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Data Caps - It's Only Going to Get Worse

For all you folks complaining about AT&T capping your download speeds, it appears it's only going to get worse. The federal government so far has not made any progress toward getting additional spectrum available, forcing carriers to make do with what they've got. As the article in the link below notes, "Ultimately, carriers will have to get more creative about how they use their existing spectrum, which will likely result in stricter caps on usage. Consumers who use more data will likely be charged higher prices for that data."
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-57379526-266/how-politics-inflame-the-spectrum-crisis/?tag=nl.e404
In the short run, you might jump to another carrier, but in the long run, it could get worse for everyone. Lightsquare has been effectively stopped (for now) from building a new wireless network because of the potential for interfering with GPS signals. AT&T has been stopped from acquiring T-Mobile which would have given AT&T more spectrum.
So, as bad as things seem now, this may be the best that they will be.
PS: Also see this article:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...-suffer/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

The FCC really needs to figure out how they are going to auction off the spectrum. Also, the whole ATT/T-mobile merger should have gone through. ATT is the only company that is compatible with T-mobile's equipment and can afford them.

rft3ch said:
The FCC really needs to figure out how they are going to auction off the spectrum. Also, the whole ATT/T-mobile merger should have gone through. ATT is the only company that is compatible with T-mobile's equipment and can afford them.
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it was cited that the decrees in competition would hurt every one and the loss of high paying jobs was to great

Aww that's bull does the fed gov have contract with Verizon or somethin? Coz a merger like that would surely put them out of commission
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Cingular. Aka ma bell was broken up before for having a monopoly. Monopolies are bad for consumers, if any of you have graduated high school you should know this. Cingular has thus bought all tel, at&t, and now wants t-mobile. Creating another monopoly would not net us any better prices.
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Verizon bought alltel

So your saying Verizon is At&ts only competition ??? Lol
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Cingular. Aka ma bell was broken up before for having a monopoly. Monopolies are bad for consumers, if any of you have graduated high school you should know this. Cingular has thus bought all tel, at&t, and now wants t-mobile. Creating another monopoly would not net us any better prices.
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Cingular was not Ma Bell, it was a seperate company that purchased the failing wireless portion of At&t. Which was then purchased back by att, which wad really a rebranded SBC
Also Verizon purchased Alltel.
Good story though.
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How does the merger or buy out of T-Mobile from AT&T help the consumer in any sense? Less companies out there competing, the higher your prices are gonna be, simple as that. If verizon goes, all those consumers have to go somewhere....

PakAttack1994 said:
How does the merger or buy out of T-Mobile from AT&T help the consumer in any sense? Less companies out there competing, the higher your prices are gonna be, simple as that. If verizon goes, all those consumers have to go somewhere....
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One reason AT&T wanted to buy T-Mobile was to use its network to more rapidly expand its LTE network. Also, the two systems are compatible in some ways, making a transition easier.
As to competition as a way hold down prices, the major carriers (AT&T and Versizon) already control most of the market with T-Mobile and Sprint dividing a much smaller portion. Price comparisons I've seen usuaally show Verizon higher than AT&T for similar plans.
The main point I was making in the original post was that prices are likely to rise for all carriers in the long run as demand increases faster than the ability of the government and the carriers to provide adequate spectrum. The main concern should not be how many carriers there are, but whether the carriers (2 or 20) can meet the growing demand for high-speed services.

You got me about all tel, its another company I can't quite get off the tip of my tongue. Anyway.
Yes Verizon is the only real completion at&t has, tmo and sprint are too small. AT&T wireless was formed by by AT&T
AT&T wireless was doing so well they split into their own company. Sbc acquired Cingular which. At&t & Cingular were the two major companies in competition with Verizon but norther had the customer base alone to match Verizon.
Cingular bought at&t wireless and sbc bought at&t landline. Owning the rights to the name now Cingular and sbc changed their name to at&t thus gaining the same or a little more customers over Verizon. Sbc and at&t came to be when ma bell was forced to split due to monopoly.
Gobbling up the missing prices of ma bell and some small stragglers is creating another monopoly.
Just like the cable companies in many areas. There is only one and they raise there prices almost every other month. Only competition its satellite that forces you to sign contacts.
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This is why I'm glad the Tmobile merger was stopped or else things would've only gotten worse. The Government actually needs to break up Verizon and AT&T now since they are too big as it is and doing price fixing with each other.

NIKKG said:
This is why I'm glad the Tmobile merger was stopped or else things would've only gotten worse. The Government actually needs to break up Verizon and AT&T now since they are too big as it is and doing price fixing with each other.
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However, that does not really address the basic issue here -- as data usage grows with more people using more wireless devices, the available spectrum/band-width (as it exists now) probably will not be able to keep up with the demand.
Economics 101: when demand exceeds supply, prices go up. Increasing the number of companies selling wireless service will not necessarily increase the amount of bandwidth available.
My point, is that the government, which ultimately controls wireless frequencies, has not acted in a timely manner to address the issue (with the exception of stopping a company that wanted to add more bandwidth).

