I'm thinking of getting a moto x for my wife. She is currently on straight talk (ATT version), and I'm trying to move us to T-Mobile or one of it's MVNOs. Either way, I will be buying a contract-free device.
Now the million dollar question is, will the color-friendly ATT version work well on T-Mobile's frequencies? And will the non-colored Tmobile one work with ATT frequencies?
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I have the AT&T variant working on T-Mobile fine. Edge, 4G, 4G LTE. I don't see 3G in my area at all even on my GS4.
the AT&T version XT1058 , doesnt have support for AWS bands on HSPA + . So no 1700/2100 HSPA+ 4G or 3G.
a lot of areas have 1900 mhz HSPA+ t-mobile now, so you'd still be able to get on that, or T-Mobile LTE. the only moto-x that supports the AWS HSPA+ t-mobile bands, is the xt1053 one
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the AT&T version XT1058 , doesnt have support for AWS bands on HSPA + . So no 1700/2100 HSPA+ 4G or 3G.
a lot of areas have 1900 mhz HSPA+ t-mobile now, so you'd still be able to get on that, or T-Mobile LTE. the only moto-x that supports the AWS HSPA+ t-mobile bands, is the xt1053 one
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Thanks sleepy guy, I needed some model numbers to use as a reference. we live in a refarmed area (DC). I seem to have had much better luck, at getting reception with my 1700 friendly nexus4, than my wife does with her international s3.
That is why I ask. So Is it safe to assume, that the xt1053 should be able to get pepper reception on both att and tmobile frequencies?
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Thanks sleepy guy, I needed some model numbers to use as a reference. we live in a refarmed area (DC). I seem to have had much better luck, at getting reception with my 1700 friendly nexus4, than my wife does with her international s3.
That is why I ask. So Is it safe to assume, that the xt1053 should be able to get pepper reception on both att and tmobile frequencies?
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yes the xt1053 should be able to get basically any band at&t OR t-mobile use in the US.
i think the 32GB GSM dev edition is also an XT1053.
So the AT&T Moto X supports band 4 LTE? I'm in Chicago which is pretty well covered in LTE I might just buy the AT&T version for T-Mobile use if that's the case.
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So the AT&T Moto X supports band 4 LTE? I'm in Chicago which is pretty well covered in LTE I might just buy the AT&T version for T-Mobile use if that's the case.
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yes it supports band 4.
i actually returned my XT1053 t-mobile edition. i noticed it had some cosmetic defects like a scrape on the bottom from someone having dropped it, and a few imperfections in the plastic.
$660 (with tax) for american crappy manufacturing. went on ebay and bought an XT1058 for puerto rico (claro wireless) and they range in price from $500 to 550 ish (white ones seem to be cheaper).
anyway, i guess the XT1058 from canada / puerto rico are unlockable bootloaders. the puerto rico ones i know have no carrier branding or apps, and are made in china and i've heard they have better quality control. even the one ifixit took apart , which was an american one had a defect on it.
As long as you live in a refarmed area, you should be fine. I'm in an area that isn't refarmed yet, so all I get is edge on my AT&T variant X.
My understanding in talking with both T-Mobile and Moto is that both the T-Mobile variant and the GSM Dev Edition should book work in unfarmed areas as well.
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I am ready to buy the 64 mb Developer Edition but I want to make sure
this will work with the LTE USA bands.
My Nexus 4 does not. Experts Please advise.
Thank you in advance,
Charlie C
Yes works in ATT and T-Mobile. It says it on the spec page bud
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expertzero1 said:
Yes works in ATT and T-Mobile. It says it on the spec page bud
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On ALL LTE bands? Final question....
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Charlie
I don't have the specs off my head but 700, aws and others just check at the HTC store for the specs
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HTC One Developer Edition unboxing and hands-on VIDEO
Here is HTC One Developer Edition unboxing video.
In short yes it will work fine with both AT&T and TMO LTE bands.
It gets more complicated when talking about UMTS/HSPA bands on TMO but for LTE you're fine.
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Yes works in ATT and T-Mobile. It says it on the spec page bud
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Are you sure about T-mo? From the T-mo site http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-5627
-Mobile’s 4G LTE network will operate on the same band as our 4G HSPA+ network, Band IV, which uses 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz frequencies to transmit data services.
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I hope I'm reading this wrong, I am by no means an expert, but if they use 1700/2100 as they do for HSPA (IE one frequency upstream the other down) then the dev edition will not get 4G LTE on TMOUS.
