no problem. Apparently I had had to exert more force than I thought should be required. I tried without a case on and was able to fully insert the jack with a fair amount of pressure. After doing so, I put back on the case and was able to use all my headphones. There isn't a lot of clearance, however being firm with the pressure exerted, all my headphones were able to be fully seated. That's one tight Jack! Also, I'll leave a quick review with the headphones I currently have available. On another note, I wish that the audio settings would provide information regarding if the dac/amp is providing high or low gain, as well as offer the ability to toggle it on or off. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
Tested Headphones (Hi-Fi Quad DAC Enabled):
Meze 11 NEO IRIDIUM (IEMs): Easy to drive (Energy Efficient) - Loud, yet comfortable at volume 50*
Audio-Technica ATH-M50x: Easy to drive (Energy Efficient) - Loud, yet comfortable at volume 50*
Sennheiser HD 6XX: Easy to drive (Energy Efficient) - Loud, yet comfortable at volume 50*
HIFIMAN HE4XX: Harder to drive (Not Energy Efficient) - Still sounds absolutely amazing regardless - Volume at 65 is comfortable, 70 loud, 75 uncomfortably loud
*Recommended highest level of safe listening volume is 50. Once exceeded, you will receive a non-intrusive warning (not a dismissive window) each time saying that higher volume can damage your hearing. Volume limit is 75.
I have been having loose headphone jack issues. I am caseless now and fully seated. I pushed quite hard and am getting a stereo signal. Still quite loose and gets knocked out of the jack with even slight movement with the headphone cable... Quite annoying and not sure if there is a fix for it.
Take a pair of pliers, and flatten the end of a toothpick (I find it helpful, but not really necessary). Then dig around in the jack for lint with the toothpick. I had the exact same problem after about a year, use wired high end phones all the time...apparently over time I packed some pocket lint in there. I had lost the noticeable click and also easily dislodged enough to pause the playback. No problems since cleaning it out. (also might help to turn it upside down while cleaning). I like the toothpick because you can dig around without much risk of damage to the inner components of the 3.5mm jack.