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Very interesting article

Australia is just as bad with a lazy government. This NBN (National Broadband Network) appears to be nothing more than a spin from the Labor government, which can be an example of people who use lots of data suffering at the hands of lazy morons who really have no excuse for it.
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I feel sorry for those on AT&T's old unlimited plan who are getting throttled.
Capping plans appears to only benefit the carrier as they make millions off those who go over the capped amount.
I used 2GB in a two days on Telstra's 4G network.

So AT&T tries to buy T-mobile for $35 BILLION, but cant afford to upgrade their network. What a bunch of ****.
How can I see if Im getting throttled? I can do a speed test and get a good speed, but browsing is slow.

Telstra is looking to shaping customer when they go over their limit in a couple of months. This was announced last year. As per existing solution it will Text you when you are near the cap. I beleive that once you are capped you can purchase once off topups.
So examples are:
$49 Plan gives 1G for month, with $450 for Voice SMS
$59 gives 1.5G with $550 for Voice (free SMS /MMS)
etc
Once the shapping solution is deployed you can:
1. Not spend any more and manage to how much data you have for the month.
2. Purchase a once off data top up .
$10 = 1 Gig
$20 = 2 Gig
etc
3. Move to a offer that provide more data each month
Once implemented there will no longer be bill shock. You can then choose eactly how much you spend on data.

so when will they do this for home internet.. haha

In Australia Fixed broadband for Telstra has been capped for several years for consumer plans. So no bill shock possible on Fixed data.
As per previous post need to wait a couple more months until this capping is available for Mobiles. Then bill shock will be removed for fixed.
I don't beleive any smart long term techo believes Bill shock generates revenue it just drives loyal customers away, that might choose to use them for the next 30 years.

sprint HTC One unlocked for straight Talk (AT&T)

Is it possable to unlock my sprint HTC to be used on straight talk (AT&T) SIM?
If possable could would I be able to get LTE or HSPA+ data?
Currently I'm only able to get 3G speed on my HTC One as sprint has no LTE in Vegas.
AT&T LTE is everywhere here in Vegas & has service at my house. I only get one bar if service at my house with sprint.
Please let me know if it's possible.

salsa88 said:
Is it possable to unlock my sprint HTC to be used on straight talk (AT&T) SIM?
If possable could would I be able to get LTE or HSPA+ data?
Currently I'm only able to get 3G speed on my HTC One as sprint has no LTE in Vegas.
AT&T LTE is everywhere here in Vegas & has service at my house. I only get one bar if service at my house with sprint.
Please let me know if it's possible.
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It is not possible.
Also, even if somehow the phone could be unlocked for AT&T use, it would likely perform very poorly as a smartphone because it doesn't support any of AT&T's LTE bands, nor UMTS/HSPA+ 850 which is also a very important band with AT&T.
Plus, I don't believe that AT&T allows LTE use on any of the third party MVNOs that use it.

myphone12345 said:
It is not possible.
Also, even if somehow the phone could be unlocked for AT&T use, it would likely perform very poorly as a smartphone because it doesn't support any of AT&T's LTE bands, nor UMTS/HSPA+ 850 which is also a very important band with AT&T.
Plus, I don't believe that AT&T allows LTE use on any of the third party MVNOs that use it.
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Thank you great info.
my last question is would I be able to switch to MetroPcs
They offer unlimited LTE in las Vegas

salsa88 said:
Thank you great info.
my last question is would I be able to switch to MetroPcs
They offer unlimited LTE in las Vegas
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I believe I have seen someone say they were able to flash their ONE to Metro PCS. Don't know how, but that should be possible.

salsa88 said:
Thank you great info.
my last question is would I be able to switch to MetroPcs
They offer unlimited LTE in las Vegas
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Metro's LTE band is in the 1700MHz (AWS) band which is not supported by the Sprint HTC One.
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I believe I have seen someone say they were able to flash their ONE to Metro PCS. Don't know how, but that should be possible.
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Yes but only with slow CDMA 3G (which will be going away eventually anyway as part of the TMO merger).