Sorry for Hijacking the thread a little.
Quote from Android Police
A reminder to T-Mobile customers: this model will not support HSPA+ in most markets, but should work on its growing LTE network where offered.
Also, to follow that up. If you are in a refarmed 1900mhz area it will work HSPA+
That is my take from the Article
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...-pre-orders-open-up-to-u-s-customers-for-649/
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I hope I'm reading this wrong, I am by no means an expert, but if they use 1700/2100 as they do for HSPA (IE one frequency upstream the other down) then the dev edition will not get 4G LTE on TMOUS.
Sorry for Hijacking the thread a little.
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The quote is correct but so is what rugmankc said. The short answer is that UMTS and LTE band support does not have to be the same.
If you want a few specifics, the dev and AT&T Ones support LTE band 4 (AWS, or 1700/2100MHz) but only have triband UMTS (850/1900/2100 iirc). The T-Mobile One supports quadband UMTS (all UMTS frequencies except 900MHz I think) as well as LTE band 4. They both support LTE band 17 (700MHz) also, not sure about others.
So in conclusion: ATT/dev One works on T-Mo LTE and refarmed 1900MHz HSPA+.
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Does anyone actually have the HTC one developer Edition on ATT and is running LTE?
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I am going to buy a Moto X in the US and use it abroad. May I get some suggestion about which version to buy other than the Dev Ed because I managed to get a promotion code which can only be used for MotoMaker ones.
Is there any version that is unlocked for sim cards other than the carrier indicated?
which version is easier to root and unlock the BL of Moto X?
Thank you very much.
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I am going to buy a Moto X in the US and use it abroad. May I get some suggestion about which version to buy other than the Dev Ed because I managed to get a promotion code which can only be used for MotoMaker ones.
Is there any version that is unlocked for sim cards other than the carrier indicated?
which version is easier to root and unlock the BL of Moto X?
Thank you very much.
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TMO is sim unlocked and bootloader unlockable
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TMo
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Thank you!
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TMO is sim unlocked and bootloader unlockable
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Thanks alot.
I'm going to Mexico in January and I have the Verizon Dev edition; as far as I know, it has the same internals as the standard moto x, only the bootloader being unlockable is different. It's my understanding that Verzion phones come carrier unlocked, and the new ones (including the x) have gsm bands as well as cdma and LTE bands. My mexican (telcel) sim card shipped today so I should find out soon. These are the bands included in the verizon moto x:
Network: LTE, CDMA/1xEVDO Rev. A (800/1900 MHz)
LTE B13/4 700/1700
Global Network: EDGE/GSM (850/900/1800/1900), HSPA/UMTS( 850/900/1900/2100), HSDPA 42.2 Mbps (Category 20), HSUPA 5.76 Mbps
As long as your overseas carrier offers one of those you should be fine. Also, if you're about to buy, I'd hold off for a week if you can. I hear wood backs are coming to moto maker.
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I'm going to Mexico in January and I have the Verizon Dev edition; as far as I know, it has the same internals as the standard moto x, only the bootloader being unlockable is different. It's my understanding that Verzion phones come carrier unlocked, and the new ones (including the x) have gsm bands as well as cdma and LTE bands. My mexican (telcel) sim card shipped today so I should find out soon. These are the bands included in the verizon moto x:
Network: LTE, CDMA/1xEVDO Rev. A (800/1900 MHz)
LTE B13/4 700/1700
Global Network: EDGE/GSM (850/900/1800/1900), HSPA/UMTS( 850/900/1900/2100), HSDPA 42.2 Mbps (Category 20), HSUPA 5.76 Mbps
As long as your overseas carrier offers one of those you should be fine. Also, if you're about to buy, I'd hold off for a week if you can. I hear wood backs are coming to moto maker.
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Have you confirmed if it worked or not? I am thinking of sending a few to Honduras to run on Claro and it looks like they should be able to get nano sims there since Claro offers the iPhone 5S. They currently all have Droid 3 phones.
I've got an ATT Moto X, proparly unlocked; works fine in Europe, w/o any issues! Few ATT spamware (phonebook, backup) disabled, everything else is just fine pure Android experience. Got mine from Ebay.
Best to get the T-Mobile Moto X. Why is because it comes unlocked for GSM networks right out of the box and furthermore, it doesn't even have a carrier logo on the back.
I got one and its happily working fine in Malaysia with no network issues.
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I believe the T-Mobile one is the best global solution as xylencia mentioned, it comes carrier unlocked (not bootloader unlocked, as some confuse the difference). I just took my moto to Canada and got a nano Sim from telus, paid $30 for a month and its working great.