Hmm looks like my options of LTE on my HTC one is not looking very good..
any options to get LTE on my HTC One?

salsa88 said:
Hmm looks like my options of LTE on my HTC one is not looking very good..
any options to get LTE on my HTC One?
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No lte in Vegas? Up until a certain point, not let in los Angeles as well while places in the middle on Arkansas has it.
I don't understand how Sprint prioritizes their markets
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finalhit said:
No lte in Vegas? Up until a certain point, not let in los Angeles as well while places in the middle on Arkansas has it.
I don't understand how Sprint prioritizes their markets
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It's not hard to understand, actually, so long as you look at it from Sprint's market perspective and not from the "why don't I have it?" perspective. Not to ding you or anything, but people are very good at rationalizing reasons they've been wronged, especially when money (the $10/mo surcharge) is involved.
Sprint is targeting areas with relatively low LTE deployment/development, which usually means more out of the way areas and suburbs because until/unless the Softbank merger goes through, they don't really have the capital or spectrum to compete with AT&T or Verizon in LTE buildout. They've been using their money (very wisely, I might add) in retiring their IDEN equipment so that they can refarm spectrum, but until then, they're going to concentrate on markets they can bring LTE to cheaply and semi-exclusively, so as to snag those customers.

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It's not hard to understand, actually, so long as you look at it from Sprint's market perspective and not from the "why don't I have it?" perspective. Not to ding you or anything, but people are very good at rationalizing reasons they've been wronged, especially when money (the $10/mo surcharge) is involved.
Sprint is targeting areas with relatively low LTE deployment/development, which usually means more out of the way areas and suburbs because until/unless the Softbank merger goes through, they don't really have the capital or spectrum to compete with AT&T or Verizon in LTE buildout. They've been using their money (very wisely, I might add) in retiring their IDEN equipment so that they can refarm spectrum, but until then, they're going to concentrate on markets they can bring LTE to cheaply and semi-exclusively, so as to snag those customers.
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Not sure much much of this makes sense. There's basically 4 carriers and Verizon and AT&T has launched in most of them so I don't known what you mean by semi-exclusively. Being third in a 4 man race is nothing special.
There is a reason smaller markets are cheap...it's because they are small. It's not necessarily the best move to invest in the cheapest market...especially if it's as you say, at the cost of larger markets.
I doubt Sprint is retiring it's iden network without immediate plans to replace it. This is like throwing out your hammer in anticipation of buying another one next year.
I don't know why Sprint does what it's does but a lot of what you said seems to be wild conjecture
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Not sure much much of this makes sense. There's basically 4 carriers and Verizon and AT&T has launched in most of them so I don't known what you mean by semi-exclusively. Being third in a 4 man race is nothing special.
There is a reason smaller markets are cheap...it's because they are small. It's not necessarily the best move to invest in the cheapest market...especially if it's as you say, at the cost of larger markets.
I doubt Sprint is retiring it's iden network without immediate plans to replace it. This is like throwing out your hammer in anticipation of buying another one next year.
I don't know why Sprint does what it's does but a lot of what you said seems to be wild conjecture
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No offense, but a lot of what you're saying betrays both unfamiliarity with basic economics and technology.
Sprint is targeting areas where they can build out coverage cheaply, and with towers close to markets that, if they have service at all, are from more distant towers provided by AT&T and Verizon. Cost of tower rent and leasing is key, because if you try to build out a larger market, you will not only be behind two major competitors, but spend a significant amount of money to still be behind. It's harder to break into a market where other carriers have devoted a significant amount of resources to, as opposed to one that's more on the margins.
"At the cost of larger markets" also betrays a fixation on longterm, endgame planning. Sprint, right now, is investing a significant amount of money in IDEN teardown and LTE buildout. They have limited cash reserves as a result of both, and until/if the Softbank merger goes through, they're not really looking in a cash infusion anytime soon. They need to get more people and more plans in the door, and the way to expand reach is to target less-solidified markets. Once they have those, they can try for the cities.
It's your comment on IDEN that really has me baffled. Did you even do a cursory search as to what IDEN is? IDEN is older network technology that used to power Nextel's network, and after the Sprint/Nextel merger, Sprint continued to maintain an entirely separate telephony system that, at most, provided patchy extended coverage for its CDMA devices. Meanwhile, the old IDEN equipment continues to hog spectrum that Sprint needs to build out its coverage.
The silliest thing about all of this is your last point: "why would they shut this down without planning to replace it?" Sprint's entire current network is meant to be a replacement for IDEN...and the IDEN shutdown isn't exactly new news. Sprint (http://newsroom.sprint.com/news-rel...-network-on-schedule-to-shut-down-june-30.htm) has been planning this for almost the last year and a half.
That info is seriously one Google search away.

Rirere said:
No offense, but a lot of what you're saying betrays both unfamiliarity with basic economics and technology.
Sprint is targeting areas where they can build out coverage cheaply, and with towers close to markets that, if they have service at all, are from more distant towers provided by AT&T and Verizon. Cost of tower rent and leasing is key, because if you try to build out a larger market, you will not only be behind two major competitors, but spend a significant amount of money to still be behind. It's harder to break into a market where other carriers have devoted a significant amount of resources to, as opposed to one that's more on the margins.
"At the cost of larger markets" also betrays a fixation on longterm, endgame planning. Sprint, right now, is investing a significant amount of money in IDEN teardown and LTE buildout. They have limited cash reserves as a result of both, and until/if the Softbank merger goes through, they're not really looking in a cash infusion anytime soon. They need to get more people and more plans in the door, and the way to expand reach is to target less-solidified markets. Once they have those, they can try for the cities.
It's your comment on IDEN that really has me baffled. Did you even do a cursory search as to what IDEN is? IDEN is older network technology that used to power Nextel's network, and after the Sprint/Nextel merger, Sprint continued to maintain an entirely separate telephony system that, at most, provided patchy extended coverage for its CDMA devices. Meanwhile, the old IDEN equipment continues to hog spectrum that Sprint needs to build out its coverage.
The silliest thing about all of this is your last point: "why would they shut this down without planning to replace it?" Sprint's entire current network is meant to be a replacement for IDEN...and the IDEN shutdown isn't exactly new news. Sprint (http://newsroom.sprint.com/news-rel...-network-on-schedule-to-shut-down-june-30.htm) has been planning this for almost the last year and a half.
That info is seriously one Google search away.
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No offence but your statements betrays the facts, and misrepresents what I actually said.
Sprint already have towers in L.A. metro area. In fact L.A. has lte now...before the merger. Spirit has towers in Vegas, and is deploying lte there now... so there goes your theory?
Sprint is not new to these markets. They already have infrastructure here. The cost/benefit ratio in deploying in these markets makes much more business sense.
I know about IDEN. Notice my statement "tear it down without replacing it immediately"...my point was, they DO intend to replace it. An act they have committed to..Not contingent on a merger that may or may not happen. Sprint has been planning on doing this before the merger was even an option. A simple Google search would tell you this.
Not so sure why you act so all knowing. You're as oblivious to sprints plans as me or anyone else.
I apologize for betraying my unfamiliarity with both basic technology and economics.
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Further research shows that Sprint does not launch lte in markets until it's his a certain percentage of deployment (50ish). So larger markets take longer to deploy
So there you go.
Again, my apologies for betraying my unfamiliarity with both technology and basic economics.
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T-Mobile Being Aggressive Here...

http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/10/...imited-global-data-roaming-at-no-extra-charge
Look at that... What do hmu guys think?
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I should have bought an unlocked phone grabbed a tmo SIM and be on my marry a$$ way instead of dealing with this dinosaur spead 3g ....golly ...good grief!!
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this is awesome, hopefully sprint catches on and does something similar. Sprints international rates are atrocious! Although the One does have removable SIM capabilities, it would cut down the hassle of acquiring one in a different country and possibly having to cut it to microsim specs.

I regret my decision of staying with sprint every day. It takes me over 2 minutes to do a simple Google search on sprints network in my area that is supposedly in an LTE zone. The network is atrocious and they keep saying theyre upgrading the towers but it's been almost a year and if anything it's only gotten worse. The only thing that stopped me from going to T-Mobile was their terrible coverage in Michigan. Here's hoping this announcement gets Sprint moving to finally deploying a data network that is usable.

This is awesome, not because it makes me wanna switch to T-Mobile, but because it makes other carriers have to step up their game to compete on a level playing field

I for one like sprint. Except when I have 3g. Then it just plain sucks. Thankfully I have LTE almost everywhere

You do know that sprint may buy out T-Mobile
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Somebody should leak T-Mobile
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Somebody should leak T-Mobile
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Haha that my friend is the quote of the day !!!
Haha good job
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Tmobile is great haha just switched over and still using my sprint HTC one highest I've seen on speedtest is 6.9 mb/s Download keep in mind this is 3G
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How the Hell did T-Mobile beat sprint I'm the LTE ROLLOUT?! SERIOUSLY
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CNexus said:
This is awesome, not because it makes me wanna switch to T-Mobile, but because it makes other carriers have to step up their game to compete on a level playing field
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^^^^this^^^^
Look at what happened when the $5 hot and ready pizza came out. Everybody changed pricing or menu items to become more competitive... :thumbup:
Or fast food 'value' menu's, suddenly every fast food chain had one...
Or 60 second abs, soon it only took 45 seconds!
Kudos to T-Mobile for doing something new.