I moved away from Verizon because their phones don't work on any other network (unless things have changed recently)
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I believe the T-Mobile one is the best global solution as xylencia mentioned, it comes carrier unlocked (not bootloader unlocked, as some confuse the difference). I just took my moto to Canada and got a nano Sim from telus, paid $30 for a month and its working great.
I moved away from Verizon because their phones don't work on any other network (unless things have changed recently)
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Verizon LTE devices come sim unlocked for GSM carriers. It's part of an agreement with the FCC. You can use it stateside and globally.
T-Mobile or the Dev gsm is best for travel other than for Korea and Japan and even then you will have 3g
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Best to get the T-Mobile Moto X. Why is because it comes unlocked for GSM networks right out of the box and furthermore, it doesn't even have a carrier logo on the back.
I got one and its happily working fine in Malaysia with no network issues.
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Cool. Moreover, I actually used LiveChat with a Motorola rep and she confirmed that only T-Mobile's version comes carrier unlocked out of the box. Even though NO CONTRACT options are also available with the other carriers.
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Correct me if I am wrong, Europe uses 4G band 7 right? Which GSM Dev Moto X doesn't support.
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Correct me if I am wrong, Europe uses 4G band 7 right? Which GSM Dev Moto X doesn't support.
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You are right. Only XT1058 supports band 7
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You are right. Only XT1058 supports band 7
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That sucks. I am pretty sure T-Mobile S4 had band 7... ..I checked Nexus 5 also doesn't have it.
Well if u really need LTE on 2600, just buy the ATT version and have it unlocked by a third party. Probably cost u something like ten bucks.
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You are right. Only XT1058 supports band 7
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Now is not the only model at the moment. European Moto X (I don't know model number yet) supports band 7 too
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Well if u really need LTE on 2600, just buy the ATT version and have it unlocked by a third party. Probably cost u something like ten bucks.
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But ATT doesn't have 1700. All Motos missing something.....sucks
Hey all-ay a a silly question but what is the drawback of buying a US model of the moto X and using in the UK?
This may be me being stupid but they are loads cheaper on eBay and come in a dying colours
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Hey all-ay a a silly question but what is the drawback of buying a US model of the moto X and using in the UK?
This may be me being stupid but they are loads cheaper on eBay and come in a dying colours
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import tax only =))
using AT&T Moto x in Ireland, no probs! The only warning - don't take Sprint's one - you won't be able to unlock it, as it appeared to be pure CDMA device
Basically what okaban said. I'd see if you could get the GSM unlocked version (as called the T-Mobile version) but if there's an AT&T Moto X you really like you should be fine. If you see a Verizon one you like, I don't think you need to modify anything if you're not in the US. I know this was the case with my RAZR M (I had to unlock the radio for it to work in the US though).
markj1999 said:
Hey all-ay a a silly question but what is the drawback of buying a US model of the moto X and using in the UK?
This may be me being stupid but they are loads cheaper on eBay and come in a dying colours
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You can't have UK LTE bands on US phones: I think that LTE might be already a factor deserving consideration in the UK. In the UK you have 800/1800/2600 MHz and the only US model which supports at least 2600 is ATT. It might be better with Latin America models but I'm not sure.
If LTE is an issue for you, I would wait for the 32gb European model.
If it's not an issue for you, you would be ok with a ATT or the Dev Edition GSM version (which I have been using since Thursday in Ireland)
Tapatalked from my MotoX Dev Edition.
I have at&t moto x and it shows 4G sign in UK, so it must be working
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I have at&t moto x and it shows 4G sign in UK, so it must be working
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4G label is how Moto X shows HDSPA+ network connection.
Yep, I'm using a GSM DE (xt1053) in Spain and it shows "4G", where 3g+-only phones would display "H".
This is not LTE, and no US model will ever work on any European LTE (real 4G) network that I'm aware of regardless of whether or not you try flashing country-specific firmware. The LTE radios are physically different. LTE doesn't exist where I am so it's not a concern, but if you have access to an LTE signal then DEFINITELY spend the extra cash for your country-specific model.
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4G label is how Moto X shows HDSPA+ network connection.
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Not true....
I have an XT1058 in Chile, I get 4G as LTE.
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Not true....
I have an XT1058 in Chile, I get 4G as LTE.