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How the Hell did T-Mobile beat sprint I'm the LTE ROLLOUT?! SERIOUSLY
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Someone should leak LTE for sprint
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Haha omg ^^^^ this guy good
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Coverage needs improvement but I get good speeds
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Damn you Sprint!!! All I want is LTE....is that too much to ask?
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You do know that sprint may buy out T-Mobile
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This is not going to happen. T mobile is on a roll. There network is better. There plans are better and there upgrade plan is better. They are taking the other threes customers daily. They are going to surpass sprint very quickly if they haven't and their lte coverage has already surpassed sprint. Sprint still doesn't care and sprints lte network as a whole is terrible. Yeah some people post some big speeds but for the most part most of us are not impressed. If t mobile has the monetary status to roll out their lte network like this so does sprint. T mobile was almost dead a year and a half ago. Sprint put in an lte network to say they are lte. Nothing more. Sorry sprint. T mobile has +42 hspa and lte. Why are we still here? Contract up in June and I'll bet t mobile has lte before sprint where I live so this is my last with sprint. End RANT!
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treIII said:
This is not going to happen. T mobile is on a roll. There network is better. There plans are better and there upgrade plan is better. They are taking the other threes customers daily. They are going to surpass sprint very quickly if they haven't and their lte coverage has already surpassed sprint. Sprint still doesn't care and sprints lte network as a whole is terrible. Yeah some people post some big speeds but for the most part most of us are not impressed. If t mobile has the monetary status to roll out their lte network like this so does sprint. T mobile was almost dead a year and a half ago. Sprint put in an lte network to say they are lte. Nothing more. Sorry sprint. T mobile has +42 hspa and lte. Why are we still here? Contract up in June and I'll bet t mobile has lte before sprint where I live so this is my last with sprint. End RANT!
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What T-Mobile is doing for pricing and their offering is amazing. I really hope it spurs some real price competition from Sprint. Their 3G coverage in my area is total crap though, EDGE only in all of Bristol TN/VA and pretty much the entire areas around Johnson City and Kingsport. My biggest beef with T-Mobile is trust though. How do you trust a carrier that tried to sell their customer's out to the death star (AT&T)?
I do think Sprint is going to continue bleeding customers to T-Mobile unless they can do this:
-Provide some kind of similar free throttled international data, at the very least to Canada and Mexico.
-Go "no contract"
-Add sites to fix terrible 1900MHz LTE coverage in many areas where all their current towers have been upgraded but coverage still sucks, or hurry up on the tri-band phones and rollout of 800MHz LTE
-Lower the prices a bit
-Family plan price changes. Sprint's family plans are the worst deal out of the 4 carriers, and it's hard to make a worse deal than Verizon.
-Wifi calling on their phones would be better than the Airave program that I know costs Sprint lots of money
Basically, if Sprint would copy a lot of T-Mobile's ideas and fix serious issues with their LTE rollout, they'd be in a much better position. Sprint customer service is already better than T-Mobile, and that's pretty much the only selling point compared to T-Mobile besides superior non-LTE coverage. If things don't change soon, those selling points may become moot.

kwolf said:
What T-Mobile is doing for pricing and their offering is amazing. I really hope it spurs some real price competition from Sprint. Their 3G coverage in my area is total crap though, EDGE only in all of Bristol TN/VA and pretty much the entire areas around Johnson City and Kingsport. My biggest beef with T-Mobile is trust though. How do you trust a carrier that tried to sell their customer's out to the death star (AT&T)?
I do think Sprint is going to continue bleeding customers to T-Mobile unless they can do this:
-Provide some kind of similar free throttled international data, at the very least to Canada and Mexico.
-Go "no contract"
-Add sites to fix terrible 1900MHz LTE coverage in many areas where all their current towers have been upgraded but coverage still sucks, or hurry up on the tri-band phones and rollout of 800MHz LTE
-Lower the prices a bit
-Family plan price changes. Sprint's family plans are the worst deal out of the 4 carriers, and it's hard to make a worse deal than Verizon.
-Wifi calling on their phones would be better than the Airave program that I know costs Sprint lots of money
Basically, if Sprint would copy a lot of T-Mobile's ideas and fix serious issues with their LTE rollout, they'd be in a much better position. Sprint customer service is already better than T-Mobile, and that's pretty much the only selling point compared to T-Mobile besides superior non-LTE coverage. If things don't change soon, those selling points may become moot.
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If their service was better in the first place. We wouldn't need it so much. So as for this being a selling point. No good. T mobile has already surpassed sprint in their lte rollout. And at the pace they are moving they are definitely putting improvements from monetary gains immediately back in the company. It won't be long at this pace and the approach they have in winning customers that they will continue to move quickly in their customer gains and ranking. Their lte just came second to att and beat att in 20 markets. Sprint is doing nothing but putting lte on existing towers. Therefore until they actuall will not improve coverage but just provide lte when we are close enough to a tower. Softbanks acquisition of sprint hasn't showed any improvements of the speed of deployment of lte. We already have the networks vision implemented where I live and there is honestly no improvement in call quality nor 3g speeds other than once in a while. I live 1.6 miles from a tower that has the netwot vision improvements and I have to use an airrave. Makes my stomach turn honestly. I've asked them why I need the airrave. The tower is literally on my street and I can't make a call from home without the airrave. T mobile has made improvements where I live and many people I know have moved from sprint to tmobile.
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treIII said:
If their service was better in the first place. We wouldn't need it so much. So as for this being a selling point. No good. T mobile has already surpassed sprint in their lte rollout. And at the pace they are moving they are definitely putting improvements from monetary gains immediately back in the company. It won't be long at this pace and the approach they have in winning customers that they will continue to move quickly in their customer gains and ranking. Their lte just came second to att and beat att in 20 markets. Sprint is doing nothing but putting lte on existing towers. Therefore until they actuall will not improve coverage but just provide lte when we are close enough to a tower. Softbanks acquisition of sprint hasn't showed any improvements of the speed of deployment of lte. We already have the networks vision implemented where I live and there is honestly no improvement in call quality nor 3g speeds other than once in a while. I live 1.6 miles from a tower that has the netwot vision improvements and I have to use an airrave. Makes my stomach turn honestly. I've asked them why I need the airrave. The tower is literally on my street and I can't make a call from home without the airrave. T mobile has made improvements where I live and many people I know have moved from sprint to tmobile.
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I live 3/4 of a mile from a tower and only get 1-2 bars inside without the Airave. I feel your pain. My T-Mobile friends cannot use their phones in my house at all unless they switch it to Wi-Fi calling.
T-Mobile is an absolute joke in this rural area. Right now they're only a serious option in cities, and nothing has changed regarding their coverage in my area or surrounding areas, so I have no reason to suspect this will change. Sprint has 3G all along I-81 even in rural southwest VA, whereas T-Mobile has only EDGE in SWVA for 3 hours from the state line, and they have only EDGE between the Tri Cities and Knoxville. Sprint has also added LTE to much of this area, for example the Greeneville, TN and Bristol, TN/VA markets have LTE from Sprint but only Edge from T-Mobile. T-Mobile LTE has not touched any region within 3 hours of me besides Asheville NC. My friend just drove up to Athens, OH on T-Mobile and was roaming for 5 hours of the 7 hour drive because T-Mobile has crap rural coverage. There is Sprint 3G coverage on that entire drive and 4G for the first hour.
If you live in a city T-Mobile may be great for you, but it's still not an option for most rural or semi-rural people.

Verizon Nexus 5 Kickstarter [We Need a Developer!]

As a Verizon User, I was so ready for the Nexus 5 to come out on Verizon and when it didn't, yet the hardware supported it, I knew there had to be a way to get this device to run on Verizon's Network. So, naturally I looked around on Forums and such and here is what we know right now:
- The WTR1625L Built by Qualcomm (The Same chip in the G2) Does in fact have hardware support for Verizon
- The Nexus 5 DOES recognize Verizon as a network and has even allowed some users to browse on Band 4 LTE Shown here
(http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2505847&page=32)
- CDMA Voice and Band 13 Currently do not work (As Expected)
- A User named Ken GS4 over on the Google Forums here, was in fact able to have his Nexus 5's IMEI registered and active inside of Verizon's Database, and then theoretically, should "Activate". Now, Ken has stated that the phone would not work on CDMA or Band 13 however he does not live in a band 4 area and was unable to check on that
(http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/nexus/Jv9FAwucMWM/7pIfTKxY5yUJ)
- Additionally, Ken had stated that the Verizon Wireless employees told him that on their end everything checked out and so, it had to be something in the Firmware that would be blocking it
- Some users on this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2505847 have attempted flashing the LG G2 Radios at no avail, so unless those files are heavily modded in order to allow the Nexus 5 to turn on without a boot loop, that solution is out.
So, It looks as though all of us Verizon Users need a developer to look deep into the code, find what is blocking the Verizon network, and create a flashable zip which could remedy the solution and allow the WTR1625L to work as it does in the G2 but without any blockage. Now, developers, as we know, are busy and need to put food on the table. So, I propose we start a kickstarter/IndieGogo Campaign, along with a WILLING DEVELOPER, and have all of us Verizon users put our money where our mouths are. We would need to raise enough money to get a Developer a Nexus 5, and enough for a Verizon plan for at least a month, along with some extra cash to allow him/her to have payment for completing this incredibly large task. So, We are calling out to you, THE DEVELOPERS, to contact me so I can create a kickstarter/indiegogo campaign in your name, so that you can raise enough money to help all of us Get This Phone working on Big Red!!!

Screw Verizon. I left them after 5 years of sh!tty droid phones. I even had grandfathered unlimited data.

N5->VZW=Headache
Solution :
Sell N5 + Buy VZW G2=No Headache
Just sayin....
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Nexus will never "officially" be on Verizon again
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As much as I HATE to say this, I don't think it will ever work.