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The US market is a little nuts so US phones show 4G for HSPA and 4GLTE for LTE connections. The rest of the world(most of it anyway) shows the proper protocol for the connection type. (H, LTE etc)
Can someone please confirm with a screen shot that the Developer Edition of the Moto X has band 4 LTE AWS support for VERIZON. The only reason I did not purchase a Dev Edition of the Moto X is because I contacted Moto (after scouring the Internet for specs, Dev Edition says 750 Mhz LTE ) support and they specifically told me Verizon Dev Edition doesn't support AWS Band 4 for verizon.
Thanks.
Well, when I put my T-Mobile SIM in, I get LTE. Since T-Mobile uses Band 4, and not Band 13, that would imply the Verizon Moto X supports Band 4 LTE.
But T-Mobile or Verizon sim installed in the phone, it never reports Band 13 or Band 4 when connected to LTE.
AWS Dev Edition.
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Well, when I put my T-Mobile SIM in, I get LTE. Since T-Mobile uses Band 4, and not Band 13, that would imply the Verizon Moto X supports Band 4 LTE.
But T-Mobile or Verizon sim installed in the phone, it
never reports Band 13 or Band 4 when connected to LTE.
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Yeah I've seen other reports of this. I was looking for proof from someone in a big city with Verizon's AWS network enabled to show me some really fast speed on a Verizon network.
Thanks for the reply though.
Does this help? Done the other night sitting in my living room... near Thorndale, PA... its not a big city, but its not bad.
And remember, just like with Band 13, there could be congestion on Band 4 LTE.. So don't expect speeds to always be this high... especially since AWS is 1700/2100Mhz so in building and such is not as good, and signal doesn't travel as from from the towers when compared to Band 4.
Oh, and here is a shot with my T-Mobile sim in my Verizon X. If the phone didn't support Band 4 I wouldn't get LTE on T-Mobile.
I've done speed tests on my dev x and at the same time ran a speed test on my wife's s3. I know the area has aws since my s4 showed I was connected to it. On the x I got about 70 mbps and on the s3 about 10 mbps. Aws is definitely supported on this phone.
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Does this help? Done the other night sitting in my living room... near Thorndale, PA... its not a big city, but its not bad.
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Hey, my former boss lives in Thorndale and I used to work in Downingtown. Small world.
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Hey, my former boss lives in Thorndale and I used to work in Downingtown. Small world.
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Yes. Very small. I live about 2 miles from the Thorndale SEPTA station.. Its called Romansville, but no one has heard of it, and we use Coatesville post office but thankfully that is all of coatesville we use!!
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Yes. Very small. I live about 2 miles from the Thorndale SEPTA station.. Its called Romansville, but no one has heard of it, and we use Coatesville post office but thankfully that is all of coatesville we use!!
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I dated a girl from Coatsville, hahaha. Ok, enough off-topic from me.
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Why would they put a chip in with different radio compatibility when all that is really different underneath is the bootloader?
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imnuts said:
Why would they put a chip in with different radio compatibility when all that is really different underneath is the bootloader?
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It's verizon. They disable things.
dmiramon said:
It's verizon. They disable things.
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Verizon didn't make the phone, Motorola did. If they put a different radio chip in, they'd have to pay for FCC testing/approval/certification on two devices, one of which is going to be a low sales model. Do you really think they'd offer it if they had to spend well over what they'd ever hope to make back for it?
I guess you knew this question was coming . Can the people with Off contract Verizon s6 edge try to see if their phone works with other providers e.g AT&T ? I have heard/read that previous verizon phones like NOTE 3/4 worked on AT&T, but the LTE DATA was not supported. It only did HSPA+.
I know I will need to get the Verizon full price i.e off contract phone. If it does then s6 edge 64GB, turns out to be $115 cheaper compared to buying it from other places.
Anyone ?
Most times Verizon phones won't get lte on att. Just hspa+
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As poster above said.
Almost all Verizon phones will not get LTE with AT&T or T-mobile.
And didn't Sprint or T-mobile have the cheapest at full price?
I used a Verizon s4 and a Verizon note 2 on T mobile for over a year.
Verizon phones will work perfectly fine with GSM carriers, they have and utilize the GSM LTE bands just fine. In the beginning I had connection issues but Verizon radio updates opened it all up within a month or so of the LTE bands being opened for GSM use.
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i just got rid of my Verizon Droid Turbo, which i was using with at&t, and it got LTE.
all newer Verizon phones are GSM unlocked. by newer i say like 2013+ i believe.
True, but AT&T's HSDPA+ is often times faster than Verizon's LTE at least in my market.