It will probably never happen I was with VZW for 10 years and I just switched to att and its been so much better just get out if u can.
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If Verizon wanted the phone on their network they would have made a deal with LG/Google to do so legally. It seems to me an attempt to hack software to allow a phone to operate on a private company's bandwidth smacks of being illegal. If they wanted it, it would already be there. If you love the phone, take it where it works. If you live VZW, then pick something in their product line.
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As much as I HATE to say this, I don't think it will ever work.
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And THIS is the reason I am switching to T-Mo next month after 15 years with VZW. The GNex debacle was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Can't wait to have a REAL Nexus.

sorry verizon people, your just going to have to accept that verizon will not ever get a nexus device, due to how they handled the galaxy nexus. And they shouldnt after that.(

I left verizon & unlimited data about a month & a half ago. Sure, I hated to lose unlimited data. But, I wanted the N5. Sometimes you have to make hard decisions. Give up the good fight with verizon, you will not prevail. Leave as soon as you can if you can have good service with another provider.

um, WTR1625L is the transceiver. there are other components that need to be compatible (modem which is inside the snapdragon 800 chip, antennas)
you probably need to modify modem as well.... good luck finding the source code (FCC regulates the baseband) or hacking it

I'm gone from Verizon too. Have only found one place where I get no signal on tmo and in fact have a better signal in my office than I ever did on vzw. To the poster above, why would you lose unlimited? I'm on prepaid unlimited everything. Don't miss vzw too much. They won't legally allow a true nexus on their network any time soon so if you want a nexus you better be prepared to leave big red...
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A lot of people don't seem to understand that Verizon throttles people's bandwith once they hit a certain limit on their data. It's still unlimited, but you'll be getting it a lot slower eventually if you use a lot of data. The same goes with any "unlimited" data plan from prepaid carriers these days, you typically pay for a certain amount of data at "full 4G/LTE speeds" and then once you hit that limit, you get throttled down to a slower download and upload rate.
I'm on Aio Wireless and get 8+/- mbps on LTE (They cap you at 8mbps on LTE), but once I hit my limit, I go to 256kbps which is still plenty fast enough to surf the web. You're not going to stream netflix in HD off of that little bandwith, but for many people it'll do the job just fine for facebook, surfing the web, checking emails, etc.
I left Verizon a year ago, and I'll never go back to them ever. Even if they lowered their prices to be competitive with T-Mobile or other prepaid carriers, it's not worth their bloatware loaded phones, cdma network, or software update timeline.

Verizon will never get a nexus. Nor do they deserve one. They hold off updates etc. And that's not what a nexus is about. I had unlimited data on Verizon. And was with then for 10+ years. Sold my **** and left. Got straight talk using att towers. It's been a month and I'm much better off.
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A bit of an analogous story, I bought an HP touchpad during the firesale and the community back then was so hellbent on getting android to work on the HP tablet because the native webos was a dying ecosystem. Lo and behold a bunch of developers actually managed to get Android onto the HP touchpad but it didn't run very well because the touchpad's hardware wasn't optimized for android to begin with. It was a crappy, unstable experience.
Alot of credit and Kudos go to the developers who made this possible, however. Those guys were amazing but the long and short of it is that you're going to be making a huge effort to get a subpar experience. If you can't break from the Verizon network, you might as well just get something which is officially supported or naively runs on the Verizon network.
TLR you're putting a bunch of effort in achieving a subpar experience at best.

Just leave Verizon. They charge way too much and have crap phones. Jump ship to T-Mobile or att
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Jesus people just don't understand. it's technically just not feasible to use it on Verizon.
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I left verizon for ATT and am not looking back. I used to love verizon becuase of the great service but ATT has the same if not better service. I even left with a corporate discount and unlimited data. The Nexus 5 was just worth it.

Another one here that left a corporate discount and grandfathered unlimited data just to have an unadulterated Android experience with the Nexus 5. I miss the unlimited 4G and that there were more LTE towers for verizon in my area but it was a sacrifice I had to make. Saves me some $$ in the long run and I have a much better phone because of it.

why do people insist that this is possible? it's not going to work, just move on to another carrier.

Goodbye T-Mobile and Sprint. Hello Softbank USA!

I figured I'd post this here
http://pocketnow.com/2014/06/07/softbank-usa
As John Legere, the future CEO of Softbank USA has said, Uncarrier is here to stay!
I hope this means that I get Tri-Band on my Nexus 5!
-A T-Mobile Customer.

I have no problem with this even though my Sero plan will probably be going away as long as Dan Hesse gets canned and John Legere takes control with the TMO way of doing business.

this sounds awesome

Not a big fan of the name. SoftBank USA sounds more of a bank name than a carrier name.

zephiK said:
Not a big fan of the name. SoftBank USA sounds more of a bank name than a carrier name.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftBank
SoftBank is a Japanese telecommunications company who owns Sprint and soon T-Mobile.

I hope they keep unlimited data.
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Hope they merge to a all GSM network, instead of a hodgepodge of all the different tech used by Sprint and T-Mo.
Wouldn't the logical and smart name for the company be SprinT-Mobile?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftBank
SoftBank is a Japanese telecommunications company who owns Sprint and soon T-Mobile.
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I'm aware of what soft bank is.. I was saying that I'm not the biggest fan of the name because it sounds like a bank more than a carrier name.
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Seriously, what does this mean for us N5 users? With the addition of Sprint Spark, the N5 can connect to literally EVERY band both companies have, 3G, HSPA+, T-Mo LTE, Sprint Band 25/26/41 LTE, etc...Will SoftBank issue new SIMs to utilize both networks? They might consolidate into GSM, but Sprint Spark is significantly more advanced then HSPA+/T-Mo LTE, and I think that they'd want to utilize that...Either way, should be interesting...

Koopa777 said:
Seriously, what does this mean for us N5 users? With the addition of Sprint Spark, the N5 can connect to literally EVERY band both companies have, 3G, HSPA+, T-Mo LTE, Sprint Band 25/26/41 LTE, etc...Will SoftBank issue new SIMs to utilize both networks? They might consolidate into GSM, but Sprint Spark is significantly more advanced then HSPA+/T-Mo LTE, and I think that they'd want to utilize that...Either way, should be interesting...
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T-Mobile also has 20x20 LTE which is pretty fast. They're most likely going to go to VoLTE route.

in the end i dont really see a down side to any of this. just really hope they dont do away with unlimited data.

May the Mobile Data Gods be with us!
If you don't see a downside to this, you have never been on Sprint (lucky you). The absolute worst network has been hemorrhaging customers for quite a while for a reason, me as one of them. I am glad to see the rumor mill is for T-Mobile CEO to take the lead job, but I see great potential for my wonderful T-Mobile to be harmed mightily. Lets hope for the best
StevieJ

steviejake said:
If you don't see a downside to this, you have never been on Sprint (lucky you). The absolute worst network has been hemorrhaging customers for quite a while for a reason, me as one of them. I am glad to see the rumor mill is for T-Mobile CEO to take the lead job, but I see great potential for my wonderful T-Mobile to be harmed mightily. Lets hope for the best
StevieJ
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Speak for yourself. T-Mobile has 2G coverage in my town. Sprint(which I'm on) has 3G, and in the city next to me, Sprint has blanketed LTE, while T-Mobile has spotty HSPA and barely any LTE. In the sticks, Sprint is almost always better than T-Mobile, hell AT&T has more deadspots around my area than Sprint...

I'll be ok with the merger, as long as its like T-mobile taking sprint over, and not the other way around. Get rid of all sprint higher ups, and keep t-mobiles, because obviously the current t-mobile is much more capable then sprint has ever been since the sprint/nextel merger.
And i better get to keep my $30 100 min, unlim text 5gig data plan.

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As long as they keep unlimited data and the UP phone upgrade program, I'm all for it.
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misfit0313 said:
Hope they merge to a all GSM network, instead of a hodgepodge of all the different tech used by Sprint and T-Mo.
Wouldn't the logical and smart name for the company be SprinT-Mobile?
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The most likely course of action is that the networks will remain as is and the combined company will transition to all LTE and eventually shut off the CDMA/GSM/UMTS networks completely.
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Considering they will most likely have 800, PCS, AWS and the spark band; they could take one of those bands and use a third for voLTE.
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Koopa777 said:
Speak for yourself. T-Mobile has 2G coverage in my town. Sprint(which I'm on) has 3G, and in the city next to me, Sprint has blanketed LTE, while T-Mobile has spotty HSPA and barely any LTE. In the sticks, Sprint is almost always better than T-Mobile, hell AT&T has more deadspots around my area than Sprint...
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Where I'm located (Houston Tx) T-Mobile sucks. I work w/ some guys who have great flagship devices and they have Tmo and are always getting dropped calls and data is spotty as all get out.
I'm in Biloxi Mississippi now and I have LTE about 70% of the time on Sprint. I have it 90% of the time in Houston and have for a while now. They have come a looooooooooong way. Guess it just depends on where you are located.
I hope the deal goes through. [emoji41]
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If this is seriously the final verdict of the merger...I have to say I'm terrified and excited all at the same time. Sprint is right next to Verizon with me..and I hate both of them, no opinion of AT&T though.
But I'm excited because as long as Legere is still CEO I don't think us original T-Mobile clients have to worry too much (been with T-Mobile since 1999)..and hopefully we end up on a grandfathered plan so we don't lose features or have an insane price hike... Because the most important thing to me on my plan is unlimited data.
Edit : this makes sense now and it goes along with Uncarrier 5.0... Legere wanted to increase revenue...so he got did away with 15% discounts with programs like Triple A (AAA) and made it so only government and military workers are the only ones capable of getting a discount)
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